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[00:01:38] We usually like to start off the show for those of you that I knew what a little something

[00:01:42] called get it off my chest.

[00:01:44] But that entails is we take something from the sports world that has piqued our interest

[00:01:50] if you will.

[00:01:52] And then we talk about it for a few minutes just on some of the others is bothering me

[00:01:56] or I like this, whatever it may be.

[00:01:59] Exactly, exactly.

[00:02:00] I'm going to start it real quick because I like what Mr. logical has in store for us

[00:02:05] and get it off my chest.

[00:02:07] But my get it off my chest is actually a reminder for you all out there.

[00:02:15] Because I woke up this morning, I looked at the calendar.

[00:02:20] It said February 1st.

[00:02:22] And you know by the time we got to kindergarten all that we knew that following February

[00:02:30] is March.

[00:02:32] The madness is here.

[00:02:36] So why is the madness here because in two days, we got Duke against North Carolina.

[00:02:45] Top 10 matchup as it should be Kentucky against Tennessee is good Zagas reign of terror

[00:02:54] over they lost the Santa Clara this year for the first time since 2011 and now they got

[00:03:00] Saint Mary.

[00:03:01] They lose this game to Saint Mary's in the kennel on Saturday.

[00:03:05] They fall two games out of first place is the reign of terror over we got the national

[00:03:12] champions, the Fint and National Champions number one, the Yukon Huskies.

[00:03:18] You know, we got Florida Atlantic and San Diego State still winning games but San Diego

[00:03:24] States not even in first place in their conference.

[00:03:26] And Mr. logical spent all last March madness talking about how we don't know none

[00:03:31] of these players we watching the NBA draft where are they but hey, watch North Carolina.

[00:03:38] Watch North Carolina.

[00:03:39] They got RJ Davis who's back.

[00:03:42] He's going to be in a national player to hear conversation so that'll be a player

[00:03:46] that you know, you know, San, but ladies and gentlemen, the madness is coming.

[00:03:53] And for me, the madness is already here.

[00:03:58] All I got.

[00:04:02] Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful.

[00:04:03] He's talking about college basketball with like the build our blocks so we kind of transition

[00:04:08] naturally.

[00:04:09] So it does this kind of works in our favor.

[00:04:11] If you tune into NFL network right now, you have the East West shrine bowl is going to

[00:04:15] be filled with a lot of young athletes football players trying to make their way to the NFL.

[00:04:21] They want to show you their skills.

[00:04:23] They want to show you their speed shuttle run the 40 the jump of the ability to catch an

[00:04:28] ability to block an ability to tackle the ability to really defense ability to read

[00:04:32] a room their interviews.

[00:04:35] They want to showcase you know, two three four years whatever amount of you know, amount

[00:04:40] of film they put on that they can show all these in the field scouts coaches GM's owners

[00:04:45] so forth and so on.

[00:04:47] So what that being said stop asking these black players about their terrible upbringing

[00:04:53] if they had one.

[00:04:55] That is not the key.

[00:04:57] I don't want to know how he felt about growing up in foster care.

[00:05:00] I want to know how good is he feeling by himself being a football player when asked that

[00:05:04] can he be to a football team?

[00:05:06] I don't want to hear about oh, what was your relationship like with your mother?

[00:05:11] Was she on drugs and if she was on drugs, I don't want that to be the focal point of

[00:05:16] the draft pros and cons or something interesting about this young man.

[00:05:21] He grew up with his grandmother because his mother was in prison and his dad was shot

[00:05:26] in the drive by that sounds outrageous, but it happens every single year.

[00:05:31] I understand that struggle mixes tougher.

[00:05:34] I understand that steel sharpened steel.

[00:05:36] I'm stubborn iron, but if I'm interviewing you, I want to know about how you feel about

[00:05:42] football, how do you enjoy your time at Auburn?

[00:05:45] How do you learn from this senior quarterback that was ahead of you when you were a freshman

[00:05:50] when you got to Ohio State?

[00:05:51] I want to know what running back coach had the most impact on you.

[00:05:55] I want to know if the conditioning coach helped you hit your personal record in the squad.

[00:06:02] That's what I want to know about you.

[00:06:03] I don't want to know about the fact that your brother was shot in a drive by an East Powell

[00:06:09] Alto.

[00:06:10] I don't want to know that your sister is, you live with her when you were trying to get

[00:06:16] a juke like all that is great.

[00:06:18] What's your mom doing?

[00:06:19] I don't want to hear if your mom was a hooker because let's keep it a bean.

[00:06:24] Don't forget drafty hat.

[00:06:26] 12 touchdowns, 12 interceptions is your you got drafted.

[00:06:29] I don't think they asked him if his uncle was abusive or not.

[00:06:33] I didn't hear about whatever was going on in Trevor Lawrence's family.

[00:06:36] I don't know because I'm pretty sure everybody got a bad egg.

[00:06:39] Everybody got a bad seat.

[00:06:40] I don't know what's I don't know what happened in Baker Mayfield's family.

[00:06:45] Johnny Manzel was out in college acting the food and asking me to think about that.

[00:06:49] They were expecting to go number one overall.

[00:06:51] So I was asking the guy get it.

[00:06:52] His name might be called jacarrius or de Andre or whatever.

[00:06:57] It could be got them Tony Spanks, whatever his name is, whatever his life was about the

[00:07:05] outside of football.

[00:07:07] I do not want you to make that the highlight of why he should be interviewed in the halftime

[00:07:13] or in one of these breaks.

[00:07:16] This guy is grown man.

[00:07:18] His young men went out put his body on the line for free for the most part to get an

[00:07:24] opportunity to go in the NFL.

[00:07:25] The last thing he wants to talk about is living in the car with his grandma.

[00:07:30] So stop asking these dumbass questions, stop posting these dumbass questions and let's

[00:07:34] you know ask so and so about the uncle that dealt a little mess.

[00:07:39] And we know the demographic that deals with mess.

[00:07:43] It ain't mine.

[00:07:45] So if you're not asking about meth, you're not asking about trailer park life.

[00:07:50] If you're not asking about any of that, don't ask about being a foster child.

[00:07:54] Don't ask about dry buys or whatever case would be asking about how fast do you run the

[00:07:59] 40 yard dash?

[00:08:00] How many times can you bench press 225 pounds?

[00:08:04] That's it.

[00:08:06] Speaking of meth shot out to the Wu-Tain clan.

[00:08:11] You know what I'm saying Tony Spanks.

[00:08:13] I got a new name for my next 2k player.

[00:08:15] I don't know what I gave from like I was thinking to like banks.

[00:08:20] Oh, he's like, guys, me.

[00:08:22] You know what I said?

[00:08:23] Lloyd Banks, you know something.

[00:08:25] I don't know.

[00:08:26] But yeah, like the hooker one always gets me like, you know everybody talks about this

[00:08:31] Brian and you know his temper all this kind of stuff like and he had the temper that

[00:08:36] we think that he has.

[00:08:37] He'd punch that person that asked him that question.

[00:08:42] It's so ridiculous, man.

[00:08:43] It's like I saw it like literally that's what maybe that's what maybe because where was

[00:08:48] I when I was I think it was at my office.

[00:08:51] I can't remember where I was but it was on TV and one of the players going to interview

[00:08:58] like tell us about your time in foster care like now tell me about your time in Kentucky

[00:09:01] when you're running a football.

[00:09:03] Yeah, tell me tell me how you got 14 hundred yards rushing in 13 touchdowns like I want

[00:09:08] to know about that.

[00:09:09] Tell me how somehow you played great against Florida's athletes but you had trouble with

[00:09:15] Vanderbilt.

[00:09:17] You know tell me a real question like what if I'm talking to like a quarterback or something

[00:09:22] you know what who was your toughest opponent and why like what defense put you on your toes

[00:09:28] more than the rest of the defense that you believe.

[00:09:30] What covers you like to see when it's a go route in the route.

[00:09:33] Yeah, I like.

[00:09:34] I like.

[00:09:35] Yeah, I love throwing this route against cover two is one of my favorites.

[00:09:38] I love just fitting in between the safety and the corner cool.

[00:09:42] I don't want to hear about you.

[00:09:44] You just inspired me man, I'm going to take the WonderLick test tomorrow.

[00:09:47] You know, I'm taking it right there pretty good.

[00:09:50] I didn't know that there's too many numbers.

[00:09:51] I did better than Vince Young.

[00:09:53] I'll tell you that.

[00:09:55] Oh, man.

[00:09:57] No, come on Vince.

[00:09:59] We love you Vince.

[00:10:00] You know, I didn't hit Greg McElroy numbers but I definitely got Vince Young.

[00:10:06] You know, I'm saying so speech.

[00:10:09] You know, we got the award season coming up.

[00:10:13] You know, we're going to tell you who we think.

[00:10:15] First I want to think Mike and Nick.

[00:10:17] Oh, okay.

[00:10:18] Yeah, yeah.

[00:10:19] There you go.

[00:10:20] You know, Sam, we're going to tell you who we think is going to win the award like who

[00:10:26] the media is going to vote for and then we're going to tell you who we choose now.

[00:10:32] One month, we might agree on you know as far as with the media.

[00:10:35] But I think there's something probably don't agree on.

[00:10:37] So let's take it to the top.

[00:10:40] Mr. logical.

[00:10:42] Who is your MVP and why?

[00:10:44] All right, I've gone back and forth on this.

[00:10:48] Okay.

[00:10:50] I had I understand the gambling arts because every once in a while I like to get my little

[00:10:55] gamble on.

[00:10:58] I think it's a good thing to see the season MVP based on how the award has been given out

[00:11:08] for the last few years.

[00:11:12] It would be John.

[00:11:14] What?

[00:11:16] That's as the way the way the award's been given out he won big games down the stretch.

[00:11:23] Somebody to cut your mic.

[00:11:24] A lot of total touchdowns.

[00:11:27] He had more total touchdowns in the car.

[00:11:29] He had more total touchdowns in that he beat big teams.

[00:11:33] Yes, they struggled in the middle.

[00:11:36] The problem is the award isn't the most outstanding player.

[00:11:42] The ward isn't the NFL version of the Heisman.

[00:11:45] It's the most valuable player.

[00:11:48] We'll say what he got stuff on digs.

[00:11:50] The last six or seven games that fun digs have like 33 receptions.

[00:11:54] He was literally getting the ball to Dawson Knox, Gabe Davis, Shakir.

[00:12:04] Cook was running the ball well and he just was making things happen.

[00:12:10] Rush touchdowns.

[00:12:11] It wasn't all a push push like I like Jalen hurts but I think a lot of times when you get

[00:12:15] the ball done in the one when Swift ran it down 40 50 60 yards on the drive or you get

[00:12:21] the throw and what's the most important name.

[00:12:27] Brown can't AJ Brown can't get the ball in because he catches it.

[00:12:31] Any toe taps at the one and it was like we all know what's coming next.

[00:12:36] Eight or nine or Jalen touchdowns came from that.

[00:12:39] A lot of Josh Allen touchdowns came from granite was a fake slide against Pittsburgh.

[00:12:43] That didn't count but a lot of runs like that big runs.

[00:12:46] 12 13 yards, ground bulls running through the safety on the back end.

[00:12:51] He held down his routine.

[00:12:54] It looks bad in comparison because he lost the patch my homes and the playoffs but so did

[00:12:59] the guys play on a win MVP.

[00:13:01] So I wouldn't I wouldn't hold to get some but as far as every every year and the last

[00:13:07] four or five years it's essentially gone to the most TD wins productive quarterback.

[00:13:19] And he was that I know that is you know might be an argument based off my argument for

[00:13:26] Josh Allen someone can make that same argument for that.

[00:13:30] But that being such a high profile team they were good all year like they only the only

[00:13:36] lows were when they came across good teams.

[00:13:41] It wasn't like they had a bad stretch early where you were you know four and three and

[00:13:47] it was a bit of a struggle and then you're going to run.

[00:13:51] That was you know that nine wins but then they lose to Miami nine you know still sitting

[00:13:56] on ten wins lose the Buffalo you know like so it just was like you have a good team you

[00:14:02] just as a playmaker you're not consistent Josh Allen has some bad games early on and

[00:14:08] still ended up having you know most quarter touchdowns for you know keep up up there with

[00:14:14] total touchdowns for QB yards rush yards impact I mean it's coaches on the hot seat every

[00:14:20] every week off is a coordinator change maybe some of that is part of it but to overcome

[00:14:25] all that stuff mid season.

[00:14:28] I would say any other year Josh Allen would be the MVP candidate so I would have I probably

[00:14:35] would have cast my vote for because like I said I eliminated in like seven weeks ago.

[00:14:40] Even eight weeks ago I'm pretty sure like on this podcast I said not can't do it but

[00:14:45] then knowing that the reasons I gave like you know you gave away two or three games and

[00:14:51] then to come back and then to win you division and end up as a two C when people pretty

[00:14:57] much had you you know pegged as a team that was going to be in a rebuild week eight to be

[00:15:08] number two in the AFC you know for all sorts of purposes of tougher conference I'm like

[00:15:14] that's value to me to overcome but you you know your early setbacks grind still put up

[00:15:21] the numbers you put up still put up touchdowns you put up still put up the wins you put

[00:15:24] up tough games against individual you know opponents so I'm gonna go ahead say Josh

[00:15:32] Allen would have been my MVP vote if I had one.

[00:15:37] All right well ladies and gentlemen we just learned that Mr. logical will never have

[00:15:42] an MVP vote so on that note the on capacity so on that note all right we all know

[00:15:55] we didn't discuss this before and so whatever you said them argue everybody's gonna argue

[00:16:03] with me you know I'm too far anyway that'd be deck press cut you know said this is how

[00:16:08] this is how it goes so we all know Lamar Jackson will be the MVP and Lamar Jackson is the MVP

[00:16:17] if you don't look at the numbers you know if you just say this team without this player or hey

[00:16:27] look at his lack of receivers and Baltimore was able to do the things that they've done

[00:16:32] if you ignore the fact that they have the number one defense number one in points allow

[00:16:38] number one in yards allowed and you just want to give the quarterback the credit

[00:16:42] then Lamar Jackson's your MVP if you don't care about how your quarterback plays on the road

[00:16:51] if you want your quarterback to lead a team to a four and five road record if you want your quarterback

[00:16:59] to have one more road game then home games on the season but have 12 less completions his

[00:17:09] completion percentage goes down 7.4% on the road he has 424 more pass yards at home even though

[00:17:19] he had one more road game he has 81.5 less yards per game on the road than he does at home

[00:17:27] and he has eight less touchdowns on the road then that press got your MVP well that'd be right back

[00:17:34] I'm so glad with you Mike you know I said if if you want to give the quarterback the award

[00:17:45] and he's third in touchdowns in the league passing touchdowns I understand because back is first

[00:17:52] in passing touchdown so if you want your quarterback to be at least third but you're okay with

[00:17:58] your quarterback having a shitty three game stretch you're okay with your quarterback throwing four

[00:18:04] picks in their biggest game of the season then brought Perthys your MVP if it doesn't bother you

[00:18:15] that your quarterback is second in the league and interceptions with 18

[00:18:20] the fact that every week you live and die on whether he's going to make a mistake or not

[00:18:30] he's lost you a few games this season started you in a five and six hole that

[00:18:37] Mr. Logical just told you that he climbed out of then Josh Allen is your MVP

[00:18:43] but if you want a consistent player who brings it every week whether it's catching the ball whether

[00:18:53] it's running the ball that little engineer that could then you will join me and name Christian McCaffer

[00:19:00] your MVP because this is what I hate I talk to people throughout the year many years you know as former

[00:19:10] president Trump would say many many years I was talking to people and they told me that for running

[00:19:17] back to win the MVP they had to get 2000 yards or they had to break the all-time record and I was

[00:19:25] like well if that's the case they nobody going to win MVP because I saw a dirt Henry do that

[00:19:32] now with that being said why did I choose Christian McCaffer here's one reason he sat the last

[00:19:40] game of the season and still won the Russian title by 292 yards now here's reason number two with

[00:19:48] that what I just said and he still had eight less attempts the dirt Henry who finished second

[00:19:57] 292 yards behind him he's third in Russian TVs third in 20 yard rushes in 40 yard rushes

[00:20:05] he had 67 catches to go with 564 yards 8.4 yards of catch with seven touchdowns third in running

[00:20:12] back receptions second and running back yards the 49ers it's easy to say they live in Dio

[00:20:21] and brought her to you given what we saw in the playoffs the last two weeks but without Christian

[00:20:27] McCaffery at least that comeback against Green Bay doesn't even happen if he didn't hold the fort down

[00:20:35] now with Lamar Jackson you know I don't want to make it just a numbers argument

[00:20:43] but he had 24 pass and touchdowns I need my quarterback to make plays with his arms and his legs

[00:20:50] if possible but at the very least his arm because he's a quarterback you know and then if you're

[00:20:55] only going to have 24 Russian touchdowns I probably need you to have some kind of crazy number

[00:21:01] of Russian touchdowns like Josh Allen and Jill and Hertz both have 15 Russian touchdowns

[00:21:07] Lamar Jackson has five so that's 29 total touchdowns you know said but the Ravens did lead the

[00:21:16] league in Russian you know and obviously he's a big part of that so you have to give him credit for

[00:21:21] that and that goes back into the he means this much to the team that without his presence that's

[00:21:28] the Heisman vote that is a Heisman in the two years that Steve Nash got the MVP vote so if you're not

[00:21:38] gonna like I like I like I like I mean I'm not trying to knock Lamar but it's I am so you don't

[00:21:46] MVP MOP yeah so so if but that argument about he makes the offense go I can say that about

[00:21:58] that I can say that about Josh Allen as well but this is the other problem so if you if you're

[00:22:05] going to have 24 passing touchdowns you got to have the number of Russian touchdowns but you only

[00:22:11] got five so now you gotta have yards he's 17th in passing yards like if you're just looking at

[00:22:20] statistics he can't be your MVP is this a Lamar Jackson apology award no no because all the people

[00:22:29] have knocked him for is it because he never really makes he never ruffles feathers his team doesn't his

[00:22:41] fans don't his he doesn't nip at the heels of the other great because it's like his his other cop

[00:22:51] really the only person I'm gonna say the only but one of the people they you know his work is records

[00:22:56] is my fix because he's a running quarterback so you give a guy like Josh Allen that people would

[00:23:01] be kind of put comparing almost inadvertently to my homes and burrow and burrow my homes

[00:23:08] that both played in super balls so that knocks Josh Allen Cowboy fans are somewhat incredulous

[00:23:17] somewhat dantic getting my Steven A Smith over here so and then Jerry Jones is such a loony

[00:23:24] personality that that never really gets the head start because we talk about this with the AP

[00:23:31] voting for cause football when they start off the preseason polls 1 through 25 after like four

[00:23:38] weeks it really like the dust kind of settles from August all the way through September October 1st

[00:23:44] you know these are the teams I think sometimes we come into the season with these guys like

[00:23:50] this guy's gonna win MVP the Mars always he's always dynamic he's even in the loss with the the

[00:23:59] tip past that he caught I was driving almost sort of out the road I was watching the game and I saw

[00:24:05] it all and I had like correctness you know missile a pothole Jersey fill the potholes please the

[00:24:10] plows came through out the snow go back out there for the potholes thanks so he's so dynamic

[00:24:18] and I think it's personal is dynamic it's not the most of it's not like a overwearing

[00:24:22] personality even wins the losses I think people still like him and I think that kind of boost them up

[00:24:31] I don't know I don't know if the media likes that because he plays for Jerry Jones and the Cowboys

[00:24:37] and he makes someone unlikable you know what I think I think that the media tried the crown MVP's

[00:24:47] at different points during the season and Lamar was the last one standing I think that Lamar is

[00:24:52] the best player on the best team you know as far as record wise and everything so like when you look

[00:24:58] at it remember DAC was the MVP but then or actually it started with two of two was the MVP the two

[00:25:04] MVP part I never understood they they they never I never it was too early and I never understood it because

[00:25:11] Tyre Tyreck Hills numbers were so crazy right and the pace he was obviously a dependency here you

[00:25:21] know what I mean and then you have guys like Jalen Watt on the most and essentially they had

[00:25:27] NC double a Olympic track speed wearing shoulder pads for two of so it's like

[00:25:35] almost anyone could have thrown those ropes I'm not I'm not trying to stress two of

[00:25:39] but I didn't think he was like I don't think I don't I think the skill position players that he had

[00:25:45] were more valuable to Miami than him well for a lot of the season to have led in passing touchdowns

[00:25:52] you know until like near the very end they lost it was really far it wasn't like he was ever like

[00:25:57] no no no no no everybody else was like 16 but that was like 21 L people like 19 you know what I mean

[00:26:03] but then they they lost the Tennessee on that Monday night football game with Tyreck

[00:26:08] when Tyreck Hill got hurt and he couldn't get the first time he became dead you know and then

[00:26:13] the Cowboys went out and lost to two of to Miami and then you can't be the MVP we just lost

[00:26:19] the guy we just the regular even when you were watching that game Tony Romo there was a moment where

[00:26:27] Miami scored or I'm sorry Dallas scored and then Tony Romo asked did that just have his MVP

[00:26:34] moment as if it was the Heisman you know Miami comes down scores Dallas gets the ball back

[00:26:40] and he's like this is that's chance for another MVP moment you don't get two in the same game first

[00:26:45] of all but you know yeah you call it at the end right so then so then it was Brock

[00:26:51] Purdy again you know because San Francisco we thought was the best team in the league at the time

[00:26:57] and then Baltimore came in there on Christmas night I think to I think to a Brock Purdy or a

[00:27:03] bioproduct of the MVP almost essentially being granted guests I picked Josh Allen almost being like

[00:27:12] exclusively a quarterback award of the last 10-15 years right I think with the exception of Adrian

[00:27:18] Peterson who literally did would you say random for over two thousand yards excuse my language

[00:27:23] or excuse me I was about to cut I was taken by cousin but so Brock Purdy Brock Purdy and Tua

[00:27:32] I think they were launched to this one through five range of MVP candidates because the award

[00:27:41] goes to quarterbacks right I told you early in the year I would have had Tyreek and Christian

[00:27:51] McCaffrey up there higher simply because I felt that what they were doing they were on pace

[00:27:59] for huge numbers for their position whereas all the quarterbacks were kind of on page four good

[00:28:08] years from 10 to 12 guys have done over the last few years Kurt Cousins was leading the league in

[00:28:14] touchdown passes for the Keelings pop right and no one had him anywhere near the MVP conversation so

[00:28:21] I was like that's why I was moving up the skill position guys but ultimately as it gets colder you

[00:28:26] can't run you tweak an ankle you're not as effective as a running back while I receiver where's

[00:28:31] the quarterback is still out there and that's why I was like that's why I think Josh Allen when I

[00:28:35] think Josh Allen hit his stride when there was a lot that confusion that is a Brock Purdy is it

[00:28:41] to us is it that it was never Josh Allen and I think in my mind he just kept like trucking along truck

[00:28:49] on the long trucking along so when he essentially switched it to Lamar is it okay he kept just doing

[00:28:55] he kept going and going to go on the game that they made the switch brought Purdy through four

[00:29:01] interceptions and got benched and it just happened to be against Lamar's team you know Sam but

[00:29:08] obviously it wasn't Lamar out there making the interceptions listen to all that stuff like that

[00:29:15] but you got to give it to a quarterback or you know the leader of the team just like I'd be

[00:29:20] called they'd be given to the quarterbacks yeah because I mean Daclit the league in pass and touch

[00:29:24] downs you know so if that's a requirement for you you know he could be your MVP and I don't think

[00:29:30] too many people would argue with you that don't have context or you know I mean Rob just one

[00:29:35] to two years in a row the end point did you think Aaron Rogers and the Green Bay Packers were viable

[00:29:41] championship computer not at all and that the home for two years and I think that the other thing

[00:29:48] is that most years that felt like lazy voting I feel like most years the MVP is pretty clear cut

[00:29:56] for the most part like when my home was one his MVP's we knew he was the MVP in like week 11 or

[00:30:01] something like that you know there was the argument me and you both felt Tom Brady should have got

[00:30:07] one of the Aaron Rogers MVP we both felt that but I don't necessarily have a problem with Aaron

[00:30:14] Rogers winning it all the fact that the the base of the fact on like the parameters by which

[00:30:21] Aaron Rogers won the MVP I was like well you're only looking at numbers right right you're

[00:30:28] like you're exclusively looking at numbers right you know it's Tom Brady because Tom Brady didn't have

[00:30:33] that good of a team what did you hear that Matt Ryan won MVP Aaron Rogers had more passing touchdowns

[00:30:41] than Matt Ryan that year because I will think like it might be a little tough but like something that

[00:30:48] you mentioned in our preview is like you kind of put it out there like all right these awards are

[00:30:53] coming out in February you know we got a vote in January and then you get to this point is like

[00:31:00] what guy what team what coach what staff did better than I expected and I think Matt Ryan did

[00:31:10] better than anybody expected that year the year he won MVP like I said right right right Aaron

[00:31:17] Rogers had more passing touchdowns I think they're inception the touchdown and the

[00:31:21] substituations pretty much the same hey I got I got to quit get it off my chest real quick um this

[00:31:26] like you know 45 seconds give me 45 seconds all right so so so like stop with the head to head stuff

[00:31:33] like you know we were in the chat today you know what important is versus Sean Alexander and

[00:31:38] it had that like one of them was two and oh against the other or something or I hear LeBron fans

[00:31:42] talk about you know how he's like 26 and 16 against Kobe or something like that well that's a little

[00:31:48] more relevant no it's a team game there's a little other word at least they were competing against

[00:31:55] each other she didn't try to tackle Clinton Portis well I know but I'm just saying like I just I just

[00:32:00] feel like it's just pointless to me like like like like it doesn't like if Kevin Durant has a

[00:32:07] winning record against Kauai Leonard or whatever like I'm not going to use that in an argument to be

[00:32:12] like yo Kevin Durant's better because he's 24 and 20 against Kauai I would use it I'd use

[00:32:18] I'd use it in an argument because before before you know these guys third places in team but with

[00:32:24] guys they were not able to beat this other guy and that guy's teams I know it's a team sport but

[00:32:31] as no you don't apparently it's a little it's a little more Tom Brady versus Peyton Mani

[00:32:38] like if I like if I told you man's not playing middle linebacker when I told you I was there

[00:32:42] Thomas his head to head against Michael Jordan you would ask me how often did Isaiah actually guard

[00:32:48] Michael Jordan or whatever like you know what I mean like as no relevance yeah if it's a

[00:32:53] lies one versus Gary Peyton Gary Peyton is not guarding a lies one but if they got ahead to head

[00:32:58] if you google it though you know what I'm gonna do but if it was like tracing the gritty versus Vince

[00:33:03] Carter but anyway I'll match and I would each other or any one he's never planned to

[00:33:08] play that many is never planned outside a linebacker it gives time for any in the

[00:33:13] bro exactly so the football comparison is a little lazy agree with it's the old boy what you got

[00:33:21] oh thanks for playing a year like who's going who do you think the media is going to pick

[00:33:26] and then who you picking well I think the media is going to pick Christian McAfry and I

[00:33:31] say with that because I think they've slowly made the offensive player of the year the default

[00:33:40] I'm sorry I didn't vote for you for MVP but I got to vote for this quarterback because that seems

[00:33:45] to be the standard yeah yes I know I get it everyone's listening like oh you just said

[00:33:53] Josh Allen yes I get it because that's Josh Allen had like a really really really great season even

[00:33:58] amongst the good seasons that these other quarterbacks were at it I don't think court honestly in my

[00:34:05] personal opinion I think quarterback should even be in this category I agree but you would have

[00:34:10] to but that would that would mean that the AP and everybody else who voted would have to acknowledge

[00:34:16] publicly if you're gonna trick the MVP that way you have to do something just I mean you can go

[00:34:24] MVP and like I said we call the quarterback award Johnny United Shore or whatever but I think the

[00:34:37] I think Tyrick Hill had a shot my issue with Tyrick Hill and Liza the guys even Cooper Cup to an

[00:34:43] extent like over the recent years chasing the yardage record when we have 17 games and then just

[00:34:52] saying out loud as if I'm not supposed to know that Calvin Johnson the AKA Megatron set the record

[00:35:01] at 16 games right so it's a yardage thing so if you give me a whole another game then I'm like

[00:35:13] and I break the record but I barely break it if I'm on pace so I don't know what the exact numbers

[00:35:18] I think it's someone like 1841 for Megatron 1891 so all right so if we do that math over 16 games

[00:35:30] and at 15 games I'm on that pace based off of his 16 game pace and then in the 16th game I break the record

[00:35:41] okay I'm good with that but with Tyrick they just kept bringing it up so but when they kept

[00:35:51] you know every time they bring it up you know as the season progresses week 8 you're dealing with

[00:35:57] this week 8 you know we can 10 you're dealing with this week 12 you're dealing with this and it was

[00:36:02] like all he needs is 214 yards this game and he'll be back on pace and it's it just it started to

[00:36:10] it started to look as if it wasn't gonna happen based off the fact that for so many weeks

[00:36:17] what's the numbers what's the numbers per week well I wasn't looking per week but overall it's

[00:36:21] 1964 nice I knew it was some degree so 1964 drive that by 16 from me real quick so I can kind of

[00:36:28] finish this up so with Tyrick because every single time my Andy was 22.75

[00:36:36] 122.23 yards again basically 123 yards of games so if you extrapolate that over 17 games

[00:36:44] give me that number I have a political record so 17 times 123 or so that 19 is 1964

[00:36:53] yeah divided by 17

[00:36:55] 14 1964 divided by 17

[00:37:00] wow 1964 my fat

[00:37:04] the math ain't math and

[00:37:07] yo I got one 15 and a half

[00:37:11] why did it

[00:37:12] 115 and a half

[00:37:14] you know what you got no people you know said thumbs to fat I've been out been voting for

[00:37:21] mr. Biscuit for MVP these thumbs

[00:37:25] so if I mean at 115 the game

[00:37:30] I just feel I feel like with the extra game with the yardage you got to blow out of the water

[00:37:37] I need you at 1900 after 15 games

[00:37:41] you know I need you somewhere in that space so if it takes you yeah I need you to blow his

[00:37:49] record out of what you you come down here were 1965 and 17 games it's not

[00:37:54] for him to be fair he has been on pace he just keeps getting hurt that's just but that's

[00:37:59] the thing he would be on pace and get hurt and then the next week the number would be

[00:38:04] right it's 197 yards this game he'll be you'll be back on pace you know so

[00:38:10] well going back to Christian McCaffrey because it's because of the shanty hand

[00:38:16] the legacy of how they run the ball and the impact like it so we were talking about Clinton

[00:38:20] Portage earlier in the in the group shot to the hot box it's just that zone running scheme

[00:38:27] you know most are down in Miami and then you got a large mission in San Francisco

[00:38:32] and even the running that shanty hand kind of implemented with the Vante Freeman and

[00:38:38] Tevin Coleman when he was in Atlanta it just seems as if when you put a running back behind

[00:38:43] that they have success Christian McCaffrey is no exception to that I just think like that's probably

[00:38:51] why he probably didn't get that mini MVP votes because we've seen guys who do that for two years

[00:38:59] and then we never hear from again like I don't know what the bottom of it to me that shouldn't matter

[00:39:03] it shouldn't matter it shouldn't matter it's like when we talk about college people we're like oh

[00:39:09] George has been good the last couple years let's make them number one it's like okay cool but

[00:39:14] Randy Moss caught 23 touchdowns from Tom Brady that year yeah if you would have gone to

[00:39:19] rest his career and never caught more than four touchdowns in a game I mean in the season

[00:39:25] we will look at it like oh those numbers were inflated because he was gonna

[00:39:31] yeah we would but it still doesn't take away from what you see see this is it doesn't take away

[00:39:35] they hold up hold up you doesn't elevate either get it off my chest get it off my chest I got another one

[00:39:41] so like yeah I'll argue I'm ready for this no I'm just saying if there's something that in this

[00:39:47] ain't at you I'm just saying yeah and I get it if there's something that you would criticize someone

[00:39:51] for then you have to give them credit if they do the reverse so like for example you know

[00:39:58] Brock Purti you know he's only good because of the team around him and you know the rest

[00:40:05] of the talent and it's like if he wasn't doing the things that he was doing you would criticize him

[00:40:13] not like that no not you I'm just saying a general but my general statement as far as like

[00:40:20] the the CMC thing is that so many guys with the shenanhan coming down from his pops down a Kyle

[00:40:30] so many runnabacks have had a splash season of 12 13 14 hundred yards multiple times

[00:40:40] Denver Washington Atlanta now San Francisco like so many guys have already had that success

[00:40:48] and then after that we didn't hear anything from them so it could be I'm not saying he will

[00:40:54] we almost got first year cap redo that outside of shenanhan yeah and he caught he caught like

[00:41:00] 116 passes from Cam Newton one year like 108 another year yeah um so I'm not I'm not saying he's not

[00:41:08] a dynamic running back is as far as that if you're going to pick

[00:41:12] is this are these numbers because he's CMC or these numbers because he's in Cal Shenan's

[00:41:20] offense but because like I said the default offensive play a year award has gone to the guy

[00:41:28] they didn't vote for for MVP generally right he is that guy that they will pick over Tyree kill

[00:41:34] me and I would get the shenanhan thing if we were talking about a larger Mitchell like I think

[00:41:39] that makes more sense because you know he doesn't have the pedigree slash I'm used to hear that first

[00:41:46] of most I think I think where he most are down in Miami essentially running the shenanhan systems

[00:41:52] you know a proxy from Mike McDaniel he had I believe he had like 17 to 18 Russian touchdowns

[00:42:01] I think he had 19 I know he led the league in Russian touchdowns but you know what I mean I don't

[00:42:06] know but I don't but it didn't look like that but it didn't look like that when

[00:42:12] oh I can't think of a dude's name right now I'm odd something I can't think of his name right now

[00:42:17] but the dolphin's had another running back previously and it didn't look like that

[00:42:22] he had Miles Gaskin and it didn't look like that you know what I mean so yeah he had a

[00:42:28] thousand twelve yards yeah I think he finished third or no he finished like he finished top 10 in

[00:42:34] Russian but he also missed some games too yeah you know but I just I get what you saying

[00:42:42] I just don't think it applies to Christian McCaffrey you know what I mean like because we've seen

[00:42:46] it like if like like we saw Clint and Portis played for a bunch of some different teams you know we saw

[00:42:52] we didn't see Tarell Davis play for a bunch of teams so it could apply to him you know it could apply

[00:42:57] to a land is there I mean oh my goodness it could apply to them but Christian McCaffrey when he was

[00:43:04] in Carolina was still in the conversation of best running back in the league it was just that he got

[00:43:09] hurt all the time you know but yeah my old boy I'm gonna go with Josh Allen you know with the total

[00:43:17] touchdowns the only thing I hate though is the number of interceptions you know I don't like the 18

[00:43:23] interceptions like I know I recorded Max had a lot of turnovers it was weird yeah I think the homes

[00:43:28] he could have 14 interceptions this year you know but just looking at it from an early statistical

[00:43:33] standpoint I don't have a problem with Josh Allen what about D-Poi this one was probably my

[00:43:41] toughest one it was tough I'm gonna go with the bowl mouse Garrett I think that's what a media is

[00:43:49] gonna pick too I think the media is gonna pick TJ what because they are essentially the same

[00:43:57] team story one team defensive player defensive and the only guy you really had to focus on in the front seven

[00:44:11] mediocre quarterback play coach someone on a hot seat but their defense was still top six in the lead

[00:44:27] TJ White and Miles Garrett both did that I think the thing that really in this sounds like superficial

[00:44:34] when he was shifting from left to right and right back to left left to right and the two tightens kept

[00:44:43] moving back and forth to the point with the other team got the lay game penalty because they were so

[00:44:48] focused on making sure they was like it was a unit say you remember that play okay that kind of

[00:44:55] impact was the Miles Garrett impact so they were that was like the first thing the news don't

[00:45:01] like the crossover you know he's coming you couldn't stop it and he's on a team that was traditionally

[00:45:10] underwhelming as far as success I think Pittsburgh with TJ what yes he is the catalyst he is an

[00:45:19] engine that makes that makes that train go I just feel like Pittsburgh as a whole

[00:45:26] without TJ White there they can make things happen because the the the construct of their defense

[00:45:33] I know there's wins and losses but a lot of it is because the quarterbacks can't make place he does

[00:45:38] to make up for the fact that the quarterbacks can't make plays to get some of the field but

[00:45:43] Miles Garrett's availability and his impact weekend a week out is like why in my opinion he will be

[00:45:54] my defensive player of the year yes I think I think the media is going to take him I think

[00:45:59] they're going to pick Miles Garrett I am going to pick TJ White 19 and a half sack speaks for itself

[00:46:07] you know the person that surprised me when I looked at this was Micah Parsons because

[00:46:16] I don't understand him as a player and I think part of that is when just not knowing how to

[00:46:23] deploy him if you will because as I look at Micah Parsons there's a lot of games these bigger games

[00:46:30] where he seems to have no impact like it's easy to lose him forget that he's playing sometimes

[00:46:36] like I think in the green bait playoff game he only had one tackle you know but I was shocked that

[00:46:46] when it comes to pressures he's got White and Garrett beat by like 17 to 20 you know what I mean

[00:46:56] so I was shocked about it you know so I was so I think that any of those three could win it like

[00:47:03] any of those three would be a good choice I eliminated two out of those three I eliminated Crosby

[00:47:10] when I looked at it and I eliminated

[00:47:17] yeah blind I eliminated Blan he's got the pick six record but he gave up a lot too like

[00:47:22] it was like the digs experience all over again you know but they helped you they'll be legit next

[00:47:29] year but when I look at Pittsburgh I got to push back a little bit because we know Pittsburgh

[00:47:35] we talked about it you talked about it for a quick second Pittsburgh's like one in 10 without

[00:47:40] TJ White coming into this season you know they are actually 21st and total defense this year

[00:47:49] so we're talking about a dude that got 19 sacks on the 21st ranked defense imagine if that

[00:47:56] defense didn't have him they might not like imagine if you're the best player on the top five

[00:48:02] defense in the league but that's also means it's it's the but see is that is that Lamar Jackson

[00:48:08] argument almost put reverse because if you look at Miles Garrett what you're saying is absolutely

[00:48:13] correct but they got a damn good secondary you know what I mean they got some damn good linebackers

[00:48:21] so yeah he's on the top five defense because they have the players to have a top five defense

[00:48:27] you know I mean I need it so I know my own arguments except to you out I'll accept it

[00:48:33] so with TJ White you know like they have me cause fits Patrick you know and Joey Port of

[00:48:39] Jr. is in the rookie of the year defensive rookie of the year coming in skinny you know that's what I

[00:48:45] wanted in Washington I wanted him over uh do I forgot his name Forbes I wanted him over Forbes you

[00:48:52] know what I mean but you know the dude from Mississippi state right yeah but you know Washington 160

[00:48:58] at the come yeah you know you're gonna play if you go right around here hitting grow many way

[00:49:03] 160 pounds Washington always disappoints me though um but yeah exactly Washington disappoints me

[00:49:13] uh Miles Garrett did have 17 tackles for losses you know on the season along with 15 sacks so it

[00:49:20] wasn't like TJ White had 21 sacks and Miles Garrett had 12 you know to be 19 and a half and 15

[00:49:27] so but also Cleveland ran into the DAC problem we talked about this before to play off game

[00:49:34] what's that yeah their numbers on defense dropped really really bad on the road you know they go

[00:49:41] from like a top five defense to like a top 17 defense when they go whatever they were all

[00:49:47] they were all his fault they're consistent with with at quarterback no it's not his fault but that's

[00:49:52] something that I know there wasn't very consistent but we knew early on that their quarterback play

[00:49:57] wasn't great so I did eat that but they were like they were getting surprises at quarterback

[00:50:02] well TJ White if I'm opinion TJ White single handedly basically won the money and I game against Cleveland

[00:50:11] that was a lot of turnovers yeah yeah overall of the season you know I like Miles Garrett a lot

[00:50:19] like I said I think that's who will be the winner you know I just value this NFL.com poll

[00:50:25] granted is only 23 participants and these are like employees of NFL.com right they have JJ White as

[00:50:32] the uh or TNJ winner oh yeah I keep saying JJ TJ so per NFL.com they got MVP Lamar Jackson give

[00:50:44] me his nickname should have got it it's too late now I think he won't give me got a nickname

[00:50:51] action Jackson no hi Blake oh wow we trying to get this gotta watch our show

[00:50:59] I give it a tag minute maybe he'll argue with us. You know the

[00:51:02] calf freezer your old boy the principal year per NFL.com this is not like an official ranking

[00:51:09] is TJ White with 11 votes Miles Garrett got nine parts personal got eight blank got two

[00:51:16] crowds we got two now we got all offensive rookie to year we could pretty much lock that in.

[00:51:23] Yeah we both I think got CJ Stroud. That's he they stroud.

[00:51:27] I think he is gonna pick him as well yep 23 touchdowns five picks and I keep mind like I think those

[00:51:33] picks I think he had one game of one another game of one another game of three and there's

[00:51:42] and there's a lot of people out there. You think 16 games I mean 13 games he had no

[00:51:46] interceptions. There's a lot of people out there no shots it's just facts there's a lot of people

[00:51:52] out there that say that Justin Fields would flourish more with a non defensive coach you've got you

[00:51:58] know you keep high every these defensive coordinators with the young quarterbacks and it stalls

[00:52:03] I don't see why that I don't buy that either that's what I'm trying to get to.

[00:52:06] CJ Stroud had a football called it plays like if Bill Bultichick was out there calling

[00:52:12] past plays like case in point Mac Jones out there getting play calls from Matt Patricia

[00:52:20] last year basketball's crazy Philly with the 10-point half time lead with no end being

[00:52:25] those do's are prime athletes I know but I'm just saying you know Maxi Maxi hold up hold up

[00:52:33] hold up just just to just to prime our topic what our topic later right Maxi got 32-1 1,5 time

[00:52:43] you know I said sit on my head we'll go ahead yeah so I mean if you think about

[00:52:49] these like these awards and quarterback play and everything else I think it's just a matter of

[00:53:02] this is a matter of time before they just look they figure out give these guys a shot see what

[00:53:09] they can do right and we you have a guy like CJ Stroud and he have got like Justin Fields

[00:53:20] with the defensive coach and it's like the defensive coach doesn't call the plays though

[00:53:26] right so when the offensive coordinator either from the boot that a sideline calls it you got

[00:53:32] the first three I'd like to I'd like the fact that Justin Fields is potentially available

[00:53:39] because I want to jilt with my own franchise because I think that's the possibility but in the same

[00:53:45] sense I was talking to my dad I was like early I was like because it's rare that a guy gets drafted

[00:53:53] by one team and then goes to the next team before he signs his deal like his you know six or seven

[00:54:00] years in I don't know if the new regime is going to be married to him right the way you know this

[00:54:11] current regime is married to see they strouled right and I think that's gonna be a problem for

[00:54:17] Bryce Young well I think I think the idea though is that these defensive a lot of the defensive

[00:54:22] coaches don't know how to hire offensive coaches they don't know who the good offensive is but if

[00:54:28] I'm hiring offensive coach against these dudes too I'm an offensive guy like I think the defensive

[00:54:34] coach I think it's I think it's a fallacy in it because it sounds good because no one's really

[00:54:41] qualified to quantify it they just say they'll just take the end of year stats and say sweet defensive

[00:54:48] coach Mike Thomas defensive coach never had an under 500 season the little bellicac was a defensive

[00:54:53] bellicac has H. Symbol rings to his a coordinator sixes ahead coach he's been under 500 last

[00:54:59] couple of years so just this this this blind narrative that oh because they have a defensive coach

[00:55:06] if the defensive coaches out there trying to call plays like Todd Bolz didn't call me plays

[00:55:10] he's hired on just got hired on to be the head coach in Carolina granite I think both decisions

[00:55:18] made by the Tampa Bay coordinator and the Carolina front office I don't know if that's really

[00:55:24] gonna work well I think Seattle's only coach I mean I don't want to like but Seattle I think it's

[00:55:29] the only one that got the right coach I want to say no you don't I was here last week I heard what

[00:55:39] you said yeah yeah nothing is saying thing about Dan Quinn I was like because this is my

[00:55:46] argument like for Dan Quinn going up to watch hold on hold on hold on get there we'll get there we'll

[00:55:50] get there we'll come back yeah we'll come back so who you got for defensive rookie of the year

[00:55:56] I got Walt Anderson I think I mean I'm just going to talk and time is like like you said it last

[00:56:04] week sometimes the easiest answer is the correct one you know we can dig deep and be like oh

[00:56:11] jailing Carter like Philly's I think that's who's going to win I think that's who's going to get

[00:56:14] it jailing Carter yeah I think that's who the media is going to vote for no because if you

[00:56:19] would have caught that interception on in my home spike when you dove through the legs yeah I think

[00:56:25] that would have been maybe the moment that had been his highest moment that had been that had been

[00:56:28] his highest moment but the fact that Philly's had had such a fall off they replaced and or fired or

[00:56:37] demoted and promoted defensive coordinators throughout the season and it wasn't like he was the

[00:56:46] what they called the the force multiplier working as if they would have any issues

[00:56:52] and his presence made a difference like Chris Jones in that Baltimore Kansas City AFC game

[00:57:02] when he took his breather he became back in on second down because like I think Baltimore we get

[00:57:08] the ball and he would take the he would take a breather from the whole time the obviously the

[00:57:13] office on the field Baltimore get the ball back and I think they were bringing it back in on second

[00:57:19] down hopefully it's second and nine second and ten and he would do his bull rush of the middle

[00:57:25] and he's the same thing on third down that impact I'm not sure Jaylen Carter had that kind of

[00:57:33] impact in the games that he was in I think well Anderson did and the overall success of the team

[00:57:41] with these two like the deal the deals that they made to get strought and Anderson in the top five

[00:57:49] is just like you being a commanders fan or Washington football team or previous known as a

[00:57:56] Redskins fan me being a father's fan is like just do that for me one time give me that satisfaction

[00:58:05] that you went all in and then it worked it worked all basically and it worked defensively and I think

[00:58:12] that's what people are going to focus on is that it worked so I think you know like I said the voters

[00:58:18] got so you got will Anderson as well because I think the move was jarring the move was like wow

[00:58:29] can't believe they traded back up to three to get this guy after it has got their quarterback

[00:58:35] and they were done I think they were done for a couple of rounds and they moved all their picks

[00:58:39] for the first two three rounds definitely for the first two days and they were like and then it worked

[00:58:45] all right I got two questions for you who do you think I'm going to pick if I had the sink you said

[00:58:53] Jaylen Carter I don't know probably Kobe Turner at LA good job good job I didn't just beat you

[00:59:03] you know all right second question second question since the year 2000 how many corners

[00:59:12] have won defensive rookie of the year since 2000 was Jason Seohorn in that uh no

[00:59:22] why me you know what I'm already before the next set no you know one already because sauce wanted last

[00:59:27] year sauce

[00:59:36] corners yeah three correct I can't name them now I'm not gonna add that was the next question

[00:59:45] that was the next question I was I was thinking like maybe stingy but I don't think stingy was one

[00:59:50] no he was a rookie two years ago right yeah no he didn't get it uh so it was uh sauce

[00:59:56] Marcus Latamore okay and Marcus Peters I like Marcus Peters a lot I like he

[01:00:05] remember he runs just stands with uh fans he reminds me a lot of Asante Samuel and he's a lot of

[01:00:13] Feast or famine you know the okay you if you double move him if you didn't have satia over top

[01:00:20] and you double move him you go get him but if you run that hit trout he's taking that to the house

[01:00:26] he yeah I think he's like second and active uh interceptions I did I did consider the reason

[01:00:34] I asked the DB question is that I did consider Devon with their Spoon for a second you know um

[01:00:40] 79 tackles as a corner you know still had some picks you know all that good stuff so

[01:00:46] I think he was a good player I didn't pick Joey Porter at all because I just felt like

[01:00:51] I definitely saw him get beat up a lot you know you know to be and and I mean I like

[01:00:59] them like I said I wanted to draft them for Washington but um so I eliminated him early um

[01:01:05] I eliminated Jalen Carter unfortunately because I did the whole thing this is my blind spot we

[01:01:11] talked about it I did the thing where I was like but look at all the stuff Philly got on defense

[01:01:16] around the line and around the linebackers like yeah his job is easy to some degree like you know

[01:01:22] four or five dudes that he's won championships with in his locker room yeah it you got people that like

[01:01:33] the defense has to focus on a lot of people and Philly's defense to where

[01:01:37] initially a rookie isn't going to get that attention no matter how good he is

[01:01:41] when you still got what they have you know um

[01:01:48] I like Will Anderson you know um I thought he was going to be the first defensive player taken

[01:01:55] you know in the draft last year coming into the draft so I was always high on Will Anderson

[01:02:01] um but when I look at Kobe Turner you know let it all rookies and sacks on a defense that

[01:02:10] really didn't amount to much that really wasn't much that didn't have a lot of regard

[01:02:14] for it coming into the season so that's my blind spot you know um

[01:02:20] yeah so I went with him mostly for those reasons uh I just think that when I watched him

[01:02:26] him and Will Anderson are the ones that had the most impact like Jill and Carter had a lot of

[01:02:31] impact but like I said he had all those other dudes around too yeah so he was allowed to be free

[01:02:37] yeah yeah so to me it came down to Anderson and Turner and you know um

[01:02:44] you know Anderson had one less sack but he was a disruptor too

[01:02:50] you know so I think you can't to be you can't go wrong with either Turner or

[01:02:55] and yeah and and Anderson was a disruptor on a team that you like you said your

[01:03:02] blind spot wasn't expected to do much right right right right and they didn't have

[01:03:08] any real veterans to say his success is because this other person right right where it's

[01:03:18] Turner has Turner has a Super Bowl winning head coach who's been to a couple of Super Bowls

[01:03:26] quarterback Aaron Donald who's arguably a first ball hall of fame or

[01:03:32] just the just the the the the the the mystique and the scheme and the the the structure of the Rams

[01:03:38] and they're successful like going into it was ironic is this kind of hurting his stock

[01:03:46] because he went to a successful organization is like is that my fault I was born in the money

[01:03:52] and I'm still good at money versus like I wasn't born in the money and I'm just as good as this

[01:03:56] other guy right well Anderson went to a situation when he wasn't born in the money

[01:04:01] and his his output was very similar to a guy but we've been looking but looking at that same

[01:04:07] but looking at it through that same vein um

[01:04:11] Kobe Turner went to a team with an offensive head coach you know that

[01:04:16] everything is predicated on the offense he had Aaron Donald but outside of that there wasn't

[01:04:20] really much impact on the Rams defense you know whereas the Rams do make moves to to fill in these gaps

[01:04:28] whereas uh they're saying they'll trade this they'll make this move they they do make good defensive

[01:04:35] it wasn't as if he was an offensive coach who's oblivious to the impact and the necessity

[01:04:40] to be good defensively we're the architect of the 49ers defense the last couple years

[01:04:49] you know um he did have a grinner you know they got the young talent was stangly so I mean

[01:04:55] you know they got a little bit of talent it's just all young but I think you could go either way

[01:05:00] um like I think that if he had to if he had to guess what team was going to win

[01:05:06] preseason right and pressure we had the Rams winning more games in Houston yeah then we had them at like

[01:05:12] we had them at like five you know what our logic our logic for Houston was they were so young there's

[01:05:19] no way to maybe time yeah maybe time but yet he more than doubled our expectations and the Rams

[01:05:25] just surprised I think right I think we just were wrong on the Rams and supply I think part of

[01:05:31] part of it was we didn't know how healthy staff it was going to be you know I'm going to

[01:05:35] help these staffer I just didn't think it was going to be sustainable because I didn't believe

[01:05:41] they had enough firepower but like I said I was wrong on the Rams yeah obviously we didn't see

[01:05:46] hook up I was surprised by Houston and I think that that's surprise and that sustainability because

[01:05:52] it wasn't like they won on a run it was just they had some good games right they lost the couple

[01:05:58] they had a grind they lost a you know close one when the kick fell just short of his Jacksonville

[01:06:04] so I think it was like up and down and up and down he got you rookie head coach

[01:06:09] rookie quarterback rookie defensive leader it just so many elements that should not have worked

[01:06:16] whereas the Rams we just weren't expecting the elements that were in place to continue to work

[01:06:21] So it's a foregone conclusion that Domingo Ryan is going to win in coach of the year

[01:06:27] I don't think so man no thanks though I don't I don't think so I think the media was definitely

[01:06:33] pumping that when they won the last game against Indianapolis I I if you voted for

[01:06:43] Stofansky or Domingo Ryan's and Dan Campbell third

[01:06:50] I think I'm good that's actually my ranking

[01:06:56] uh I

[01:07:01] I want to say I want to say Domingo Ryan's because he had a rookie quarterback

[01:07:06] but that rookie was more consistently available than the revolving door of quarterbacks

[01:07:13] that Stofansky did right well you also it's a third time in Cleveland yeah he's a rookie coach

[01:07:20] but I think even as a rookie coach he was consistently there

[01:07:27] CJ was consistently there they did have the injury to take bell

[01:07:32] That was a big deal but because they're so young collectively offensively

[01:07:37] That I think they can get overcome it

[01:07:39] Stofansky we had no idea I didn't know Dishon why someone's even hurt

[01:07:46] I thought the Ohio Lake Superior Lake Erie water and making like the

[01:07:52] Not mean the soaps and lavender oils up there it was he was gonna get a good massage in

[01:07:57] But the shoulder just apparently not gonna want to start just for that guy. Yeah, I mean so

[01:08:02] about I don't take it a day at him but it just felt as if

[01:08:06] He wasn't there they played PJ Walker they played DTR

[01:08:12] The Sean Watson played and then

[01:08:16] He was out for this losing yeah, so like like so like it was uh if you're

[01:08:22] Stofansky you're like I'm already dealt with

[01:08:27] Baker for a couple of years not necessarily a Baker being a problem

[01:08:30] But just like

[01:08:32] Trying to figure out the quarterback position with that number one pick

[01:08:35] Making a trade the team giving all his money

[01:08:38] And then that guy suspended for essentially a year and I'm running with backups

[01:08:43] Then I come back into this year. He's good to go. He's not playing well

[01:08:47] He gets injured

[01:08:48] I got to run with this

[01:08:49] Journeyman and PJ Walker to rookie and DTR

[01:08:52] Then I got to call Flacco

[01:08:54] Allfage Cowloss like a fire volunteer or firefighter

[01:08:58] I'm saying but then we still go 11 and 5

[01:09:01] I still got a top-ranked defensive

[01:09:03] So I think Demiko Rines

[01:09:05] Maintain a level of excellence to success and create a culture in Houston

[01:09:11] That's sustainable but as far as

[01:09:14] Shrouds and tribulations that you have to go to to maintain success

[01:09:19] I think Stofansky had it so I personally would pick Stofansky

[01:09:24] Like I said, it's not a knock on Demiko

[01:09:28] Jack Mustys I'm pretty sure you just switched that up

[01:09:32] No, I didn't know I said that said they were going to take Demiko Rines

[01:09:35] But I would like I said if you I said if you voted for either the three of them

[01:09:39] But I personally think because they had

[01:09:42] Such because you gotta keep mine PJ Walker and DTR terrible quarterback

[01:09:48] The Sean Washington. I didn't think he was doing I didn't think that the Sean Washington was

[01:09:53] And this year I didn't have any faith in him

[01:09:56] So for him to still be able to coach that team to that many wins is right

[01:10:01] That's what you brought this on you brought this on yourself

[01:10:05] You know pop quiz

[01:10:09] You named four of the five quarterbacks that started for the Browns this year who's the fifth one

[01:10:17] I got

[01:10:19] It wasn't dogs he didn't do one

[01:10:22] So I got flak

[01:10:28] They had a fifth-star in quarterback yeah, I mean granted it was the last game of the season but still he started

[01:10:34] I don't know who that is

[01:10:36] Jeff and Driscoll man come on. Don't be disrespectful

[01:10:39] Oh SEC right

[01:10:42] But yeah

[01:10:44] Anyone they gain with Jeff Driscoll

[01:10:46] No, no, I don't think I think Cincinnati beat him but

[01:10:48] um, but yeah, I um that was the same thing that I was thinking

[01:10:52] The fancy with the quarterback revolving door

[01:10:55] He's the only coach on the list that had to deal with something like that. What a like

[01:11:01] Terrible injury. Yeah, that was catastrophic for Monday night football

[01:11:05] Yeah early in the season like it was like to the point where you knew when he caught up the field that

[01:11:12] That guy's unavailable to me and then you're starting quarterback that you're paying 230 million dollars to

[01:11:17] He's unavailable to me all guaranteed by the way. I'm on the hot seat because I'm playing one of the most

[01:11:23] fan passionate cities. I'm a coach and one of the most fan passionate cities in America

[01:11:28] And it's like

[01:11:30] What what do I do and to you know course, you know every team in that division finish would have win a record

[01:11:37] That was happy

[01:11:40] So so the mico Ryan's obviously deserves votes

[01:11:43] You know, he's a rookie head coach rookie quarterback relying on rookie will Anderson

[01:11:49] You know there was a lot going on at Houston

[01:11:52] To where I don't think anybody

[01:11:55] major media wise

[01:11:57] chose the Texans to win that division chose the Texans to make the playoffs

[01:12:01] Like I think I heard one person. I just can't remember who it is

[01:12:04] But nobody was riding that wave you know to me so that's said

[01:12:09] As far as Detroit goes

[01:12:11] Detroit

[01:12:13] Has an infusion of talent

[01:12:15] You know they went out and got Jamar Gibbs of the junior gifts. They have

[01:12:20] David Montgomery they picked him up and they miss a way and post suspension

[01:12:25] Been as the whole round playoff

[01:12:28] These one-doubles with on they were

[01:12:31] Jeric golf was a prime time quarterback for so many years with the Rams

[01:12:36] I still know what Dan Campbell did

[01:12:39] You know who Dan Campbell reminds me of the year

[01:12:42] You know who you know who he reminds me of he reminds me of a dude down in Clemson South Carolina

[01:12:50] Oh dabbo running up the tunnel in Death Valley. Yeah, like you know he's a ra ra guy motivator

[01:12:57] You know run you'll run through the wall for him but I don't know how much actual day-to-day

[01:13:03] Coaching is actually one I think but I think he's a good coach my thing is that

[01:13:09] If

[01:13:14] If we go like I said if we go

[01:13:17] According to NFL.com once again, this is a source of using and they're 23 voters that they have their employees

[01:13:24] 16 went to the me go

[01:13:26] 9 with the Campbell 5 with just a fanski

[01:13:30] 2 went to shinnahann

[01:13:32] And 0 votes to John Harbour on Baltimore

[01:13:35] My thing is I don't know why you would vote

[01:13:38] I understand why you were vote to meca or was to fanski

[01:13:42] the the the the rookie

[01:13:46] AIDS experience circumstances that he had down in Houston coupled with the

[01:13:53] The limited winning culture that they have down in Houston right but I don't know what Dan Campbell did

[01:14:01] That was more impressive. What's to fanski did? I think it was

[01:14:06] The big every single week

[01:14:09] But it won 9 games last year. I know but the lions like what they did this year was for their for them was very unprecedented

[01:14:17] What they went 11-6

[01:14:19] Why does me like overall everything like just the whole season NFC championship game

[01:14:24] Something that they had never done before since like the

[01:14:27] The voter and before the voter and the voter ended the regular season

[01:14:31] You know and I think that people just fell in love with the story of the lions because I think you a little like

[01:14:37] Campbell. Oh, yeah, they love that

[01:14:40] Essentially no personality like we always say he's the Brandon's right mecaps

[01:14:44] He's what Brandon's daily aspires to be

[01:14:47] You know with the gambling the decision-making then Campbell no hoodies in Detroit that say biting mecaps and make a million dollars

[01:14:55] Yeah, I don't know what the fanski could do

[01:14:58] So fanski probably could walk through Cleveland if he's shady could probably walk through Cleveland unarmed

[01:15:03] Like another honestly. I don't know

[01:15:07] Who I would recognize first between Stephanski and Mike and Mike trout

[01:15:11] I would probably it would probably be Mike trout just because he's a guy no beard no beard no beard right now

[01:15:17] So fanski shaves his beard right now

[01:15:20] And Campbell shaved his beard you still recognize Campbell just cuz yeah

[01:15:23] I think that I think that no

[01:15:26] Campbell is a man's man, you know Campbell is like he's the epitome of

[01:15:32] That old school fun that old school NFL coach that people love like to build power type dude

[01:15:39] The Mike Dicca kind of guy you look like to do that collects World War 2 take

[01:15:43] My bill remember and like bills in his garage so fanski does like I said that I think that's I think that's probably the knock

[01:15:49] Those defense I think he's like a no nonsense business and a little guy goes about his business

[01:15:55] Which I want to be successful. I think we might be a very very good coach similar to like Kevin O'Connell up in Minnesota

[01:16:03] But just like you don't have the personality

[01:16:06] How much do you think name matters so like like we were talking about you awards? Well, yeah

[01:16:11] Like we were talking about Jalen Carter how I was saying that I thought

[01:16:15] They would give him the award but you didn't agree with that like

[01:16:18] Uh

[01:16:19] Like when it comes to the head coaches or just anybody in general, but since we're talking about head coaches

[01:16:24] The fast key is obviously the least known

[01:16:27] So thanks man coach nothing that's the fanski did

[01:16:31] Or does

[01:16:34] Make you want to root for him

[01:16:36] You want a root for the rookie head coach

[01:16:39] Especially back this give it a bean the black rookie head coach with the black rookie quarterback

[01:16:43] You want to root for him and he came from a good organization a good tree with the shanahan tree

[01:16:50] I think shanahan is I think the fanskies out of the

[01:16:55] It's not the Andy Reed tree

[01:16:58] I tried he's he's out of one of those those nepotism trees that are out there

[01:17:03] But

[01:17:05] But big

[01:17:08] A bigger personality is the fan ski

[01:17:11] Whereas if you think about shanahan painting of Russell Wilson right

[01:17:19] You might be bigger

[01:17:21] But Russell will know

[01:17:24] Is uh Russell Wilson's personality is

[01:17:29] As far as on television is

[01:17:33] As compelling as shanahan

[01:17:35] So if I get a sound clip from shanahan painting of post game press conference at the podium

[01:17:40] I know I can go to Russell Wilson's locker and get

[01:17:44] A statement that we can now can talk about on this show with the split screens and everything else

[01:17:50] I don't think so fanski ever gave you anything as as you know the intences of

[01:17:57] Baker may feel Baker would give you all this personnel and energy like hey, you know

[01:18:01] We got to do the

[01:18:03] All this really just swag and a swat of e whatever case we be it's the fanski would come out with some billbelly check like

[01:18:09] You know, we just got to make sure we execute better you know next week

[01:18:12] We've got a sense of that we had tough game with Joe Burr or number nine

[01:18:15] And like that would be it and he would just walk out and it's like

[01:18:19] You know you know you're not gonna get

[01:18:21] Well people forget remember we were talking about Baltimore and San Francisco on Christmas

[01:18:26] Um and going into that game San Francisco was favored by five. It was a big deal

[01:18:32] You know if Baltimore had lost that game Cleveland would have wanted the division

[01:18:35] So like it was like that close so

[01:18:39] You know that is the fanski probably wouldn't have come out and said anything ever been like

[01:18:45] jaw drop and or even like

[01:18:47] In the media because like I said his his situation

[01:18:53] If you voted for the mechor rinds one and him to yeah, I can't I wouldn't be like oh we thinking but

[01:19:00] Dan Campbell over to fanski now

[01:19:03] You're just you're just banking

[01:19:05] You're voting for Dan Campbell because Detroit is prevailing unsuccessful

[01:19:09] The fact that the fanskeys

[01:19:12] The format of the fanskies year

[01:19:15] Is normally an unsuccessful season if you think about

[01:19:19] Look at uh the chargers when hurt when her but went down look at Cincinnati jake brownie had a good little run

[01:19:26] That didn't work out look at Atlanta

[01:19:28] They thought wasn't gonna be the guy

[01:19:30] Um look at the commanders when they thought they had a guy look at Philly when their injury reports are saying how hurt jalen hurts was

[01:19:39] You know, so when your quarterback is kind of like falling apart

[01:19:43] Look at Minnesota when they were getting dues from b.w.i.u

[01:19:46] And Josh Dodd that noted offensive lineman's names and they were

[01:19:50] Explaining a place in the huddle to him like he couldn't even audible because they can only explain one plate to him

[01:19:56] It's the fanski hat all and then still one of 11 games

[01:20:00] So

[01:20:02] So like

[01:20:03] All right, so just the recap

[01:20:06] Uh we both think Lamar Jackson's gonna get the MVP. Yeah his his bedding odds were like negative 20,000 which means you got a Josh

[01:20:14] I was over 100 you got Josh Allen. I got Christian McCaffrey

[01:20:18] um for old poit

[01:20:21] Uh we agree that it's going to be Christian McCaffrey

[01:20:25] But I would I went Josh Allen and you went

[01:20:29] McCaffrey for that one. McCaffrey correct. Yeah

[01:20:31] Um all this is forgetting here to make a word yeah offensive rookie in the year we both agreed that it was cj strut both

[01:20:38] both ways um defensive player in the year you got miles Garrett. I got tj what

[01:20:43] Um, you think the media is gonna give it to what i think the media is gonna give it to Garrett

[01:20:48] Uh, and then defensive rookie in the year

[01:20:51] I thought the media is gonna give it to jl and caudr. I got cobie Turner

[01:20:55] You think they're gonna give it to will Anderson and then

[01:20:58] I got one Anderson yet both

[01:21:00] And I think the story I think the story between

[01:21:03] The all three fasts with a three

[01:21:06] Now granite a lemonade special teams but if you throw the coach and coaching staff the special teams at three fastest

[01:21:11] You got coach

[01:21:12] Demiko rines

[01:21:13] Quarterback rookie de year

[01:21:15] two day strut defensive play of the year

[01:21:18] I think it's gonna be a clean sweep is gonna be a great story

[01:21:21] They're gonna be the new team out of the age

[01:21:23] 2176ers

[01:21:26] They're gonna be the team that you've root for next year. Yeah, and then uh for coaches we both got kevast the fasty

[01:21:32] We both think that Demiko rines is gonna get it yeah all right

[01:21:36] So putting up bow on that

[01:21:38] Let's play a little let's go around the association

[01:21:41] Mr. logical did you know

[01:21:45] That the new york nix are 15 and two

[01:21:48] since the new year started and

[01:21:51] They're 12 and two in the games that oj adanobi plays in are the nix a contender or no?

[01:21:57] I wish the NBA playoffs were best out of three

[01:22:04] We're hot teams

[01:22:07] Can just overwhelm you

[01:22:09] On two day and Thursday and go onto the next round the problem is

[01:22:15] They're all best out of seven and it just becomes

[01:22:19] Little prevalent where

[01:22:22] You know after a couple of games

[01:22:25] That julie's ranna might not swing that past to the corner

[01:22:30] He's gonna put it on the floor

[01:22:32] You make your adjustments now your winning games

[01:22:36] 104 to

[01:22:38] 101 versus losing them quickly over the course of a three-day span because you're not sure exactly what they're gonna do

[01:22:46] So that's that's the problem with these these mid season runs is that

[01:22:50] You're playing

[01:22:52] You'll play Minnesota on Tuesday

[01:22:55] You'll play Chicago and Wednesday

[01:22:57] You get a rest day

[01:22:59] You're flying out the Memphis you play them

[01:23:03] You get a couple of days off and then Sunday night you're playing against

[01:23:07] You know the clippers are in Madison Square Garden. So you're playing four different teams

[01:23:11] They don't study you back to back to back to back. They don't study your tendencies

[01:23:15] So in a 10 12 15 game stretch your 9 and 6

[01:23:21] You know 13 into whatever the case may be and then you get this hope

[01:23:26] But that's that's the problem with the teams like the nix

[01:23:30] Because we talked about remember that

[01:23:31] Everett and I think Houston won like 20 something games in the row with McGregor

[01:23:36] Didn't make it out of the first round

[01:23:39] staple of team x career

[01:23:41] That's and that's the thing is because you've got to you got to win in order to be a contender

[01:23:47] You got to be able to

[01:23:48] compete

[01:23:50] and win

[01:23:52] for NBA

[01:23:54] Playoff rounds. You know he's always such a

[01:23:57] Tough topic too because

[01:24:00] He did perform in the playoffs like you know, like it's not like he got to the playoffs and

[01:24:06] Was shooting 30% or something like that like his teams just didn't win. It's just odd

[01:24:11] That sometimes you just gotta even when you're the guy that can drop 34

[01:24:16] Maybe you get two more guys of all that both get you eight

[01:24:21] You take 26

[01:24:23] Yeah, so now set of you your final score began 104 because you dropped 34

[01:24:29] You dropped six less but you get these other guys 16

[01:24:33] Now you want 14 you win you win the game 114 109 versus losing 109 104

[01:24:38] You know that that kind of thing and that's what I think that's what happens in the playoffs

[01:24:42] Good good smart coaches figure out who can't do what who can't do this who can't guard

[01:24:48] Who's temperament is not right who can't play on a road

[01:24:52] um

[01:24:54] So that's that's why I like want a lot of these these missus and trades and

[01:24:58] When you have a team that you thought was gonna be a contender

[01:25:01] Starting out the year and they're like oh, this should make a move make a move make a move is like if you don't have that guy in place

[01:25:08] That can carry whoever ends up on the team

[01:25:11] That's a lot the trade that line runs through what

[01:25:15] It's next week next week that you got the all-star game

[01:25:18] So you got guys taking a bunch of time off, you know, maybe eight to nine days off from basketball

[01:25:24] So you get a guy that gets traded to a team

[01:25:27] And if he's if you oh guys traded to okay see sga is gonna be an all-star game

[01:25:33] They don't get the link they don't get the build and now you come right out of that and now you playing games

[01:25:40] You know you get a guy that you know Toronto's they're empty in their their bench trying to get rid of all their contracts making those kind of moves

[01:25:48] You got team like you tall. I didn't look at the scorted night, but

[01:25:52] They came into a town or

[01:25:54] Originally tankin, but maybe they feel like you know what me we can make a move because we can get to seven and out west and see what we could do

[01:26:03] Well, why not? I mean you got the warrior sitting out there at 20 and 24 right now

[01:26:07] You know you got the lakers under 500, you know

[01:26:10] So then if you're out east you got in B with the missus and

[01:26:15] Yeah, that was gonna I was gonna bring that up, you know, he's out with them in this kiss

[01:26:19] They said he's gonna rest it up this weekend

[01:26:21] But he's just gonna deal with it the rest of the season

[01:26:24] Philly got fine

[01:26:28] You know because so from what I heard it sounded like

[01:26:32] During shoot around

[01:26:34] The trainers or whoever was watching him and was like, you know, he just don't look right like something's off

[01:26:40] I heard of a port from like shout out to kinshik perkins

[01:26:45] He

[01:26:46] Apparently paraphrase and I think brand-winner's or remodeled showburn

[01:26:51] That said that before the injury

[01:26:54] And B couldn't jump without pain

[01:26:58] Mm-hmm. So then he gets injured in the game and I saw two times really fell

[01:27:04] It's it's tough male like as they just I can't

[01:27:09] Especially to be as big as he is I saw but I also have something preseason

[01:27:14] Uh, I think it's preseason the game he flopped at home grin shadow hung grin

[01:27:20] There's like there's guys or like trainers out there that are teach these guys how to fall

[01:27:28] Because they're so big it said of them trying to keep themselves up and potentially hurting their feet

[01:27:35] That they just tell them just to fall yeah, and don't we talk about that last year like that's just strange

[01:27:41] Just think I've ever heard what you don't really fall in the basketball where ran it um five nine at best on a good day

[01:27:48] Five ten to whatever basketball shoes and wearing so I'm not moving nearly as fast. I rarely fall but

[01:27:55] And beat it was a lot like we were like talk my dad to playhouse, and I was texting like yeah

[01:27:59] This dude's on the floor. Yes, I'll look up people

[01:28:02] Yeah, he just was concierge on the floor like it's not even calling for files

[01:28:06] You just that when the guys are that big I think there's trainers telling them

[01:28:10] Don't try to stop all this waiting momentum with your feet just fall at the floor slout of you, but

[01:28:17] Yeah fill fillies up 82 to 81 with 4 30 left

[01:28:22] In the four in the third quarter. Okay, okay, it's a low scoring game

[01:28:26] But yeah, I'm trying to pull this up

[01:28:28] I can see what Maxi got now because he had 32 and half time. He's got 36 right now

[01:28:33] But um, yeah, so you know, so in addition to that

[01:28:38] whoo

[01:28:40] The defending Eastern conference champions

[01:28:44] The Miami Heat

[01:28:46] losers of seven of their last eight they did win last night

[01:28:51] But something stood out to me as I was digging through the numbers

[01:28:56] So when bam out of bio

[01:29:00] Jimmy Butler

[01:29:02] And Tyler hero

[01:29:04] All start together

[01:29:07] There's six and 11

[01:29:09] Oh

[01:29:11] They picked up Terry roger you know last week. I liked it

[01:29:15] You know, I thought it was a good move

[01:29:17] You know, I would have probably rather had got Levine or somebody like that

[01:29:20] But he can't stay healthy anyway

[01:29:21] So I like the roger pickup but in five games with Miami shooting 32%

[01:29:28] You know

[01:29:30] Miami does this every year they do this dangerous thing where they teeter

[01:29:35] They get to the play-in or somewhere near the play-in and then they just go up set somebody. I don't know if that's the way

[01:29:42] To build championship runs every year

[01:29:45] I mean it works for them

[01:29:47] It ain't gonna work this year

[01:29:49] But it works because I think the players that they

[01:29:52] I think the players that they have fit what they want to do

[01:29:57] I

[01:29:58] Feel like we talked about Adrian Griffin getting fired

[01:30:04] Oh excuse me

[01:30:06] They had a they had a room full of players, but they had a coach that they they couldn't marry

[01:30:13] The the construct of what they want to get done

[01:30:16] I think Miami fully believes in

[01:30:19] What they could do is like like the cheese right now in the pho like so I picked up three weeks in a row

[01:30:25] But they knew like oh all we gotta do is this and then when they got that 17 to 17 lead on Baltimore

[01:30:29] They're like oh, I don't need a thotis post-row

[01:30:32] We just gonna play field position

[01:30:35] Miami's like we don't need to shoot 45 three this game

[01:30:39] I'mma just run this team off the line because they only want to shoot three

[01:30:44] So now when I make them run out the line with seven seconds up in the shot clock

[01:30:48] And we played as defense and then we gave guys like roger like that movie put on the rant the other night

[01:30:55] It was it was different like the rants a top defender

[01:30:59] But he put like a little bit of that little penny back spin move

[01:31:03] Between whatever shot the filet and he was he made a little shoulder move

[01:31:08] And turn back around the rant was guarding at the free throw line

[01:31:12] He did a shoulder move the rants under the hoop

[01:31:15] Terry was here at the three free throw line shooting a jump shot

[01:31:18] Like it was that holding them a move to get you got like 10 feet of space off that move

[01:31:23] Yeah, I like the picture. I don't know

[01:31:26] Would he really adds because

[01:31:29] He's around

[01:31:31] Tyler hero size

[01:31:32] So so you got you know roger hero scary

[01:31:36] Robinson oh that's what it is

[01:31:39] That's

[01:31:41] You need uh we talked about pat bev is like you know shot the pat bev has a successful podcast

[01:31:46] I like him and I like him and the chemistry of the guy. Yes

[01:31:50] But we talked about pat bev average at 37 points in high school

[01:31:53] But in the league he's just a dog and he's a scrapper

[01:31:57] imagine being able to

[01:32:00] Take a guy who plays that tough of defense but also can score and he said look I want a score

[01:32:07] But this is what the league wants me to do. I think Rose years one of those guys is like

[01:32:12] He just was wasting away in Charlotte and then like I said I text you earlier

[01:32:19] Monday when we did our plaque we did the plaque as a recording

[01:32:23] I had these highlights playing in the back

[01:32:25] When the game went off we were trying to figure out some other stuff with the pod

[01:32:29] We were just having a conversation

[01:32:31] I looked over it was Kobe highlights from his championship runs

[01:32:35] So I'm saying here's what I'm just chilling a watching player

[01:32:40] I go take a shower tv still going to come back your reggaard sleep. It's clay tops and highlights

[01:32:45] So clay tops and like when you're scoring like 60 points on like five dribbles

[01:32:50] A little different little and a little things

[01:32:53] so Kevin the rant

[01:32:55] Stuff curry clay tops and draemon are on going to state

[01:32:59] Zach Levine was on Chicago and I was like he's been a Chicago that long

[01:33:05] And every year he's been on a trading block

[01:33:07] And every year nothing happens is very similar to what was going with Terry Rose years

[01:33:12] Like he signed that contract to get the to start we got the Charlotte signing contract under Jordan

[01:33:19] And it's like

[01:33:20] It's just wasting away here

[01:33:22] I think getting that new life that new lease on life down in Miami

[01:33:26] Most professional athletes for some reason love Miami. I hear great things about it

[01:33:31] Oh, I love it

[01:33:33] So it just might be a situation where like just getting the guy in a different place

[01:33:37] And then getting it with Spowe because you're not gonna be the you're not gonna be the guy that comes into that kind of a culture and lacks

[01:33:44] Because it'll be obvious

[01:33:46] It'll stand out and even people who don't know much about the Miami heat will be like

[01:33:50] Terry Rose here is a really embodied in what you know this this heat culture

[01:33:54] We don't even know what it really is people just know those two words

[01:33:58] So it looks like the rockets are

[01:34:01] Looking for a trade to trade away jailing green

[01:34:06] You know, so number two picking the draft gone awaii I guess uh word on the street is they want

[01:34:12] Makeel bridges

[01:34:15] You know um and are willing to give them I'm not doing that either

[01:34:20] I would like like if I was obviously I think Makeel bridges in Houston would be

[01:34:26] I think that would lift them somewhat but

[01:34:30] No, I don't like it either. We still got Minnesota and okay see duke it out

[01:34:35] For the top seeds in the west

[01:34:38] um

[01:34:39] Thoughts on what are your thoughts on

[01:34:42] Dock River saving the day in Milwaukee

[01:34:47] Uh, I don't think there's any evidence to support that dock rivers is gonna save the day in Milwaukee

[01:34:54] I think what dock rivers it might be able to do is just the bee

[01:35:00] a

[01:35:01] China trying to get the right words

[01:35:04] Yeah

[01:35:06] I don't know if they need saving in Milwaukee

[01:35:10] As much they need stability and sanity

[01:35:14] Because if they feel like this guy was driving crazy 43 games and or whatever scandal that you know

[01:35:20] Has really come to the like because something's coming with that because you

[01:35:24] Not just keep panagal his money because he lost a locker room in in four months

[01:35:31] Uh, I think dock rivers is a good coach

[01:35:35] I think he'll be able to

[01:35:38] Kind of showcase that he's a good coach because he has

[01:35:42] Pretty good you know cast the bandits to you know enact as you know his his his his philosophy is a good coach

[01:35:52] And I think they'll make a good run

[01:35:55] I think he'll he'll probably have a better run

[01:35:57] And Milwaukee then he had in Philly

[01:36:01] And I think even with that

[01:36:03] Milwaukee's run this year will be you know lengthier

[01:36:08] Then Philly's run so

[01:36:10] Even potentially with James Hardin and LA it'll be like some of the

[01:36:14] Vindication kind of circuit where it's like see what me

[01:36:19] But he'll have Dame Lilliannus to be the people that you know help

[01:36:24] Vindicate and validate his coach in the

[01:36:26] I don't know if he can say I don't know if they can survive with that court

[01:36:31] You know like so I was thinking about this earlier

[01:36:34] So let's just say they were to match up with like Cleveland in the playoffs

[01:36:40] This obviously they should beat Cleveland because of the experience they got the better players, you know all that stuff

[01:36:46] but

[01:36:48] You got

[01:36:49] Damien Lilliann and Malik Beasley trying to guard Daria's Garland and Donovan Mitchell

[01:36:55] Like that's where you drew holiday

[01:36:59] Hurts not having him hurt you

[01:37:02] So when I look at but that's but that's where a guy like doc can give you

[01:37:07] Something team defense wise to where these role players

[01:37:12] Will step up where a guy like James Hardin didn't

[01:37:16] And I wonder like

[01:37:19] Like Chris Milton as we knew him

[01:37:22] It's gone

[01:37:25] Correct

[01:37:26] You know what I mean so I don't know

[01:37:29] Unless people think and I mean it's possible unless people think Yannis and Dame are enough

[01:37:37] So when I look at Milwaukee matching up against say Boston

[01:37:41] And I know we just saw Milwaukee

[01:37:44] Demolition all over Boston a couple of weeks ago, you know

[01:37:48] Have a game

[01:37:53] Who stops

[01:37:56] Tatum in brown and then you still got to worry about presenters

[01:38:01] Like the only thing that will be Boston's downfall I think

[01:38:06] Is if they just can't hit their three head coach

[01:38:10] Yeah, they they average like they average 42 and a half threes per game

[01:38:16] Attempted

[01:38:19] You didn't know how many good shots they would get if they just pump fake on 18 of those threes

[01:38:24] I know it. I know it. They think they just black probably if you pump fake

[01:38:29] On a closeout and you take two dribbles

[01:38:33] When you're six eight

[01:38:35] Now you're at 16 feet

[01:38:38] The next closeout comes

[01:38:40] You moved ball moved ball moved ball

[01:38:42] And maybe it a better open three

[01:38:45] You just take the 16 footer

[01:38:48] I've been waiting for two just three for two thing three for two three for two

[01:38:52] Like yeah, it doesn't matter if you hold that damn squad is shooting 29% from three

[01:38:57] But that was me being an old man get off my lawn

[01:39:00] I've been waiting for Jason Tatum for the last two years

[01:39:04] I know is which I think he is

[01:39:08] I think he is too, but he just needs to be

[01:39:11] He just needs to be it more often

[01:39:13] Hey, Mike. Yeah, I think this season might be long

[01:39:17] It just might be too long and it's like you're gonna get

[01:39:21] 27 26 27 and then

[01:39:25] And that

[01:39:27] Second round matchup begins Philly

[01:39:31] You'll get 37. I mean this could be their last year as a contender in that way just off of the fact that

[01:39:39] Tatum's gonna get paid he's gonna get jailing brown money. Well that too

[01:39:43] I mean, I'm fine with that but I'm just saying I'm talking about like the legs though

[01:39:47] Of those guys got the young world yeah, they're young, but like they're not young like for real like so so like LeBron right

[01:39:55] Is the the anomaly the anomaly? I can't expect that everybody's gonna be like him where

[01:40:03] These guys got all these because they've been remember they were making the Eastern Conference finals

[01:40:06] Back with Kyrie was still in Cleveland

[01:40:10] Yeah, they that was

[01:40:13] He joined them

[01:40:16] 2018, Brian

[01:40:19] Seven years

[01:40:22] I think that takes a toll at some point

[01:40:25] Oh now when you don't have to work from June, October. I mean did it get if you just standing around work out

[01:40:32] You stand around

[01:40:35] Being young and athletic and you know having a

[01:40:38] Shep

[01:40:46] It's all about if the coach can make adjustments if the coach and adjustments and

[01:40:51] The postseason if he could just look at the film from the last

[01:40:54] last year

[01:40:56] Even e-may

[01:40:57] Take what e-may was the one that was working

[01:41:00] Just stuff courage has had a a light south game was it

[01:41:04] Game for the games

[01:41:09] Yeah, cuz they because the what's the bulls thing they wanted six go say one things right yes

[01:41:15] I was game four then game four because they were down to one so he had the 40 plus points it like

[01:41:21] Other than that they played a pretty good

[01:41:24] Series against Golden State this experience kind of overwhelmed them

[01:41:27] What he was doing last year was inefficient

[01:41:30] So if he just looks at that and this doesn't make those same mistakes like if you have a 16 point lead

[01:41:35] And other team builds on a run and it gets cut to seven just call time out

[01:41:39] Yeah

[01:41:40] Get the crowd out of it

[01:41:43] Or if you're at home call time out settle down

[01:41:47] Drop a good play to get a layup or dunk get the team back into it now you back up nine your teams into a audience

[01:41:53] into it

[01:41:55] Now don't really run down to a you down three when you're out 15 and four and a half minutes

[01:42:01] Yeah, so I'm no team. It just looked like one

[01:42:04] So you had an interesting question that I wanted to talk about

[01:42:08] Let's hear it. Well, no you asked the question is your question

[01:42:12] I forgot with because I've asked so many interesting questions. Oh come on. Okay. Okay

[01:42:17] I just don't know which one it was for the question it was

[01:42:21] Will there be?

[01:42:23] a 100 point

[01:42:25] Oh, okay. Yeah, that original game will chamberlain style or will a team get the 200 first

[01:42:34] So since you brought it up I'll give you the honors of answering it first

[01:42:38] Uh, I didn't generate this question. It was something I saw

[01:42:43] Kevin Garnett Paul Pierce when they're podcast their podcast together

[01:42:48] A lot of the chemistry

[01:42:49] Kavagarnett cusses his friends out a lot which I think is hilarious

[01:42:55] Uh

[01:42:56] So he walked into their studio like behind the scenes are they're setting up

[01:43:01] And this was after and be has scored 70 so the night that in B scored 70 cat dropped 62

[01:43:11] KG was like men's stew had

[01:43:13] 70 points in 37 minutes

[01:43:16] He's like that's crazy is like and then he's like yo, he was like yo, Pete

[01:43:20] You think we'll have what do you think it happened first a

[01:43:24] 200 point game

[01:43:26] Or a hundred point score

[01:43:30] Now that's a tough point is tough. It's tough

[01:43:34] But the only thing that does it

[01:43:38] The the 200 point game for me just seems

[01:43:43] likely

[01:43:44] Because you can just keep playing over times

[01:43:48] And then fresh bodies will get points

[01:43:52] Whereas even in multiple over times

[01:43:55] A guy getting a hundred but the fact that we saw like off the top of my head that I can think of

[01:44:02] Luca just dropped 73

[01:44:05] in B 70

[01:44:07] Uh, cat was 62

[01:44:10] At the cat scored 60 I believe

[01:44:14] He probably had

[01:44:16] Seven or eight more shots

[01:44:19] Some of them were bad shots

[01:44:21] But if you could have gotten some good shots and the coaches taken them out like

[01:44:25] offense defense subs to

[01:44:27] Like the last few minutes

[01:44:29] But if they could have just you know, they say they feed a guy when he is hot

[01:44:33] Right like I said this the the clay highlights where he dropped 60

[01:44:37] Devon Booker with 70 Dame had 70

[01:44:41] I've had also had Anthony ever sabotaging them too

[01:44:45] Yo, he was

[01:44:47] Anthony was out there playing like he had 62 points

[01:44:50] And that work order it didn't even look it didn't even I know

[01:44:53] I'm watching some podcasts and they said it looked like they were feeding him

[01:44:58] And we were recording. I was watching that was like

[01:45:01] I was thinking myself is like

[01:45:04] Why aren't they working

[01:45:06] To get him open looks the way that Steph was working to get

[01:45:10] Clay Thompson open looks and his that 37 quarter he had in a couple of 60 point games. We've like

[01:45:17] 60 points and 11 dribbles and you know little things like that

[01:45:21] James Haram to 60 point triple double

[01:45:25] Obviously Kobe with the 81

[01:45:28] So

[01:45:29] I'm looking at regulation

[01:45:31] Right because we had the 176 175 game. I think it was sectional LA last year

[01:45:37] But that was like triple over time maybe quadruple over time

[01:45:44] Yeah, triple

[01:45:46] Double over time

[01:45:47] Okay double over time yeah, so

[01:45:52] I'm gonna say the hundred point score

[01:45:56] For

[01:45:57] Based off the fact that

[01:46:00] Cat had 44 to hat time

[01:46:03] So that gives him an additional 24 minutes

[01:46:07] Granite 56 is a lot, but he wasn't perfect from the floor right in the first half

[01:46:13] so

[01:46:15] See I think that's the least worth 55 and the second half

[01:46:20] Mm-hmm to get his 81

[01:46:22] Right so

[01:46:24] 26 and he also scored 80 scores 60 plus against Dallas, Kobe being the he am talking about and sack the fourth quarter

[01:46:33] I'm looking up something right now because there's something I wanted to say

[01:46:38] um

[01:46:40] Because I

[01:46:43] I thought I was going to say

[01:46:45] The hundred point game

[01:46:47] Okay, you know because mostly because of

[01:46:51] All the three point shooting that's going on you know, so like

[01:46:57] What I thought about though is that

[01:47:00] If somebody would do if somebody would do the 200 point game

[01:47:04] It would have probably been the Warriors

[01:47:07] You know with the threes like like

[01:47:10] Well though they just shoot a lot of it was part of their offense to right right

[01:47:18] But I'm trying to find uh

[01:47:21] Trying to find this real quick, but yeah, so I was thinking about the Warriors because I was like between

[01:47:26] Clay and Steph

[01:47:27] You know to be like they both have gains when they've hit 12 threes or so

[01:47:33] You know so so theoretically if both of them hit 12 threes that's 72 points right there

[01:47:39] You know to be so like you're you're kind of there, but this is what I want to hear it is I found it now

[01:47:44] So when ambide had his 70 points

[01:47:47] He went 24 20 or 41

[01:47:52] But the part that I wanted to focus on was

[01:47:55] He only took two threes

[01:47:57] You know said because he's a big man, but he had a 12

[01:48:02] 23 20 here 23 and he hit 21

[01:48:06] And it just so happens that he is

[01:48:09] A big man that can't shoot free throws free throws right which is not normally a thing. So

[01:48:15] It would have to be somebody like him

[01:48:18] You know, maybe Anthony Davis, but I don't think Anthony Davis has the drive to do something like that

[01:48:24] Anthony Davis would have if so Anthony Davis would have to give you

[01:48:32] Nah because I don't know I can't see Anthony Davis giving you six or seven threes

[01:48:37] The cat when he had his 62

[01:48:41] He took 15 threes and hit 10

[01:48:45] But he only went to the first one

[01:48:47] Yeah, but he was like eight first first nine in the first half and he went to the free throw line 14 times and hit 10

[01:48:54] But this is what changed my mind

[01:48:57] About the 200 point game in the possibility of the whole

[01:49:01] Yeah, it is not the kings and clippers that you brought up

[01:49:06] The year was 1983

[01:49:10] Young two five young mr. logical were two-year-olds

[01:49:14] true

[01:49:16] And the Detroit pistons

[01:49:19] played the Denver nuggets in a game

[01:49:22] Went to triple overtime

[01:49:24] pistons won that game 186 the 184

[01:49:28] What stood out to me about that game

[01:49:33] Is

[01:49:34] That well not that game per se but that season

[01:49:38] Detroit

[01:49:39] For the season at eight players

[01:49:43] That didn't even hit a three-pointer that season

[01:49:49] You know the way like they hit they play 82 games now

[01:49:56] On the season that Detroit pistons team shot 141 threes for the season

[01:50:09] Yeah, so it was it was basically slightly like

[01:50:12] 1.7 or something like that like not even a full two three-point attempts again

[01:50:18] So I figure if a team can score 186

[01:50:22] And not shoot any three is it all right did I figure

[01:50:27] That because I mean the kings won that game that you're talking about they won that game by one point

[01:50:33] So they were a point away from going to a triple overtime and probably get close to 190

[01:50:38] So I think that's possible whereas a player scoring 100

[01:50:46] You still most coaches still sub and do all that stuff like Dame had 70 and last year

[01:50:54] Correct but they kept taking about the game and he was like but they needed all of that 72

[01:50:59] So that's that's the part of the other part because even even the six or seven

[01:51:03] Devin Booker winning scores 70 against boss and they still lost yeah, and then cat 62 against Charlotte

[01:51:09] They still walk and maybe you need to be out there and even with mb 70

[01:51:15] They beat the spurs by 10

[01:51:18] And as a team they scored 133

[01:51:23] So when I go back and look at it

[01:51:26] I just think the up real quick

[01:51:28] I think the amount of shots that it would take for one person to get to 100

[01:51:34] Is going to be the problem and because I mean everything has to fall into place

[01:51:39] You probably need at least 23 throws

[01:51:42] You know you probably need

[01:51:46] Somewhere between 8 and 103s so that's 50 points right there

[01:51:51] You know 103s

[01:51:53] 23 throws that's 50 points

[01:51:57] And then you still need another 50

[01:52:01] Just better two pointers

[01:52:04] So what you would need

[01:52:09] So if we looked around the league right now

[01:52:17] The way you're describing how this would go down

[01:52:22] It would have to be Luca

[01:52:26] He's young enough

[01:52:28] He's big enough

[01:52:30] He shoots enough threes

[01:52:32] He brings it into paint and in this 73 point game he went 25 of 33

[01:52:38] 8 of 13 from 3

[01:52:41] 15 for 16 from the three point line

[01:52:45] So it said mostly fished the 70 point 70 point game and NBA history

[01:52:52] So you would need

[01:52:55] But he played 45 minutes

[01:52:58] See that's only one and they won by five

[01:53:01] He would have needed overtime to get to Kobe

[01:53:05] And they only and they only won by five points

[01:53:07] Kobe did an in regulation

[01:53:10] Yeah, yeah, Kobe did it

[01:53:12] So

[01:53:15] Kobe Bryant the 67 points

[01:53:18] Yeah, 62 in the recorders against Dallas

[01:53:22] Yeah, so you would need a guy like

[01:53:25] I

[01:53:27] Got to have the ball in his hand a lot

[01:53:29] Cuz

[01:53:30] 60 points in off the 11 dribbles is that he hit 12 threes

[01:53:35] Who I could have saw doing it was hard

[01:53:42] If he just got hot from 3 1 night

[01:53:44] Back when he was in Houston, I could have saw Houston hard and doing it

[01:53:49] 100

[01:53:51] I know

[01:53:52] He had like triple doubles and all that kind of stuff

[01:53:56] Yeah, even Luke was pretty close to the triple double

[01:53:59] I was broke doesn't shoot well enough to do it

[01:54:01] But like he shoots enough to do it he just doesn't

[01:54:03] Yeah, he shoots a lot

[01:54:05] You would have thought iris would have been in position

[01:54:07] Do it but in the same sense

[01:54:09] You need a guy that could take a few

[01:54:12] A guy that could just take it to the cup and just get knocked

[01:54:14] That's what times

[01:54:17] Melody and shoot out of threes

[01:54:19] So mellow would have to shoot basically

[01:54:24] 29

[01:54:26] 31 or 40

[01:54:28] And get fouled in a lot of and ones but even then

[01:54:32] In a lot of twos he doesn't shoot a lot of threes

[01:54:35] So how about this

[01:54:37] Give me a player

[01:54:40] That you think

[01:54:42] Has the best shot to do it

[01:54:46] Best shot to drop 100

[01:54:49] This day and age

[01:54:52] Want to say aunt but he's gonna shoot the three well enough

[01:54:57] Luca

[01:54:58] But I don't know if the energy is there because he's a big body

[01:55:02] And then eventually

[01:55:05] If you get to

[01:55:06] If he gets to 50 points again

[01:55:08] If I'm the opposing coach, I'm like man put him in pick and roll

[01:55:12] Like make him exhaust himself because

[01:55:16] If he's seen if he's at the rim looks like the look inside the ocean

[01:55:21] He was shooting so like we got to do something

[01:55:24] I think kairi

[01:55:26] Because I think kairi goes out and the trenches a lot

[01:55:30] And he can get his own he can get his credit zone

[01:55:32] But I just don't know if he could do it what with Luca on the floor though

[01:55:36] It that depends on how it starts out he comes out

[01:55:39] 19 points in the first quarter

[01:55:42] And it's like he's

[01:55:44] Seven for nine

[01:55:46] Was some free throws and it's like okay, this might be his night and then he come on the second quarter

[01:55:50] Get you 20 to 24 points. I'm like that's why he

[01:55:54] Someone had to go into the locker room with nearly 40 points on I think check got to do it

[01:55:59] He said I think check I think check got to do it too small. He'll exhaust himself defensively

[01:56:05] He just he was he was really doesn't he's all enough right now to do it

[01:56:09] I think it it has to be it would have to be pause a meaty guy like a guy who could take pause take a pounding

[01:56:17] In order to do it because

[01:56:19] These up you'll get tired you'll get tired shooting jump shots

[01:56:24] I said paul

[01:56:27] I think set

[01:56:29] Like I said, it's chess plan. I'm not saying this year

[01:56:31] I put no

[01:56:33] General like they're playing the Lakers this year next year 80 and chess garden 80

[01:56:39] Yeah, he could probably cook 80 just off the yep the youth and athleticism and then shot

[01:56:48] Like he does a troop well enough from three but he can

[01:56:51] Like you know he's Kevin Durant. I think Kevin Durant is probably the prime guy because

[01:56:59] Whoever Kevin guard

[01:57:03] Not really. I don't think so because whoever Kevin guards

[01:57:06] Is going to be exhausted from guarding him and you don't put your you rarely put your best score on the KD

[01:57:15] Whereas these big men and B. Yoke's chat

[01:57:19] Wimby AD

[01:57:22] Mr. Boyle Portland aiden

[01:57:25] You know what that was you know what that sound was

[01:57:29] That was the NBA's wet dream

[01:57:32] Well, we got Lakers and nicks tomorrow night on ESPN

[01:57:36] Oh, yeah, I have a friend going today. Yeah. Yeah, that's a great garden

[01:57:42] But uh, yeah

[01:57:45] That's an actual like I think of all the guys Luca because I think he can

[01:57:50] I think he can withstand

[01:57:53] The the the the the the the physicality on the defensive end while maintaining

[01:57:59] His all offensive scoring and I think KD is just

[01:58:04] KD is such a great mid-range shooter great free throw shooter

[01:58:08] And he's such a threat with the ball in his hand with not a lot of dribbles. I think KD can get you 28 points

[01:58:15] In

[01:58:16] 17 like you know for 12 shots 12 13 shots

[01:58:21] Early in the game. So if he's on and like the goal is to like yeah, let's

[01:58:27] That's this exploit this matchup

[01:58:29] Uh because they keep you know Utah Phoenix they keep switching sex and on a KD for whatever reason

[01:58:35] Let's exploit it and he's getting elbow jump shots. He's getting you know, he's getting and ones off jump shots

[01:58:42] Things like that where like there's not a lot of contact

[01:58:45] But I'm getting three points anyway

[01:58:47] So I so I think KD KD or Luca um, I would say young LeBron maybe but he says such a

[01:58:55] Prefinity is just the past and get everybody involved. And Yannis could shoot it with you him

[01:59:00] Yeah, because he's there you can't you can't beat him up defensively right you can't stop him

[01:59:06] He just can't shoot

[01:59:08] Surprise you with some 11 for 18 from three kind of game

[01:59:13] But he yet the likelihood that happened. I don't know if he does that in warm-ups. You ready for this

[01:59:18] So sir, I got something for you

[01:59:21] So

[01:59:22] Usually when we close out the show sometimes we have this thing we call it close-in thoughts

[01:59:27] That's so generic and everything since we're gonna be talking about football

[01:59:31] I wanted to call it something else

[01:59:33] So what say you mr. logical

[01:59:38] Ha ha ha ha

[01:59:40] Uh, I heard something the other day

[01:59:43] Metta was kind of nervous. Well I've read something today and and kind of it was like a bridge from what I heard the other day

[01:59:50] um

[01:59:50] Marlon Hartfree posted on Twitter

[01:59:54] About bill bellicic check not getting one of the all season head coaching positions

[02:00:00] So the whole greatest coach ever should be put the rest

[02:00:05] But I heard

[02:00:08] I heard something you know, I think it was might have been first things

[02:00:12] It might have been cowherd and nick right

[02:00:15] What they said was like if you think about this season this all season the only real job

[02:00:21] That enticed a coach

[02:00:24] That wasn't planning on leaving their current position and joining them

[02:00:29] Was the LA charges job because of

[02:00:33] Justin Herbert

[02:00:35] next year

[02:00:37] Potentially

[02:00:38] If these seasons fall flat, I know we haven't got to show all yet

[02:00:41] But the seasons fall flat for some of these other teams

[02:00:45] Dallas you're still rocking with Dak 29 30 years old he'll be under contract because it's probably gonna give him an extension

[02:00:52] If Philly falters you still got Jalen Hertz

[02:00:55] That's probably a good job

[02:00:57] Buffalo that's gonna be a good job

[02:01:00] Jacksonville could be a good job. You have the quarterback in place

[02:01:04] And what was the other one? It was a fifth one

[02:01:07] It wasn't Cincinnati

[02:01:09] But since an A could be a surprise you think about that that could be one was like oh, I didn't see that happening

[02:01:16] And then wasn't it wouldn't have been Miami

[02:01:20] To really find Miami to really and I don't think people I don't think people jumped out the mud to be

[02:01:24] What about Kansas City of Andy Reef fires

[02:01:27] I think they're gonna go in house. I don't know if you I don't know like mat nag that's magic mat naggy's job. He's coached waves

[02:01:35] um

[02:01:40] I don't know Denver know it wasn't it was oh

[02:01:43] Chicago that's what it was if the expectation of Chicago draft Caleb Williams right so next year you could have Caleb Williams

[02:01:53] Trevor Lawrence

[02:01:55] Jalen Hertz that press caught

[02:01:58] Josh Allen and like out though in Joe Burrell pays off the fact that

[02:02:02] Cincinnati has high expectations since they went to school a couple of years ago

[02:02:06] Right

[02:02:08] I can see that like that's the that's the the coaching pool you want to be in

[02:02:15] This year if you didn't get the the chargers

[02:02:20] You're rolling right into the questionable decision making and quarterback. See this is what pisses me off get it off my chest

[02:02:29] Yeah, like

[02:02:32] Like

[02:02:34] I guess I'm just naive

[02:02:36] because

[02:02:41] I thought I think of coaches as

[02:02:45] Teachers and builders

[02:02:47] True you know what I mean so like

[02:02:50] You know we criticize

[02:02:52] players from wanting to take the easy way out

[02:02:55] And joining a super team or doing these type of things like that and I'm like

[02:03:02] I don't know like I just feel like as a coach

[02:03:07] There's some jobs you probably shouldn't touch like if I was a coach. I probably wouldn't touch Washington

[02:03:12] You know, but

[02:03:14] If I'm like

[02:03:17] Why couldn't Seattle be a good job

[02:03:20] By even though they don't have just how much obviously but that depends on how much you cap is tied into a quarterback that you don't think can carry you

[02:03:32] I think that's the element to it because I don't think

[02:03:36] I don't think Atlanta's a bad job. No, they got the talent. You just need a quarterback yet. You just need a quarterback

[02:03:43] But if I'm

[02:03:46] 60 year old

[02:03:48] You know harbock Jim harbock

[02:03:52] Do I have until I'm 62 to figure out if

[02:03:56] I got the right quarterback down here or do I just go with

[02:04:00] The one that's kind of already set up. It's tension is already signed

[02:04:04] I mean, I guess you just it's a great location. You take the job and say draft me a quarterback

[02:04:12] Well, if I'm not one through four realistically you got

[02:04:17] Chicago one

[02:04:19] Washington to watch into New England three

[02:04:23] And Arizona four I believe here is on a four

[02:04:29] You got two quarterbacks if there's six quarterbacks available in this draft that people really love the likelihood of

[02:04:37] All six of them being really really good. I don't like this so you're more likely looking at one great one

[02:04:43] One good one

[02:04:45] four journeyman

[02:04:47] so

[02:04:48] why would I go to

[02:04:51] Washington have to figure out do I think do I let this guy say and how I thought around for another year based off the

[02:04:58] Couple of games I had from the 2022 23 season and then the

[02:05:04] Kelly and they're right

[02:05:07] I mean, basically what Chip Kelly did with

[02:05:10] The dynamic of his team and I destroyed the locker room and call it all as players gang members

[02:05:19] But either way like he's still going to talk and sometimes

[02:05:23] It might not be a great thing to have a personality that big in your room

[02:05:27] I know you go and bring it chip Kelly. I think you just got rid of Jack Del Rio, right?

[02:05:32] You get rid of Jack Del Rio

[02:05:33] You got Eric Benemey in the wings and just in the hallways and that that's gonna be the conversation of you bring in chip Kelly

[02:05:42] And the office doesn't look any better than it does would be

[02:05:44] We are right

[02:05:47] You bet off just keeping beginning me like why'd you bring in chip Kelly a guy who already destroyed the Philadelphia Eagles core

[02:05:54] And then you got stadium and cord talking about all week. You'll have the Sean Jackson on podcast

[02:05:59] You know, we are though like a year our year anniversary and here we are talking about Eric Benemey

[02:06:04] without a job again

[02:06:07] Like I said man, I think as I posted on those groups you got a guy got 15 tender dates. He ain't got lead yet

[02:06:14] It ain't the dates

[02:06:17] I wonder a little one him

[02:06:19] I want to be clear he might not he might not be why think he might be a leader

[02:06:23] But I think that might be the problem is that his style of leadership may be outdated, you know so

[02:06:30] You know I heard Nick Saban cussing them boys out down to Alabama. I know

[02:06:34] Yeah, but Nick Saban is also like a six

[02:06:37] He's been saying he had three years

[02:06:39] I think I think I don't think it's a style. I think it might just be the efficiency

[02:06:44] No, I think that I think that

[02:06:47] He might not be good

[02:06:48] It might be always

[02:06:49] He could he could not be but I know you always talk about

[02:06:53] You know, we have like we've we've had multiple commanders throughout our career

[02:06:57] and

[02:06:59] You working in a unit for a year and a half

[02:07:01] Under one one commander you do a change of command

[02:07:05] And the year and a half you work with one guy is going pretty smooth

[02:07:09] People are winning awards the schedule works everything else this other person comes in

[02:07:15] And they just want to put their stamp on it

[02:07:17] And it's like you can tell off the rip like yo, you're doing this wrong

[02:07:21] I know you want

[02:07:23] I know what you want to get done here

[02:07:25] But you're not doing it right and I'm telling you that as another leader

[02:07:29] Granted, I'm not in the same position and titular as you

[02:07:32] Like I'm seeing you and she'll in charge. You're the commander

[02:07:35] We both have a leadership responsibility, but I'm telling you you're doing it wrong

[02:07:40] Be enemy might be one of those people that just comes at it just does it wrong

[02:07:44] Now I think like you ever remember you was telling me

[02:07:48] A quote or so that coach prong had about how

[02:07:53] He ain't trying to go to the NFL and coach dudes that

[02:07:57] Make more money than him or whatever and part of that is

[02:08:02] They ain't gonna put up with him talking to them the way he talked everybody else

[02:08:06] That's that's not part of it. It might be a situation where

[02:08:09] If you make if you're making 12 many years like okay, you're a

[02:08:14] Alive-backer

[02:08:15] You're making 12 million a year

[02:08:18] I got an undrafted free agent out of Fresno State

[02:08:22] And he's be you out in practice and we're three games into the year

[02:08:26] And it's like this dude's out working you he's making 895,000 miles a year you making 12 million

[02:08:33] And he said say well you only making 4 million

[02:08:37] That's a real conversation is like yeah

[02:08:40] He can probably talk to me kind of way once because he's very coach

[02:08:42] And granny you gotta do that tactfully you gotta make sure you balance it out

[02:08:46] But when it was down to it is like

[02:08:49] You might not be able to get through to some of these guys if they feel like solely like I don't have to listen you because I make my money to you

[02:08:55] Well, I think that I think that he would in a hell deal some of the guy who's gonna give him that money

[02:09:00] Well, I think that being a me just because you know like always reference the

[02:09:04] training camp comments about him being harsh and all that kind of stuff like that

[02:09:09] So I think

[02:09:10] Like he just hasn't

[02:09:12] matured

[02:09:14] Might be the right word like as far as

[02:09:16] It was like you don't need flowery language

[02:09:19] He know, I'm just trying to think no, I'm just trying to think about it because like back when we were you know coming up

[02:09:23] Whatever it was a certain way that you did things but then there was a point where

[02:09:29] He was like

[02:09:32] No, you know

[02:09:36] But even old school

[02:09:38] It's still equated to like I respect you

[02:09:41] Shady McCorn said he was like the way he talks like the way he talks to you

[02:09:46] It's but like I said that's only because

[02:09:49] That's never happened to move though

[02:09:52] That has been the move that's what NFL coaches were for their for our whole childhood

[02:09:56] You know what I'm saying it but what I'm saying is

[02:10:00] Is that the world has changed the the players have changed

[02:10:05] You know so like

[02:10:08] Because of

[02:10:11] offensive coordinators that weren't getting hired

[02:10:14] If it was a bunch of people in his position where

[02:10:18] He was the offensive coordinator or defensive coordinator routine that was going to championship rounds

[02:10:24] Every single year multiple years back to back to back

[02:10:28] If it was a bunch of guys

[02:10:30] Like if the Lions offensive and offensive coordinator

[02:10:34] Couldn't get it didn't get hired if the shanty hand didn't get hired in San Francisco

[02:10:40] If it was a bunch of guys not getting hired

[02:10:44] From these high profile positions then I would give you a little credence to that

[02:10:48] But the fact that he's one of the only ones that's not getting hired

[02:10:53] It's not the day and age. It's him

[02:10:56] What we got

[02:10:58] Tyrex Maxi the first player in NBA history

[02:11:01] To hit 7372's and 7th free throws in a game

[02:11:06] What is he is feeling doing?

[02:11:08] That's TNT but no I think that no but I keep what you're saying

[02:11:13] But I think that the difference is is that

[02:11:17] Most of these offensive coordinators are the other offensive coordinators

[02:11:21] Most of them are young dudes too

[02:11:23] You know what I mean?

[02:11:25] I'm just an old age

[02:11:28] Aren't the Smiths got a job. He's our age

[02:11:30] Yeah, aren't the Smiths a good old boy

[02:11:32] I mean his dad does own fittings so like yeah he's a good old boy

[02:11:36] But but no but like when you're thinking about somebody like

[02:11:40] Big Bay when he was an offensive coordinator and slowwick

[02:11:43] It's slowwick and

[02:11:45] Matt LaFlor has as are getting hired younger

[02:11:49] And I'm looking for the hot so so maybe maybe that's a part of it. Maybe aren't the enemy

[02:11:54] But he's been in the interview for years

[02:11:57] Yeah, I think he's up to like 19 or 20 interviews now

[02:12:00] Yeah, so

[02:12:01] So there's definitely elements right

[02:12:04] Right you need more it's a coach is it's not even like like because oh because he's black

[02:12:09] They want higher him

[02:12:10] It's kind of be him it has to somebody has to come out and say

[02:12:15] yo

[02:12:16] He is he just doesn't seem smart

[02:12:21] He does like will we ask in questions that aren't related to

[02:12:25] X's and those

[02:12:27] He does not seem like a bright person because some people can just know

[02:12:33] Like I knew a guy

[02:12:35] The scout from Florida. He was a jet engine mechanic

[02:12:38] He could work this shit out of a jet engine

[02:12:42] But he was an idiot when it came to like accounting for tools and accounting for the process post doing the work

[02:12:50] He can hear engine fire up and be like oh, you gotta go change this or we gotta change that

[02:12:55] Or we gotta oh we gotta do this blah blah blah blah blah

[02:12:58] He could do all this stuff in the engine

[02:13:00] He could get everything set all up

[02:13:02] He wouldn't know how to pull up the Tio

[02:13:04] How to write it up in the forms

[02:13:06] How to do anything else other than

[02:13:09] I know how to fix this engine. I know how this thing works

[02:13:13] I get my hands in here

[02:13:14] I can fix it

[02:13:15] And then if you stop him halfway through and ask him what pays the Tio he was on

[02:13:21] He wouldn't know

[02:13:23] He was good

[02:13:25] He could get the engine to work

[02:13:27] He can get the APU to work

[02:13:28] He can fix the

[02:13:29] He can do all of that stuff

[02:13:31] But when you sit him down in the office and ask him

[02:13:35] Why were you not on this page the Tio

[02:13:38] When you were on this step in the maintenance process

[02:13:42] He would not have an answer

[02:13:45] Eric being in the might be one of those guys where he can tell you all about how to beat cover three

[02:13:50] But he can't tell you what do you do when a rookie is late

[02:13:55] How do you handle a guy that's over sleeping at training camp

[02:13:59] How do you handle a guy that seems to sign his contract and get laxidaisical

[02:14:04] Maybe he doesn't have that tag that makes the team comfortable

[02:14:08] Or maybe he just flat out only knows how to call plays

[02:14:14] And that's all that and that's and it's like yeah, we need you to be able to do more than that

[02:14:18] We need you to be the face. We need you to be articulate. We need you to

[02:14:22] To kiss the babies and shake hands and

[02:14:26] You know go to the white house and go to the parades

[02:14:29] We need to do we need to go to the corporate front of razors

[02:14:32] We need you to go to do all those other things

[02:14:36] I mean

[02:14:37] So like that's that's that's part of it because we're having this conversation the first was a race thing

[02:14:43] It's a lot of black coaches. They got hired a lot of them are successful

[02:14:46] Right him getting the second chance top goals got a second chance

[02:14:50] By and left which he probably I don't say you ruin his shot

[02:14:53] But he definitely was then he was making demands of a team that just hired him like oh you got your rid of this guy

[02:14:58] It was like

[02:15:00] We just brought you here to build it like you don't get to make demands

[02:15:03] I'm not coming and then it get duck Peterson

[02:15:05] But I'm pretty sure he'll get a shot

[02:15:09] So it just like I know you know, I don't know how much they hold his pass against them by just think that's trying to play

[02:15:14] Just trying to play that was advocate

[02:15:16] Maybe it's just it's not in the cards for him to be a coach

[02:15:21] Yeah, I think that's where we are

[02:15:22] You know, it's over

[02:15:24] unfortunately but

[02:15:26] You know, I mean maybe one day we'll hear about it in the book or something

[02:15:30] You know

[02:15:31] Somebody better go to Twitter like that stuff. I want to see you on Twitter

[02:15:34] I want to hear that in the podcast. I don't want to hear all this other stuff. I've been hearing

[02:15:38] I want someone who's no because he probably interviewed for a tabbed bay job when it was opening probably interview for the

[02:15:48] Now just I mean hello. He interviewed for the place

[02:15:51] Yeah, he interviewed for half the league he interviewed for Washington job

[02:15:54] He probably interviewed for the Atlanta one time. Yeah, a couple years back and then they went out and won a Super Bowl and

[02:16:02] But granted you know a lighty job just told fieldy pot. I think you probably interview for the lost and it was job

[02:16:08] Yeah, you know, so there's probably a lot of jobs at interview for it

[02:16:14] short of

[02:16:15] They just don't like him. It has to be something either on a personal sense

[02:16:21] Or just a view that yeah, I don't know if this guy is

[02:16:26] New England material or Atlanta material whatever it takes to be so

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