THE STATE OF SPORTS

[00:00:04] Woooo boy, I tell ya, Maverick's out here, actin' like P. Diddy with the chair.

[00:00:17] Why they doin' this to Minnesota? I thought this was all friendly competition.

[00:00:22] I know that you tryin' to get to the NBA Finals, but you gonna go on vacation with some of these dudes.

[00:00:29] Calm down. But yo, we are here.

[00:00:34] It is Thursday night. The NBA Finals are about to be set. And we gonna start it like this.

[00:00:46] Yes, you are now listening to the sounds of Sports Reports As Ordered.

[00:00:54] And tonight, we're gonna talk about the state of sports, a little state of the union address,

[00:01:00] if you will. Can Dallas beat Boston? We gonna get Mr. Logical's thoughts on that.

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[00:02:01] things. We appreciate you. Let's get this thing started. So, uh, same as the Logical.

[00:02:13] You know, on Tuesday night, you know, the Minnesota Timberwolves

[00:02:20] had some people believe in a little bit. You know, they had lost the first three games by

[00:02:24] three, one and nine. So, 13 points total. So, people were trying to take their mind there.

[00:02:30] They were probably just talkin' based off of what Boston did last year. But there were some

[00:02:35] people wondering if Minnesota could come back and make this a series. So, I thought

[00:02:42] that Minnesota was gonna go home and give Dallas some of that daddy's home

[00:02:52] and then, you know, go get their doors blown off on Saturday. But they decided to get

[00:02:57] their doors blown off tonight. So, let's just go there. Can Dallas beat Boston?

[00:03:04] Uh, first I'm gonna get my flowers in Minnesota. The series is officially not over yet. They're

[00:03:09] down 27 and Ant-Man just hit like three threes in a row. I know it's far fetched but...

[00:03:17] Yeah, they were down like 31 when he started that.

[00:03:21] Yeah, so now they're only down 27. He's feeling it. He's doing a pass for the ball.

[00:03:27] Uh, he's doing the pass for the ball thing right now.

[00:03:31] I would have loved to sing that two quarters ago.

[00:03:33] I don't know why he didn't start the game off like that. Like I said,

[00:03:36] when we started our pre-meeting him and Cat were on the bench. I think that's

[00:03:39] their normal rotation. I was like, yo, let's wanna go home. I don't care if Lucas taking a

[00:03:43] break. They were down like 17 to 18 at that point. I'm like, though you gotta leave your

[00:03:49] stars out there. Like you gotta get 44 and a half minutes out of them and they can get

[00:03:54] their breaks during other people's free throws and timeouts. Half time, maybe you do the

[00:04:00] Jason kid and spill some water on the court, get a little delay, squeeze in some more extra

[00:04:04] rest from them. I'm just trying to figure out why they got Derek Lively out here with

[00:04:08] the jello in his brain.

[00:04:10] Listen, man, it's time to worry about injuries after the season.

[00:04:20] That's why you have doctors and insurance.

[00:04:22] This man's playing with a TBI, bro.

[00:04:25] The city of Dallas has great doctors, great universities. So they'll be all right.

[00:04:32] It'll be fine. Dallas and Boston, I think the problem is we talked about Jason Tatum

[00:04:41] and Jalen Brown. Luca has the dog in him. Kyrie has it. I don't think it's gonna be

[00:04:48] like a revenge tour for Kyrie. I don't think he's gonna be in there burning sage and

[00:04:54] trying to rebuke the demons and recoup the legacy that he thought he was gonna have.

[00:05:00] Yeah, I don't think it's gonna be that. I just think what they have, I think those

[00:05:05] two have, I think both groups, both top stars, Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum, I think

[00:05:10] they feed off each other well. Kyrie, Luca feed off each other well.

[00:05:16] I just think that Luca is gonna take game one as an opportunity to just

[00:05:24] unleash a barrage on the Boston. And I don't know if Tatum is gonna take on that challenge.

[00:05:33] Like we said, he had the 50 piece and against the 76ers, but like that year, game four,

[00:05:42] when Steph dropped 43, Tatum, we need you to get like 38 to 40. You saw he was going off.

[00:05:49] We needed you to make that transition from facilitator to the dominator.

[00:05:55] Like Ant-Man is trying to do now, but it's just a little too late.

[00:05:59] And Kyrie is gonna do what Kyrie does. Kyrie is gonna be efficient. He's gonna take you off

[00:06:06] the dribble. He's gonna hit some crazy layups. His attitude and everything else,

[00:06:11] like he never seems like the moment's too big. But like I said, he's probably one of

[00:06:14] the oldest superstars left in the playoff run. And I think he has been for like

[00:06:18] this last couple of rounds. I like their chances. I just don't,

[00:06:28] I don't know how Dallas defends these other three point shooters that Boston's gonna put

[00:06:38] out on the floor. Cause Minnesota has Nasri, Kat and Ant-Man. Those are the guys,

[00:06:43] kindly occasionally shooting your three. But three of those guys when you're starting lineup.

[00:06:49] With Boston, they bring guys off the bench that fire off threes and they're willing to go.

[00:06:56] Like I said, they're willing to go eight for 40. Those guys aren't gonna be shot. Like I said,

[00:07:01] Hauser, I don't think I've seen him make one yet, but I've seen him take a lot.

[00:07:06] Like I don't think he's gonna slow down. Whereas I don't think Minnesota has another

[00:07:10] player like Kyle Anderson, he'll pass up threes cause his motion's too long.

[00:07:17] So he'll do that slow pump fake and do a couple more dribbles. Nasri's a spot of three point

[00:07:22] shooter. And that's all Dallas had to worry about on the perimeter. They got to defend,

[00:07:29] you know, Horford is going to pop threes. If Forzingis is healthy, he's gonna pop threes.

[00:07:37] Prichard's gonna pop. Like, so like all of these guys are going to be,

[00:07:41] you know, shooting. And if Dallas doesn't defend it properly, they might be shooting a lot of wide

[00:07:47] open threes. And you know, I was thinking this morning, you know, rivalries we talked about the

[00:07:52] other day, Kyrie against Boston. And it slipped my mind when we were having that conversation that

[00:08:00] Porzingis don't like Luka. You know, Porzingis played in Dallas a few years ago

[00:08:07] and we couldn't figure out if his career was heading the wrong way or not because him and

[00:08:12] Luka just didn't have that rapport, I guess is the right word. So like I was thinking about

[00:08:19] it because the other night I made the comparison to from Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum to Russell

[00:08:25] Westbrook and Kevin Durant as far as the mentality goes. But I know another staple of

[00:08:31] sports reports disorder has been me saying that Tatum and Jason Brown are what

[00:08:41] Kawhi and Paul George was supposed to be. But in this scenario, I always say though

[00:08:48] that Jason Tatum is the Paul George and this is the reverse because the Paul George or Jason

[00:08:54] Tatum is the better of the two. So I don't know if the Clippers would be better off if

[00:09:00] Paul George was better than Kawhi or not, but this may be the way to look at that.

[00:09:06] So when I look at it, I look at the perimeter defense, you know, because on top of Tatum

[00:09:12] and Brown, you have Drew Holiday out there that's going to lock in. So I imagine

[00:09:17] Drew Holiday is going to start out on Kyrie to set the tone.

[00:09:22] You know, Luka is just probably going to get all the defenders. He's going to get the Michael

[00:09:27] Jordan treatment where, you know, if you're anything above 6'4", you go guard Luka.

[00:09:34] You know, this is like 2008 against Kobe, James Posey, you know, Ray Albert, Paul

[00:09:40] Pierce, Keon Clark, all hands on deck that way to number 77. So I think it's going to be

[00:09:48] harder for Dallas to do what they're doing right now because you're going to be relying

[00:09:53] on the PJ Washingtons and the Derek Jones to make shots.

[00:09:58] Or do you let Luka go for 45 and 5 and not 33, 12 and 10?

[00:10:07] I don't know because I think Kyrie, you know, has even killed as he is.

[00:10:12] You know, I think that he's just too good to where you think you can do that because

[00:10:18] Kyrie can get to the bucket, the acrobatic finishes, draw fouls, you know, and when

[00:10:26] he's motivated, you know, he's not a half bad defender himself.

[00:10:30] So I think that-

[00:10:32] I think you can defend Kyrie, not better, but you won't be in a size mismatch with whoever

[00:10:41] you put on Kyrie. So if you put Drew Holiday on Kyrie, you can get decent defensive

[00:10:47] action and make it tough on Kyrie. Whereas Luka, I don't know who you put on him besides

[00:10:52] Tatum or Brown.

[00:10:54] I mean, you might have to-

[00:10:56] I mean, Derek White is smaller, but you know, he's a good enough defender where

[00:11:00] you can switch looks maybe and get somebody quicker slash, you know, shifty or handsier,

[00:11:08] you know, like stealing the ball all that. You could probably do something like that.

[00:11:12] Yeah, because obviously you're not going to put a house on him.

[00:11:15] Not gonna put- like that's- that could be a problem if they don't-

[00:11:23] Like I said, they might have to say, you know what? We're gonna let Luka Luka

[00:11:29] one on one. Let him ISO. We're not going to let the easy lob because I think he

[00:11:35] gets more space when these other guys start knocking down shots

[00:11:41] because you have to factor it in.

[00:11:43] But in those games, like we talked about the finals game last year with Jokic,

[00:11:47] where he had like- he was efficient from score. He had like 19 field goals,

[00:11:51] but he only had three assists.

[00:11:53] I think you might have to let Kyrie beat you though.

[00:11:57] But who are you going to- like that's what I'm saying. Like,

[00:12:00] I think you have to give more attention to Luka. I don't know who you put on

[00:12:03] Luka that's going to slow him down.

[00:12:06] So I would sacrifice a defender.

[00:12:09] You would have to put one of the big boys on him, Jason Tatum or Jalen Brown.

[00:12:16] And exhaust them?

[00:12:18] No, like you just keep switching it. You know, so like for example,

[00:12:22] maybe the first quarter, you know, Jalen Brown starts out on them, see how the game flows.

[00:12:28] XYZ second quarter, you come with a different body. That's where you- maybe you give dirt.

[00:12:34] You work your offense through everybody else.

[00:12:36] Yeah, you know, you move Drew Holiday on them from time to time. Because you know,

[00:12:40] Drew Holiday was guarding- I mean, it didn't go very well, but he was guarding Jimmy Butler

[00:12:43] last year. So, you know, maybe you put Drew Holiday on him for, you know,

[00:12:47] three to four minutes within a quarter. Let Tatum take him at the end of the half.

[00:12:51] You know, the last two minutes of the half if he's on the floor.

[00:12:54] You know, so you just have to keep moving it around based on where you're having success.

[00:12:59] You know, whereas with Kyrie, you can leave either Drew or

[00:13:04] Derek White on him for most of the game if you need to because of size and they're good enough

[00:13:10] defenders to where they can harass Kyrie into say like a 9 for 24, you know, or something like that.

[00:13:17] Pretty consistent. Or harass him enough to where he only takes 17 shots. Something like that.

[00:13:22] And he tries to become facilitated because you want to get everybody else involved.

[00:13:25] Right. Now, for Dallas on the other hand-

[00:13:27] Washington has to knock them to three. That's their defense right there is their offense.

[00:13:31] Well, for Dallas on the other hand, it's tough for me to see outside of Jason Tatum stopping himself.

[00:13:40] You know, I don't see anybody on Dallas that can stop or slow him down. You know,

[00:13:45] PJ Washington and Derek Jones are both very good defenders. That's why a part of the reason

[00:13:50] why Dallas' defense is so improved, you know, after the trade deadline. But,

[00:13:56] you know, I don't know if PJ Washington is quick enough and I don't know if Derek Jones is big enough.

[00:14:04] You know-

[00:14:04] Oh, for either one of them to match up with Tatum Brown?

[00:14:08] Yeah, well mostly Tatum because-

[00:14:09] Like I said before, the beginning of the Indiana series, if Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown

[00:14:17] decide we're going to attack the rim, whoever you put on me, I'm coming downhill,

[00:14:23] coming downhill. And then I'm gonna let White, Pritchard, Horford, Porzingis if he plays,

[00:14:30] all your other guys can shoot threes. I'm going to put the pressure on Dallas because,

[00:14:36] I mean, you got Gafford in there, maybe Gafford comes over, gets a couple of silly

[00:14:40] fouls on the block attempts. Right. Or you just get guys grabbing-

[00:14:46] And Derek Jones Jr., he gets out of his flow because he gets two fouls early,

[00:14:53] so you got to take them out. So he doesn't get those early game lob dunks that gets him going

[00:14:59] and gets Luca going. So it just might be like just through attrition, just, you know,

[00:15:05] slowly chopped down the tree. Even though Boston's the number one seed and they have

[00:15:08] the, they have advantages. I think if they treat it like, listen, we're gonna try to dismantle

[00:15:17] what Dallas does with their favorite role players and make them play this other guy

[00:15:24] eight. Like every time I see him in the game, he seems like he has a lot of energy,

[00:15:28] doesn't seem to make a lot of plays though. He's out there, he's running,

[00:15:30] doing a lot of cardio. But if I rather have him in the game trying to defend Jason on

[00:15:36] the switch than Derek Jones Jr. So if you figure you get a few of these guys-

[00:15:40] Are you talking about Hardy?

[00:15:42] No, Hardy's number one.

[00:15:44] You mean talking about Josh Green?

[00:15:46] Yeah. I just, I see him out there, but like right now he's standing in

[00:15:50] the corner just waiting on the ball.

[00:15:52] Right.

[00:15:54] Oh shit.

[00:15:56] Well that's what, well like for me it all comes down to is Boston rested or tested?

[00:16:02] Yeah.

[00:16:04] You know, cause they're obviously going to have quite some time off because the finals

[00:16:08] doesn't start until next Thursday. But you know, everybody's been talking about how they

[00:16:15] haven't been battle tested yet because you know, Jimmy Butler was out, Mitchell missed

[00:16:19] two games, Jared Allen missed three or four games in that same series.

[00:16:22] Yeah he missed the whole series.

[00:16:24] You know, you had Halliburton go down. So if you're a believer of

[00:16:30] Boston hasn't been tested yet, you know, but I think that's offset by the fact of

[00:16:37] Boston has been waiting to get back here.

[00:16:40] You know-

[00:16:40] And Boston has experience that you can't measure.

[00:16:44] Like they have, what is this? Second NBA finals in three seasons.

[00:16:48] It's like six out of eight in the conference finals or something.

[00:16:51] Six out of eight conference finals with their two best players still being

[00:16:56] their two best players. You know, granted they grew and they got better and they-

[00:17:00] And they gotta be better just because Marcus Smart is gone.

[00:17:04] Yeah I like Marcus Smart.

[00:17:05] I'm glad one of us does.

[00:17:07] I'm just amazed that they turned Marcus Smart into Drew Holliday.

[00:17:11] He's like the guard version of Julius Randall or something.

[00:17:14] He's kind of like a Dillon Brooks.

[00:17:17] That's why I'm shocked that Memphis, I'm shocked that he's a more likeable Dillon Brooks.

[00:17:23] Okay.

[00:17:24] That's why I was shocked that Memphis like was part of that.

[00:17:30] I know you wanted to get rid of Dillon Brooks,

[00:17:32] but I think they were probably better off keeping him.

[00:17:34] But like yeah Marcus Smart does help them not having him there and having Derek White

[00:17:42] get bigger minutes and Drew Holliday being experienced as he is.

[00:17:46] Mm-hmm.

[00:17:47] But like I said, Dallas just because Luke and Kyrie can get you 60,

[00:17:55] but they both deliberately actively try to get the role players involved.

[00:18:02] That's the difference. If we looked at some of the teams that got eliminated from the

[00:18:05] playoffs, if you think about the Clippers, who on the Clippers was trying to get the ball

[00:18:10] to Terrence Mann to get him some shots, like actively.

[00:18:14] When they brought Russ onto the floor, was Kawhi trying to get Russ open looks or backdoor cuts?

[00:18:20] It wasn't part of the game plan.

[00:18:23] Kawhi was just trying to stand up straight.

[00:18:27] Stuff like that.

[00:18:27] So I think Dallas, the fact that their two superstars can drop 60 and both have

[00:18:33] seven or eight assists is that's going to be the difference.

[00:18:39] That's why I was saying it's going to take for these guys to hit their shots.

[00:18:43] The Hardys, the PJ Washtenans, the Derek Joneses,

[00:18:46] it's going to take for them to hit their shots.

[00:18:48] You know, Derek, I mean, he's a real man.

[00:18:51] You're all going to be defending by smaller guys.

[00:18:54] Every single Boston player that gets a lot of run,

[00:18:58] if you look at Hauser, he's not a big guy.

[00:19:01] Pritchett's not a big guy.

[00:19:03] You got that guy, Cornette in the middle, he's tall, but he's not like dynamic

[00:19:07] athletically to the point where he's going to overwhelm you.

[00:19:09] Right, and it helps that Dallas has Kleba back, you know?

[00:19:12] And obviously I don't expect Dallas to get Allie Oups every four possessions either.

[00:19:19] But that's the thing, they're going to look for that.

[00:19:23] The guys who catch the Allie Oups, they're going to be coming to crash the boards

[00:19:27] and looking for the lob.

[00:19:29] Whereas I saw plenty of times in this series where Gold Bear could have gotten the lob

[00:19:34] and they just didn't throw it because Kyle Anderson isn't looking to throw that

[00:19:39] because it's just not part of what they do.

[00:19:42] That's what he did in Utah, and that's what you can use them for.

[00:19:46] And it just felt like they didn't actively look to make that a weapon.

[00:19:51] Whereas Dallas has weaponized it with three players.

[00:19:56] Lively and Gafford are going to spend more time around the free throw line

[00:20:01] in the mid-range areas of the floor to free up the space for Tatum and Brown to get to the basket.

[00:20:08] And for the fact that Porzingis and Horford can just slot them out,

[00:20:13] because they are so effective shooting the ball.

[00:20:16] And that's where in this series, that's where Kat missing all these shots and being off

[00:20:20] helped Dallas because they didn't have to worry about that.

[00:20:25] They didn't have to worry about that, but I don't imagine that Al Horford

[00:20:29] or Porzingis is going to be the Eastern Conference version of Kat anytime soon.

[00:20:36] So I'm going to be interested in that matchup to see how they do more on the perimeter.

[00:20:41] And Boston gets a lot of wide open looks too.

[00:20:45] I've watched some of their possessions where it's literally all five of them are outside of

[00:20:50] the three-point line. They're in the five spots.

[00:20:54] One guy's in one corner, one guy's in the other corner.

[00:20:57] One guy, each guy on elbow, whoever's dribbling the ball is at the top of the key.

[00:21:02] They're all just waiting to either pump fake and dribble drive and kick it back out so

[00:21:08] someone else get open three, but they're literally all standing outside of three-point

[00:21:12] line. They're all 23 feet from the hoop.

[00:21:15] Yeah, I think that can be tough because if they're knocking them down,

[00:21:19] you got to respect it.

[00:21:20] That's why I was saying in one of these series,

[00:21:23] Boston's going to go eight for 40 from the three-point line, then you have to respect it.

[00:21:27] But if they start off the game and they're five for nine in the first quarter

[00:21:33] and Pritchard hits a couple, Hauser who hasn't been hitting, he gets a couple to drop.

[00:21:38] Now you might have to put Derek Jones Jr. on Hauser.

[00:21:42] You might have to just really stretch your defense to the point where you don't

[00:21:45] really want to and then you got to rely on Luca.

[00:21:48] I see. I think that's the difference because in game four, for example,

[00:21:52] Boston went 14 or 44 from three, but Indiana just can't close.

[00:21:57] You know what I mean? Dallas has two closers.

[00:21:59] They have the ultimate closers and we've seen in these playoffs

[00:22:03] that PJ Washington doesn't mind getting involved late either.

[00:22:07] He's got to make his free throws, but he doesn't mind getting involved.

[00:22:10] He hasn't missed one in this series.

[00:22:12] You know, so yeah, he missed a whole bunch of them against OKC,

[00:22:15] so you got to come back to the main.

[00:22:18] Yeah, but he was he's 100% right now in this series.

[00:22:21] PJ Washington released at the start of this game.

[00:22:25] He was 100%, but it was only like 12 for 12.

[00:22:27] It wasn't like right 40 for 40.

[00:22:29] Right. So I'm not going to ask you for a prediction right now,

[00:22:32] you know, because the finals don't start until next Thursday.

[00:22:35] So, you know, we can we can come back to predictions on Monday once we

[00:22:40] have a look at some stuff, you know, but my early leaning is Boston.

[00:22:48] I don't know how many games yet, but right now I'm leading Boston.

[00:22:53] But that might change once I get once I start digging.

[00:22:58] Yeah, I'm just I'm just trying to figure out like,

[00:23:00] I mean, is Dante X going to get a little bit more run

[00:23:03] in this next year in the next series because of his size?

[00:23:07] He could be another one of those defenders.

[00:23:09] You know, Josh Green might get some more minutes.

[00:23:12] Is he just six files?

[00:23:14] You know, with his hearty, you know, what's his contribution?

[00:23:18] You know, like Kyle Anderson, like.

[00:23:21] Is I don't know how he's in the league shooting.

[00:23:24] He looks like he looks like one of my 60 year old uncles

[00:23:29] when they were early 40s and thought they were still good at basketball,

[00:23:32] trying to teach me to shoot the ball with the Oscar Robinson shot.

[00:23:36] You know, that's what he looks like.

[00:23:38] It's weird that he's in the NBA.

[00:23:40] He doesn't have like a regular looking jump shot.

[00:23:43] Yeah, like, like when T-Bow couldn't throw the ball.

[00:23:47] How are you taking to a barber yet?

[00:23:50] Like you've been in the NBA all this time walking around with the mop like that.

[00:23:53] That may be one of those dudes shops at like Old Navy,

[00:23:57] just real reserved guy.

[00:23:59] Probably has like a real dope computer room.

[00:24:01] Probably owns Banana Republic.

[00:24:05] Oh, you know, that one must have heard us talking.

[00:24:08] Yeah, there you go.

[00:24:08] You don't say the reverse jinx, right?

[00:24:11] Oh, he likes to fight, though.

[00:24:13] Yeah, he does.

[00:24:14] But yeah, but yeah, we'll come.

[00:24:15] But we'll come back to that on Monday.

[00:24:17] We'll have finals predictions.

[00:24:18] We'll get a little bit more in depth into the previews and all that.

[00:24:22] But now we're going to move on into our little state of the union,

[00:24:26] the state of sports.

[00:24:28] You know, I know one thing that Mr.

[00:24:29] Logical brought up earlier was JJ Reddick.

[00:24:32] So let's hear it.

[00:24:35] All right.

[00:24:35] So I know we always tell our show,

[00:24:39] the show that doesn't just have the conversation about the popular teams,

[00:24:43] but this potential that JJ Reddick is going to get hired,

[00:24:48] just kind of let me to think, you know what?

[00:24:50] If the Lakers hired JJ, is it as abnormal or is it ridiculous?

[00:24:55] Is it because he's the bronze friend?

[00:24:57] Does he have the experience?

[00:24:58] So it was like, well, a lot of coaches, first time coaches used to be players.

[00:25:04] So we get to look at guys like, you know, top of my head.

[00:25:08] I got these notes here and then you have some different names.

[00:25:10] We got Steve Nash.

[00:25:11] I think people were kind of an upward with that.

[00:25:15] You have Steve Kerr, Derek Fisher, Phil Jax was a former player.

[00:25:19] Got hired on as a coach, Pat Riley, Doc Rivers, Jack Vaughn.

[00:25:25] So like, I just pulled like those names out of random.

[00:25:27] Some names we obviously heard of and they've a couple of them won championships.

[00:25:31] One of them won 11 championships.

[00:25:34] So the thing is like, is it that crazy to think that JJ wouldn't be a good coach?

[00:25:42] I mean, if you look at Doc Rivers, he has a career record of 100 or 1097 wins,

[00:25:49] 706 losses playoff record, you know, not great as 104 and 100.

[00:25:56] But he was a player for 13, 14 seasons,

[00:25:59] NBA championship head coaches coach of the year.

[00:26:01] You know, you got Steve Kerr, playoff records a lot better

[00:26:05] because his team was just better and they had an assassin on the team for a few years.

[00:26:09] Kerr was out. They went 39 and three one year with Luke Walton as the head coach.

[00:26:13] Walton is a head coach.

[00:26:17] But it can be four time NBA champion, but he was an executive,

[00:26:21] you know, with the Phoenix Suns for a few years.

[00:26:23] So he did get to see a little bit of the inner workings of the league.

[00:26:28] Steve Nash, couple two time MVP.

[00:26:31] A lot of people argue that those MVPs belong to

[00:26:34] two or three different players to include Shaq, LeBron,

[00:26:38] Cody, anybody else.

[00:26:41] So he was a two time league MVP.

[00:26:43] He did lead a very explosive offensive Phoenix with Mike D'Antonio, not a lot of defense

[00:26:48] and probably would have been to the NBA finals if it wasn't for

[00:26:52] the silly control freak rule that the NBA has.

[00:26:55] If you step on the floor during a brawl,

[00:26:57] you know, the mouse on the palace backlash.

[00:27:00] So Amari Stardomire got suspended, which is for games.

[00:27:03] Seven games.

[00:27:04] I mean, like Draymond got suspended for game five in the NBA finals.

[00:27:08] And it's just like for that.

[00:27:09] I thought he, like I said, I'll say to this day,

[00:27:11] like I didn't think that warranted a suspension.

[00:27:13] I want to say Z-Bo got suspended for a game seven against OKC one year as well.

[00:27:18] Yeah.

[00:27:18] So but yeah, so you got Derek Fisher.

[00:27:20] He didn't have a great coaching run.

[00:27:22] It was very up and down, but he just was considered a leader.

[00:27:26] He was a leader of a men on those championship teams.

[00:27:29] So people thought it was going to translate.

[00:27:31] I do think the relationship between J.J. Reddick and LeBron, it could work.

[00:27:38] It could hurt.

[00:27:40] Like you and I, you and I have a good friendship, a special relationship.

[00:27:45] But if we both get hired on to play some head coaching at GM and you got to fire me

[00:27:50] and we used to do a podcast all these years, it's like it might be tough

[00:27:54] or it might be a situation where you might give me two or three more chances,

[00:27:59] you know, more than another coach that you don't have this kind of relationship with.

[00:28:06] Does LeBron give J.J. Reddick the leverage to coach him or does he come at him like,

[00:28:14] yo, we're equals.

[00:28:16] We got drafted around the same time.

[00:28:18] You and I, we share basketball minds.

[00:28:21] I've taught you stuff.

[00:28:23] Does he come at him when he draws up a play that doesn't have LeBron doing

[00:28:27] what LeBron wants to do?

[00:28:28] Does he scratch it like he does a lot of times already?

[00:28:31] He did it with David Black, did with Darwin Hamfrey, sure he did with Ty Lue as well.

[00:28:34] But does it happen every crunch time moment with J.J. Reddick because

[00:28:39] they have a different kind of relationship, the equivalent of like Duane Wade being a head coach.

[00:28:44] You know, do they spend the whole, do they spend half the time out going back and forth

[00:28:48] about what they think they should do?

[00:28:49] And then now by the time you get to play out, yeah, you're done.

[00:28:53] Your time is damn near over.

[00:28:56] And now you lose an endeavor again for like the 14th time in 16 games or something like that.

[00:29:01] Right.

[00:29:02] So it could be tough if I, like I said, if I was a Lakers, I wouldn't do it.

[00:29:07] Like I said, I already told you what I would have done.

[00:29:09] I know it's not a prideful thing to do, but I would have called Frank Vogel.

[00:29:13] I still think that's what they should do.

[00:29:15] I really think they should sit down because I don't need you to be,

[00:29:18] you don't need to be friendly to be successful in a group.

[00:29:22] We don't have to all get along.

[00:29:24] I don't have to like your history.

[00:29:25] You don't have to like mine.

[00:29:26] We just have to be able to align our mission and make it happen.

[00:29:31] Some of my best years in the Air Force, I worked in rooms where I know for a fact,

[00:29:38] people didn't like me and we would discuss that to each other.

[00:29:41] Like, listen, I will say to someone like, listen, I know you don't like me.

[00:29:44] That's irrelevant.

[00:29:46] Stay out of my way.

[00:29:48] I know what you need.

[00:29:49] I know what I need for my shift and I'm going to deliver it to the next shift.

[00:29:52] And that's, I'm going to keep this thing moving.

[00:29:54] You like me not like me as irrelevant.

[00:29:57] Right.

[00:29:58] And that, like, I probably had the best six year run of my career with that kind

[00:30:01] of attitude where I didn't have any friends at work.

[00:30:04] I just had work and I knew the process.

[00:30:06] I knew I came to do what I had to do and I was successful.

[00:30:10] Yeah.

[00:30:10] So I was, I was thinking about this and you know, of course there was,

[00:30:14] you know, other names you mentioned, but I was thinking about this.

[00:30:17] There was, you know, other names you mentioned, Todd Lue, you know, there's

[00:30:20] Mark Jackson, you know, but everybody's not fit to be a coach, you know,

[00:30:24] Magic Johnson wasn't the greatest coach, you know, so like we can do

[00:30:29] Larry Bird was a great coach, you know, so Isaiah Thomas was pretty good.

[00:30:33] But as I go back and look at it, I was looking at the names that

[00:30:40] I've seen as candidates.

[00:30:43] So outside of JJ Reddick, you know, New Orleans, Pelicans,

[00:30:46] head coach James Borrego, who was a former head coach of the Hornets,

[00:30:51] slash came up under Popovich, you know, and then you got Chris Quinn

[00:30:56] from the Miami Heat as he's an assistant coach there.

[00:31:00] So you have him as a name potentially.

[00:31:03] The Lakers also got permission to speak to Sam Cassell, David Adelman,

[00:31:09] who's an assistant for the Nuggets, Mike Annori, who's an assistant

[00:31:13] for the T-Wolves.

[00:31:15] Now, with that being said, I don't like it.

[00:31:19] You know, now I know JJ Reddick is bound to ESPN for the time being.

[00:31:24] And from different rumors that have been around, you know, the job

[00:31:29] is basically his.

[00:31:30] He's already the head coach.

[00:31:31] We just don't have a public announcement.

[00:31:34] And, you know, ESPN might have a little to do with that.

[00:31:38] You know, we'll find out.

[00:31:39] They want it to be kind of in line with the NBA finals?

[00:31:44] Yeah, that's the way that it was expressed.

[00:31:47] And you know, but when I look at this, how many times we got to do

[00:31:53] the same thing?

[00:31:55] You know, like every single team that LeBron James goes to or plays

[00:31:59] for, we use this as an experiment of can you be a head coach?

[00:32:05] The next episode, the next contestant of can you be a head coach?

[00:32:10] I even heard Rondo's name.

[00:32:12] And while, you know, for the record, I think Rondo would make a good coach

[00:32:15] provided he don't beat up his players.

[00:32:18] But you know what I mean?

[00:32:19] Like he has the knowledge.

[00:32:20] He has the vision, you know, like Steve Nash kind of ways that

[00:32:25] the ways that we thought could make Steve Nash a good head coach.

[00:32:29] But oh, I never thought that was going to work.

[00:32:31] But better, but better because Rondo actually played defense too.

[00:32:35] But I didn't think people respected Steve Nash enough for him

[00:32:38] to be a head coach.

[00:32:39] I think people didn't want Steve Nash to be a head coach because

[00:32:43] it was yet another first time white coach that had no credentials

[00:32:49] to be a head coach.

[00:32:50] I never heard a conversation about him even thinking about

[00:32:53] head coaching.

[00:32:54] Right.

[00:32:54] And that's what I think it was.

[00:32:55] I think it was more that than people thought that he couldn't

[00:32:59] coach.

[00:32:59] We had no idea either way, but then you, but when you bring in

[00:33:03] these players, you know, like we heard the stories about Kyrie,

[00:33:07] going behind his back, making up plays and like having people

[00:33:10] over at his house, you know, like off site, you know, away

[00:33:14] from Steve Nash to undermine him and do these things.

[00:33:17] So like, why would you put, why would I as a first time head

[00:33:21] coach want to coach LeBron James?

[00:33:23] That's first and foremost.

[00:33:25] This ain't LeBron James from 2010.

[00:33:28] You know what I mean?

[00:33:28] This is LeBron on his way out.

[00:33:30] So at best, I may have two seasons of this.

[00:33:35] And then then what?

[00:33:36] I got to rebuild and go through the grind all over again.

[00:33:39] You know, if we, if we don't get it done, what you ain't

[00:33:42] going to do at least with this roster, the way that it is

[00:33:46] where we don't use a bunch of tall dudes who can't shoot.

[00:33:49] You're going to get all the blame.

[00:33:51] They want a title with Frank Vogel like completely

[00:33:55] destroyed the roster and they fired him.

[00:33:58] You know, you know, they, they gave Darwin Ham, what?

[00:34:01] Two years.

[00:34:02] They need to fight.

[00:34:03] They should have fired Polinka years ago because at a minimum,

[00:34:08] the, the, the team that won the championship in 2020

[00:34:13] realistically, you could have brought probably all of those guys.

[00:34:19] Got another year out of that.

[00:34:21] You could have squeezed another year out of that.

[00:34:22] Whatever the price would have been running back because

[00:34:26] you're running back a championship that I don't think a lot

[00:34:30] of people thought LeBron had any run left in him yet.

[00:34:33] Keep in mind he had the 2018 finals and then he went to LA and LA was just

[00:34:39] mediocre and they trade away all their talent to get Anthony Davis.

[00:34:43] And I think people thought like, yo, there's no way

[00:34:45] that any format the brown was going to be able to beat these other teams.

[00:34:50] I was stacking up.

[00:34:51] The Clippers were a huge favorite every, you know, in those years.

[00:34:57] And yes, everyone got a long break and it was in the bubble,

[00:35:00] but everybody that was in there saying, yo, that was tough basketball.

[00:35:02] That's why guys when they're dropping 50 that never dropped TJ Warren drop 50.

[00:35:06] I think he's on the bench for one of these teams right now, not getting any run.

[00:35:10] The bubble started Phoenix's run.

[00:35:12] You know, they didn't make the playoffs that year,

[00:35:14] but they went undefeated in the bubble eight.

[00:35:16] No, I believe.

[00:35:16] And it started to that year.

[00:35:19] Heat culture, heat culture ramped up because of that,

[00:35:22] because they were supposed to go bam out of by you blocking Jason Tatum

[00:35:26] at the rim with his fingertip is like,

[00:35:28] there was moments that occurred in the bubble besides just

[00:35:32] the Lakers winning and people disliking it.

[00:35:35] But that's what I said, it should have brought Frank.

[00:35:37] They should have called Frank like, yo, let's work this out

[00:35:41] because you're putting JJ in such a bad spot.

[00:35:44] He's his friend.

[00:35:46] And if they start off poorly, then it's going to be like,

[00:35:51] because you can get fired in the first season of your first coaching gig.

[00:35:54] Like, well, yeah, ask Mike Brown about it.

[00:35:56] He got fired in what five games or was it?

[00:35:58] That's a big age.

[00:36:00] And if we got fired and after going 30 and 13, I think magic.

[00:36:04] Just glad David.

[00:36:07] I mean, it was the second year, but it was the second year.

[00:36:10] I think Magic Johnson did like 10 games and quit, right?

[00:36:13] Yeah, something like that.

[00:36:14] Yeah.

[00:36:14] So you don't need you know who can do something

[00:36:19] when you get to training camp.

[00:36:21] I knew Steve Nash was going to make it once KD and Kyrie

[00:36:25] were in that podcast and say one day you could be the coach.

[00:36:28] Another day, I could be the coach or.

[00:36:32] But I also need, but I need ESPN to just stop.

[00:36:38] You know, you're the worldwide leader in sports.

[00:36:41] You don't say we always talk about Jay-Z, the trendsetter.

[00:36:44] ESPN, you set the tone of the sports world,

[00:36:48] you know, in the middle of the conference finals.

[00:36:52] We don't need to hear Laker trades.

[00:36:55] We don't need to hear JJ read it to the Lakers.

[00:36:57] We don't need to hear who's going to be the coach of the Lakers

[00:37:02] for three, four hours a day.

[00:37:04] You know, that's why I don't consume ESPN

[00:37:07] because I don't want to hear that shit.

[00:37:09] And we listen, we admit the irony that we're having this conversation now,

[00:37:13] but we're talking about the totality of the.

[00:37:15] Of sports in general.

[00:37:17] Hiring a guy for the first time,

[00:37:20] but we've seen it not work with LeBron.

[00:37:23] Right.

[00:37:26] Like LeBron already, I don't think it's going to happen.

[00:37:29] His team's already don't do the young player thing.

[00:37:32] We don't got time for you to develop.

[00:37:34] We're in championship mode right now.

[00:37:36] You don't do the young player, but you can't bring JJ.

[00:37:38] Yeah, you can't bring JJ Reddick in if that's the case,

[00:37:40] especially if these are the last two years of LeBron's career.

[00:37:44] He's definitely younger than you and I.

[00:37:46] Let me check his age.

[00:37:47] JJ Reddick.

[00:37:48] Yeah, so you know, so from that standpoint,

[00:37:51] what are the Lakers doing?

[00:37:53] What are we doing as sports fans?

[00:37:55] Why are we putting up with this shit?

[00:37:57] 39.

[00:37:59] Last play in the league, 2020, 2021.

[00:38:02] Yeah.

[00:38:03] And I know he's been coaching some teams around the country.

[00:38:06] Like, I don't know if it's high school or like a you type teams.

[00:38:10] I know he's done some coaching, but he ain't never done this.

[00:38:14] You know what I'm saying?

[00:38:15] I'm not saying that.

[00:38:15] LeBron has won championships and JJ don't know nothing about that.

[00:38:19] I think JJ, if Cleveland want to take a flyer on,

[00:38:26] Luca just took a tough spill.

[00:38:28] Get him out the game, man.

[00:38:31] Like you up by enough.

[00:38:36] Yeah.

[00:38:36] Because Kat.

[00:38:38] Oh, that was incidental.

[00:38:40] Yeah, it was incidental.

[00:38:41] It was just a hard fall.

[00:38:43] Yeah.

[00:38:44] You know, it was just a bad fall.

[00:38:45] Like, I don't know if it was slippery right there,

[00:38:47] the way he fell.

[00:38:48] No, he just fell off a one foot.

[00:38:50] So he was off balance.

[00:38:51] But yeah, official review.

[00:38:52] Okay.

[00:38:53] But yeah, so I understand if I had a young team,

[00:38:59] if I'm Detroit before I hired Monty Williams

[00:39:04] and I'm like, I need to figure out if we're going to do the trust the process

[00:39:10] or we're going to try to do let's pair my young stars for what you can call them.

[00:39:17] That we've drafted the last few years with the coach that maybe speaks their language.

[00:39:21] So a guy who's been a league is still under 40,

[00:39:26] then JJ Reddick would have been perfect for that kind of job.

[00:39:30] But if you put him on the Lakers with LeBron,

[00:39:32] even if the Lakers have LeBron AD and the rest of the roster

[00:39:40] is all dudes that got kicked off of Long Beach State University basketball team.

[00:39:47] If they all put on Laker jerseys, the expectation is going to be

[00:39:50] can this team make the finals with LeBron and AD and these supporting pieces.

[00:39:54] It's like no matter what the skill level these pieces are

[00:39:57] as the coach your expectation is going to be in NBA finals.

[00:40:01] No matter how we break it down analytically,

[00:40:04] how we break it down just basic shooting and skill and size

[00:40:08] and whatever else they'd be because D-Low and Austin Reeves

[00:40:12] are pretty much the same player with different levels of confidence.

[00:40:16] Neither one of them can explode and give you 30 consistently.

[00:40:21] Not even give you 30, give you 26 when you need it.

[00:40:26] So the championship aspirations are going to be there

[00:40:29] even though nothing about the roster or the organization says championship.

[00:40:33] Right now, historically, absolutely.

[00:40:37] Today, nothing about that team says this is a championship contender.

[00:40:42] I don't even know if they're a 50 win team, which is 32 losses still.

[00:40:49] I don't think they can get 50 wins with the way the team's constructed.

[00:40:53] Right. So on my side of this, I wanted to talk about marketability.

[00:41:02] Obviously, we've heard the Caitlin Clark and we've been here for the journey and the ride

[00:41:08] in. She almost got into her first fight it looked like tonight.

[00:41:14] As I was thinking about this, I was thinking about the NBA because of a situation that happened

[00:41:19] on first take the other day where Stephen A, Kendrick Perkins and J-Will were talking about,

[00:41:25] I saw the clip because like I said, I don't consume ESPN but people want to send me these

[00:41:30] clips for some reason. But they were having a conversation about the Celtics and they were

[00:41:35] talking about Jalen Brown specifically. During the conversation, Stephen A got a text

[00:41:41] it seemed from an executive somewhere because they were talking about how Jalen Brown

[00:41:46] didn't make an all NBA team and all that. Basically, the exec told Stephen A that Jalen

[00:41:54] Brown wasn't marketable. So from there, I guess Jalen Brown probably didn't see the whole

[00:42:01] segment where Stephen A went on to defend him and talk about how he is marketable or he is a

[00:42:07] great player so on and so forth. Isaiah Thomas, the legend got involved calling out Stephen A

[00:42:14] and of course it was one of those methods of what frustrates 2-5 is that motherfuckers just

[00:42:21] don't listen. You can't take 30 seconds of my five minute speech and try to summarize

[00:42:31] and that's what they did. Just like walking in halfway through open heart surgery looks like

[00:42:34] murder. Right and that's what they did. So it got me to thinking if Jalen Brown's not marketable,

[00:42:44] who is? Because when you look at Jalen Brown, NASA, Cal, the all academics,

[00:42:54] so anything Jalen Brown does, he excels at whether it's basketball, whether it's in the

[00:43:01] classroom. So first of all, I heard Joe Budden say this like I'm just regular Joe and a lot

[00:43:08] of people were like we don't know how to market Joe Budden and I'm like that's how

[00:43:12] you market him. He's regular Joe. That's how you market Jalen Brown. He's a regular dude that

[00:43:19] has an extraordinary brain. So I know Charles Barkley did the whole I'm not a role model thing.

[00:43:29] Jalen Brown could be. You know like especially as we talk about you know stereotypes and

[00:43:40] the way that black men are viewed at large in America. A dude like Jalen Brown is the

[00:43:48] antithesis of that. Yeah you know so he's the guy he's the guy you want your daughter to bring

[00:43:55] home. So why is he not my daughter but I'm just saying but why but why isn't he marketable?

[00:44:03] 340 million dollars. So it made me wonder I wanted to ask you

[00:44:11] I know we talk about who's going to be the new face of the league. You know LeBron's almost

[00:44:15] out of here. You know we got Jabba Rat. You know he had his stuff going on. You got Anthony

[00:44:21] Edwards. You got SGA. So who do you see in this next crop of who may be up next

[00:44:31] that you would look at and say this person's not marketable? Not I would say Jabba Rat.

[00:44:37] I never thought he was marketable. Right before all the drama? Before all the drama just because

[00:44:44] he's exciting uh-huh but we already had the small tattooed exciting guard

[00:44:53] and that guy's an icon. You seem to be like a mimic of that. Not a second coming of it. It

[00:45:03] was like he was he was trying to perpetuate the cycle like my pops used to say in Virginia

[00:45:07] people perpetrate a fraud like that was like the thing I just felt like his whole thing

[00:45:13] was fraudulent to the point where people kind of pulled up the family pictures and the school

[00:45:16] they went to and everything else. And I get everybody don't have to you don't have to

[00:45:19] grow up rough. So I don't need you to come to leave. He's like the new Carlton on the new Bel Air show.

[00:45:25] It's like yo just just be be authentic and I think marketability comes down to authenticity.

[00:45:31] I think the foreign players are marketable maybe in their home markets or like a European

[00:45:39] market because it's a different kind of personality. Like it's not a very

[00:45:48] vocal look at me shine kind of personality. I think another thing that kind of switched it up

[00:45:55] too there's not a lot of shoe commercials and shoe deals and things like that so they're

[00:46:01] doing a lot of collaborative stuff like New Balance has like four or five players like Tyrese

[00:46:05] Maxey, Cameron Britt, Jamal Murray's in the course they got. They're all in the same commercial

[00:46:13] so it's like it's not like Jordan and Spike Lee right in a commercial and it's like this

[00:46:17] is about Jordan. So now all the guys are getting deals they're signing on to wear other

[00:46:23] guys shoes like Chet Hongren is the face of KD's new shoe is like that's KD's shoe.

[00:46:30] So I think it's gonna be tough because like I said before I don't think a lot of these guys

[00:46:35] have the personality and the skills that attract people. I think LeBron's marketability was he

[00:46:45] just was so big and so good and he was he was being marketed very young. Same thing with a

[00:46:51] guy like Bryce Harper in baseball or you know Kobe when he finally got his his run but Kobe

[00:46:58] showed a lot of personality Vince Carter showed a lot of personality. You watch the dunk

[00:47:02] contest over the last few years those guys don't throw it on a dope dunk but it's like

[00:47:09] you look kind of like a just some dude playing basketball. I was gonna say how much of that

[00:47:14] was like nothing memorable. How much of that do you think also boils that to the slam dunk

[00:47:21] point? Yeah how much of that do you think boils down to superstars just don't do the

[00:47:26] slam dunk contest anymore? The thing is I think your superstars were all old dudes

[00:47:33] for all these years. For the last few years your superstars have been Steph, LeBron,

[00:47:39] KD, James Harden, Embiid, you got Jokic not a dunker, Luca not a dunker. You need somebody

[00:47:45] like Devin Booker to do the slam dunk contest. You need Ant should have been in the dunk

[00:47:52] contest. You need Ant you need I'm trying to think see Jamal Murray's not a big dunker.

[00:48:00] No you know there's a there's a John Jama ranch should have been in it so like these athletic

[00:48:08] freaks that we have those guys should have been in it especially if they have little

[00:48:14] personal because it's like a buffet. You can have you don't need to have everything on your buffet

[00:48:22] but you got to have like some signature dishes that people come to your buffet for.

[00:48:27] Like I was I was thinking about this earlier this restaurant North Carolina I don't know the name

[00:48:30] but I would give it credit but they only serve it's a steak place they only serve ribeye

[00:48:36] that's it so you come in you book your seat and people tailgate in the parking lot because

[00:48:41] the line is so long so people just come hang out and drink beers in the parking lot and wait for

[00:48:45] their turn to get into the restaurant and like what kind of was how big of a ribeye do you want

[00:48:50] like that's all we serve. So you have a steakhouse that might have t-bones filet mignon

[00:48:56] sirloins and ribeyes and like they have all this other stuff to come along with it the

[00:49:02] potatoes again get a hot plate that and that's one way to do it with your restaurant but

[00:49:08] like you always serve ribeyes so as long as you give me a great ribeye that's good to go so long

[00:49:14] as you have like the personality and the thing that makes people want to watch you and then you

[00:49:20] sprinkle in your 20 points of game you're dunking and maybe a little you know when we do

[00:49:27] your post-game interview it's entertaining you know you're a little funny like you know talk

[00:49:32] about yeah I told him motherfuckers I was coming back something like that like the way Keon

[00:49:36] Coleman is kind of captivating right now with with the bills is authentic all he said was like

[00:49:41] Macy's what you mean like yeah nice little deal 79 89 like and it's authentic because he was

[00:49:46] just having a comment he didn't know the mic was on right you need to be able to find players

[00:49:52] like that in the league. So looking back somebody like Paul George was he not marketable or was

[00:49:59] not good enough to be a part of that. He was unfortunately in the the

[00:50:08] the era of guys his size that was still better than him because he is an anomaly like I said

[00:50:13] he was the like with Jason Tatum that's six nine six ten ball handler who can defend shoot

[00:50:20] the three like I think he might even be a better ball handler than like KD but KD is

[00:50:24] just such a better scorer than Paul George is not the same so he just kind of was in that mix

[00:50:30] and he was battling with LeBron into Miami Heedles and then he was moving around from

[00:50:35] team to team to team and everywhere he went he was coming up against another guy that was

[00:50:40] just as much of a unicorn as he was and you you just couldn't break through and he was

[00:50:46] never going to be the best player on a championship team because guys like LeBron,

[00:50:51] Steph, KD, Giannis you know because all these other guys are like individual players like better

[00:50:58] than him like their numbers are always better they've always been the leader of the team

[00:51:03] ever since Indiana days I don't think he's been the focal point of the team but I think

[00:51:09] his podcast shows that he has great personality but that might just be a byproduct of like just

[00:51:14] age and experience like oh this is this is my lane and this is the avenue that I have

[00:51:18] or who he's talking to you know he's comfortable yeah he's comfortable he's talking to NBA players

[00:51:23] WNBA players some celebrities uh he's just like I said and he it is I think he's with people

[00:51:29] that he really likes so he gets to show it so a lot of guys get to show their personality

[00:51:33] Draymond's podcast is I don't find that interesting at all it's like I've never

[00:51:38] I've never listened to it it's him by himself just talking is weird it's weird he was doing

[00:51:44] like in a hotel like during the finals right it's like he's like this isn't as this isn't

[00:51:48] I need more character to it and I think a good personality a good player just kind of invites

[00:51:55] that that character aspect of the player right so so like I know the NFL is a little

[00:52:02] bit harder just because you know outside of quarterbacks we don't get to see a lot of

[00:52:07] their faces you know you brought up Keon Coleman who you know is going to be great for a

[00:52:13] sound bite for years to come yeah you know but like even like I don't know like back in the

[00:52:20] day I don't want to do the old man thing but you know like you were talking about the suits

[00:52:24] on draft night and all that stuff and how you were how you liked you know how the players

[00:52:28] were looking and everything like what they were wearing you know and I remember you know you

[00:52:32] had people like Jalen Rose back in the day you know like like their suits and things that

[00:52:38] just stand out you know what I mean and there's like certain sound bites that stand out so when

[00:52:43] I look at so when I look at Keon Coleman he's the only rookie from the NFL perspective so far

[00:52:50] that I've really seen that out of well I like I like Xavier LeGette the the country

[00:52:57] accent I think right right and being in planet Carolina that's gonna be huge that's

[00:53:01] probably gonna be huge for them locally because he went to South Carolina yeah he went to South

[00:53:05] Carolina he's and he's gonna be playing in Carolina they're gonna get they don't have any

[00:53:10] prime time games so I think locally I can see him being marketed billboards and stuff like that

[00:53:18] I just sometimes I think people just assume that the player that they like should be

[00:53:27] on billboards do you think that you need a little something do you think that media you

[00:53:33] know the ESPNs of the world and people like that do you think that I don't want to say

[00:53:40] they don't take enough chances or whatever but do you think that there's room for more

[00:53:47] people to be marketed than currently are absolutely we saw we seen it happen already

[00:53:52] we've seen the power of social media because we talk about this already and I'm gonna pull

[00:53:58] it up right now real quick so Asia Wilson like I said and I had a conversation

[00:54:07] this shoe is kind of bright but this is the cosmic two she has a cosmic three

[00:54:16] it wasn't her signature shoe but this shoe was marketed on Nike is like the shoe she wears

[00:54:22] yeah yeah her like this is like her her shoe but it wasn't her signature shoe right

[00:54:30] but it wasn't marketed like as aggressively and it wasn't announced it met with like any kind of

[00:54:41] uh they didn't get any any media coverage the way Caitlin Clark's shoe deal was announced only

[00:54:48] four up to that point before Caitlin Clark got her deal only two there's only three

[00:54:54] yes three I think it was like Brianna Stewart Sabrina and that's good uh and another player

[00:55:02] I think it was another white player I can't I can't remember it wasn't Kelsey Plum who

[00:55:05] was on the championship team it was somebody else I can't remember I think uh it wasn't it

[00:55:10] wasn't Diana Tarazi who was a legend so she didn't have the signature shoe deal so

[00:55:14] it just wasn't that many deals across the league but when when uh Jamel Hill said

[00:55:21] so you mean to tell me Asia Wilson is not marketable it got the the wheels going but like I said they

[00:55:27] already had a shoe they already had enough data that says well she has two-time champion

[00:55:35] finals MVP we've already gave her this colorway we made another we made a cosmic three she's

[00:55:41] wearing that this year now let's just give her her own shoe um but that would say that was after

[00:55:47] Caitlin Clark but I think that might maybe that was in the works maybe it wasn't but if ESPN is

[00:55:52] having conversations instead of saying who doesn't have a deal yeah I think they could

[00:55:58] just say something like you know what like this conversation we're having now they have

[00:56:03] so many shows that every show doesn't need to cover the Lakers the Cowboys Dax they can

[00:56:09] just have conversation with people who like sports it has to be someone in the building

[00:56:13] who thinks like you and I if not they can hire us I'm available holler at me I'll move to Bristol

[00:56:19] I'll do it from here whatever you need I'll set the studio up just give us a call we'll send

[00:56:24] you the clip and you and I can have these conversations because all you really need is

[00:56:27] exposure because I don't think anybody knew who Asia Wilson was and I've been I'm in a couple

[00:56:31] of sports groups dudes are going ham I've seen so many WNBA posts over the last three

[00:56:35] weeks and I've been in these groups for four years and see one so it's just a matter of like

[00:56:41] you are like you said the worldwide leader in sports they create the conversation and let

[00:56:45] and let the world do the buzz because I think they're they're grasping for it

[00:56:50] but they're like you know what we don't know we don't have our posts quite on

[00:56:54] the sports world which is ironic for that channel so we'll just talk about random like

[00:57:00] Austin River saying that 30 guys in the NBA could be the NFL it was people really losing their mind

[00:57:05] over it versus how Rashad Mendehal said black versus white and everyone kind of ran with it

[00:57:11] comedically like they were like okay cool we're gonna be we're gonna get beat at corner

[00:57:15] we'd be good at safety we'll get beat at corner right so that's gonna be our downfall

[00:57:20] there's like defensive line I think we're solid you know so guys like ran with it

[00:57:24] in a comedy way so like that was a good conversation I just think something's wrong

[00:57:29] with me sometimes because like you know I posted in the chat today you know like

[00:57:35] the video of Drake Mays no look pass and you know Caleb Williams with a dart but like for real

[00:57:42] though I don't care about that shit like I like I want to see them with helmets on I want to

[00:57:48] see them on the field I want to see them during a game I don't care about training camp throws

[00:57:53] I don't care about you know like the one thing I did care about was Justin Fields doing

[00:57:58] the running back drills I didn't care about that yeah but like once again context is key

[00:58:02] I know I know Russ was in that line too I think it was all the guys that probably like

[00:58:10] and I think it was a few guys who like the receiver that might get jet sweeps

[00:58:14] it was a few of those guys that it was like a guy I don't know who number 10 is uh

[00:58:20] I think it might have been Scotty Miller and so one of those dots which is your

[00:58:24] Western Conference finals MVP the Magic Johnson award absolutely yeah it was that was it's crazy

[00:58:31] that they're in NBA finals it's dope I like it I like this for the league I know Minnesota

[00:58:37] has the personalities now Adidas now what's on you Adidas you got Kat I mean you got

[00:58:44] Ant he's out but people are still gonna be talking about the NBA for a while

[00:58:50] you might want to put out another shoe a couple more commercials maybe get his agent in there

[00:58:58] get him in another basketball movie some of these teens might want to do more like uh

[00:59:04] like those hard knocks kind of shows where you get that behind the scene I remember seeing um

[00:59:10] the two uh with the with the camera on his helmet I think if you give

[00:59:15] if you allow the social media machine to kind of create a little buzz because like I said

[00:59:23] what Tua was seeing with that helmet I was like man it is tough to play quarterback

[00:59:27] so if you put that you put that on Drake May and then you get those behind the scenes

[00:59:31] conversations when they're going over to play calls uh like not necessarily like a full-on

[00:59:36] hard knocks but like that that kind of approach to where right social media teams

[00:59:42] social media teams for NFL teams NBA teams MLB teams are driving the narrative instead of make

[00:59:48] instead of sitting around waiting for ESPN to come do a feature or like how uh Rick

[00:59:53] Carlisle talked about you listen I know a small market teams you can do stuff within your

[00:59:59] confines of your organization that projects Tyrese Halliburton to America you know what's

[01:00:05] funny about that you say that like I've never watched that episode of hard knocks

[01:00:10] I probably I watched when AB was on I'm just not interested in that type of stuff I'm interested

[01:00:15] in the sport like you know what I mean like me myself I'm interested in the sport like I talk

[01:00:19] about how I'm not that into the Olympics like I just want to watch a game that has I want to

[01:00:26] watch a game that has standings that has trophies that has rival you know what like

[01:00:31] that's just me I don't care about the Olympics at all I like the Olympics because I think about

[01:00:36] all the work that these athletes put in and like the small window that they have to like

[01:00:43] make a great thing happen right right and I think I think that I watch like there's things

[01:00:48] that I watch like I will watch the Olympics you know I watched Usain Bolt back in the day

[01:00:53] you know I'll watch I'll watch I'll watch the 10k if the end is exciting enough I watched

[01:00:59] Marianne Jones you know I watched Javelin I watched the discus I watched whatever comes on

[01:01:07] when I was a little kid like Dan versus Dan and like Penteflon or whatever it's called you

[01:01:13] know like I was I was into that as a kid but as an adult I'm just like just give me NFL or

[01:01:20] look out but look out quickly look out quickly we talk about uh marketability is Eli Manning

[01:01:27] in of itself his personality marketable no not really you win a Super Bowl you immediately

[01:01:35] get commercials so now you take the helmet off you're in commercials everywhere

[01:01:39] Peyton's hilarious and I think Eli is pretty pretty cool but if he doesn't win he's not

[01:01:46] Peyton yet and I think and and Cooper Cooper's probably the funniest one because he does a lot

[01:01:51] of like you know things for ESPN at different like little shows whether that the mic and

[01:01:55] these are just tuxedo and different little events I think they all have the personality

[01:01:59] their you know their football royalty Kurt Warner same thing Kurt Warner like sometimes you get

[01:02:05] these guys on tv Steve Mariucci he probably wasn't a great coach but like his his energy

[01:02:11] on tv works Stan Van Gundy probably not a great coach but between him and Jeff I love

[01:02:16] watching games when those guys are calling the Hubie Brown so it's not all about like how

[01:02:20] personal looks is all about does this person feel authentic to what I'm getting as far as

[01:02:27] entertaining I always thought now injuries obviously didn't help my case for what I'm

[01:02:31] about to say but I always thought like Kawhi was like could have been marketable just from

[01:02:37] the standpoint I mean you know we made Boban we made Boban marketable I mean he was even

[01:02:43] in John Wick but you know but like Kawhi with the quiet dude like he could just be

[01:02:47] the dude that doesn't talk much and you just get one sound bite and that could be the commercial

[01:02:52] like you know we had to laugh when we've when we heard his laugh for the first time

[01:02:58] you could have got five commercials off of that yeah but the thing is he really doesn't

[01:03:02] like because in one of the clips of Paul George is talking about I was talking about

[01:03:09] that commercial with Cameron Brink and Jamal Murray Kawhi Leonard Tari Samax they all have

[01:03:15] new balance deals not necessarily signature shoes but they all have new balance deals

[01:03:19] and Cameron she's had one for a past like since NIL has been legal I've seen her in a few

[01:03:23] commercials and a couple different events through social media she said Kawhi was like

[01:03:28] yo is this over can we go and Paul was like yo that's how he is all the time

[01:03:32] but you could make a commercial of that if we we go anywhere and it was like if it's

[01:03:36] a set time limit and it's getting close to that time limit Kawhi's like yo who didn't

[01:03:40] love Oscar the Grouch and like you know back in our day when we were little kids who didn't

[01:03:46] like the I don't even remember his name but the grumpy care I think it was grumpy bear actually

[01:03:50] from the Care Bears like you know we got like we fall in love with those characters that are

[01:03:55] just kind of like because it's like that's literally his personality that's his yeah

[01:04:03] like LeBron's first year with the Heat and he said he was playing the villain he was

[01:04:06] like it didn't feel natural and I'm like he's like that's why he's like a lot of that

[01:04:09] contributed to you know how it felt he was like you know what I'm not gonna do that anymore and

[01:04:14] like Kevin Durant embraced the villain role and when he did he probably had the best three

[01:04:20] years of his career right so it just depends on like but it was like it was authentic to him

[01:04:24] in that and that moment Steph is a jovial guy he's a happy guy but then when he gets

[01:04:29] pissed you can see it but he knows when he's on like he like you said you called him a

[01:04:33] front runner it might not be a bad thing but he really likes to be out front so he makes

[01:04:37] sure like I'm gonna take 1500 shots at the practice to make sure I can drop 30 tomorrow

[01:04:44] against the world and it's like I do my shimmy so you know it's like I say just right now I

[01:04:49] think the guys that are considered marketable it's easy for ESPN to do it because they

[01:04:55] LeBron does it for you Katie does it for you Nike handles a lot of other stuff

[01:05:00] uh cool sometimes it's just the city you play in so if Katie was playing in in New York

[01:05:08] he's on every itself yeah he's on all the time like when he was in Brooklyn even on the

[01:05:14] bench he was constantly it was like video clips of him on the bench talking to kids and

[01:05:18] stuff like that so it's just a matter of where you are like James Harden I thought

[01:05:22] James Harden would have been good with the beard right but it started to feel like a

[01:05:28] gimmick Russell Westbrook Russell Westbrook with the fashion and it was like oh this is fake

[01:05:34] like no this is really how Russ is and then that spread so now they have people

[01:05:40] excuse me they've done it before but that's kind of like his influence but he doesn't come

[01:05:46] with the celebrity personality that comes along with the the aesthetic that he brings to the

[01:05:53] arena so it's kind of hard like you just got to like Russ you gotta like the way he plays he's

[01:05:58] like this is how I look this is me this is how I dress this is what I'm gonna wear this is what

[01:06:04] I feel like I like fashion like that and I play hard right I'm not here to be your buddy

[01:06:09] whereas LeBron might come off as like hey I'm here to be friendly I'm here to be your friend

[01:06:14] I'm here to to think about the future and I'm you know real diplomatic with it Paul George

[01:06:20] pretty much the same way Mello was always one of those guys that's real jovial and personable

[01:06:25] that was their avenues but it isn't for everybody NBA I think Jai like I don't think he ever had a

[01:06:32] chance to face the NBA um because I don't know if Memphis was gonna be able to win enough

[01:06:39] that was one thing and because he's injury prone because he was small and

[01:06:43] but the trouble he was getting into like it all is all of it just kind of ran together

[01:06:48] they were back he could bounce back from the trouble I mean but to be fair you know they were

[01:06:53] the two seed you know uh before everything unraveled you know so they were they were

[01:06:58] up that two seed team doesn't look anything like that team anymore for the most part I think

[01:07:04] you might have a lot of those pieces are gone and then Jai I know you signed a rookie

[01:07:11] extension so is he gonna be out for another one is that gonna cost them 60 million a year

[01:07:17] and how much how many pieces they keep around just like Zion if Zion could ever stay healthy

[01:07:22] you know like he just does I'm not Zion doesn't have the personality at all he literally has the

[01:07:28] same haircut since Duke but you don't have but like that but that's what I'm saying like for me

[01:07:32] at least at least maybe I'm just the different one here but I don't necessarily think that

[01:07:40] and when you say personality you know my interpretation of that is like charming or funny

[01:07:46] or like you know he looks boring I'm not trying to be like I'm not trying to be like a yeah I mean

[01:07:52] but like the the weight the swag on the court non-existent like it just it just looks like a

[01:08:00] just a big athlete which is fine commercials about him blowing out his shoes or like you

[01:08:05] know what I mean or just just doing abnormal extraordinary things a new haircut you gotta be

[01:08:13] he literally doesn't get it like his faith I think he was doing the parts for a while

[01:08:18] but it's still the same little mike tyson box no shape up on the front no like the drip

[01:08:27] the shoes are kind of dope like if you look at some of these shoes like

[01:08:30] his shoes are like a lot of I think my my yeah my son plays in his shoe and it's a dope

[01:08:36] looking shoe right but my son is more swagged out in zion shoes than zion is

[01:08:43] and he's 15 and he doesn't have NBA money to buy his stuff he has like bad money and he's

[01:08:50] still like more swagged out then like he literally got tossed off the court today

[01:08:53] because he still has earrings and like I mean I mean like again he probably can't wear

[01:08:57] earrings again anyway but it's like that kind of approach to it is like that's part of it

[01:09:04] it's not all just making buckets and then his availability and then when he when he's not

[01:09:09] available he gets like the rumor about him like getting up to like 300 pounds and then

[01:09:13] the whole situation with the porn star made him look kind of goofy that made him look like a

[01:09:18] sucker and it was I don't know he probably got some more fans after that nah she got a

[01:09:22] lot of fans her shit went up 5 000 percent I was reading articles about it like it went up

[01:09:28] crazy she got a lot of fans we all look like people out there she's looking like somebody

[01:09:34] from the ants I'm not trying to be me but you know I'm trying to keep shame anybody

[01:09:37] a lot of sick people but like I said he he came off looking kind of goofy yeah and kind

[01:09:43] of simpy like whatever everybody you know everybody simps for someone but like he came

[01:09:47] off looking like all right so you don't have any swag on the court sucker for love and

[01:09:53] then you're a sucker for a stripper and a porn star you're never on the court he's like yeah

[01:10:00] you can't be the first hey that's marketable right there how many men in america have fell

[01:10:03] in love with a stripper ha you only on instagram at he on instagram baby revealed parties and

[01:10:12] the porn star blowing up his twitter talking about all this wild stuff it's like him crying

[01:10:17] and shit like oh yeah it's like come on man like and then he got that the walk is kind of

[01:10:22] like you're gonna game zion you're gonna game zion zion the uh can go and did a commercial i need

[01:10:28] love you know you're gonna make fun of that he looked like he had the west his nice part six

[01:10:34] new jack city haircut like that's what i'm saying is like it just it it's it's a lot

[01:10:39] of things I have to work in your favor right right marketable um and I just I just feel like

[01:10:47] like I said I felt like this for years that like Lonzo Ball Lonzo Ball was a kid from LA

[01:10:54] had two brothers that were gonna come up behind him they're gonna be in the NBA he had a dad

[01:11:00] that was literally out there marketing in his shoe for $500 so he beat Jordan 101

[01:11:06] Facebook TV show and then you talked to Lonzo Ball and he's like yeah you know I just want

[01:11:10] to play basketball you know just you know my dad's my dad you know he's just I don't know

[01:11:14] man his love his Kyle Kuzma this was kind of fire though I didn't know he had one because

[01:11:20] like it just I got his album on my iTunes okay there we go that's the problem right there I

[01:11:27] even know he had an album out number two draft pick from LA you get drafted by the Lakers

[01:11:33] and you just they were just boring yeah it just was like same thing but like cat even to

[01:11:40] some degree AD is like none of them like really take the spotlight on right you know even Devin

[01:11:48] Booker Devin Booker was data Kardashian and there's like it couldn't like yo you should

[01:11:54] be on billboards or something like there's room for a big man because I mean since Dwight

[01:11:58] Howard and Shaq you know like there's room for a big man to come in and get that lane

[01:12:03] right now especially with the lack of big men in the league right now I just think the NBA

[01:12:11] the league ESPN I think they're so inundated with the mystery of how long Lebron's gonna play

[01:12:21] they I think the the Golden State Warrior dynasty can stay together because they haven't made

[01:12:27] it I have I don't recall hearing anything about Golden State making any moves Dre Monceau

[01:12:32] on the roster Clay's on the roster you know you got Orlando they have young talent but it's not

[01:12:40] being broadcast to the world the way it should right it should be like I said it should be a

[01:12:47] there should be like segments on ESPN where they just go to local

[01:12:53] podcasters and give them you know like this week okay we have you know from Orlando we

[01:12:59] got this podcast Orlando hooligans you know they're gonna talk about all things sports in

[01:13:04] the Florida area get them vetted get them on tv because like a guy like Dan Laboratory's in Miami

[01:13:11] I didn't know who he was really but as soon as they put him on tv I'm like I like this guy

[01:13:15] yeah him and Balmonte Jones together with his with his pops oh yeah that was one of my

[01:13:21] favorite shows highly questionable yeah it just was it just great yeah what I heard

[01:13:25] about when I heard poppy rapping notorious thugs I was my favorite part of that is that

[01:13:33] whoever the co-hosts are they just sit there like they're just like sitting there like this

[01:13:38] why he's doing it like yeah and it's like I know they're dying inside because he did like

[01:13:43] some little Wayne lyrics a couple times I was like yo this is funny but it works and I

[01:13:49] think and I think LeBretard he from what I can recall I remember he didn't follow like the same

[01:13:56] a block b block c block as like all the other shows well he had his guests on air for being

[01:14:01] a sports show that wasn't about sports like he delved into other things they had um

[01:14:07] Ron McGill the animal guy you know on there every Tuesday different things like that he

[01:14:13] went to the beat of his own drum so like he would actually call out ESPN even though he worked for

[01:14:20] them you know he'd talk about what are they talking about on first take why are they talking

[01:14:24] about LeBron again like he you know he was that guy I mean obviously he's not at ESPN

[01:14:29] anymore but uh but his show was big enough that they got another deal and they're still

[01:14:36] out there as a podcast and everything so yeah so I think I think the state of sports

[01:14:42] it's aligned a lot with the state of sports media and like I say you're you and I are probably one

[01:14:47] of 100 podcasts that started about sports in the last year if I had to take a walk I mean

[01:14:53] you said it yourself we had a 20-minute argument about the Tennessee Titans last week

[01:14:58] yeah a very authentic articulated argument where we both made solid points I think

[01:15:05] Ryan Tannehill was getting a raw deal these are reasons why but when you get people on TV

[01:15:12] I don't know if they like I said I don't know if they're really into the idea of having a

[01:15:16] conversation about sports or just a matter of like I talk about sports on TV so I'm at work

[01:15:21] right I'll get these notes from my assistant and then we'll get these notes from the

[01:15:25] producer right at these talking points and we'll give we'll give the Mavs Minnesota series

[01:15:33] we'll give it eight minutes in the A in the B block but we're going to start off with this

[01:15:37] JJ Reddick rumor in the A block we're gonna talk about that for 16 minutes go to commercial

[01:15:41] yeah like I remember I think it was 300 bars by the game and he said uh 50 the wrong one

[01:15:49] to ask for help with your rhymes because all he's going to do is tell you to say G unit

[01:15:53] one more time and you know and that's how ESPN is like if you're looking for sports

[01:15:57] coverage ESPN ain't the place because all they're going to do is say LeBron one more time

[01:16:02] all they're going to do is say Jerry Jones one more time all they're going to do you know like it

[01:16:07] just goes on and on and then when you turn on the Fox it ain't that much better you know they

[01:16:13] do the same thing as well which was was weird because they have the personalities that we knew

[01:16:19] from ESPN a lot of them they don't could have took it somewhere else they and they did for a

[01:16:24] while for a while it was a lot like first like you had you had Undisputed but Undisputed kind of

[01:16:32] got Undisputed it was different in the beginning and then Skip was different and then it became

[01:16:39] Tebow Baker Jerry Jones LeBron Jordan Tom Brady and that was every day yeah so you know

[01:16:50] 300 days a year or two every weekday so you figure you get 104

[01:16:56] why we'd be literally in the middle of game sevens and 260 episodes and you can count

[01:17:04] on Dallas being a topic LeBron being a topic Lakers being a topic Tom Brady being a topic

[01:17:13] and then they would bring their friends in and rehash all the same thing over and over

[01:17:16] in the second hour yeah and then they'd bring Michael they bring Michael Irvin in to talk about

[01:17:21] the Cowboys in the second hour why I want to see this is championship NFL football

[01:17:31] show me Mike show me Michael Irvin talking about the Pittsburgh Steelers how about that

[01:17:36] talking about cover two defense something something just give me something else

[01:17:41] that's why I like listening to Ryan Clark because he'll say stuff like yeah we were in

[01:17:44] the fire zone and like when I play Madden I'm like okay that's dope like I like when

[01:17:49] I like that aspect of it like when uh John Bruno put guys on the board you know

[01:17:54] XY spider Y banana something like that like that play that he loves so much

[01:18:00] I like those conversations because I really like sports I don't need takes that move the needle

[01:18:06] that's what Twitter is for that's what Instagram is for give me a show I want the

[01:18:11] rookie quarterbacks I want them on the board breaking down plays the the pre-draft interviews

[01:18:19] or or like hey what are you learning now like oh this is like Caleb Williams this is a concept

[01:18:25] we ran at USC I'll give you this play it's called gun right monster and that means we're

[01:18:33] gonna be trips right this way I'm gonna be in shotgun I'm gonna have this guy do this

[01:18:37] and I'm looking for this I'm looking for that that's more interesting to me than you asking

[01:18:44] him what he thinks of the season he says I think sky's the limit with me and Rome coming in

[01:18:49] and it's like do you think he can make the Super Bowl like that's not like how do we jump

[01:18:53] to that how do we extrapolate do you think he can get to the Super Bowl off him saying I

[01:18:57] think sky's the limit or he could just say hey did you see how he broke down that play

[01:19:02] x-rayed gun monster yeah I saw something with Michael Pidick I thought something

[01:19:06] with Michael Pidick's breaking down some film one day and I was impressed number one you know

[01:19:11] what I mean and number two I was like why don't I see more of this or like you know they talk

[01:19:15] about we don't know if Drake May is going to be the starter or not or like you know oh did

[01:19:20] the Patriots make a mistake well let us see him break down and play you know let us see him

[01:19:24] you know like why not have these guys I don't know I don't want to say an interview or

[01:19:30] whatever but maybe like you know at the end of the game you know Charles and them

[01:19:36] talked to like the star of the game Luca whoever you know you can have a moment like a little

[01:19:40] three minute Drake May shows up on ESPN or whatever sports center and just just have a

[01:19:47] conversation you know what they can have a guy like like Drake May you might compare him

[01:19:54] what was your first day of training camp like who who's a guy in the league that Drake May

[01:20:00] can probably like say a lot of people compared them to Herbert and so like Herbert or Josh

[01:20:06] Allen so you put up a Josh Allen play for him to watch and then you know you get like

[01:20:14] a former coach like a John Gruden and he breaks down that play with a lot of people comparing

[01:20:18] you to these two guys let's bring you have done on this play what do you see here why do you

[01:20:24] what do you why do you think he went here with the ball like oh well this why the

[01:20:28] the safety came down in the box and he checked this and you can even have it be a play where

[01:20:32] like Josh Allen threw a pick and be like what went wrong there you know whatever well what

[01:20:38] what did you think he saw or are going to touch down or like or we see him look look

[01:20:44] like do you can you do you pick up things and I think that's the thing is like it's a sports

[01:20:49] channel it's not just it's not a sports talk channel yeah I used to say it all that's why I

[01:20:57] stopped watching like yes that's why I stopped watching first take and undisputed like yo it

[01:21:02] feels like the view was sports as a backdrop right so it is what it is but yo you gonna

[01:21:09] get the real sports all the time I might even say 365 on sports reports is ordered you know

[01:21:17] we are signing off we will be back on Monday he is your even kill absolutely do not bring

[01:21:26] feelings to a fat fight because I'll make you want to fight me the one and only Mr.

[01:21:32] Logical still in these streets being a hypocrite arguing this Jordan LeBron stuff

[01:21:37] and then I am trying to avoid it man but I'm just I'm still good you know I am

[01:21:44] two five you know said we got Deontay Wilder on Saturday you know we got Dustin Poirier on

[01:21:51] Saturday we got Celtics and Mavericks starting next Thursday before you blink

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