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[00:01:47] You know what I'm saying? Oh, and he's gonna set me up. Yes. So SGA. Hey, Jokic. Of course they play this weekend. They play twice on Sunday and Monday. So Mr. Logical, what I want to do is talk about who should be the MVP? Or do you want to throw somebody else in there? I doubt it, but do you want to throw somebody else in there?

[00:02:16] Realistically, the MVP award is a narrative based award. And I think one of the major ones is you become a good player and you're mentioned in the conversation amongst the top 10, top 12 players for a year.

[00:02:37] And then you go from being mentioned top 12 to being in the MVP conversation. Meanwhile, a guy that was already top 12 a couple years before. Now they're front runners. So SGA has been mentioned in that top 12. And then last year he was in a conversation, but you had guys like Giannis, Luca, and then ultimately Joker were already kind of like in their own MVP stratosphere.

[00:03:03] I think now he's jumped into that race. I think he's leading that race. And ultimately everybody else has gone on this path. This is how they got their MVP for the most part. We remember Derrick Rose had like the 60, I think it was like 62 and 20 with the Bulls. And it was like such an outstanding season. He got it.

[00:03:23] But ever since about since around Giannis got his first one, it's been one of those. All right. You come on strong the year before you have an MVP like season a year after that. And then by the third year, you win it, especially if your team success increases and having a 10 and a half, 10 and a half game lead in the West really puts a feather in his cap for SGA to be the MVP.

[00:03:51] You know, what's crazy to me is that if Joel Embiid didn't get on TV and just whine for weeks, Jokic would have four MVPs in a row. But if he was in that same, that same mix, it was the whole, he came up, like he finally got some, put some good seasons together.

[00:04:14] And then he was in the conversation, Joker won it. And then the following year he was like, well, I've kind of surpassed. Cause I think Giannis won. Cause what was it? Giannis won the finals in 2021. And then Joker won MVP 2022. And then they won the title in 2023.

[00:04:44] Yeah. And then MB. But MB won the MVP because Joker had gone out short of the finals in 22. That's when the, that's when. Yeah. That's when the Warriors and Celtics played. So when, so like MB basically followed that same thing is like the guy won MVP twice in a couple of years, but didn't win the championship the same year he won MVP. So now it's time to elevate a new guy who's been on the cusp. Yeah. Cause that's the funny part.

[00:05:14] He was on the outside of the top three guys. And then the year, but he didn't win it. So Joker didn't win the championship. So now he feels like, okay, cool. Now it's my turn. And then he goes on the second round and he probably don't be mentioned in the MVP competition. Unfortunately, cause his health is failing him. Yeah. And that was the funny part about it because at the time that Jokic was winning MVPs, all the talk was he was the only MVP that had never played in the finals. So then he did that.

[00:05:42] And now it's just sad because now Joel Embiid is the only player that won MVP that hasn't played in the finals. But in the Eastern conference finals. So this is, this is what I don't like about MVP outside of, like you said, it being a narrative based award. I hate the fact that you give somebody a MVP. Correct. They do even better. And then they can't win the MVP. So like, for example, last year, I thought SGA should have been MVP last year. Correct.

[00:06:12] You know, over, over Jokic, but it's hard, right? Because you look at this, you know what I mean? He's a center averaging a triple double. He's shooting 44% from three. He's shooting 58 from the floor. And I'm not trying to turn this into a numbers award, but I'm just looking at this like, how could he not be valuable? Or like, you know, how could he not be the most valuable? Because we've seen the numbers where they're first in offensive efficiency when he's on the floor.

[00:06:42] They're last in the league when he's off the floor. Yeah. You know, but SGA also- I don't think it's for slight time, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But also, SGA brings defense. You know, and that's little known, I guess, to some degree, because people see 33 points a game. But they average the same amount of steals per game, so that's the crazy part. And one more. Jokic's only averaging .6 of a block is hilarious to me. Yeah.

[00:07:08] You know, but you know, but OKC has the defense. You know, it's not just SGA, but they got J-Dub. You know, they got Chet blocking shots. You know, so collectively, Oklahoma City is just a great team. Or let me not say great team. I don't want to be hyperbolic. They're a great- They're having a better season. They're having a better season than Denver. Yeah, they're a great collection of talent. You think that would give the nod to Jokic?

[00:07:37] I think that it could, but the problem is, you brought it up. The problem is Oklahoma City's lead. You know, if Oklahoma City was only up by like three games, then you could say, oh no, Jokic is right there on his heels. Like, it's going to go neck and neck. But literally, like, they're 11 games up. So what do you want me to do with that? Because I'm not normally Mr. Hey, whoever leads the- Best player on the best team. I don't roll like that.

[00:08:06] But when the lead is that insurmountable, and that was like last year, right? Because when we did our mid-season thing, mid-season last year, I had Jason Tatum as the MVP. Correct. You know, even though people think that I hate Jason Tatum. But I had Jason Tatum as the MVP. So it was just one of those things. But now, like, this is SGA's time. It's his year to win the MVP. Even though- And that's it. What up, Presidente? What's going on, sir? Welcome to the pod. Check out the Pursuit of Forever. You know what I'm saying?

[00:08:36] Every other Wednesday. You know what I'm saying? A relationship podcast where people actually are in quality relationships and give quality advice. Yo, and just real quick- Have people to be screaming in their phones and cars. And just real quick, love you girls, man. But, you know, but look. So, like, when I look at it, I'm not that guy that says the best guy on the best team should win the award. But when SGA, he's leading the league in scoring, they have an 11-game point lead. You know, he's at worst the second best defender on their team.

[00:09:07] You know, and he should have- I mean, not that it should matter, but he should have won MVP last year. So, I think that- That's the thing. That's the narrative part. It's like an audition. It's like you audition for the part, and the director- Like, you audition for Ridley Scott. Like, you audition for Gladiator. And he's like, Yo, I think you can do this, but Russell Crowe's been doing his thing. My next movie, though, I got you in mind. So, you might have some other success in between,

[00:09:37] and then you audition again, and now it's like, okay. You almost had this Gladiator spot when you auditioned. Now I'm definitely giving you the role. Same thing with, like, Denzel Washington with the Oscar. You probably should have got it for multiple movies, but it was like, you know what? We passed you over, so training day, you played the best 30 copies. You know what I'm saying? Holly Berry, you bust that thing open, here's your award. Here's your award. And I think a lot of awards work that way

[00:10:06] because it just depends on what you value. Are people busting it open for the awards? I mean, listen, stranger things have happened to the internet. Okay. So, for SGA, it's very young team, probably like the youngest team in the NBA, at least they're definitely the youngest, most successful team. Orlando might be young. Washington might be young. Charlotte might be young, but they're terrible. But amongst, like, the top eight teams in the league, I imagine they are the youngest.

[00:10:35] Oklahoma City is the youngest team. Yeah. So, like I said, they might be the youngest in the league, but they're definitely the youngest contender, contending team. So, I think that's the piece. I don't think it's voter fatigue for Jokic, but it's kind of along the lines of a lot of the greats in the league that have won multiple MVPs or championships. Jordan, you know, Jordan talking about, I took that personal. Every year Jordan won the MVP, like,

[00:11:04] the following season, the year he won the MVP, if he didn't win the MVP the following season, his numbers were better, like, once every time. Somebody else got it, like, Charles Barkley, not got it, but, like, someone else won the award. Right. Even though Jordan had MVP, more likely a championship as well, and the following year, his numbers were better, it's just like, you can't keep giving it to Jordan every year. We felt the same way a couple of years with Kobe. It was like,

[00:11:33] the Lakers team success wasn't that great, but it was like, this guy is literally taking a collective of just basketball players, not studs, not stars, but, like, for a while, like, the one year he averaged, like, 34.1 points, dunked on Steve Nash, Steve Nash got the MVP, so it was like, and then Kobe ended up getting one. Well, that's the best part. And then that stretch for LeBron, that eight-year stretch for LeBron, the Miami LeBron, because, like, the first Cleveland LeBron had a couple of MVP seasons there.

[00:12:03] I think he got two, and then he had the run, the eight-year run, going to East Conference Finals, and then the NBA Finals. I think he only got two out of that eight-year run. So, it's a matter of, you don't, I don't want to say you don't want to just kind of just keep giving award to the best guy in the league, because certain guys are going to be there. Jokic is going to be 28, 10, and 10, even though it seems crazy. It's just the way he plays.

[00:12:31] He plays officially that way. He's going to get those numbers. Just the same way LeBron is going to be, 26, 27, 7, and 7. Luke is going to get you 38, and 8. certain players are going to get you that. You have to look at other things, like, youngest team in the league, the lead that you have in the West, the amount of talent that's in the West, the amount of quality, top, like, your top four teams in the West are, you got OKC, Lakers, Nuggets, Grizzlies, Rockets, right now,

[00:13:01] are 38 wins. So, one through five all have 38 wins. The East, one, two, and three have more than 38 wins. So, it's like that. So, you're just looking at the competition. There's not that many bottom feeders out of West, there's more of them in the East. So, with all that, it's like, hey, you guys have this lead. You are the leader of the team. And, like I said, it's not his time. I think he's, going into the state, this season,

[00:13:30] they knew it was his moment, and he took it and ran with it. Well, the best part is, like I said, they play twice, you know, this weekend, Sunday, Monday. So, if it ain't cleared up yet, it might be cleared up after that. You know, they both shared. even if Jokic wins both of those games, they're still going to have a nine-game lead on them. Well, I think, but I think it depends on how it looks, though. You know what I mean? Well, you know, SGA's going to do his thing. He's not going to go out there and drop 17 points on four. No, but, but you know,

[00:13:58] but it's one of those things where people live in the moment. It's the same reason why, when we have conversations with people, you don't talk about a certain player, then they have a bad game. And it's like, yo, he sucks. Like, you know, like whatever. And then, you know, the other player has a good game. He's a star, like off of one result. So, so if Jokic comes out. If it's close, like the MB. But like that's what the B didn't go to Denver. So people felt like, but he had already put like the 50 on Jokic. I think people were like 44.

[00:14:27] And I believe people felt like Jokic couldn't sustain that level of play. But now we're seeing like, Oh, you're going to have a, a Jordan, a Lajuan, prime Shaq, LeBron kind of run where we're just going to put you on the court and say, and say, you know what I'm talking about? This guy's going to get you 29, 10 and 10. Like we know that. My bad. You know, better cups, you know what I'm saying? KD last in their last game, they're playing the nuggets right now, of course.

[00:14:57] So that's probably what you're talking about. I'm not watching, but their last game, they came back from 22 down on the Clippers. You know what I mean? I don't think he was talking about, he's Katie was talking about the fans. He was like, yo, don't boo us. Like, he's like, it'll affect us more if you just walk home. Yeah. No, he said, if you just walked out and left me, like if you left, we would, we would feel certain. We would feel differently about it. Yeah. I'm going to pull it up right now. So how about speaking of cups, you know what I'm saying? Like, make sure y'all checking out cups in the gang, you know,

[00:15:27] Sunday, Monday, Thursday, Fridays, you know what I'm saying? They're down nine in the first half with 40 to 31. But also like, since cups is here, how about Peyton Pritchard and Derek White the other night? 84 points. The first Celtics in history, to both have 40 points in the same game. Think about that franchise, right? Bird and McHale or Parrish, if you want, you know, you had, you know, Paul Pierce and Antoine Walker,

[00:15:56] Paul Pierce and KG, and they added Ray Allen, you know, and it's never been done before, you know, two teammates hitting nine plus threes in the same game. Never happened. Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? And I think, and I think it was Colin Cowherd that was talking about, you know, are the Celtics better without Jason Tatum? Cause there's something like 18 and five or, I don't remember the exact number, but you know, stuff like that. Cause like, he does. He says stuff like,

[00:16:23] he also didn't like the backwards hat on quarterbacks until Shador did it. Now he's all cool with it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But, this guy's trolling on our show. It's how you do us. I like it though. Yo, honestly that I think that's the beauty of Boston. I know Charles Barkley said that Cleveland is going to the Eastern conference finals. He said he's stamping it right now, you know, early March. I'm with him. I think that's the piece that that's the part that Boston has on other teams.

[00:16:53] And we talked about winning the NBA finals in a fashion that they won last year, like losing it in 2022. And then having the, the near comeback in 2023 and then winning it all in 2024 against, you know, an all NBA caliber Luca granny, he was hobbled and they were attacking them, but to win it in five games with the hustle and all these guys. My favorite player didn't show up either. It's starting to be a lot of guys. Kyrie's missed a lot of open looks,

[00:17:22] but I think they were just kind of out of rhythm. Boston's defense probably does that and Boston's offense, because the Tom Brady would talk about my favorite receiver is the open one. I believe Boston truly believes like, yo, how's there? Listen, we don't care if you do anything else, play the best defense you can against whatever their wing, whoever their wing player is. But on that catch and shoot, you don't hesitate. You getting, you get 10 shots. They all from behind the arc. They're going to be two in the first,

[00:17:53] three in the third and three in the fourth. We're getting you 10 threes. You put them up, try to hit five out of 10 if you can, but we'll take four out of 10. Right. Just stretch the floor. And I think Boston can do that more. I like Cleveland's bench. I like what they, what they're doing, but we talk about this all the time. They're playing different teams every night for all these 82 games. It's rare. You get a back to back. So you can play Washington and then beat Detroit. And then you go on a little Western round where you're playing Memphis, New Orleans,

[00:18:24] Houston, Dallas, San Antonio Pistons after all this time. No, no, no, no. I'm just saying like you're playing different teams. So if somebody gets to read, late in the third or late in the fourth or middle of the fourth, it's like, okay, they can't lock that in and then see Donovan Mitchell again tomorrow night or in two nights and apply it where. Right. And Boston, if somebody has a tendency, like one of these guys that comes off the bench has a tendency to get grabby. Well, at home, you're probably Jason.

[00:18:53] You're probably going to get that call. So when you switch this guy onto you, he gets a little hands. Well, take him to the cup. Now you getting easy free throws, you know? So like little things like that can happen in a seven game. So when you're playing about seven games and 11 or so days. Yeah. So what I do like, so what I do like, in addition to the one Mike podcast, you know what I mean? Mondays and Thursdays, noon Eastern. What I like in addition to that is the pickup of Deandre Hunter, because that was the thing that Boston had,

[00:19:23] right? They had Tatum and Brown that could just gang up on you on the defensive end. But Cleveland went and got Deandre Hunter. You know, you don't necessarily probably want him on the floor with Isaac Okoro for long periods of time, but during the course of a game, if you could find minutes, that's a good, that's a deadly defensive combination. You know, just don't let Okoro shoot the damn ball. Like, you know what I'm saying? don't shoot the damn ball. The one versus two matchup. I just believe Boston,

[00:19:52] because they have three, at this point, three years. So what's pretty much the same supporting cast. They know. I think it's just, it's more instinctive. Hence why. But do you think white and Peyton Pritchard put up 84 points? Do you think that the fact that the game seven wouldn't be in Boston kind of leaves it up in the air a little bit? Well, like you said, I don't think there's not because Cleveland is intimidating, but it's just not Boston. Yeah, it's not Boston. But like I said,

[00:20:22] I think Boston's matchup, there's not a guy on Boston's in Boston's rotation that you can leave open. Cause Cornette's not going to be anywhere near the three point line. He's at the rim, two hands up trying to block shots. So you can't leave him open at the rim. Cause he's seven feet tall. He's going to get, he's going to get a put back. Um, How's he's going to shoot it. Pritchard's going to shoot. He can handle the ball.

[00:20:51] He has a bit of a green light when he's running that second unit. Um, obviously Tatum and Brown are two dynamic. I'm going to ask you a serious question. And I don't want you to laugh. Does Donovan Mitchell have another gear he can get to? I think, I think Donovan Mitchell plays great in the playoffs. I think he's a matchup nightmare. I think he's a little shorter than some of these bigger wing guys, but he's strong. You know, you can see like,

[00:21:20] you can see he puts a lot of work in the, in the weight room and he's explosive. And I don't think he, like, I don't think you need another gear. Like, I don't, I don't think there's like another level you need to get to when you have. Okay. Well, do you think Darius Garland has another gear? It's just a matter of, do you have, are you consistent enough to, are you consistent enough in the post season to recognize the adjustments

[00:21:48] that inevitably need to be made on your end? Good, bad or indifferent, you know, no matter what the result of the game is game one. If you lose game one at home, one 10, one Oh three. Can you come back game to not think about game one and make the adjustments you need on whomever? Or that's that. I think, I think Boston, because they've been, I think a game, I think a game one loss for Boston and Cleveland, they'll go back to the locker room. Like, Hey,

[00:22:18] they're home. This is their first, like this is their, the highest level of success they've had in a long time. So we're going to have to battle back. We've been in this position. We're going to win this game and we're going to take both at home. And we're going to win game two. We'll, we'll hold home court. We'll come back here up three, three, Yeah. So I think that's the real conversation that they can have in Boston. Cause everybody, everybody's shot a pressure shot. Everyone's played. They played a tough, they played a tough NBA finals. The thing that scares me about Cleveland.

[00:22:48] And I mean, like negatively is the fact that they went to seven with that Orlando magic team last year. I know that Orlando magic team last year had a great defense, probably top two or three in the league, but that great, but that Orlando magic team could not shoot the damn ball, which is the object of the game. And you still went to seven with them. So that scares me that you're, you're a year removed from that new head coach. So maybe like, you know, there's something in the, you know, you know, new voice.

[00:23:19] Like, so maybe there's something there, but that's just something in the back of my mind, but you know, Hey, Jalen Brunson is out for the next two weeks, you know, ankle injury late in the game against the Lakers last night. So it's about kitty cat, but I want to stop there. Let's talk about kitty cat for a second. Draymond green. You are a podcaster. Now I need you to fact check. And I know you was just trying to be funny. I know you was trying to talk shit about how cat was trying to duck Jimmy,

[00:23:47] but like the man was at a funeral. Like, Draymond acts like a guy who has it, bro. Like Draymond's played in what? Seven NBA finals. Six or seven. Six. Cause they lost the Toronto and Cleveland. Toronto and Cleveland. So he's played in six NBA finals. Is a catalyst on a, on four different championship teams.

[00:24:18] And then he comes out here and he's like, why are you concerned about cat duck and Jimmy? Like it's, it's irrelevant. Like it doesn't, it's not like cats on your team and you needed him to be there to beat Jimmy Butler on the other team. Jimmy's on your team. So if he's ducking, it is what it is. It's not like you guys are in the same conference. It's not like, Hey, I'm planting the seed. So when we meet again, and exactly fake bully, when we meet again in the playoffs,

[00:24:47] he guys edge up. If you was talking about like Malik Monk or somebody out West or, you know, SGA. You gotta bring up a Kentucky dude, two Kentucky dudes for no reason. I'm saying, listen, Kentucky got a lot of talented NBA. I can say AD. I wouldn't even think about. Three Kentucky. Come on, man. We talk, we talk about cat. We talk about the topic is about cat. So he's a Kentucky guy too. So no, we don't claim him. We don't claim him for blowing that undefeated season. Yeah.

[00:25:17] So it's, it's just a matter of like, I don't, I don't understand the whole. I just don't, I don't understand. You know what the crazy part is in the media, already in the line, like acting like I got to do other shit to stay in line. Like, yo, your name is Draymond green. I don't think there's another Draymond on earth. So for him to act like, Oh, I got to make sure I see something that stands out. I know a Draymond. There's a Draymond on Facebook that I follow Draymond Peterson, I believe. But Hey, um,

[00:25:43] the funny part about it is the last time that Kitty and Jimmy Butler shared a court, Kitty outscored him 44 to 15. So I don't think he ducked nothing for one. That was what? Six, seven years ago. Now. I don't even know. That was two teams ago for Jimmy. That was like three teams ago. Like, you don't say. And, and, and that's the thing about it is that like, you know,

[00:26:11] I'm sure I hope, I hope that Kitty sees Jimmy Butler and just goes, I'm going beast mode tonight. That's what I would like to think. Who drinking wine? Who got the wine? It was that you drinking wine. You celebrating Gino Smith. We'll get to him later. But, uh, but you know, but yeah. So when I look at the Knicks, they have a three and a half game lead on Milwaukee right now, you know,

[00:26:37] and I don't know if Milwaukee is good enough to challenge them while Jalen Brunson is out. So, you know, but we'll see. They got Mitchell Robinson back, you know, but the question, the last question I wanted to ask you before we move on is, so you were talking about the West standings. Yeah. And, um, Memphis is number four. Houston's number five. Is it critical for Houston to have home court advantage in the playoffs?

[00:27:07] In that series, I should say. Against Memphis. Yeah. Whoever finishes four, like if they finish in the four, five, does Houston need to finish four? If somehow Denver ends up four, then they better claw and try to get Denver to fall to five. Just because you want the Houston sea level oxygen versus that 52 80. You get in Denver. Like I said, people, if you'd never been to this mountain,

[00:27:35] this area out West is a glorious place. Wyoming, gorgeous. Uh, new friends that would live in Montana. Love the Utah, like living in the picture, Colorado, same way. But me and Mike went to NCOA from Hill, which is 4,972 feet. And we went to Peterson, which is like 6,100 feet elevation, you know, above sea level. You don't think it's that much. You, I went, I played basketball. I felt it. You know, like your mouth get dry.

[00:28:04] You ever had your eyes drown inside? I thought my nose was bleeding for like four days. Oh my God. It was obnoxious. One day I was late for class. Cause I was like, I couldn't breathe. Cause like the, I'm granted I was golfing. I was shanking the ball into the dust in the August, but it's, it's a slight difference. I know these guys are elite athletes, but there's, I don't think there's any other place in the NBA. It's even close. I think Phoenix is way lower. I don't think anywhere in California sea level, obviously New York, new Orleans.

[00:28:34] I think every other place on New Orleans is below. Yeah. I think every other place, like Denver is like the Utah, Denver and Utah are the only two. Wyoming. I think Wyoming is actually higher than. I'm talking about as far as NBA player, like as an NBA game, like you're only going to get, maybe you get what? Four to eight games in that region a year. So if you're Houston, I want it. You know, I want the games against Denver in Houston. I think Houston might be,

[00:29:04] finding something. Cause remember last time we spoke about Houston, I brought up how Jabari Smith was going to be coming back from injury and they got to figure out, do you put them on the bench and bring them off? Or do you put them back in the starting lineup and disrupt everything? Well, that lately they've been playing Shea Goon along with Steven Adams. Like who knew he was still around, you know, but they've been playing together and, you know, they've been having some good minutes on the floor together. So that could be a new wrinkle for the playoffs. So just not,

[00:29:33] not a lot of teams have size, but you don't want to get in a Rudy, Rudy Gobert situation where now you're trying to, they're trying to pick on Steven Adams and have them guard. Gobert, oh shit. You know what I'm saying? I'm still, I'm still mad at Minnesota for switching Gobert on a Lucas. Like you should have just filed them. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. You know, and, but of course that ain't the biggest story around the association these days.

[00:30:01] The biggest story is y'all need to watch your motherfucking mouth. Keep my son name out your fucking mouth. And then of course, my favorite part of the whole situation was Steven A today, you know, on first take, you know, I saw the clip talking about, see, if I was in a room alone with LeBron James, I would have said to him, I wasn't talking about your son. I was talking about you.

[00:30:29] They use the B roll clip of like Bronny missing a bunch of layers. They was talking about that. By the way. So I'm a, I have a Kevin love tweet here that I, I think like kind of persona, like, he's kind of, now kind of like locks in what, like I was thinking when I saw it. And then when you sent me the, the Twitter clip of Steven, a addressing whatever happened.

[00:30:59] So Steven, they put out a tweet that said, I didn't want to address this. I wouldn't have either. Had it not gone viral. Now I have no choice at first take at 10 AM Eastern. Then Stephen A Smith shows up. Kevin love replied that that was like, you have no choice. LOL. You didn't want, you didn't want to have to LOL because it went viral. LOL. You wouldn't have to LOL. And what, what I'm saying is like,

[00:31:29] you had a 10 second interaction with someone and saying, listen, keep my son name out your mouth, whatever the case may be, whatever that interaction was. You didn't need a 10 minutes soliloquy to talk about it. You didn't have to go on TV and talk about it. You're Stephen A Smith. You are the sports media voice space icon of our current, just current space that we all operate in.

[00:31:52] You are the pinnacle of this short of Tom Brady getting 37 million from Fox. You're up there. I think Charles Barkley gets 21. He's in Stephen A Smith gets like 20, but I think his reach is further considering that all he's ever done has been a journalist. Those are the two guys were hall of fame athletes at their sport. They're very popular in this country. You were a journalist and you got to this point where. Throw your paper towels up. Yeah.

[00:32:20] So I just feel like he talks about, Oh, you know, this person should get more coverage. This team should get more coverage. This person's like, yo, you are the coverage you drive that. So instead of you talking about, you think Bronny shouldn't be in the league and how LeBron is dragging him to the situation that's embarrassing. And then it was like, talk about Caitlin Clark. Talk about Angel Reese. Talk about the Cleveland Cavaliers. Talk about anything else.

[00:32:50] You know, Angel Reese threatening a lockout.

[00:33:22] Yeah. And it's just not really rocking me. Shout out to Jack on that one, but it's just, you didn't have to address it. He wanted to address it because he needed to, because we've seen him multiple times. Talk about guys who got traded away from teams because he doesn't do his own research. He just, he's just a talking head and he's good at it, but you can have other things going on. You could talk about anything you want because you're on the biggest platform for it.

[00:33:51] So I just think he's kind of, I'm a, I'm a slightly disagree with that. You know what I mean? You know, damn well in the world that we live in, if Stephen a did not say anything about that, people would have been on his neck. People would have been like, you talk about everything else. You always yelling. You always blow V8ing to use his word against him. Yeah. You know, like, like you're doing all these things. Had Stephen a not said anything, it would have like, like the story wouldn't have went away. So, so,

[00:34:21] so like I do, I do believe. Is it a story that required him to send a tweet out about it? Are people not going to watch it? The people who watch first take, did they need to tweet the night before? He had to get the people that don't watch first take. We, we, I still didn't watch it because no one's going to watch first take. He, for some reason, and I think a lot of people believe this because there's, I tell,

[00:34:50] I say this at work all the time. Cause I work with a bunch of retired, like I'm a retired guy. I work, you know, a few retired people in the building and then you got the activity people. I'm like, all of you need a person in the building that can just say, Hey man, that's bullshit. When you guys are having these meetings. Cause none of you have like the gumption to say it. I'm telling you like, Steven, we, this shit didn't need a tweet. You didn't need to tweet it out. You, you, you're not going to get new fans to your show because you're talking about LeBron. Again,

[00:35:19] all you talk about is LeBron. So anyone, if you had 1 million people, but that's the thing. What was he going to say? What was he really going to say? Like, I'm maybe I'm just speaking cause I'm an old man. I'm like, what is he going to say? I'm a fight LeBron. So, so like the one thing that I got to call Steven a out on, you know what I mean? Is he did the whole, like, you know, uh, rich Paul got my number and, you know, Maverick Carter got my number. But the last time somebody, one of those called him,

[00:35:49] he went on TV and called them soft because they called him for criticizing LeBron. So they ain't going to call you again. Now this is my thing, right? So I'm gonna look at this in two ways, two different views. First view is if I think you said something out of line about my child or me as a parent, you don't get to tell me how to react. You know what I mean? Like, like I'm a roll up on you wherever I see you, you know what I mean?

[00:36:18] And not to fight you per se, but I'm a roll up on you. And you don't, I mean, now, granted, maybe they saw each other all-star night. I don't know, but you don't say, but I'm a roll up on you. All right. Now, second of all, when I went back to the original and I don't watch first take, so audience, fill me in if I'm missing something. But when, when, when, when I saw a clip of Stephen, a, this was from January where he was talking about, yo, LeBron do something, man. Like, you know what I'm saying? Don't do this to Bronny X, Y, Z.

[00:36:48] Stephen, a, for, I don't know, 90% of the conversation was talking about, Hey, I'm rooting for Bronny. You know, I just don't think he's ready yet. You know, he needs to be in the G league. He's averaging 0.3 points when he plays for the Lakers. Okay. That's not out of bounds. But the part was when you said as his father, you need to, because now you're implying that he's setting his son up for failure,

[00:37:15] but that's where the plot thickens because he did set his son up for failure. We talked about this where he was talking about, Oh, Bronny's better than half of the stuff that I see on the ticket right now. Oh, Bronny could play for the Lakers right now. So when you say those things, you are bringing unwarranted stuff to your son, which you probably want to do. Cause you're an attention hole yourself. Okay. I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll give you that, but let's keep it a bean.

[00:37:47] The season started. Is it five months ago? Is my math right? So the Bronny conversation. Yes. Isn't fresh. It's not new. So LeBron is like, dog, we get it. I see his struggles. We see his struggles, but the only way to see if he's overcoming these struggles is to put them in situations where he can overcome these struggles.

[00:38:15] So if he's not overcome the struggles, cool, we can deal with that as an organization. I don't need you. The journalist to tell me one of the greatest players of the sport that's ever been how to handle my son, who I've raised his whole life. You don't need to keep using me for clickbait. So I'm going to approach you all six, nine to 50 plus of me. I'm like, listen, cut this shit out.

[00:38:43] Cause we talked about the clip of the face of the NBA thing that he's talking about. LeBron's 40. I'm going to tell y'all when y'all hit 40, he's a man. No, not the bike gun. But it's like, you get to a point where it's like, you know what? I don't want to hear this no more. I'm addressing it. I'm addressing it publicly. Like I told you, I had an interaction with one of my, like one of my son's coaches a couple of times over like the last few years since I hit 40. And I'm not, I pulled up, I walked up on the coach. Like, listen, man,

[00:39:12] whatever you got to say to my son, just say it to him like a man. Don't do this passive aggressive shit. He knows what's going on. I hear if you want him to do something, talk to him like a man. I talk to him like a man. I don't talk to him like a 13. year old or a 12 year old or a 14 year old, whatever the age is. Talk to him like a man. Don't give him this passive aggressive shit. Cause he's going to dismiss you. And he can be mad. Cause he's dismissing you. Cause you're not talking to him the way he deserves to be spoken to. So you do that. He'll do everything you need to do in between these lines.

[00:39:39] But I had to come postured up, little sweaty, little angry, but the, the, the, just the constant use of LeBron. Like you said, the face elite, you're constantly using. Using this, this BS narrative that, Oh, because you're the face of the league, nothing's off limits. And I could talk about you all the time. He's like, yo, if you think about LeBron situation right now, as a team, he has a, a rookie coach that everyone said was going to, is going to be shit.

[00:40:09] And because he doesn't suck. How many segments been about JJ Reddick? I don't know. I don't watch. Exactly. We haven't seen much. We haven't seen any tweets from fucking Stephen Smith about JJ Reddick because he's been successful. We don't have a lot of conversations about Oklahoma city because they're successful. These TV shows only want to talk about drama. I'm like, listen, dog, ABC has the view. You want to do drama. You do the view. I want to talk about sports.

[00:40:39] I don't want to talk about you constantly banging on this guy's son. Pause. Pause. Just to get clicks. Cause that's all it is. That's the whole confusing thing. Just bringing it up. Just continues. Like we understand what the situation is, but it's like, you can talk about. And their eight game lead in the East, but they talk about, you know, you got to watch out for Ronnie. Like you're making a lot of assumptions. You're making a lot of assumptions for somebody that doesn't watch because,

[00:41:08] because who's to say that when Stephen, a says, says whatever he says, he said it himself. He said the same thing. When we don't talk about these other teams, y'all don't check in. No, I ain't talking about that part. I'm not talking about that part. I'm talking about whenever he has brought up Bronny, I'm talking about Bronny right now, whenever he's brought up, Oh, I'm sorry. I fucked up already. When he's brought up LeBron James Jr. You know what I'm saying? I told you, I call him Bronny when he started acting like a man. You know what I'm saying?

[00:41:38] So LeBron James Jr. When LeBron James Jr. Plays in the NBA. Cause he's played a few games. How do we know? Cause we don't watch. How do we know that when he's making these comments or talking about LeBron James Jr. It's not because LeBron James Jr. Just played a game. You know what I mean? So, so, so if, so if, if, if Bronny has LeBron James Jr. Has been in the G league since whatever February,

[00:42:05] and then it's April and Steven ages randomly brings up man, Bronny, like whatever, he can't help the Lakers. Then it's like, yo, why do you even bring that up? But if Bronny comes up and goes over seven and he's like, yo, Bronny's not ready. Then LeBron need to chill. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's it's that's the thing. Bronny hasn't played in enough games to where this should be a topic of conversation. Every single time he comes up, we already recognize he is struggling in the NBA. I'm simply saying Steven,

[00:42:35] a Smith and Colin cowherd and all these guys who are getting all this money to talk about sports. They say it all the time. I talk about the Lakers. Cause you guys don't tune in when I talk about anybody else. And that's it. It has nothing to do. Bronny, Bronny dropped by 30 something in the G league. You think that was a segment on first take? No, cause it was probably not. Cause it's the G league. How many games do you think junior has played for the Lakers? If I had to guess, I think he probably played like 15.

[00:43:04] He played 18 games. Okay. Yeah. He's not doing great. I'm not fronting. I'm not acting like he's out of here. I'm not talking about that. I'm not talking about that. I'm just, I'm just saying for Steven to talk about him. If, if LeBron wasn't in the league. And if for some reason, Jerry Jones had to move the Cowboys to St. Louis and sell the team, they'd have nothing to talk about. And that's my problem is the fact that you had an interaction with a grown man on the sideline telling you, yo,

[00:43:35] keep my son's name out of your mouth. And then the next day you go on TV and talk about how the man told you to keep this information out of your mouth. you remember. What the fuck else are you? Like, do you not, are you dumb? Like, are you dumb? Like, that's my problem. It's like, why do you, is you stupid or is you dumb? Is you stupid or is you dumb? And that's my problem. It's like, yo, talk about something else. You could, he could have literally said this. It could have been, it could have been a 60 second thing. Like, listen, me and LeBron have not always seen eye to eye. I respect him. I respect him as a player.

[00:44:05] I respect him as a father. I think he's one of the greatest players in the league. He had, you know, words for me and I understand that, but going forward, you know, I want to keep our relationship professional. Like I said, I have great respect for him and his family and everything they've done for the league and everything he's done for the league and everything. And the example that he has been for players, for men, for black men, whatever case may be. So respectfully, I'm going to keep it there from that. And, you know, like I said, me and LeBron, we obviously have a relationship. I have all the guys information.

[00:44:35] We'll talk about it later. But as far as like the show, you know, I want to keep, I want to respect his wishes. Granted. Yeah. People will keep talking about it, but then at least he can be like, Hey, people keep bringing it to me. And the conversation can come up. And then people come on the show and he can be like, Hey, you know, listen, like I said, blah, blah, blah, blah. But he didn't have to send out a tweet about it. That's my problem. I agree with that wholeheartedly, but you, you know, but that's the problem is that the fact that he is,

[00:45:05] you're clamoring for attention when you have the biggest platform on planet earth to talk about sports. On the things that you brought up though, I got it. I would be remissed if I didn't bring up, you know what I'm saying? And apparently, you know what I'm saying? Perk going bust Chuck's head. Listen, I get it. We tend to be. We'll be talking about that in a second, Mike. Okay. What if you don't believe that?

[00:45:36] Cause I, I'm going to tell you what I think happened, but, but, but go ahead, Raph. Um, I get it. I just went on the rampage about Stephen A. Smith. My problem is I just, Stephen A. Smith claims to be an old school guy. And I get that. He's, he's navigating this new market. It's a market you and I are trying to figure out. How do we get to the point where, because we've had conversations on this show.

[00:46:06] And then a couple of days later, we send each other tweets or videos or clips of people on TV saying exactly what we said on the show on a Tuesday night or a Monday night. But all shit is more John Blaze than that. Yeah. So like, I get it that everyone wants to be on his platforms, including us. Get them. Raph, get them, Raph, get them. Kobe was never saw, you know, Kobe, you know, Kobe went on TV and said that Carmel on cheese, Carmel on a Shaq cheat on their wife.

[00:46:36] Like he said that out loud. Like, let's not front. Let's keep it a beam. When we talk about beans, he didn't get on TV and say Carmel on a Shaq cheat on their wife. He told me. I despise everything about Carmel on without, every fiber in my body. But when that motherfucker said, I'm hunting little Mexican women, that shit was hilarious. But anyway, so, so this is, so this is what I, so this is what I think, Mike. Um, I think that LeBron James,

[00:47:05] you stop Raph. I think that LeBron James is the type of dude. He likes a little grease. He likes a little glaze. And, you know, saying, so when you go against the grain, when you go against the grain, he has it out for you. So what I think happened, no facts. What I think happened is Stephen, a was one of the people in the media that didn't really talk negatively about LeBron for a long time. Now, when it,

[00:47:34] when he did start talking to negative, I don't know if something happened or I don't know if like, well, just whatever, like Stephen, they started talking more negatively about LeBron. And then Stephen is like, Oh yeah, LeBron didn't talk to me. Like, you know, we just walk past each other, say what's up. We don't got nothing going on. Now Draymond and them ain't talking to him because of this whole situation or whatever. So I think, and I think that we're starting to see that. Cause remember with Kevin Love, right. They're not talking to LeBron. They're not talking to Stephen A. But, but, but see, but remember with, with Kevin Love,

[00:48:04] for example, LeBron did the whole, you know, why fit out when you could fit in and all this kind of stuff. Now Kevin loves. Hey, so did you have a choice? Did you have, like, I mean, like, I think, like I said, like he kissing that ass. Kevin loves. No, Kevin loves tweet. Align exactly what I was thinking. When I saw, when I saw, when you sent me the clip, it's like, you don't have to go on TV. People got LeBron shit on. That's not sports talk. Trying to get on his good side. The same way that I brought up Perk, right?

[00:48:34] Hold on. Wait, the same thing that I brought up about Perk. Perk was Mr. LeBron James. For everything people think that Skip Bayless does, Perk was the, the antithesis of what Skip Bayless was doing. Perk said one thing about Bronny one time. And then that shit went down South or whatever you want to call it. I think that is that man's son. Yes. People are allowed to talk about your son. As long as it's basketball.

[00:49:02] I ran up on fucking lacrosse coaches. Talking. If they were talking about basketball, I can talk about your son. Just like, just like I said earlier, right? Just like I said earlier, we talk, I joke around. I'd be like, yo, Julius Randall. Don't try to be my buddy. Don't try to be my buddy. It's not about being buddy. It's just saying what you're going to say. Okay. So time out, time out, time out, time out, time out. We talked. So before we came on, right? I was talking about Josh Allen. I'm a Josh Allen fan, right?

[00:49:29] There's going to be times that I say negative things about Josh Allen. There's going to be times that I say positive things about Josh Allen. That comes with the territory. We make, I make jokes about Julius Randall, even though they're not really jokes. Cause I think he sucks, but like, but I don't disrespect him on some like, yo, he's a bitch or like, I think any of this, I just say, you don't use his, his, his, his star power to get your buzz. You don't use his, his, his connections or resources, whatever the case may be.

[00:49:59] You don't use him to, to, to ascend to your position. And then if they switch up, that like, that's my, I think people just kind of get it. Like Ronnie. That he's going to say it. He's going to have his feelings about it. I under, I understand how he feels about like, like you talking about. Okay. Okay. So your son, so your son is out here, you know, in the NFL or something. And some reporter is like, Oh man, he got, man, I don't know, man.

[00:50:28] I don't think he's built for this. Like he just, you're going to be like, I'm going up to that station tomorrow. Listen, I, once again, I am not a person that says I would do this, but I try to understand in the framework of this man. I don't understand it. Well, if you think about, you think about, you think about all of the, the, the, the media coverage LeBron has had his whole basketball career. Yes. It has made him a lot of money. It has gotten him a lot of acclaim. It has put him, his son,

[00:50:57] his other son and his daughter and his wife in a great position. I get all of that, but it's not as if he can't be like, listen, dog, come on. Like we get it. Can you cut it out? Like it's, it's getting excessive that everyone's like, we see whatever level of success. Bronny's currently having. He went to the league. He tried, he's trying to make, he's the one that said, this dude is better than what I'm seeing on the NBA ticket. He's the one that said,

[00:51:26] you could be on the Lakers right now. That's the confident dad. LeVar. That's fine. That's fine. Okay. What do we do? Right. What do we do? Right. If I sit up here and say, yo, Oklahoma city is going to win the title, which I said back in July, you don't say if Oklahoma city doesn't win the title, people are going to be like two, five. What the fuck was you on? Two, five. What would you think? You think I'm supposed to be like, bitch, I'll punch you in your face. You know what I'm saying? You could. Like what the fuck? I won't. I can't do it. Like that.

[00:51:58] Like, like legit. Dick riders. Can we stop saying dick riders? We're grown men. Don't have no glizzy. LeBron saying glizzy. Can we open up the dictionary and have a, like I'm sick of people saying dick riders. If you don't like someone, you don't like them. I get it. But my problem is if you can, my problem is people are using these, using these celebrities for clout and acting as like, they're not supposed to have human feelings.

[00:52:26] I don't want you talking about my son. I don't care how bad he is at this sport. It is what it is. Yeah. I mean, I can say, listen, I made the mistake, but make sure you got drafted. Whatever the case may be. But it's like, don't be fucking putting B reels up, talking about him and everything else. I have the right as his father to be pissed off at you. Considering. we do. But you don't have the right to. How many times do you think Stephen A. Smith, how many times do you think Stephen A. Smith, how many times do you think Stephen A.

[00:52:54] Smith has been in LeBron Camp's ear, trying to get X, Y, and Z, you know, exposure and all these interviews, all this shit. And now he, now he's getting to the certain, he's getting to the certain plateau. Now it's like, oh yeah, man, you know, Brown, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, Yeah. But, but how many, how many reporters and podcasters do you think have said something negative about LeBron James Jr.? Probably a lot. Exactly. He ain't flipping out on every TV station. He flipping out on the, hold on.

[00:53:24] Wait, wait, wait. Let me say this one thing real quick. The same way that you're saying that Stephen A. is trying to use LeBron and Brownie for clout is the same reason that LeBron is going after him and not anybody else. He, he probably is like, listen, you don't need to. He's probably like, you don't need to. I got a camera. Let me go approach Stephen A. We have a regular retired Air Force guy podcast between you and I. father for podcasts.

[00:53:53] If we talk shit about Brownie, LeBron's not going to hit our Twitter. He's not going to hit our Facebook page saying whatever, but he's like, yo dog, you have the biggest platform. Why are you using your platform and your podcast to talk about my son? And yes, I'll admit it might be too sensitive, but when it comes to your kids, some shit, some rules go out the window. Some rules go out the window.

[00:54:23] At some point, Stephen A. did something that LeBron didn't like years ago or said something that, that he didn't like years ago. I think it's a lot. I think a lot of people, I think a lot of people, I think like the way Drake, like, like the way I feel about how people kind of jumped off of Drake's team is like, yo, you've been on my team for a long time to include LeBron. I'll include LeBron. Like you've been on my team. You've been my guy for a long time. And all of a sudden, like, it doesn't seem to go my way. Now everybody's jumping ship.

[00:54:52] But then every time you need a, every time you need a click, every time you, imagine you got a friend. Every time, every time they go, you got a friend with a gambling problem, right? So you got a friend with a gambling problem. You loan him $500. He loses it. You loan another 500. He loses it. You loan him a thousand. He gets up. Like he gets $80,000. And you don't hear from him until he gets back down to like $2,000. Hey, Mike, what's going on? May you always look out for me. He's like, no, where was you at when you had $2,000?

[00:55:22] That's a good thing. You're, you're finding out who's fake. Yeah. And I think he, I think he believes that Stephen A. Smith is less authentic than he presents on TV. And I think putting out a tweet like that, just kind of in lines. Like, look, look, look, like I said, if I'm pissed off, you can't, you can't tell me how to approach you. That's what I said originally. But you got it. But like, just like you and me, right? We always talk about how something that frustrates us is when we're talking to people.

[00:55:52] And they say something. They're saying that we said something that we didn't say, you know what I'm saying? So you're saying that, no, I did not say that. I don't think Stephen A said what LeBron thinks he said. So you got, so for one, before you flip the fuck out, especially when you've had what going off of what happened in January, you've had two months that Stephen A said, whatever he said, that pissed you off.

[00:56:20] You have heard that multiple times by now to where, yes, you were pissed off in the moment. You know what I'm saying? Yes. You were pissed off for a week. You were pissed off for two weeks. You know what I'm saying? But if it bothered you that bad, you probably went and listened to it again. And you ain't hear what you thought you heard. That dude said, I am, I am rooting for Bronny. I just don't think he's ready for the NBA yet. If that's enough to make you mad, turn the fucking TV off, turn the radio off, get off of Twitter and all that. If that, if that's,

[00:56:50] if that's all that was said, it is what it is. But if he's like, if he don't fuck with Stephen A Smith and this is just a catalyst, it's, it's like the Will Smith thing. Will Smith probably liked Chris Rock, but he was like that particular day. You know what? I'm, this is too much. I'm, I'm you. You, it might not even be fully about Stephen A. It might just be about the whole. Why ain't he mad when Skip was calling him the frozen one? Like I said, you can't address everything all the time. But I think now he's looking like, you know what?

[00:57:19] Skip was on his ass for 15 years, but skip, but skip sounded so ridiculous that no one, no one was like, Oh, you know what? Skip bears has a real valid. Yeah. And I got a ridiculous knuckle for you too. How about that? You know what I'm saying? So it was like, but people know, like I put it like this. When Will Smith walked on stage and slapped Chris Rock, it was like, listen, I know Chris Rock only said a couple of things, but it's added to the list of shit that I've been hearing from different vantage points. I'm like, you know what? I need to make an example. Like, listen,

[00:57:48] y'all gonna chill the fuck out. And this is going to be my, this is going to be my launching point. Let you know, I'm a slap Chris Rock on TV. So everybody knows. Yeah. I'm gonna say these jokes. All I'm gonna say is, I'm gonna say these jokes. Well, I'm not around Will, because a lot of people have a lot of jokes and say, not a lot of people went to the, uh, the fucking bad boy premiere with jokes. A lot of comedians were real. Chris Rock science and wherever the hell they were, but they,

[00:58:16] not a lot of people went to these events and said anything in front of, sometimes you got to slap somebody. Listen, I was small growing up. I was four foot 10 going in high school, but I had a mean right hand. So if you get out of pocket, I'm gonna hit you with it. And I think LeBron will say is, I'm a drop the course of life. So everybody else can get the picture. Like you are the person that's going to get this draft. Even if it might not be fully warranted. It's like, you know what? Enough is enough. You hear, you're my frustration. I'm targeting you. And I'm like, you know, you watch your fucking mouth and everybody else should follow suit.

[00:58:46] Maybe they will. Maybe they won't, but he's put it out there. Like, listen, if I get Aggie with you later, you saw what happened in March. It could get, it could get funky any week that you want to ask for. Throughout the course of life, people have shown they know who they can fuck with. And I'm gonna leave it at that. You know what I'm saying? So, you know what I'm saying? It's about that time. It's about time for somebody to get paid. But while we're talking about this,

[00:59:15] let's check out some stuff. Let's look at some things. Yo, shout out to my son, the chef bringing me beef bagogi. While wearing my Couton jersey, which is ironic. That's spicy as fuck. Yeah, you up in here sounding like Rocky right now. Shout out to my son, Adrian. You know what I'm saying? But, but look, check it out. You know what I'm saying? That's why he's my favorite. I love them all. He's my favorite. We got some stats up here.

[00:59:45] Okay. You know what I'm saying? We got, we got the one and only, Hua, Tonga Viola. On the right, we got one Brock Purdy in the middle. On the left, we got Mr. Daniel Jones. So, the reason I pulled up Daniel Jones. Oh, that's a surprise you have for me. You didn't tell me who the third guy was. Yeah. Mickey Mamba. So, so this is,

[01:00:14] so this is the thing that I wanted to do. So, Brock Purdy's due to get paid this summer. Or this spring, whenever. And I was thinking about it because my initial thought was, is he worth the Daniel Jones deal? But then it was like, well, he's made an NFC championship game. He's made a Superbowl, you know, and was seconds away from winning that Superbowl. So, I can't treat him like Daniel Jones. Was he the MVP of that Superbowl?

[01:00:43] No. Okay. No. I'm not saying like, but like he didn't play like the MVP. So, his presence in a Superbowl shouldn't be the, I wouldn't even fact that it into the contract. It's not about the presence. It's about, so, so a lot of times we have conversations more so in basketball. And we say things like, can you win with that dude is your number one? You know what I'm saying? And so can you win with Brock Purdy as your quarterback? That's the question. You know what I'm saying?

[01:01:12] You made it to the Superbowl with him. So you would think theoretically, yes, you could win a Superbowl with Brock Purdy, but that is also dependent on you having Traverius Ward, you know what I'm saying? Lenore. And Greenlaw going out of that game was more, I want to say glaring than Purdy. Right. I,

[01:01:38] I don't think any team should just pay a quarterback. The Dak money. I think, I think the Dallas Dak deal is probably the straw that broke the camel's back. As far as like, these quarterback deals to the point where I'm very pro player. Like, um, you know, you know, I talk about how I feel about authority figures and how I think if you're not,

[01:02:07] if you're not using a position to be the best leader, you can be when you're in a position of authority, then I think you're failing. That's just my personal opinion. It might be, you know, tough ask for in certain situations, but I'm in line with the owners here with this Dak $60 million deal. And that being the new number. Cause it was like, there's not a lot of teams that are successful when the quarterback is eating up 20, 30, 40% of the cat.

[01:02:36] It just, it's just mathematically not possible considering. I know people talk about the quarterback having a ball in his hand every play, but if you can't pay your left tackle 20 million, which is probably like the goal rate for a top left tackle, because you're paying your quarterback 60 and you got to bring in a rookie and he can't block Max Crosby or he can't block Khalil Mack or he can't block Miles Garrett off the edge. And now every game,

[01:03:05] your $60 million quarterback is potentially getting hit blindsided and fumbling the ball. That's $60 million. It's like it's being wasted because you don't have 20 million to pay the protection. You have, we saw it in the Superbowl. Philly has two wide receivers that are getting top of the line money with producing top of the line stats. Devante Smith, AJ Brown, both of those guys caught touchdowns in the Superbowl.

[01:03:34] Kansas city doesn't have any guy like that on their roster and they were struggling to convert third and six. So you have to, you need the money to pay all of these guys to survive Brock Purdy, because he's small in size. He doesn't have like an overly huge arm. So he's not a force multiplier. Even Kyler Murray can, has the arm to throw a guy open. Marvin's down there somewhere.

[01:04:03] I can get this ball over top of the safety in the corner that might be covering him. Josh Allen, that through, he had to, was it Dalton Kincaid and the AFC championship game going back, getting blitz. He had the arm and the size and the stature to put that, put the team in a position to convert that third, that fourth down, but he just dropped it. Purdy got rushed by Chris Jones in the Superbowl. Brandon Iyuk is wide open in the back of the end zone,

[01:04:32] but he doesn't have the physical tools to make up for that misblocking assignment. And I'm not saying it's supposed to happen all the time, but anytime that happens, he ends up in a situation where it's a field goal attempt or a punt. Cause he just doesn't have the stuff you need to get you over the hump. He has the stuff you need to run your office effectively, but you gotta have all the weapons. Like Nick Wright says, the Avengers. All right.

[01:05:01] So I updated it to their first three years. Um, and now they're different positions. Now brought Purdy all the way to the right. Now Daniel Jones in the middle to on the left. So, so like Tua got 53 million and we'll pull it, we'll pull this up here in a second too. But Tua got paid 53 million. Daniel Jones got paid 40 million. Now, if you're just looking at numbers, obviously you see where we're going here. Yeah. The number, the number, I don't know if you need,

[01:05:30] I don't know if you should pay brought Purdy to a money though. But that's, but that's what I mean. That's what I mean about the contract. Mahomes did the four, 10 years, four 50. People thought that was crazy because it didn't basically, it didn't fleece the team and put them in this, Deshaun Watson like contract. We're not Cleveland. They just renegotiate this guy's contract. More than I've updated my resume and my job in the last few weeks. It's like, it's ridiculous.

[01:06:00] So with Tua, I think Tua got overpaid because they took too long to just pay him when the market was like the Dak situation. The first time that situation, that situation. The first time I think that could have got 29, 28 or 29 million. And Jerry would have signed them before making them play. And then he breaks his ankle. And then you have to pay him like 35 to 36,

[01:06:27] because by the time Dak was able to negotiate everybody, these other deals, it does, you know, it just depends on the situation. Cause like, look at the next guy up. It's what are you doing for me? He is like, I would, I would like, I get it. But in my opinion, I don't, I think the Daniel Jones deal is the 12 through 18 quarterback deal.

[01:06:56] Like I'm still offering that now to any quarterback. You know, from one through 11, I think you can like, maybe get like 42 to some of these guys, but the Daniel Jones four years, one 60 is the max. I'm willing to go for over half of the quarterbacks in the league. And most of them are getting way more money than that. All right. So the record's that way, because he's only getting paid like $900,000.

[01:07:24] So when they can't pay Greenlaw, they can't pay Warner and they can't pay with cafe, they can't pay Trent Williams. And like some of these guys are just done. What does he do? How does he elevate the guys on the field? I just don't think he has to do that. I don't think Daniel Jones was accurate enough. Yeah. He we're not saying, I'm not saying the stats are bad. I'm just saying like, I don't think he can, I don't think in the moments where you need a play that simply, you are the guy,

[01:07:54] you can make this play. I don't think he has it. Yeah. So, so before I switch it over to the contracts, looking at these numbers, is there anything that either stands out to you or surprises you? I think, I think quarterback numbers are misleading because every team throws the ball a lot. I think situations matter more. I think understanding where the blitz is coming from in certain situations, get you out of it.

[01:08:23] That over time with Kansas city and super bowl last year, my home didn't play great. It's just that on that fourth and six, he knew that joy Bosa was going to crash down. Kelsey was wide open in the flat, but he was like, I don't need to throw this ball and put it into a situation where now Kelsey has to catch it, turn up field. Bosa moved. I'm going to get this first down. And then on the touchdown play, it was very similar to the touchdown that they ran the year before.

[01:08:52] So he looks across the field and sees, okay, this is what Philly did last year. I think they're going to go zero or I know their zone coverage. This guy's going to take his eyes off of McCall Harmon. If I put him in. So that's what a force multiplier does. That's why I need my quarterback to do because my home stats aren't like crazy. Great year of the year. He had the 50 touchdown year and he had another MVP season, but in those crunch time moments, I need you to be able to make these plays that even the play I call,

[01:09:19] you can make it better because you see what's going on on the side. A lot of these guys play three years. They have adequate numbers like Tua or like Purdy. And then we think like, Oh yeah, 64 touchdowns in three years. You give him the big contract. We lock him in. He's going to, he's going to, he's going to do even better. You're going to lose players. And it's not even rocket science. It's not even crazy math. It's like, if I give one guy who plays one position, who,

[01:09:47] which is dependent on so many other guys being successful. If I pay him that much money, I need to make sure that Jawan Jennings can really run routes better than Brandon. I use, cause I might lose I use. I really need to make sure that Ricky Pierce saw that we drafted last year can replace what. Debo gave me. I need to know like this tight end that we got out of, you know, Montana state can do what, what kiddo is doing because we're going to eventually lose these guys.

[01:10:17] And I'm not going to trade a quarterback, especially if you're giving them 50 plus million dollars. It's like, I need you to do, I need you to do certain things. I need you to be a force multiplier on my team. And if you aren't, it's going to show it's going to be either mediocre seasons, nine and eight, 10 and seven, which is a good year, but it won't be, it won't be sustained playoff runs because you just, you need the bodies. You need the top level, all pro bodies in multiple spots on the field.

[01:10:47] And you're not going to be able to pay them. If you give one guy 60 plus million dollars, which is what everyone was thinking he was going to get because that guy 60. All right. So looking at this, we know that Dak's number one, 60 million. So here's two through 10, you know? So as I look at this, you know, I'm trying to figure out where Brock Purdy fits on this scale. And I'm not talking about the money per se. I'm just talking about looking at the quarterbacks and saying,

[01:11:16] you know, who is he better than? Who does he have the potential to be better than? So hold on, Mike. So then like, so as I go to that, you know, I go down the list a little bit more and then I'm like, okay, this 10, 11, 12. Okay. Colin Mary, Deshaun Watson, Kirk cousins. I could see that, you know, there, the Aaron Rogers range would probably be disrespectful, you know? So I think I could settle in,

[01:11:46] in that 45 to 48 range. Like I'll pay you. The only reason you will settle there is simply because he's a quarterback, not what he actually does for the team. He is a good quarterback on a great contract for the team. Once he becomes a good quarterback on a bad contract for the team, the team will probably be bad. Look at these guys.

[01:12:14] Joe Burrow had an outstanding year. And he had an MVP season. I mean, he's getting 55 million to the point where it's like, you got two wide receivers. They can't pay both of them. And their defensive end who led the league in sex. But they are paying both. I mean, like, no, I'm saying that collective. I know. I know. I'm just saying like, they're not really paying T Higgins.

[01:12:40] They're franchising him because they can't spread the money out because they're giving so much to Joe Burrow, which they didn't even have the money to do. Jordan Love played eight good games and a couple of good playoff games. He got 55 million. Trevor Lawrence got 55 million. He's on coach number three. Tua injury concerns. He has one good year, which he's an accurate quarterback, but he had, he had career threatening injury concerns,

[01:13:09] had a good year and they gave him $53 million. Jared Goff. He's playing well. Is he $53 million? Well, no, Justin Herbert definitely isn't worth 52 and a half. Like I get that the quarterbacks are getting this money, but I don't think they, I don't think any of these guys should be getting more than $45 million. I think every quarterback should be 45 million or less. These guys getting 55, $60 million.

[01:13:39] It just doesn't make any sense. And it's not like, when I look at this list, you know, there are things that stand out to me, you know, Jordan less because he's going to, he's going to take this money. And the 49ers who won six games last year, because of some guys, they didn't have all their guys every week, which happens in NFL. It's a war of attrition. You're going to lose. You're going to lose injury battle. Philly was fortunate not to. Some teams had to overcome it, but you're going to lose guys. You're going to lose guys to injury.

[01:14:07] If he takes his money, he's going to lose guys who aren't coming back in six weeks because they're on other teams. So what's going to happen when, if I'm an owner and I give a guy 50 to $60 million, coach is on you because I can't get rid of him because I still owe him this money. So when I need a change, I'll, Trevor Lawrence had a super bowl winning coach fired because they can't get rid of him because of the contract.

[01:14:37] So the coach is going, I just think I'm not, it's not about me taking less money. I'm not in that position. I'm just saying I wouldn't offer him more conversation. I struggle with this conversation because I don't know what the difference between 41 and 47 million is outside of just doing math. Right. I've never seen it. Like how different is your life at if you got 46 million instead of 55. So the year. Yeah. So the problem is you have players like Tom Brady,

[01:15:07] you know, the greatest of all time who took less money throughout his career. And Rob Parker makes this point all the time. Back when I used to listen to the odd couple, what did the Patriots do with the money that Tom Brady saved them? You know, they went out and got Darrell Rivas one year, you know, like what did they do with the money that, you know, they didn't, they didn't take or that Tom Brady didn't take. This is what they probably did with the money.

[01:15:33] They probably were able to keep four or five. If we're using a great scale, maybe they kept Gronk. They kept four or five B level players. And gave them, they probably gave them less than market deals using the Tom didn't take the most money. And they probably kept just, they probably kept that defensive tackle, that linebacker, the safety that probably could have gone somewhere else. They could, they,

[01:16:02] they use that to get the free agent, Stefan Gilmore, Darrell Rivas, Randy Moss. I think they just use that money to like, kind of fill out the roster. There was never a time when Tom Brady was playing, when we felt like shorter, the wide receiver core, when the wide receiver core wasn't that dynamic, they still kept dynamic tight ends. So the passing game was good. And they ran multiple running backs at you, which are pretty cheap. So being able to keep your offensive line attack,

[01:16:30] being able to keep a defensive line attack where the game is won. That's where the game is won. The problem is people keep thinking like it's the quarterback. It's not the quarterback. People will say right now that Patrick Mahomes is probably a better quarterback than Jalen Hurts, but who looked like the better quarterback in that game in February? Both Superbowls. Both of them. He looked, he looked better because his line is better. well looking at this, right. And I don't want to be that guy because you know, I'm not draft for everything else. And also, okay, this Jalen Hurts deal.

[01:16:59] I don't think Jalen Hurts contract kicks in until this upcoming season. I think he was on like a smaller Garrett and they had to resign bond and, you know, but, but, but that's where, and that's what we were talking about lethal with James Cook. When we were talking about, should he get 15 million? It's like Buffalo only had 12 million in cap space. But, but as I look at this, you know what I mean? Like, and I don't want to be that guy. Cause I'm not that guy that does, the whole championship thing. But as I look at this list,

[01:17:29] right? Look at, at the top 10 quarterbacks on this list. How many of them won Superbowls? You know what I'm saying? I got what? One. One. You know what I'm saying? One. Cause, cause Calumary is number 10. Three played in Superbowls between Jared Goff, Joe, Joe Burrow and Jalen Hurts. Jared Goff didn't even play in that Superbowl on this contract, did he? I don't think he played on, not on that contract, but as far as talent,

[01:17:59] but like I said, the question playing in a Superbowl, playing in a Superbowl to me, I don't want to poo poo it. Cause it is. The answer is no lethal, but it's not the accomplishment in and of itself, but the quarterback contract, like I said, at this point I am on, I know the owners have a lot of them have billions of dollars, except the, the bangles. Apparently they're only broke ass on an NFL owning franchise, maybe Chicago,

[01:18:29] but there's nothing disrespectful about you getting $45 million to do your, to, to play quarterback in NFL. Anything above 45 is just too much. Look what Kirk cousins did with his 45 million that he got from Atlanta. He played like 13 games. He played five in a row poorly and got benched for a rookie.

[01:18:54] What is Brock Purdy going to be able to do when Christian McCaffrey is never really misses a game, misses a game or two. Debo's gone. So that threat is gone. You're talking about you. They're talking about trading. Now you kiddos a year older is like Trent Williams, a year older, Trent Williams, a year older. And I think he's still trying to potentially, he might even hold out for money. We don't know how that works.

[01:19:20] I just feel like the team in and of itself has a lot of holes to fill. And Brock Purdy isn't, I don't think he's a force multiplier that makes it happen. They're going to cut the check. It's inevitable. He's going to get paid because of this position. And I understand that. But that doesn't mean that it has to make sense to me. I understand that he's going to get paid, but I don't think his check should be,

[01:19:47] he should not be getting more than Matthew Stafford. So, so do you think, and this is just a random question. I just thought of as Mike and James are having these comments. Yes. Do you think that brought Purdy by being a seventh round pick, Mr. Irrelevant, all that kind of stuff. You don't even know the question yet. I don't think that factors into it at all. I don't care where you got drafted. I don't care. He's six feet tall.

[01:20:17] He's not mobile. He doesn't have a big arm. He can't. Well, no, no, no. I was asking the question from Brock's perspective, not the team's perspective. You know what I mean? From the standpoint of. Is the money going to be good enough? Yeah. Like, like, like if I get 40 million, I mean, I'm not saying, you know, if I get 40 million, I was the last pick in the draft. You know, is that good enough? I, I think 45, 45 is way more than good enough.

[01:20:45] And I'm pretty sure if you look at like what he's currently getting and the money, like it's, it's all going to be just ridiculous to see a check with that many zeros on. And I understand that. So real quick, Mike and James, tell me the number that the 49ers offer Brock that you would hold out over. Yeah. Like what's your, what's your floor? What's your floor for you or Brock Purdy's agent manager,

[01:21:14] whomever you're sitting in the room. I think for me, it's 45. Like I'm looking at this list. You know what I mean? You got Patrick Mahomes on there. 45 still puts you ahead of, I mean, I know you, I don't know if they think about it like this, but you're going to get love, scroll to Jordan love. Anything under deck. Well, if Brock Purdy wants 60, he can walk. I'll put it like that. Yo,

[01:21:44] scroll up to Jordan love. Love. Like Jordan love got 55 million on his first contract. One playoff. One playoff when he sat. And I, like I said, I don't want to disregard playoff wins because it is, it's important to play football and win games, but I'm just a logical thinker. And logically, it does not make sense to give a guy who isn't dynamic.

[01:22:14] That kind of money. I felt the same way with Justin Herbert. I felt the same way with Trevor Lawrence. I felt the same way with Tua. Jared golf. I think Detroit was building something and they were building. They had a young, they have a young defense, but everyone got injured. So what happened was when you had to rely on a guy throwing the ball a lot, defenses, even the Washington commanders that you talked about. Don't have a great pass.

[01:22:39] Defense look like stars because the injured Detroit defense kept giving up points to the point where you're just got to throw it a lot. So of the top 10 guys, I think that's contract is too high. I think Joe Burrow is very high, but not too high because I think he's, he's kind of like force multiplier for the, for their team. I think Jordan love and Trevor getting too much. I think Tua is getting too much.

[01:23:08] I think Herbert's getting too much. I think Lamar Jackson got so disrespected in that process that 52 million is well deserved. I think Jalen hurts 50 is well deserved, but it's going to eventually hurt them because they're not going to be able to pay multiple weapons. So, so here's a different question. Here's a different question. Kyla Murray got paid too early and too high. Let's say, let's say the 49ers offer Brock something that he's not a fan of. He's just like,

[01:23:37] you know what guys, y'all disrespected me. I'm out of here. What do you think Brock Purdy gets on the open market? Like from another team. And for bonus points, who would that team be? If a team wanted him, they're going to take whatever number the agent gives him because people are inundated and in love with the quarterback wins. But it's like the people just kind of, I think honestly, John Lynch is,

[01:24:07] I don't know what the number is, but I guarantee it won't be that high. And if, and if he, if they lose Purdy, I don't think they're good with it, but I bet you they're not going to, they're not going to outbid themselves to pay him, to pay him 61 million. I don't think Tennessee would pay him 61 million. Like Tennessee still has Will Levis on the roster. I know he's not. And the number one pick. And he got the number one pick. So they don't need to pay him 61 million dollars. Give me a team lethal.

[01:24:37] so, so, so like, okay. No one quarterback medium enough to pay him 60 million. So, okay. So let me, let me throw something. Let me throw some teams out there just for conversation. So if you're Minnesota, you know, don't bring Sam Donald back. You know, J.J. McCarthy. He's cheap. You got to see how it works. We seen this play out. Like, it's not like a secret. It's not like I'm inside information.

[01:25:02] It's like young quarterback that plays well with a bunch of Avengers around him is the best way to win Super Bowls. The best way to win playoff games. The one that went on that rookie contract. Tom Brady, one of a rookie contract. Uh, Mahomes went on a rookie contract. Jimmy Garoppolo had a favorable contract. Didn't win. Matt Ryan had a big contract. I like the way you went. Um, I like the Steelers wouldn't give him 60 million. Cause they wouldn't give him 60 million,

[01:25:32] but you know what I mean? But, but that's what, but that's what I'm saying. Like, I'm like, that's why I'm trying to say, like, I don't know. Like, like just, just off of. Forget the point of. How much money it'll like, you know, you want to whatever. What do you think teams, the 32 teams in the end of whoever, what team, what do you think teams will offer him as the max? Cause I don't know if a team is offering him 61 million. You know what I mean? Like, I mean,

[01:26:01] if you show me a team, if you show me a team that gives him 61 million, I will show you a dumb ass team. That ain't going nowhere. Name a QB. It didn't work for when they got back to a Trevor, Jordan. Jordan. I love still early, but. Justin Herbert. Jerk golf. Kyla Murray. Scroll down a little bit. Kirk cousins. Keep going. Uh, Josh Allen. You know, well, it's the AFC championship. Like,

[01:26:31] okay. Aaron Rodgers. Like you're still a good team. 12, 13 wins. Like Aaron Rodgers. I think he came from green Bay. Derek Carr. Didn't work. Baker. It worked. Gino. Didn't really work. And then you got Garderman. She had 12 million. I'm not saying he should get like. Peanuts. Deshaun Watson. The games that he played. He's only played at the end of the season. Deshaun Watson. A guaranteed contract. $230 million. When he was coming off a controversy.

[01:27:02] Was like. He got 230 guaranteed. We all agreed. That was a terrible contract. You want to be like. Okay. So, so look. Like, I don't want to be the naive guy. Right. You play the game to win the game. You know what I'm saying? Like you want to win Super Bowls. I would imagine. So, you know what I mean? Like if, if you had to, well, if I had to choose, I'll use me. Cause I can only talk about me. If it were up to me, I would take 45 million. And two Super Bowls or a Super Bowl over.

[01:27:31] 60 million and no Super Bowl. And possibly not even making the playoffs. 60 million. 60 million. The San Francisco 49ers are five and 12 next year. Like straight up. Like, hello. Like, I mean, like I'm not, like I'm not shooting on him. It's just that. The, them, him not completing that pass. I didn't say that. Mike, I said, if I had the choice. To win. If. Think about,

[01:28:01] look at that. Look at what happened in San Francisco. When they didn't win a Super Bowl. 12 months ago. 13 months ago. Everybody wanted money. Because they were all holding out for this grand idea that we're gonna, we're gonna win the Super Bowl. But it's like, all right, cool. Now we, I gotta get paid. We didn't win. We tried. But you gotta pay me. Debo. So every year they have contract negotiation problem with all of their star players, short of Kittle.

[01:28:32] But everybody else, they've had contract negotiations that guys are holding out. Guys want to get traded. But if they can't, they, they couldn't pay. They didn't want to pay those guys before they gave Brock potentially 50 plus million dollars. They absolutely can't pay them. If they give them 50, they're already shopping. Are you? They just paid out you last year. There's, they traded Debo. They're shopping. I U.

[01:28:59] I guarantee you if the right phone call comes through, Chris McCaffrey's in a different uniform next year. Cause they're, they are in the middle. They are, they are wearing a blindfold knowing that when they take it off, the whiteboard is going to say rebuild right now. They're doing this and they're having these Brock Friday conversations and they hope he'll take 40 million. When he says no, they're going to take that blindfold off. And the whiteboard is going to say, rebuild. Brock Purdy is going to walk.

[01:29:29] And we'll say, scroll to that list of quarterbacks. Maybe the, but the jets are in a position where they can draft the guy. So why am I going to pay a guy? You know, a lot of money. None of what the number is, 40 million or whatever. The Browns, the Browns still old Deshaun Watson, 46 million next year. And they restructured his deal for this year. They still, they still own 46 when he come back next year. So they're trapped. They're not,

[01:29:58] and people think they're going to drive the quarterback number two. Yeah, you can, but who are you trading Deshaun Watson to? The 49ers once brought Purdy leave. So like I said, the 49ers are unfortunately unbeknownst to them. They are way deep in a rebuild. They're way deep in a rebuild. Tua hasn't even won a playoff game. You know what I mean? Herbert hasn't even won a game when the temperatures.

[01:30:27] I don't want to play off game. So I don't know. Like, I don't think, I think Kurt, I don't think Kurt, I think Kurt won one playoff game. If that. I think he's got one, maybe zero, but maybe it's one. I know he beat the saints, you know, in that. That wasn't him. I thought he threw that. That was, that was Case Keenum. No, no, not the miracle. He, there was like a game in the dome where the superdome,

[01:30:56] where I thought Kurt cousins threw a touchdown late in the day. Like 24, 20 years. Something like that. Yeah. It was like a first round. I think that was it, but they lost to Daniel Jones at home. The year they won. Daniel Jones at home. So, so, so I don't know when it comes to less money. I think it matters to some degree. I think it matters how much less money, because if I can get, you know, I don't know, 53 and I take 50,

[01:31:22] I don't think we're saying go from 55 to 40, but the agents know their cut comes out of that. So 10% of 60 is better than 10% of 45. Right. Granted, it's only a million and a half, whatever the case may be. I don't know. I'll wait for 49ers. They give him $61 million. I think the agents also know that my guy is the reason you've had this success.

[01:31:51] And they're going to use that leverage. Like, hey, he is the reason you got successful. Look at your record with Nick Mullins and CJ Beathard. And when Jimmy Garoppolo got injured and you're bringing his other guys, look what happened with Trey Lance. They're going to have all those numbers to support. But as a GM, I'm like, listen, I got a $200 million pot. I got to pay 53 guys plus my practice squad guys, however that works. And guys that bring up.

[01:32:20] If I give your guy 25% of my $200 million pot, how am I going to pay 98% of the rest of the team 75% of money? So if he takes 50, you're going to take 49 because you take, no, it's not about once again, it's not about, it's not about who's better. Who's better is not like,

[01:32:50] I think we're, I think we're arguing two different like platitudes right now. It's not the matter of who's better. It's how good are you going to keep my team? Once I pay you. And are you going to get better? Are you going to get better? Lamar Jackson was, they weren't paying a lot of guys, a lot of money when Lamar was due and Lamar was due money. And Lamar had a couple, you know, MVP, MVP caliber seasons.

[01:33:18] And you knew he was going to get better. You saw that when everything wasn't. Colp aesthetic, he still made magic happen. Jalen hurts made happen. Kyler Murray didn't. He just held out and demanded his money. It's not true. If it was about who's better, Trevor Lawrence wouldn't be the second or third highest paid quarterback. My home gets $45 million. Who's better right now? Daniel Jones or Baker Mayfield?

[01:33:48] Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield. He gets like $8 million less than Daniel Jones. He hasn't gotten better every year. When they won six games last year, they went to the Superbowl and then they won six games. So how is, how is he better? If the team. I think he's the most interceptions of his career this year too. True. Because he is, he's five, 11 and a half. What an average arm. You know,

[01:34:17] because they drafted him number one, the draft number one overall. And they had them. They were hamstrung because they couldn't lose them. So, so this is the thing, right? They couldn't lose them. It wasn't a thing real quick. And then we go and move off of this. Yeah. So, so, so like when, when Buffalo lost to Kansas city last year, not this year, but the previous year at home, I said, yo, Sean McDermott got to go, you know, and I said it again this year, but last year.

[01:34:46] And the thing that everybody kept saying to me was who are you going to get? That's better. Right. I don't necessarily believe in that, but whatever. That's the question. So if Jacksonville doesn't pay Trevor Lawrence, who are they bringing in? You know what I'm saying? Like they're not bringing in Sam Darnold to replace Trevor Lawrence. You know, there, you want them to draft, you know, JJ McCarthy or something like, who are they bringing in? You know what I'm saying? Yes. He went number one and they see potential in him,

[01:35:16] you know what I'm saying? Like for whatever reason, they see potential like, like a lot of, you got to remember, we see these dudes on game day. They see these dudes every day and practice, you know, but, but that's the thing. Like, who are they going to replace block Brock with? It might not matter because then you can strip it down and completely rebuild the way that you need to. Because they are probably close. They're probably, they're closer to a rebuild than they are to a reload. You can tell by the way they're moving their other assets,

[01:35:46] unless they really think the people they have in the building, like, listen, I'm not a talent evaluator, but I imagine that expecting guys who've never had 1200 yards and eight touchdowns receiving or rushing to do that. When you get rid of the other guy, it's probably not the most logical approach to it. So realistically,

[01:36:11] they're going to offer Brock Purdy a contract that allows them to replace those tools. I don't think Seattle does a deal in conference of DK Metcats haven't moved yet. I don't think they make the Seattle to San Francisco trade. I don't know what you could do there, but. Devante Adams is 32. So that's not really a move. If you want to get T Higgins from Cincinnati, you probably got to give up some draft picks. So it's like more than 11. And I said most of his career.

[01:36:40] And I think he played less games. I'm not saying Brock Purdy is not a good quarterback. He's just a good quarterback to be the top in your position for every other position. You got to be great. Like Max Crosby. Okay. The Marcus Lawrence is a good defensive end. He's not getting Max Crosby money because it's time for his contract.

[01:37:05] Every other position gets evaluated on what I think you're going to do for me going forward. Every other position gets that. Yeah. Except for quarterback. It's. They get paid off. What will I do without you? You'll probably go nine and eight. If you just get a regular quarterback. Yeah. For sure. You know what I'm saying? But hey. If you appreciate the engagement. I like it. I like when it's different engagement. It just.

[01:37:35] It helps me think differently instead of just having to say like back. Well, if you like arguing about quarterbacks. Let's do it again. Because if these two dudes are the future. Is the NFL in trouble? So, lethal should be very familiar with this. We're talking Trevor Lawrence and Justin Herbert. Which one is better and why?

[01:38:03] This is where we're going to need outside the game. Because me and Mike had this conversation earlier before we went to work. And my. My analysis of these two players. Is that. I think Justin Herbert. Hold on. Let me do that again. Hold up. Yeah. I don't want to give Justin that. I mean, yeah. I don't want to give Justin that extra year. So. I think Justin Herbert. Is a good quarterback.

[01:38:32] I think he's good for Los Angeles. But if we have to be honest. He is on his third coach. Coaches that. When quarterbacks win playoff games. Them entering the next season with a new coach. Not likely. Doesn't happen a lot. A lot of guys don't really get fired at the playoff appearances. Or playoff victories. So, Justin Herbert's on his third coach.

[01:39:02] And we talked about Trevor Lawrence. I've always thought Trevor Lawrence looked the part. I remember watching him in the Elite 11. And then he went to. He went to Clemson. And I remember it was a game against Ohio State. They end up losing in the. In the. In the playoffs. But I just felt like. Trevor Lawrence. When he took the snap. When he was. Shout out to Lawrence. Sorry. Matt. Sorry. Peterson. Congratulations. Once again. Congratulations, sir. Trevor. Uh.

[01:39:31] So, when he got. When he got the ball in his hand in that game. I remember. He was. He made like real decisive throws. You could tell he was. A level. Above the college player. And then. Of course. In that championship against Alabama. 44 to 16. So, I think he had like this. This rise. We thought was going to keep going. I think he got stymied by having Urban Myers as coach. I think that was a bad move. And I think they kind of threw off the first couple of years. But as you look at how it plays out.

[01:40:01] He plays in a favorable division. That. I wouldn't say he's easy to win. But. But. Your six games. Four and two. And five and one. In the AFC South. Isn't unrealistic. When you have the talent. They keep putting talent around them. The problem is. Is a lack of consistency. From either his play. Or the players that they bring in. And they keep swapping them out. Like Calvin Ridley was there. He's gone. Oh. Uh. Then you have.

[01:40:32] Then you. Release every Ingram. You drafted Brian Thomas. Thomas. And there's this one throw. This one highlight. When Brian Thomas run like a post route. And Lawrence lets the ball go. To like the back pylon. And he gets to it. So you know he has talent. It's just that. In some of these crucial moments. He turns the ball over too much. Like you see the 46 interceptions. But Herbert has 42. He has nearly twice as many touchdowns though. Well not twice. But like. You know. A substantial more. Like one and a half times more touchdowns.

[01:41:01] I just think that Justin Herbert. Just doesn't make the plays. When you need him to make the plays. I think he. He plays well. In your 27 to 24 losses. And he'll have the ball last. Where he can win the game for you. 31 to 27. But he just. He doesn't do it enough. He doesn't make the play. In the winning moments. And I think. Trevor Lawrence. He had a flash in the pan. Ironically. Against Justin Herbert. Because like I said. We talked about this earlier.

[01:41:30] Their best and worst game. In a microcosm for both of their careers. Is the game they played against each other in the playoffs. Trevor Lawrence had four interceptions. They were down 27 points. Justin Herbert was up. 27 points. And. Trevor Lawrence battled back to win that game. But there was moments where. Justin Herbert could have made. Foot on your neck. First downs. I think they were inside.

[01:42:00] They were in field goal range. And I think he had like. Incomplete pass to the end zone. I can't remember if the guy was open. But I believe a better pass. Would have gotten him a touchdown. Versus the field goal. Like Rod Purdy in the Super Bowl. Like I said. Chris Jones came through clean. There's only so much you can do. But. Josh Allen. When the books came through. Dropped back a little bit. I just feel like. Some of these guys. Can make these plays. To give their team a chance. And. I believe Herbert. Is the guy that like. He plays.

[01:42:30] He's not going to put you in a bad spot. But when you need him. To like. You know. Make that. You know what. It's third and seven. Instead of throwing that out route. To the Bikanki. For six yards. Tucking to get the seven. To get out of bounds. You know. Like. Just little plays like that. And then Trevor Lawrence. Is just like. You got to be consistent. He's just so inconsistent. And then the turnovers. Are just alarming as well. So. Like for me. Like. I don't know the answer. To this question. So.

[01:42:59] By the end of this conversation. I hope to have an answer. As we walk through this. So. As I think about this. And to Mike's point. About Herbert getting better. You know. He only threw. Three interceptions. In the regular season. This year. But he threw four. In the playoff game. And you know. And then when I look at Jim Harbaugh. Because you know. Mike Trust and Coach Kaki. I was thinking about. Two games. That I pointed out on here. That. Coach Kaki lost. The game. Because he didn't trust. Justin Herbert. Or.

[01:43:29] Maybe he just wanted to run the ball. Because he likes to run the ball. But the Monday night football game. Against Arizona. Where the Chargers held the ball. For about six minutes. Just to get a field goal. With about a minute and so left. Kyler Murray. Heroic play downfield. They get a field goal. And win. Second game was at Arrowhead. Sunday night football. You know. They had a chance to get in there. Get a touchdown. But. What did he do? Third and. You know. It was like second and. Eight or something. You know.

[01:44:08] So. So like. I wonder. You know what I mean. If. There's something about Justin Herbert. That either. Like. That goes with what you're saying. As far as. Like. He doesn't make the play. So maybe. Harbaugh feels like. Because he's conservative anyway. I'm going to keep the ball. Out of harm's way. Like. Because you had the same. Criticisms. Some of the same criticisms. About J.J. McCarthy. Like. What passes did he make? What did he do? Because Harbaugh. You know. Because Harbaugh. Because Harbaugh probably sits in that quarterback room.

[01:44:38] Listen. Any drive that ends in a kick. Is a good drive. Whether it's a touchdown. Extra point. A field goal. Or a punt. That means you didn't turn the ball over. And I think he has guys. That play. That plays to that. That kind of. Thinking. Trevor Lawrence. I believe. I wouldn't say he had the built-in excuse. But I think it was. When we. The Urban Meyer hire. For him.

[01:45:08] Was a bad move. And I believe. That set him back. A couple of years. Because he had. Because he. If you have bad habits. With a coach. And then you work with that same coach. In the off season. You can learn. But getting a new coach. And now working. Now you. Now you're going to create a new set of bad habits. Because now you're working in his scheme. So his scheme might be. Hey. I like to take the shot. And then to check down. Now. But do you have another coach. I want you to take. From you know.

[01:45:38] Five yards. 15. I want you to look that way. And I think I was like. Now I want you to look from here. Here. So he made all these mistakes. With Urban Meyer. And they got a whole new coach. I had to figure that out. So that's a couple of years. And a coach that was a quarterback. Coach that was a quarterback. A coach that won a Super Bowl. With Nick Foles. Like. Think about the mic'd up. And I'm. I've never listened to Justin Herbert mic'd up. Game. And it was like. 13 to 15.

[01:46:06] And he walked over to BNB and Andy Reid. And was like. Yo. Can we. We got time for Walsh. We got Walsh. Can we do Walsh. And they were like. You know what. We got it. Doug Peterson. Nick Foles. In the New England. Philly Super Bowl. Nick Foles came over. Like. Yeah. I. Let's run this play. I'm not sure. Justin Herbert comes over. To the sideline. Like. Listen. Get the. I got a play in mind. I want to run. I want to run. You know. Whatever the fuck.

[01:46:36] I want to run this play. What do we. What do we have. Like. You know. The John Gruden favorite play. So. I. I don't. I don't feel like in those moments. He makes that play. I think he's like. You know what. The play is this. If. If. If it's not there. Run. Slide. Kick the field goal. And. I think that's how he plays the game. I think he plays it. Very methodical. A lot like Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers numbers were on par with Patrick Mahomes. But it's like. He didn't make the.

[01:47:06] Grinny's 30 something years old. But like. It's been like a knock for him his whole career. If you. If you're down in the fourth quarter. With Aaron Rodgers. He loses like. Substantial. Like 70 percent of his games. It's something crazy like that. Yeah. Because it's like. I need you to. Like. The pass he threw in the NSC championship game. When he threw it to Devontae Adams. You could probably ran that in. The Elway helicopter. Like. Elway was like. Yo. I'm trying to get this ball in the end zone. Granted it was like his last hurrah. But he still was like. You know what. We need this first down. Boom. Helicopter.

[01:47:36] I'm still coming up for the next play. Well you know. I think that with Trevor Lawrence. He ran into that problem. Where. People are comparing him. I think. To his college self. You know. They saw him in college. And they saw. Because people were saying. He's the best prospect since Peyton Manning. The same thing kind of happened to Imani Bates. You know. Remember he was like the. Oh. This is the best high school prospect since LeBron. He's the best. And now. You don't even see that dude. Half the time. You know what I mean. He's supposed to be the next KD. The skinny.

[01:48:06] The skinny shooter. His arms. But his arms too short. You know what I mean. Like he's got the T-Rex thing going on. Like his. His wingspan. His wingspan is the same. As his height. And you know. So. So when you look at it. I think that's what Trevor Lawrence deals with. You know. But also. Looking back at it. That division that you were talking about. This previous. Not this season. The previous season. They were eight and three. And he got injured.

[01:48:34] And then it kind of just went to hell. And the Texans snuck in the playoffs. Because the Colts weren't good enough to beat him. Just had to say that. But. But you know. But you know. But. Like when you look at it. They were on their way to the playoffs. He had just won a playoff game. The year prior that you're talking about. But. Then came the second playoff game. Because you always say. Yo. Patrick Mahomes couldn't even walk. And y'all couldn't beat them.

[01:49:04] Trevor Lawrence couldn't lead. Them to a victory. You know. So you know. I don't know. What. And I think. And that's another thing. If Andy. If. If Steve Spagnola. If Jalen Hurts had rolled his ankle in the Super Bowl. I think Steve Spagnola is. Throwing a house at Jalen. Because like. He figures. If they score. It's going to have. It's going to take a whale of an effort. Because their guy is limited. Mahomes. They couldn't even run. They run stretch run plays.

[01:49:34] He couldn't get out there. They had to not. They couldn't even call that play anymore. So it was like. When you see that title on the edge. It's like. They're not running that stretch play. He couldn't get there. And the defense. Didn't like. Risk anything. They played. Because they didn't want to give up any points. It's like. Listen. I'm going all out. And I'm going to rely on my guy. Who's fully healthy. And young. But they just. It just. They just. They didn't put their foots on the neck of Kansas City. And I think. It kind of. And that's the same thing that the Chargers do. They have that opportunity.

[01:50:04] But they take the ball out of the hands of their star. Quarterback. That they're paying. An astronomical amount of money to. It's like. It's not about like. Oh. Because you make this much money. You're this good. It's like. You make this much money. And because of that. I don't have. I don't have all the players that I could have. So you got to make the play. When the play I call. Doesn't work. I need you. To give me a million dollar effort. 55 times a year. Well you know.

[01:50:34] But also. One of the things that we've talked about. With Trevor Lawrence. Is. Even in that year. Where they were eight and three. You know. It was like. Week seven or eight. And he had nine touchdown passes. You know. So. So it's one thing to say. Okay. Like. His offensive line isn't good. All this and all that. Because that's true. But when you look at it. I don't think Trevor Lawrence. Has been as short. Of weapons. As people make it sound. Now.

[01:51:04] He hasn't been short of weapons. At all. Not even a little bit. So Herbert. All season. They get on weapons. Two running backs. Three varses. He's tied in every year. Herbert had Keenan Allen. Who. Probably is better. Than any receiver. That. Trevor Lawrence has had. But Trevor Lawrence had. Christian Kirk. And Ridley. At the same time. With Evan. And today. And Trevor. Atien. The guy they drafted. From your college. With you. And then they drafted.

[01:51:34] Tank Biggs. In the first round. Was out playing. Atien at times. This year. So. So. With Trevor Lawrence. Sometimes. I think. With Jacksonville. Zay Jones. I think. Sometimes. With Jacksonville. I don't think. Their defense. Gets enough attention. Because people focus. On the quarterback. So much. That. Oh. The line isn't good. But the defense. Is pretty bad too. So. He drafted. Two defensive ends. Number one overall. I know. In that same window. So it was like. But that's what I'm saying. The team.

[01:52:03] The team has talent. It just. That's what makes me wonder. If Justin Herbert. Is better. Because. You know. Like the Chargers. Aren't short of talent. Either. You know. But the Chargers. Talent is on the defensive side. You know. Khalil Mack. Derwin James. Joey Bosa. So on and so forth. Now. And. And. The other part of that. Though. We just talked about. How bad. Well. Yeah. And we just talked about. How bad Trevor Lawrence's. Offensive line was. But. Like. Herbert had.

[01:52:33] Rashaun. Rashaun Slater. And then they went and drafted. Joe Alt this year. So. You know what I mean. So. But then they lost. Keenan Allen. You know. Mike Williams. Wasn't ever there anyway. So he's not a net loss. You know. You got. Matt. Yeah. Quentin. Quentin Johnson. He came on. He had the drops. He's early on. But he came on. Like I said. I think he has weapons. But. I think. Both of them. I think both of them. And this is just me speculating.

[01:53:01] I think both of them play. To not make mistakes. Because they're both aware. That. The team has. Gone through. Like I know. Trevor Lawrence has two coaching staffs. And now he's about to get a third one. And. Justin Herbert was on his third. Coaching staff. Last year. It's like. They hear the chatter. They know. Like listen. We put this much money into my account. We put these.

[01:53:30] This many weapons around me. If I don't go. If I go out there and perform poorly. It's going to be on me. So I'm going to perform. To. Not get. To not fuck it up. Basically. They're out there playing out to fuck it up. Whereas you got a guy like Jordan Love. Like I talked about that. Like that. The view you watch on Amazon. When the all 22. And he like slipped the blitzer. Stepped up. And threw the ball. Out route to the tight end. He plays.

[01:54:00] He plays. Like. Like let's say. Unconscious. I think these guys are very conscious. And very focused. And very understanding of. If I make a mistake. Their defenses weren't great. They weren't like stout defenses. So like. If I make a mistake. I put us behind the eight ball. I don't think Jalen Hurts plays that way. I don't think Lamar plays that way. I don't think Josh Allen. I don't think Burrell. I don't think any of these other guys. Guys with the same size. Talent. Arm strength. All the measurables. That equal up. To what these two guys play with.

[01:54:30] I don't think they play the way. That these two guys play. I think they play. Lamar played that way. Against Kansas City. But. Then he. Then he came out. The following season. Thinking too much. I think they think. Too much. And I think they think. Too much. About the end result. Because it's been. For lack of a better word. Chaos around them. Right. All right. You talk about Jalen Hurts. But Jalen Hurts. Had different coordinators. He had the same head coach. So that same. He's had the same conversation.

[01:55:00] Win lose or draw. For the last four years. With Sirianni. No matter what it is. When you go talk about. Well. Jalen Hurts. Is just a winner. Because he had different coordinators. Going back to college. You know what I mean? That's what I'm saying. But he had. But the head coach is. Right. He had Nick Saban too. Like Nick Saban. You look at. Like we talk about Kansas City. Even when you were talking about. Getting rid of McDermott. I'm like. I think him and Josh Allen. Are on the same wavelength. I'm still on board. With getting rid of McDermott. Because you know. Sound like coaching to me.

[01:55:31] You know what I'm saying. But before we get out of here. And I think. At the end of this conversation. I have come to the conclusion. That Justin Herbert is better. Yeah. I think they're better. But I think they're both going to be. Before we get out of here. Hey yo. James. G. Go away. Smith. Is the new quarterback. For the Las Vegas Raiders. For a third round pick. So one. First question. Raph. You know. What do you think. Of a third rounder for Geno. Second question.

[01:56:01] What's this going to look like? Do they get DK. Or Tyler Lockett too? I think. I mean. The only thing. I'm thinking is that. So the Raiders are sitting six. Correct? Correct. Do you. Do you move back. And just bolster. The offensive line. And give Geno more time. Because I don't. Because I think.

[01:56:30] Seattle wants a first and a third. Potentially for DK. And I would imagine. Two firsts wouldn't be. Out of line. So you're definitely not giving up six. Like if they had 16. Very similar to Philly. When they traded with Tennessee. I give that up in a heartbeat. 16. For DK. But at six. I think you can make some moves. I think you can make some moves. Maybe they make a couple of moves. Get somebody else's. First round pick this year. Next year. Let them move up to six.

[01:56:59] And then they trade one of those. To Seattle on draft day. I'm just not sure. That the Raiders are. Inventive enough to do that. I know Tom Brady's in the ownership group. But I don't know how much. He's going to be able to like. Influence the pick. I don't know if that's. I don't know who gets last say. I don't know if it's. You know. Davis with the bowl cut. Or whoever the new GM is. Or maybe Tom's like. Listen. I can work with Geno. Because you know. I'm a.

[01:57:30] One of the greatest quarterback of all time. So I can help him. We can make a lot of other moves. With these picks. There ain't no help in Geno Smith. Even though he probably had the best year. Of his career this year. To be fair. Yeah. Like I said. It's just. It's. It's the Justin Herbert. Trevor Lawrence. Can I. Like. All these guys. Aren't going to be your top four. Like people say top five. Like I said. I think it's four. I think it's. Mahomes. Allen. Burrow. Jackson.

[01:58:00] And then like I said. Five through whatever. It's interchangeable. Five through 12. Any given week. Five through 13. Any given week. Can be five. Whoever you have at five. One week. It could be two or one week. It could be Dak the next week. It could be Geno. It could be Sam Darnold. But the top four. However you want to rank them. One through four. Are the you're consistent for. They're going to make things happen. Everybody else needs help. Needs work. So. Tom Brady getting Geno Smith in the building.

[01:58:30] Maybe that works. Um. But it just depends. Maybe they keep it simple. And just go. Maybe. Because I've heard. I've heard a couple of podcasters. I think the Tom and Shea podcast. Him and his party talked about. Just because of need. Travis Hunter could fall to. Six. Not because of talent. Just because of need. Like. Tennessee could take. Cam. One.

[01:59:01] Two. Two. Maybe they could keep. And convince. Uh. Convince. Miles Garrett to stay. The Giants take a quarterback. Three. New England needs so much help. Maybe getting a weapon. In that four. Might not be the best plan. Considering they don't have anyone to block for Drake May. Jacksonville. Maybe. But also. They have holes. Their quarterback's injured. Maybe they make a move there. To both their line. Or like I said. Their defense. And so it's kind of pierced.

[01:59:31] So. Trevor. You know. Travis Hunter. Could fall. To six. And I'm pretty sure he has some kind of relationship. With Tom Brady. Considering the Shador. And Tom Brady. Uh. Shador being a partner. In Tom Brady. But. Like affiliated with Tom Brady's brand. So. If that's the move. But. It just. Gino Smith. It's. It's. If it's a one year thing. And maybe they think they're going to suck again. They can get Arch Manning next year. I don't know what's going on.

[02:00:02] But. Could San Francisco. Or Dallas. Want the Raider pick. Dallas has seven and ten. Needed a running back. I think they can get Gentie at 12. Unless New Orleans wants to pair him with Kamara. And have like a two-headed monster. But I think New Orleans has so many holes. Their defense is really old. Carolina just signed their running back. So unless Dallas wants to get. If Dallas wants Gentie.

[02:00:31] Both of them are hurt. I think Dallas can sit at 12. And still get Gentie. So I don't know. I don't know. Because I think the Bears might get him if he's there. Well the Bears have been signing all offensive linemen a lot. I can see them going defense. Maybe getting the ball back at. You know. Getting the ball back at the 40 yard line. A couple turnovers every once in a while. To help Caleb Williams out. Yeah. New Orleans is best available.

[02:01:00] And I don't know if Gentie is going to. Like I said. I don't know. Like San Francisco. I don't see any. I don't. We always talk about teams moving up in a draft. And it doesn't happen nearly as much as we talk about. And it doesn't happen nearly as much as we. What did I tell you about that Mike? What did I tell you about that? You know. So we're not doing that. That at 12? Yeah.

[02:01:29] I told him. If they draft that. I'm coming. I'm coming to VA. Why not? Like that. Listen. You can. I'm all. We ain't even got no corners to begin with. To be trying to guard that dude. You know. And still got to deal with. So Darion DeLeon Lamb too. Yeah. I think it makes sense. It's like you go greatest show on turf. You run the score up. And then your defense can keep teams. And if your defense can keep teams under 25 points. And you can score 28 points a week.

[02:01:59] Because you're just. You know. All show on that turf and Jerry world. I say go for it. But. So. They just had a guard retire. So. Like I don't know. I don't know what the guard looks like in this draft. But. So what's the play for Seattle now? No Gino. Tyler Lockett. You know. Gone. DK's looking for a trade. What's. What's the play for Seattle? Now that G-Go is gone. Sam Darnold.

[02:02:29] Or maybe they. Because you know who. You know who their quarterback is now. Right. Sam Powell. Right. Yeah. So that how was a backup. Maybe they see something. Maybe they see enough in him. To where. Could you look at the vision. Arizona probably makes something drastic happen. For the draft. Yeah. They might. I don't know. Coming off Kyle Murray to the Giants is a thing. But I can see them. Even if they don't make a move. I don't see them getting that much better. I think San Francisco. Kyle Murray to the Giants.

[02:02:58] I think San Francisco. Is going to have a down year. I think re-signing a 45 year old Matt Stafford in LA. Is probably not going to pan out the way they want. Especially the way they're dangling Cooper Cup. So Seattle's probably thinking like. Listen. If we can go 9 and 8. 10 and 7 again next year. With Sam Howell. And whatever we get for DK. Because you got Jackson with the Jigla. You can move DK. I imagine that. If I'm looking at.

[02:03:30] Who. Maybe. Maybe. Tampa Bay does the. The Philly. Tennessee deal. And they trade 19. To get DK. And pair him with Mike Evans. And let Chris Godwin go and trade. I don't know. That's nuts. Like I said. If you're Tampa Bay. You're like yo. Yo. Our division. Has a. Second year quarterback. With the coach that. You know. Is a retread. Then you have Carolina. Yeah. They're on the come up.

[02:03:59] But I mean. They are drafting in the top. You know what. They're probably not going to. Like they're not going to move for DK. I would actually. I think I would actually like DK to Carolina. They. They would probably have to give up 8. Do you give up 8? I don't know. But you got to get. You got to get Bryce the weapon. And I don't know. You can TMC at 8. You got it. Maybe. Or you. Or you Carolina. You move from 8 to 6. When Trevor Hunter. When Travis Hunter slips. Unless you really like Luther Burden. I guess.

[02:04:30] But you can get Luther Burden at 19. But like I said. If they want to move Carolina. But Carolina at 8. I could see them. Going. You know. Best available wide receiver. I don't know if I trade a top 10 pick for DK. Unless I could work out a favorable extension. They do. Mike. You're absolutely right. But I'm just saying. Like you know. They drafted Leggett last year. I just think you got to fill out. And give Bryce Young.

[02:04:59] Give Bryce Young the Trevor Lawrence. You know what I mean? We talked about all the weapons that he's had. Give him the weapons. And then. Just have the defense. Oh Jesus. Unless there's an offensive line. You know what I mean? Like. Yeah. Like Atlanta. The year Atlanta went to the Super Bowl. They had Julio. Because they trade a lot of capital. To go up and get a dynamic guy. I think that's the last time I can recall. Them making that kind of drastic move. But they had. Taylor Gabriel.

[02:05:30] Muhammad Sanu. Julio. Cooper. Two running backs. And the defense was young. So Dan Quinn was like. Listen. I'm trying to get y'all to do the Seattle thing. It's not working. So we're just going to play a simple cover three. Rico. You're going to be the rover in the middle of the field. You're my most experienced guy. Keanu. You're going to hit anything. Moving across the middle. Deion Jones. Devon J. Campbell. You're fast. Run to the ball. And we'll just see if we can outscore everybody. And that's what they did. You saw.

[02:05:59] Y'all see this man sitting all this Falcon propaganda in here. And they load up. They went. You know. Fifth all time. And points scored in the NFL season. At that point. So like. I mean. I guess it's propaganda. Or is it just. But like. It can work. Especially. You sound like an LSU fan right now. Cut it out. Cut the cat. So like I said. I think. I think that's a good move. Maybe the Chargers make that DK move. And they trade 22. Because if I'm the Seahawks.

[02:06:29] And you're willing to give me. 22. 22. I know Seattle. Or Green Bay. They were talking about. They need a number one. Wide receiver. Denver. Does Denver make that move? Because they went 10 and 7 with the staff that they had. Do they go get a DK. And pair him with Sean Payton. And the. You know. The passing attack. And Cortland Sutton. So. I think Seattle's sitting pretty well. Chargers got to get somebody right. Because they've been tied.

[02:06:58] Like everybody keeps saying. Tyreek Hill. Odds to go to Los Angeles. DK. Odds to go to Los Angeles. For tacky. That's not. Like you got a block. You got a block in. And Harbaugh's offense. Atlanta needs. Atlanta needs to bolster one side of the ball. And I will go defense first. Like. You know what. You know what I'm going to say. For. For DK. You know what I'm going to say. Baltimore. Yeah. At 27. No.

[02:07:28] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm. I don't know. Because I'm thinking. I'm thinking like. I'm thinking the AJ Brown. Tennessee. Philly deal. I think anybody after. Scroll up a little bit. Well. Baltimore. Anybody after 14. Baltimore fills that. Philly need. Right. Or. Or they fit that Philly bill. Right. Yeah. Well. Yeah. Because. I don't think. I don't think Baltimore needs. A first round. Rookie. To fill in any spot. I don't think they have a hole where.

[02:07:58] They need. They might be able to use. A first round. They drafted one last year. I know. They might need to. I think. I think their scheme. Their scheme worked out. They moved Kyle Hamilton back. And I think they play great defense on the back end. They play great defense. We can't take them. I can have. We just. We just picked up Debo. So. The second half. The second half. In that Buffalo game. They played great defense. And I believe in that first half. I think it was a bad pass interference call. So I think.

[02:08:25] I think Baltimore has their scheme figured out to where. They can get. A corner in the second round and plug him in. So. 27. So Seattle. Seattle has 19. Scroll up. So at 19. 18. And 27. 27. I like the Baltimore move. If I could get. The Chargers. Or the Steelers. Pick. 21. 22. I take it. But. If I'm Seattle. I'm looking like. Yeah. Any team.

[02:08:56] Short of. The Eagles. Or the Chiefs. I'm not dealing with them. It's all who I highlighted. Buffalo. Giving up 30. It might be time to circle some wagons. Because like. Look. I ain't going to do the Sean. McDermott thing right now. But all I'm going to say is. You know what I'm saying. You done had Kansas City on the ropes. Too many times. You know what I'm saying. To not. Just throw it all in and say. You know what.

[02:09:27] And like. Once again. Some of these teams. Like if you scroll up again. This is an interesting conversation. If I'm a GM in any one of these offices. From. You want me keep going up. 19. Who's above. Who's above. So Arizona's not doing it. Cincinnati's not doing it. Indianapolis. They need help. Miami. And Indianapolis. Need. First round talent on their team. I think.

[02:09:56] Dallas needs first round talent on their team as well. And they can't expend any more money. So if you scroll down. So. Atlanta at 15. I think that could be the move. If you want to trade 15. I would. That. Drake London. Kyle Pitts. Bijon. DK. It sounds crazy. But. If you can move to Kirk Cousins money. Maybe you can make some. Make some. Some stuff happen there. Or maybe. Seattle will take the. Kirk Cousins for DK. And the first. Like. Kirk Cousins on the first.

[02:10:26] For DK. Maybe they'll take that deal. It sounds crazy. But I don't know. But maybe they'll take that deal. Since they trade their quarterback. I think Tampa Bay will make that deal. I think. Pittsburgh should make that deal. I don't think Pittsburgh would make that deal. But yes. They should. It's going to be tough. Because. They're going to. Who's going to wear 14. So. Honestly. I wouldn't do it. Just because. I think that's going to be a problem. Like. Who's going to wear 14. Maybe one of them. One. If yesterday didn't happen. If yesterday. Or two days ago.

[02:10:56] Whenever it was. If that didn't happen. I would have said Houston. But they just got Christian Kirk. Houston. Houston. At 25. I think if I'm Seattle. I'm looking. Scroll up. I'm looking between. 23. I'm looking somewhere between. 19 and 23. I'll take any of those picks. Because I'm already sitting at 18. So if I have 18. And anyone. From 20 to 23. If I have both of those. I'm happy.

[02:11:26] Because I can get first round talent. To fill. The holes that I have. And I. Like I already have. Um. I already have. A Smith and Jake. Oh so do you. Yeah. I was about to say. So do you just go get his boy then. And Mecca. Muka. Get your DK. Refersment right on the spot. Is he a first round great. Yeah. Like a lot of mocks. That I've seen. Have him going to Pittsburgh.

[02:11:56] I mean. I don't see why. I don't know if Diggs. They'll be on the roster though. Mike. I don't know if Diggs. Going to be on the Cowboys next year. Yeah. Like I said. I like. I like. I like. I like where Seattle's sitting. Um. Um. At first. I wrote down Seattle tanking question mark. But now that I think about it. They have a. They have a guy who's a backup. Who started. Some games. 21. 21 interceptions.

[02:12:26] I mean. He has to work on the turnovers. Like I said. They have a favorable. Winnable division. Like. They're. They have Ron Rivera as his coach too. You know. Very conservative. But yeah. I like. I like what Seattle's doing. But. They definitely. They definitely got to move. DK. And I would keep it simple. Just. I would keep it simple. Just so. You can make the deal that you want. So you can make another deal you want later. I wouldn't drag it out. Because. You never know. It might be another one.

[02:12:55] That's a receiver that ends up on the market. Like. If DK. Ends up in Kansas City. All I'm going to say is. Every single. EMT. In the state of New York. Better head to the city of Buffalo. Because there's going to be a lot of accidents up there. That's all I'm going to say about that. I mean. Could you. Would you. I would. If I was Kansas City. Why not. The funny thing about that. Is that they draft him.

[02:13:25] McCoy Hartman. The year that DK got drafted. And I. I think about it like. I thought about it. When they made their first couple Super Bowl runs. I was like. They could have Tyreek Hill and DK. Back out. You can let. You can let Hollywood. And Hartman. Walk. To get DK. Absolutely. So. You know what I mean. Like. Seattle. Is Seattle going to do. That deal. Or are they going to try to squeeze everything. Seattle doesn't. I mean. I mean. 30 might be. Or whatever Kansas City. 31. Yeah. 31 might be too low.

[02:13:55] But. I mean. If you're Seattle. You don't play Kansas City. They're not in your way to. You know. Do something. Yeah. So. 31. And a third. Yeah. I mean. Honestly. Like. Being realistic. You know. Saying. Oh yeah. I forgot about Juju. Get rid of him too. You know what I'm saying. But. It should be. If it were me. Like. If it. Like. Green Bay. Just off of. You know. Saying that all the number one receiver talk.

[02:14:25] And. Like. I would think. Green Bay. Has to make that. Or. At least has to call. And make. Try to make that deal. I mean. If I could avoid. Trade him to an NFC team. They. They do. I still don't know why Carolina. Trade it. Mingo. Um. I would. If I can send him to the AFC. I would. But if I had to send him.

[02:14:55] To an NFC team. I don't know. I don't know why Green Bay. I don't know why. It looks like. Because I think Green Bay. Did great with those young wide receivers. Unless they just don't. They don't want to end up. They don't think those guys. I don't know. Any of. I don't know if any of them are. I mean. I don't want to say the word number one. Just because we kept saying number one. But I don't think any of those guys. Are. Dudes that you worry about. You know what I mean. Like. Like. I think. I like. Damn.

[02:15:23] I can't even think of his name right now. Reed. I like Jalen Reed. Jalen Reed. Yeah. I like him a lot. You know. Christian Watson can't stay healthy. Yo. His soft. Like. He needs to be yoga. Pilates or something. Like yo. Like. He's like. He's like no contact. Hamstring pulls. I've seen him so many times. It's like. Fall down in silence. Like. Like. Don Tavion. Wicks can't play for my team. Just because his name is Don Tavion. I guess so. I mean.

[02:15:53] If you're a DK. If you're a DK. Like. Do you want to go. Do you want to go to Green Bay? Why not? I mean. Like. So look. To be third. Well. Maybe not with Jalen. No. Check it out. Listen to this. Listen to this. So. So. So. Detroit lost both coordinators. You know. Chicago got a brand new coach that hasn't been a head coach before. I think he'll be good. But he hasn't been a head coach before. You know what I mean?

[02:16:22] And then you got Minnesota who. Was J. J. McCarthy. You know what I mean? Like. I heard they were keeping Sam somehow. That division could be yours if you go there. Where the money is. I mean. I think he's. I think he's a guy who likes. I think he likes his popularity and his branding. I think the Chargers. If his agent leaks some information like. Hey.

[02:16:51] DK really likes Southern California. I think that Chargers pick at 22. And I'm making that. I'm making it happen. Because. DK. I'm thinking. Like he's in commercials. I think he. He has like this. This. This Adonis like look. So. I think he could potentially get buried socially in Green Bay. In these smaller markets. Well. He's a free agent after next season. So. I think Los Angeles. Los Angeles is not paying anyone other than Justin Herbert.

[02:17:21] I think they released. They. They're coming off some money with Mac. They're coming off some money with Bosa. They're not paying that much money to guys on the offensive side. I like. I like Buffalo and Baltimore. The double B's. I like the. I like the. I like the double B's. I like. I like the Chargers. Because. Like I said. I'm not. Listen. I get Justin Herbert and everything I just said about him. But I think with DK. And. And the candidate. Herbert does have that. What. What Brock Prairie doesn't. Which is like. He's down there.

[02:17:51] I can make. I can make this play because I can throw it. Either. So high and so far that my receiver can make a play on it. Or it's incomplete. I'm not throwing like ducks under the middle. I can throw it into the wind. I can throw a roll in a different direction. And I have the body that can take a few more hits. Granted. He takes too many. That's why he's injured a lot. But. I just feel like DK. Deep post route. With. With. With. With.

[02:18:22] Overtime. Denver 149. Phoenix 139. So. So. T. Higgins. Right. So. I would like to think. Because Cincinnati's front office is stupid. First of all. So. I would like to think. That. Because if I remember correctly. On the. On the tag. Somebody can trade for you. They just have to. Give up. Give up. The first round pick. Or whatever it is. It depends on what kind of tag you're like.

[02:18:53] But in our tag. You had to give up two first round picks. Yeah. So. I would like to think. That Cincinnati's gambling a little bit. Hoping that somebody rescues them. Because. They're going to let. End up having to let. Trey Hendrickson walk. You know. And get a trade. Which. You wouldn't. I mean. He led the league in sacks. He's the one positive player on your defense. Jermaine Pratt. Who I like. But he missed a lot of tackles this year. He's gone. Pretty much. So. Like. I don't know what Cincinnati's doing. Like. I think they're just trying to go.

[02:19:23] Showtime Lakers on us. They don't have an old head in the room saying. Man. Y'all acting stupid. They're just trying to go showtime on us. They should have moved. T. They should. They should have put it. They should have had a deal in place. To get T. Higgins on another team last year. Because I said it. I was like. Like. If they tag this dude. That ankle. He's not going to play with it taped up. It's. It just. It was going to be like. The hamstring was going to be tight. You still got to try to play Jamar. And then. The ankle. He wasn't going to play on. Like. And.

[02:19:53] There was like. People. Of a fan. Like. Fan. I don't know. Fan fiction. But like. The fans were watching them. You want out. They don't even have an indoor practice facility in Cincinnati. The high schools in Ohio have indoor practice facilities because of the weather. High schools. In. Oh. The state of Ohio have indoor practice facilities. And the Cincinnati Bengals don't. And it was just this hill. And they said when T. Higgins ran up that hill. He was playing that week. If he walked around it.

[02:20:23] He wasn't. I think that if I'm Jamar. Chase. Like. Yo. Burrow. You my boy. But I'm trying to get this money man. I think. They're. I think they're going to pay. I think they have to. But. But. But. But like I said. The problem is you're letting everything else go. You know what I mean. Like. I just don't. You know. You know. Sell the team to somebody with some real money. Sell some money to Walmart families. They already got two teams in the league. How about that officially for the longest sports reports.

[02:20:52] Resorted show ever. Yeah. Hey. When it's good. Don't matter. But y'all. We go. Welcome next to four hours long. They want the money. They don't want to win. They want the money. You know what I'm saying. But. You know. You get the money. And then you NBA it. When you play for one year. Do you demand a trade. And you hold out. And then you get somebody else's like. Because next year. If he gets 37 million right now. That's a favorable deal. After. Who's up next year.

[02:21:22] Wide receiver wise. Wide receiver wise. You can think of the top of your head. Probably nobody of his caliber. I'm going to look it up real quick. Because whatever. All right. So. 2026 free agents. Wide receivers. I like the she rice. So T Higgins. DK. Debo. McLaurin. Mike Evans. Christian Kirk. Cortland Sutton. Jacoby Myers. Jamar Chase.

[02:21:52] You know. As Rez will call him. Third. And Jawan Jennings. Drake London. Chris Olave. Garrett Wilson. Jamison Williams. So. None of those guys. Are 40 million dollar guys. I know. I know 40 million dollars. Is a stretch for Jamar Chase. But I'm just saying like. Because he said something like. If I wanted to beat Justin. I was beating him by a lot. And you're talking about his contract. Yeah. So. It's at least 30 million. For Jamar Chase. I can't see any of those other guys. Like Drake London. Is not getting 30 million. From Atlanta.

[02:22:23] Like he just. He just doesn't have the production. To get 30 million dollars. Well. He got. He's not getting 30 million. Because they already gave 30. To. I'm Ross St. Brown. And I can put 60 million dollars. In the two spots. So it's a lot of guys. That won't get that kind of money. So DK is probably going to get. His trade and extension. So yeah. Jamar Chase. All this conversation. I just want to see. I just want to see. Where Hinden Hooker. Going to end up. You know what I'm saying. But that's just me. Hey.

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