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[00:00:09] Yes, you are now listening to the sounds of Sports Reports As Ordered.

[00:00:16] And we are two days away from the beginning of a crowning of our sixth new champion in the last six years.

[00:00:28] Will it be Boston? Will it be Dallas? Mr. Logical and I got the answers.

[00:00:34] And then we go and talk about the thing that everybody's talking about even though we don't like to talk about what everybody's talking about.

[00:00:41] We got to talk about it. It's the one and only Caitlin Clark.

[00:00:45] It's the one and only Women's National Basketball Association.

[00:00:51] And now that I've mentioned him, let me do this the right way.

[00:00:55] We got the even kill. Born in Texas, raised in V.A., representing new jerus.

[00:01:03] Ain't nobody represent new jerus like this since Redman came on the scene.

[00:01:10] P-Neck, Millville, Britton, Camden, stand up.

[00:01:15] He is Mr. Logical.

[00:01:17] Yerrr.

[00:01:19] And I'm down here in the Alamo under these heat advisories.

[00:01:23] He index 117 degrees and that still ain't hotter than my tapes.

[00:01:31] Going left so much that you thought I was southpawed.

[00:01:35] I tried to tell you about Deontay Wilder.

[00:01:38] He still ain't gone left yet.

[00:01:41] I am.

[00:01:43] Ufa. Let's get this thing started.

[00:01:47] Yo, he was practicing that spin move.

[00:01:49] Yeah, but he spun the wrong way.

[00:01:51] That's the problem.

[00:01:53] And I saw right before we came on, I saw boots in his opponent has to drop out.

[00:01:57] So they got to find a new opponent for him.

[00:02:00] You know, we got Tink coming up in a few weeks.

[00:02:03] So, you know, boxing is back, I guess, for the time being.

[00:02:06] But real quick, get it off my chest.

[00:02:08] Nothing too serious, nothing too crazy.

[00:02:10] But I just want to let people know I'm taking it back to the days of black sheep.

[00:02:15] The choice is yours.

[00:02:18] I hear people complaining about people like Stephen A Smith.

[00:02:23] I hear people complaining about people like Skip Bayless.

[00:02:26] And yet somehow these dudes are still on TV because they still have support.

[00:02:32] Like we complaining about it, but people still watching it.

[00:02:36] So I'm gonna tell you about something that I'm a complain about that I'm not watching.

[00:02:40] I'm tired of y'all sending me these clips of these dudes talking about these hypotheticals.

[00:02:46] I don't care if the 2004 Pistons would beat the Golden State Warriors or not.

[00:02:51] They wouldn't, first of all.

[00:02:53] But I don't care.

[00:02:55] You know, I don't care what Draymond Green has to say unless it's in the context of a postgame comment.

[00:03:02] You know, saying unless it's in the context of we got him mic'd up during a basketball game.

[00:03:10] You know, saying I don't even want to watch Paul George play basketball.

[00:03:13] So I couldn't care less.

[00:03:14] But he got to say, you know, saying I don't even what's next.

[00:03:18] I'm gonna have to listen to James Harden too.

[00:03:21] You know, so what's happening here is this is still your fault public because y'all have these Jordan LeBron debates every day.

[00:03:32] So now it's seeped into podcasts and sports media to where now you got Draymond Green arguing with Rashid Wallace.

[00:03:44] About who would win when the Pistons were out here winning game 77 to 71 and Golden State was damn near scoring 77 and a quarter.

[00:03:54] Why are we doing this?

[00:03:57] Why Jeff T. telling us that James Harden is the third best shooting guard of all time?

[00:04:02] Why he's saying that Kyrie Irvin is a top five point guard of all time?

[00:04:06] Y'all keep clicking on it.

[00:04:09] That's the answer.

[00:04:10] The choice is yours.

[00:04:13] You know, saying and I even need Captain Planet to tell me that.

[00:04:16] But let's get into this.

[00:04:19] Even though this is a talk show.

[00:04:21] This is a podcast.

[00:04:22] We do a lot of talking.

[00:04:24] The time for talking is over because on Thursday night, the tip of bank garden.

[00:04:33] You got the Dallas fans in Boston fans on Twitter arguing about which city is the most racist.

[00:04:42] I don't know the answer to that question, but I know Boston races as hell.

[00:04:47] Yo, keep it a beat.

[00:04:49] I had an outstanding weekend in Boston a couple of years ago.

[00:04:52] Boston is a great city.

[00:04:54] Yo, so even my pops told me it was racist.

[00:04:57] The airport is like, you know, your airports on an island somewhere, man.

[00:05:02] It's not even Massachusetts in the middle of the Atlantic.

[00:05:05] It felt like the airport is in Bermuda.

[00:05:08] Yo, it was ridiculous.

[00:05:10] Yo, I had a good time in Boston.

[00:05:11] I got some of these free drinks, free food.

[00:05:13] I was having a ball.

[00:05:15] I do love clam chowder.

[00:05:17] I've been known to slam some clam chowder.

[00:05:19] I was getting the old fashions and those rules and like the expensive overpriced tequila with the little silver cap.

[00:05:27] Yeah, I was getting that on the low.

[00:05:29] I was having a ball in Boston.

[00:05:31] Yeah, I love it.

[00:05:32] He was like, what Boston did you go to?

[00:05:34] Even the people from Boston was like, what Boston did you go to?

[00:05:37] Forget that new addition from Boston, you know, say Boston got some black roots, you know.

[00:05:41] I was hanging out in Fenway.

[00:05:43] But anyway, let's get to this.

[00:05:45] We did get word today that Christophe Porzingis is back for game one of the NBA Finals.

[00:05:53] We don't know.

[00:05:54] Is he going to be able to pitch count?

[00:05:56] You know how effective he's going to be.

[00:05:59] But first thing I want to ask you, Mr.

[00:06:01] Logical before we even get into all this.

[00:06:03] Yep. Yep.

[00:06:04] Can Boston win this series without Porzingis?

[00:06:09] Yes.

[00:06:10] Okay.

[00:06:11] Let's hear it.

[00:06:12] I didn't think he was going to play when I made my proclamation a couple weeks ago in our group that I thought Jalen Brown was going to be the Finals MVP.

[00:06:24] Just because I just think that Boston, granted they haven't been tested like I said, they only played 14 games in the playoffs this year and people can call it a cakewalk.

[00:06:33] Well, they played a whole season and won 64 games.

[00:06:36] So it's not as if they won 51 games in a regular season and it was close.

[00:06:43] And then the team that they played in the playoffs, it would have been evenly matched and they lost their star.

[00:06:50] They were still out matching these and outclassing these other teams anyway with their star player available.

[00:06:56] Jimmy Butler in Miami, he didn't have enough firepower to beat them in a seven game series.

[00:07:02] Cleveland didn't have enough size to beat him in the seven game series.

[00:07:06] And Indiana didn't have enough experience or defensive mindset or concepts or constructs at all to beat them in a seven game series.

[00:07:13] So I think they would have beaten anybody on the way to the finals.

[00:07:16] Maybe they would have played 14 games or they would have played 16 games versus the 14 that they played.

[00:07:23] Like I said, they still wouldn't close these teams out.

[00:07:27] I'm not sure what Kristoff's going to do.

[00:07:30] I imagine he's coming out with the second unit.

[00:07:32] Like I said, I haven't heard any reports about him getting any contact, any 5 on 5, any 3 on 3, if he was running.

[00:07:40] The only report that I've even seen pop up on social media or even through some of these sports outlets that we do get our information from was today when I saw that he was going to be ready for game one.

[00:07:50] Everything else was, he's not going to be ready. He's not going to be ready.

[00:07:53] He's not going to be ready and then boom, he's ready.

[00:07:55] But I didn't hear anything in the middle, anything about his rehab, anything about what the injury actually was.

[00:08:00] It just was calf.

[00:08:02] You know, so is it the upper part of his calf?

[00:08:04] Was it a strain?

[00:08:05] Was it a pull?

[00:08:06] Was it a tear that needed to heal?

[00:08:08] Is he going to play with a sleeve?

[00:08:10] You know, if it was worse than what Jamal Murray was dealing with because you remember back in the Lakers series they were concerned that Jamal Murray might not play game three.

[00:08:20] You know, so obviously still played and hit the game winners two out of those four wins that they had.

[00:08:26] So I imagine that Kristoff's going to come with the second unit.

[00:08:31] And you know, I imagine he gets 22 to 24 minutes tops.

[00:08:39] I can't imagine him playing more than that.

[00:08:42] But Joe Missoula, I always call him Mike.

[00:08:47] You never know. He might have a different plan for us.

[00:08:49] He might obviously he knows more than what we know and he might really just put him in the start line up and run with it.

[00:08:54] Who knows?

[00:08:55] Well, you know, Mr. Logical, I had a dream.

[00:09:00] I had a dream that all through the TD Bank garden there were Boston fans crying everywhere.

[00:09:11] I had a dream that Kyrie Irvin took a pass from Luka Dantic right side of the court, pulls up over Drew Holiday and hits a three to put Dallas up by four in game seven.

[00:09:31] I had a dream that Dallas won this series.

[00:09:38] And then I woke up, dog.

[00:09:41] I woke up.

[00:09:44] You know, saying, as I look at this series, you know, going back to Przingus for a second, you know, Boston is 46 and 15 in the games that he's played this year.

[00:09:53] So going to be a tall order here.

[00:09:56] This is where I think Dallas runs into trouble.

[00:09:59] So let's exclude. Let's push the Clippers series to the side for a second.

[00:10:04] You know, Dallas is first round series. Let's push that to the side for a second.

[00:10:08] When I look at the second round and the Western Conference Finals.

[00:10:13] They had to worry about SGA.

[00:10:16] And they had to worry about Anthony Edwards.

[00:10:18] So those were two guys that could get their own buckets.

[00:10:22] And you didn't have to worry about anybody else really creating their own shot.

[00:10:26] You know, Nasri got hot for a game.

[00:10:28] Jada McDaniels got hot for game one, but they weren't going to be able to keep that up and they weren't going to be able to create those shots for themselves.

[00:10:36] The problem they run into in this series is that if Jason Tatum has an off night, Jalen Brown's waiting.

[00:10:44] If they're both off, Derek White could hit four to five threes in a game and do it consistently.

[00:10:51] You know, if you look at Drew Holliday, he's been making plays all over the place to steal against Indiana, timely shots.

[00:10:59] Al Horford can have a game where he gets you four threes.

[00:11:02] Porzingis, if he's healthy, you know, can have a game where he gets you 25.

[00:11:07] This is the first time because, you know, Kawhi missed the first round or most of the first round.

[00:11:12] That's why I wanted to put that to the side.

[00:11:14] So this is the first time that Dallas is really playing against a team that had multiple ways to beat you on a given night.

[00:11:22] And it doesn't have to be a star.

[00:11:24] And when I look at Dallas, you know, PJ Washington, for example, against the Clippers, he shot 31.3 from three.

[00:11:33] Against OKC, he shot 46.9 and against Minnesota, he shot 25 percent.

[00:11:39] What that says to me is inconsistency.

[00:11:43] So can PJ Washington hit enough shots because Dirk Jones ain't going to do it.

[00:11:49] You know, Hardaway hasn't been getting minutes.

[00:11:52] So even if you do play him, is he in rhythm?

[00:11:55] You know, Dante Exum and how did I get a thing?

[00:11:59] And how long is his leash? If you put them out there and how long do you allow if you put out there?

[00:12:04] Yeah, you got to get in a rhythm.

[00:12:05] But if he comes on, he goes over three between the timeout that he gets put in the game and the TV timeout.

[00:12:12] He might be back on the bench. Right.

[00:12:14] And then last thing real quick before I toss it back to you, you know, now with poor Zingas out there,

[00:12:21] this is where I complain about the new NBA because we always talk about how teams Jack threes and you know,

[00:12:28] even if they have mismatches that they can get to the basket with.

[00:12:31] Well, Boston, this is the series where Boston shouldn't want to go to the paint.

[00:12:37] You know, said if you got poor Zingas and Horford out there, Lively and Gafford coming out here.

[00:12:44] They're coming to the free throw line.

[00:12:46] They're coming to the three point line.

[00:12:47] They're coming to the corner.

[00:12:49] They're everywhere but in the paint.

[00:12:51] So this is the series where Boston should play the way that they play.

[00:12:57] Yeah, you're going to get a lot of power.

[00:12:59] I think he moves a little better and then he has experience over Lively.

[00:13:04] Lively is such a big body.

[00:13:07] I don't know, I think Cleaver just gives you the same thing.

[00:13:10] Like he just pulls Horford away from the basket.

[00:13:13] I don't think Cleaver does anything for you in defensive end as far as like, I don't know if he helps.

[00:13:21] I don't know if he can switch on to Jalen Brown because you know they use Horford in the pick and pop a lot

[00:13:29] because he can shoot the three.

[00:13:32] He's a big body, he's a smart guy and he'll be able to get these guys over.

[00:13:38] So if you switch to Cleaver on to Jason Tatum, as long as Jason doesn't shoot that side step back three,

[00:13:46] like if he gets that switch and he attacks the paint, it lights out.

[00:13:51] Or Gafford comes over, Lively comes over and it's a foul or you just get a dunk.

[00:13:57] You get the crowd into it.

[00:13:58] Those first two home games are going to be crucial because Boston, you know,

[00:14:01] they say they dominated regular season at home but they just get a little flaky in the playoffs.

[00:14:05] But I think also because they were better than these other teams, I don't think they ever felt pressed.

[00:14:11] But now you're in the finals. They've been there two years ago.

[00:14:15] This is Lucas' first go around, first time for Kyrie and eight years.

[00:14:20] That's a long time. That's a big gap in between.

[00:14:23] So I give the experience edge ironically to Boston just because I think they've been in bigger games over the last few years.

[00:14:30] Well, there is something that we were talking about last night when we were on Cups in the Gang that could prove to be relevant, right?

[00:14:41] But what if Dallas wins game one?

[00:14:46] If Dallas wins game one, I just I can't say they will win game two.

[00:14:58] I thought about it last night because I think I said something like they probably win a game two.

[00:15:02] I think just the way Boston can shoot the ball in order for if Boston shoots the ball well, Dallas won't win game one.

[00:15:09] So if they win game one, that's probably going to be attributed to Boston going something like 10 for 41 from three.

[00:15:17] And then you're relying solely on Tatum and Brown and they're putting up a lot of shots.

[00:15:21] The ball is not moving because role players are more at.

[00:15:27] Pritchett gets a long rebound off of a miss three by Dallas.

[00:15:31] He's more apt to pull that one on three, three point shot if they're up eight versus being down four.

[00:15:41] I think he brings the ball up and they set the offense up because I think the role players know.

[00:15:46] Like, yeah, we got a little cushion. I can get busy too.

[00:15:49] That's how these leads go from eight to 16 to 22 to 25.

[00:15:55] It's because each role player gets comfortable with the gap in the lead.

[00:16:01] If it's a tight game, it's probably a tight game because Boston isn't hitting a lot of threes.

[00:16:08] But if that's the case, I don't see Boston shooting poorly two games in a row, especially at home.

[00:16:16] Like maybe the Jitters, maybe the rest of like I said, I think the last game they played was a week ago.

[00:16:21] Yeah. So they're going on like eight or nine nights without playing any basketball.

[00:16:25] And like I said, I don't know what the practice schedule is. I don't know if they lighten up.

[00:16:28] I remember like I thought about when Ohio State and the Florida Gators played for the National Championship game.

[00:16:34] I remember Urban Meyer, they interviewed him and asked him like, what was your process?

[00:16:38] Because it was like 40 days between the end of the season and the National Championship game.

[00:16:43] He was like, we practice every week like we had a game on Saturday.

[00:16:47] We just didn't have the game Saturday.

[00:16:49] So has Boston been practicing as if they had a game and a break in a game and a break and they practice a couple of days or did they rest for three or four days in a row?

[00:17:00] And then they get back to practicing. So like, yeah, if there was a game one, I can't imagine losing game two because I can't see them shooting poorly two nights in a row at home.

[00:17:10] And there's a lot of storyline here. Obviously Kyrie back to Boston goes without saying, you know, there's also Porzingis against Luka or against Dallas.

[00:17:20] However, we want to frame that and another storyline that I was thinking about now.

[00:17:26] This may not apply because Jason Tatum has been here before, but I was wondering, you know, 2011, you know, LeBron was the villain.

[00:17:38] And to some degree that played a role in his mental health.

[00:17:43] I don't think that applies to Jason Tatum per se, but does Jason Tatum have a certain pressure?

[00:17:50] You know, like he's been getting criticized all playoffs, even though he's been averaging 30 for the most part, you know, in all of this, like he's been getting criticized 39 and four.

[00:18:00] Yeah, Jalen Brown just won Eastern Conference Finals MVP.

[00:18:04] Is there a certain level of pressure that because El Residente brought this up on Cups in the Gang on Sunday?

[00:18:13] You know, if Jason Tatum comes out trying to win finals MVP, Boston's going to lose this series.

[00:18:19] I don't think of that as his personality.

[00:18:21] Yeah, I don't think so either.

[00:18:23] And I don't think that applies to Jalen Brown.

[00:18:25] I don't think either one of them play that way.

[00:18:28] I think I'm not sure if it was trying to get a different, try and find a different comp.

[00:18:39] If it was the Clippers, James Harden, Westbrook, Paul George, Kawhi, I can see one of those four guys maybe doing a little too much.

[00:18:53] Kawhi and Westbrook and Harden pressing.

[00:18:55] Yeah, pressing for legacy, pressing to prove the doubters wrong, the haters wrong.

[00:19:02] So at this point you think Tatum is just like, let's just get this room, man.

[00:19:06] Tatum and Brown, if you look at the trajectory of their career, it's been nothing but success.

[00:19:12] Like they haven't had bad years ever.

[00:19:15] Like they were never a poor team.

[00:19:17] They were in Eastern Conference Finals.

[00:19:19] We're looking at six years, two NBA finals.

[00:19:23] They got knocked out by man.

[00:19:24] Like they kept getting knocked out by Miami.

[00:19:26] It wasn't as if they were getting knocked out in the first round.

[00:19:28] Like if you think about like, if this was like Giannis and Dane, Giannis has been getting bounced, losing games, getting hurt.

[00:19:37] He might want to go back and re-prove.

[00:19:41] Allow me to reintroduce myself.

[00:19:43] Introduce myself. You know what I mean?

[00:19:44] Like what I did in 2021 was Nafluke.

[00:19:47] And he would come out and be over the top and hurt himself.

[00:19:51] I think Tatum and Brown, I think they're so locked in because they've been through this whole thing together the entirety of each other's career.

[00:20:02] You know going back to back drives.

[00:20:04] One stat that stood out to me that I just thought was absolutely ridiculous.

[00:20:09] How do you attempt 18 alley-oops with Carl Anthony Towns and Go Bear on the backside?

[00:20:17] They were stargazing.

[00:20:19] It was so many.

[00:20:21] Like I got to stand here.

[00:20:22] Derrick Jones Jr. shot 60% from two.

[00:20:27] That's nuts.

[00:20:28] Because he was getting nothing but lobbed.

[00:20:30] He was missing every jump shot, but he got so many lobbed dunks.

[00:20:34] They were getting it from half court.

[00:20:35] They were just Luka watching because they were so in about getting the switch that the big was focused more on Luka getting to the paint versus the three guys who are only out there to catch lobs.

[00:20:48] So if you watch the Minnesota Dallas series at all and you're a defensive strategist and the coaching staff of Boston, if you let that happen to you, you should just sign it throwing your resignation because you know what's coming.

[00:21:04] And that's why I was not getting the ball on the block and give you the dream shake.

[00:21:09] You just not getting it.

[00:21:10] He's getting the ball in the air at the rim.

[00:21:12] And that's it.

[00:21:15] And that's why when I look at this for Dallas to win games in this series, I feel that they're going to need the late game heroics.

[00:21:25] You know Kyrie is going to have to come through with daggers.

[00:21:28] Luka is going to have to hit a step back with four seconds left or something or like at the end of a shot clock.

[00:21:34] Something along those lines.

[00:21:35] I could see Boston winning their games by double digits in this series.

[00:21:40] So so that's where like for me, that was another reason why I'm going with Boston in this series.

[00:21:46] And you know before I say how many games and all that kind of stuff, you know Boston still hasn't lost on the road yet in the playoffs.

[00:21:54] Another question is can they speed Luca up because Luca plays at a very deliberate pace.

[00:22:01] You know, can they make him uncomfortable?

[00:22:03] Can they do they have enough defenders, effective defenders?

[00:22:06] I think the answer is yes.

[00:22:08] But do they have enough defenders that will frustrate him to where remember when they were playing OKC, I bought up Lou Dort and I said, yeah, Luka could get his 30 points.

[00:22:20] But can I hold them to 11 for 30, you know versus 17 for 30 or you know whatever.

[00:22:27] Can I keep him off the free throw line?

[00:22:29] You know, six to eight times a game.

[00:22:31] Does Boston have that kind of defender?

[00:22:34] Because Lou Dort was just he was taking open threes but mainly he was out there to get six files on Luka.

[00:22:41] Right.

[00:22:42] He was out there harassing Luka the whole time.

[00:22:44] You're not going to speed him up.

[00:22:46] I think the only time I recall him being frustrated was game one against OKC.

[00:22:51] And then like I said, between games one and two he had that I'm Kevin Durant, I'm Luka, I'm Luka Donch's moment because in game two he didn't argue with the rest.

[00:23:00] He didn't fall.

[00:23:01] He just he just and I think from game two through game five of the Western Conference Finals, he played with that calmness that I'm Luka.

[00:23:13] I'm shooting from 27 feet.

[00:23:15] I'm shooting from the logo.

[00:23:17] I'm cussing you out in Slovenia and I'm cussing you out in English.

[00:23:22] I'm calling you a bitch in front of your girl and your newborn kid like I'm I'm Luka.

[00:23:27] And I think he had that that moment after game one.

[00:23:31] And he's been on the tear ever since.

[00:23:34] I think he still is going to play that way.

[00:23:36] I just don't know how effective his role players are going to be because those guys have they have to defend.

[00:23:44] They have to defend on the defensive end, whereas they could just rebound and defend the paint because go bears going to be around the hoop.

[00:23:51] Cat is going to shoot threes, but cats shoot so many threes that you didn't need a big on him.

[00:23:57] Right.

[00:23:58] You know, you could play him with I think Derek Jones Jr was on him a lot.

[00:24:03] You know, like you can play him with a match up with a six, six guy, six, seven guy because he was playing like a six, five.

[00:24:09] He doesn't use his ties and he couldn't because go bear is somewhere down there.

[00:24:14] Right.

[00:24:16] And gaffers hanging out.

[00:24:17] So I think it would have been effective if he could have knocked down the shots.

[00:24:21] It would have maybe caused Dallas to switch up their defense where I think Horford is going to knock down his or if it's going to get open looks.

[00:24:30] I think he's going to knock those down, which is going to cause Jason kid to make an adjustment.

[00:24:34] You know, I don't think he's gonna be overwhelmed, but he will.

[00:24:38] He'll have to break the shell a little bit of whatever his base defenses.

[00:24:42] If Horford starts hitting threes and if Derek White starts hitting threes and if you and if like I said, if you pull lively and gaffer or if you put power in the game, you pull them away from the hoop.

[00:24:53] I'm not sure what on ball defender can even stay in front of Derek White.

[00:25:00] Jason Tatum.

[00:25:01] Sounds like you're with me for the most part that Boston should win this series.

[00:25:08] Would you feel that way?

[00:25:11] If the coaches were swapped.

[00:25:14] We talked about this in the pre meeting.

[00:25:16] If Dallas like says to think I was picking Boston's like last couple rounds.

[00:25:24] I only a couple of times this playoff run.

[00:25:27] I saw Missoula in the eight.

[00:25:29] Like I said, one game against Cleveland.

[00:25:32] He had Pritchard, how was that coordinate white and Tatum on the floor?

[00:25:39] And I just and they still had Donovan Mitchell.

[00:25:43] I think that girl and Donovan Mitchell.

[00:25:44] It's like Darvin.

[00:25:45] Is that you?

[00:25:46] I just was like, what are you trying to get out of this group you have out there?

[00:25:51] Like, are you trying to just give an extended rest to Drew, Al and Jalen Brown so you can maybe just kind of I think they had.

[00:26:03] I think the game was close.

[00:26:04] It wasn't like I think it was like maybe it might have been a game that Cleveland won as well.

[00:26:09] I think that it might have been like a five point game and Donovan Mitchell kept driving the paint and it made it's like a nine or eleven point game before you call the timeout switch the lineup up.

[00:26:20] So long as he doesn't put that lineup out there against Dallas, I think he's fine.

[00:26:25] As long as he just keeps.

[00:26:28] Size like you could put how's and Pritchard out there together.

[00:26:32] But you're going to be Horford and Jalen Brown, and Jason Tatum out there with those two guys or if you're going to I just don't see what Dallas can do without.

[00:26:43] Besides Kyrie and Luca in the pick and roll game, but I don't think Missoula would use that if he was Dallas's coach.

[00:26:51] So like I think Boston would probably sweep or winning five games if we swap the coaches.

[00:26:58] Well, I think if you think about it, NBA players.

[00:27:02] Yes, in game they're shooting like 29 like you got Derek Jones, you shooting 29% from three.

[00:27:10] I think P.J. Washington, I think his percentage was somewhere around like 32 or 33.

[00:27:18] But if you if your offense is designed to get open looks.

[00:27:24] You give a guy too many open looks and that hoop starts looking like an ocean and they just start falling like cat that one game that Minnesota won.

[00:27:34] One went in, then another one went in and when it was like 92 90 in previous games he probably didn't shoot but he had knocked down two in a row.

[00:27:44] He shot the other one from the corner made it 9590 he was hype like it was only a five point lead but he was hype because he was feeling it wasn't like he was they were trying to claw back and he hit the three and it made it 98 93 and they're still down five.

[00:27:59] Putting them up five it just and then he came back and hit another one.

[00:28:03] You know, he ended up eating with like four five from three that game.

[00:28:07] And that was the only game that they won but that confidence when you see a couple of go in like Luca in game five.

[00:28:14] When he hit that. I think when he hit his second three, and then he hit the logo.

[00:28:19] Long night.

[00:28:21] Because you can't even defend that you can't defend any player in the league that has a green light that Luca has, and he's hitting from the logo.

[00:28:30] And that's where and that's where poor Zingas and Horford come in, because, you know, taking it back to the regular season.

[00:28:37] You know, poor Zingas was 37 and a half from three. Horford was 42% from three. So if that's anywhere near where they are in this series, then there's not even because I know one of the things that you always bring up is Gaffer likes to bite, he's aggressive going for the block, you know, but but if he's not even there.

[00:28:58] You know, it's open lane is open season for a whole game jail and brown can go get you 30 easily he almost like Jones out trying to get a block.

[00:29:09] And hit the layup on like the step through. I look up Gaffer and Jones on the ground I'm like, dog it's you up 30.

[00:29:19] Yeah, it was like game.

[00:29:22] Boston's Boston's got the rest. So you know I would be concerned normally for somebody like Horford and holiday. You know being a little longer in the tooth if you will, you know, but they've had a week now.

[00:29:35] I mean, so you know, I think they're fine. You know Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown are obviously still pretty young.

[00:29:42] So, I don't expect much issue there. So, the advantage that Dallas could have isn't even there because Boston got rid of Indiana faster.

[00:29:52] Yeah, that was that was a smart move to really to really press that that game one I think that game one against Indiana should be a lesson that if I'm Missoula.

[00:30:04] Joe Missoula Mike Missoula Noah Missoula anybody named Missoula I'm putting on game one of the in the Eastern Conference Finals and say, we can't do anything that we did in this game prior to Jalen Brown's last shot because that's when they turned it on.

[00:30:21] Jason Tatum had 10 points that overtime, but everything prior to that was just poor they had leads a 12 that went away like that went away effortlessly.

[00:30:31] It wasn't like Indiana was like firing up threes was like you had lead a 12 boom. Now it's tie game, get another lead at 12. Boom, it's a tie game is like, you can't get this to 131415 against his team at home game one at they just played seven grueling game with Tom Thibodeau's Knicks.

[00:30:51] They should be exhausted it should have been done and you should have you should have put run them off the floor in game one. That's the film that I'm watching. That's what I probably would have had them watch it every day.

[00:31:01] And I'm sorry to my Laker fans out there, but I got Boston grab at number 18.

[00:31:12] I'm a call it Boston and six, though.

[00:31:17] I really feel like Boston in five, but I'm just giving Kyrie that respect, you know because of his clutch ability he is my favorite player and all that stuff that has nothing to do with breaking down a game.

[00:31:30] You know, I'm just going to say, oh, why got to be all that.

[00:31:35] I'm just saying that at the end of the day, you know, Boston is the better team.

[00:31:42] And, you know, as me a lot Mr logical had this conversation a couple of months ago. Sometimes the simplest answer is the best answer.

[00:31:51] You know, because Luca is the best player in this series.

[00:31:55] You know, then I would probably go Jason Tatum.

[00:31:59] Then I would go Kyrie jail and brown, and then like the next three or four is Boston.

[00:32:05] Yeah, you know to me is how I look at is how I look at this. So sometimes the simple answer is you know what Boston's just a better team. They won 64 games this season, they clear their conference by 15 games and into the playoffs.

[00:32:23] Sometimes you just got to follow the team.

[00:32:25] Yeah, so yeah I got Boston and six.

[00:32:31] I said it could be five. And we say it's just like, like you just mentioned, if you go back and forth Luca Jason Kyrie Jalen did its white holiday.

[00:32:42] For zingers, you know, dark white before I get to PJ Washington.

[00:32:48] And then with PJ Washington I think Peyton Pritchard can give you Peyton Pritchard gives you the offensive power that PJ Washington gives you but he gives it to you as he can initiate it.

[00:33:02] That's the difference with Boston is like they have guys like how's our has a green light. He's firing up threes and he's playing, you know, moderately good defense with the help.

[00:33:12] So, you know, Pritchard can initiate his own offense. Derek White can drew holiday can if he wants. Whereas Dallas, you put Luke on the bench.

[00:33:22] Kyrie is in the shade offense. You put Luca and Kyrie on the bench, you're not going to do that.

[00:33:29] I mean Dante Exum is a point guard bigger point guard but I don't know he runs the team.

[00:33:35] I don't think he officially can run the team get you points. No, he's not he's not he's not a threat to create points on his own whereas Pritchard you can put you holiday on the bench.

[00:33:44] He might not give you the same defensive prowess but you can still run the pick and pop with him and whore for you can run the pick about with him and take them.

[00:33:51] One action for him to get him open for corner threes is like you can run so many things for different players that Boston puts on the floor.

[00:34:00] Maybe that's why he had to coordinate how's their Pritchard thing out there because it's like, you can do so much with this team because so many guys have the freedom to shoot through like he said he wants to shoot 43.

[00:34:12] So some of that is the LeBron conundrum, where you know you play a certain style that's through your star that when the stars off the floor or off or file trouble.

[00:34:25] The team can't function that well even if you have someone like a Kyrie. And that's how I view Dallas, you know where like to your Exum point.

[00:34:34] You know, there's a certain way and a certain rhythm a certain style with Luca out there that can be replicated. You know there's some teams out here that you know you can take your point guard off the floor, and the team doesn't lose much value.

[00:34:49] If everybody else is out there. Dallas isn't one of those teams.

[00:34:53] Yeah. You know so so yeah so both of us got Boston in six.

[00:34:59] Over under.

[00:35:02] Before the WNBA season ends.

[00:35:05] Caitlin Clark is going to find herself in eight headlocks.

[00:35:11] I'm gonna take the under but she will get elbowed another 16 times.

[00:35:15] Right so look, we talked about this, you know way back when I called out the first lady, because you know she invited Iowa to the White House. When LSU won the national title for the everybody gets a participation trophy moment.

[00:35:30] You know, here we are. Caitlin got her revenge during the NCAA tournament this year sent Angel Reese's team home.

[00:35:38] Now we're in the WNBA Caitlin's got the attention.

[00:35:42] A lot of these women don't seem to be very fond of Caitlin Clark or the attention that she's getting.

[00:35:52] So, where are we Mr logical what is the state of the WNBA.

[00:35:58] The state of the NBA is simply this.

[00:36:03] I, I, there.

[00:36:09] What is a favorite line of mine is like, you're the cat that got the canary but you're too busy looking yourself.

[00:36:17] You have, you have the gifts is like, it's just basically like you have, you have the thing that you're asking for. Right, want the attention. You need it. You needed more fans in the seats, you needed things to justify this expectation and this desire to get paid more money.

[00:36:35] You have those things being put in place based off the attention that you're getting from this one particular rookie and then you add in Angel Reese as well you had in camera brink you add in.

[00:36:49] Rekia Jackson Jackson you add Cardozo is back Cardozo you got the back to back WNBA and my girl Nika Mule ain't even shown up yet.

[00:37:01] Then you got what she got her visa she's good to go. Yeah, so she's playing games now so then you got Becky Hammond who was highly regarded as one of the best coaches in basketball men or women on pops up staff and San Antonio.

[00:37:14] She has back to back championships.

[00:37:17] Finals MVP just got her signature shoe deal. So you have, you have all of these things we have people talking about your league.

[00:37:27] And it's like, y'all should have been doing this a long time ago. Well, you gotta, you gotta sell us your league, it's not the responsibility of ESPN ESPN signs the deal, but you have to be the one upfront selling your league the WNBA offices in New York City, NBA offices

[00:37:45] in New York City. Times Square is one of the most visited places in America, all over the world. They need billboards of their stars. They have great stars in New York City playing for the Liberty.

[00:37:57] I nesco Brianna Stewart probably had the best college basketball career of any person ever played basketball.

[00:38:06] It's up there with cream up to the ball when he was the law center and at UCLA for NASA championship I think she wouldn't play in a year three years on a rope they had like a win streak of 100 games.

[00:38:18] She's right there in New York City, not on any billboards.

[00:38:22] So they have to advertise their own league, and this is what they're getting advertising that they want.

[00:38:29] Yeah, maybe it's too late. Maybe Donna Taraji should have been highlighted more when she came out of UConn because she was a star like I said, do you know where I am and say we got Diana they don't.

[00:38:41] All these legends. Now you have to find a way to retroactively give them credit for what they did to build the league while simultaneously using the momentum that's created by Caitlin Angel Cameron, you know all these young women that came into the

[00:38:57] the league, the fashion now they got the walk in cameras now. Now they're doing their their fashion thing and you know like the men were doing it in the NBA with basically wearing same outfits.

[00:39:08] Yeah, they got skims.

[00:39:10] Now I mean they got the skim deal so you got Kim Kardashian is pretty famous as I'm not saying it's like a Taylor Swift kind of thing but it's like exposing her fan base which is huge.

[00:39:20] The Kardashian fan base is huge to women's basketball and then you get them. You got them in India, you have these teams in major cities you got you have granted Caitlin Clark is in Indiana probably the smallest of the market but she is the.

[00:39:33] She's the most polarizing star right now.

[00:39:36] Yeah, but then you have Angel in Chicago you have Cameron in LA, you have like Sabrina who almost beat Steph in the three point contest.

[00:39:45] Like, people thought it wasn't even gonna be close I'm like yo she can shoot she didn't play with boys her whole life she only played with girls in college because you could might have beat them if she shot from her own line.

[00:39:56] Like I said she shot from the NBA line and yeah I think he won by one and people act like see the shirt belong, like he, he is the greatest shooter of all time.

[00:40:06] And she almost beat him at his own game.

[00:40:10] Right. And first of all, before I even answer this question man. It's about time to take that damn picture down by now man. You know, how much torture can a brother take, but anyway.

[00:40:24] Yeah, that was my expectation that we were headed towards towards Bird and Magic because not only did they play in the NCAA tournament two years ago for the national title.

[00:40:35] They played again this year.

[00:40:38] They played again this year, and Caitlin got her revenge. So we're even Stephen you know if you will. So we get to the WNBA. The problem is, we can't have Bird and Magic because neither one has necessarily hit the ground running yet.

[00:40:54] Like when they played last week, the final score was 71 to 70 and Angel went two for nine shooting layups.

[00:41:03] You know, just last night or two nights ago, Caitlin had three points on one of 10 from the floor. You know she's shooting 35% overall 29 from three. So they can't be Bird and Magic right now because they aren't playing up to that billing right now, you know

[00:41:21] But that was the intention I believe. You know, so with that being said, you know where we are is Caitlin has brought in a new audience that the WNBA hasn't had as far as numbers wise.

[00:41:39] And as I was telling Mr. Logical off air, you know this is like where I never see Asians talk about boxing unless it's a Pacquiao fight.

[00:41:49] So there's a lot of wrong people that are being attracted to the WNBA now through Caitlin. You have people who want to see women's basketball explode like myself, you know and fans that have been there from day one who want to see the league get what they feel the league deserves.

[00:42:09] But you got all these emboldened knuckleheaded borderline to actual racists that are infiltrating the game and the conversations as well.

[00:42:22] Turning it to a place where Bird and Magic didn't go because there was no social media at the time. We knew the Lakers were the urban black team.

[00:42:32] And Justin was the blue collar white team that was being supported in that way.

[00:42:37] Real scrappy gym rats.

[00:42:39] Whereas hard screens and pick and roll basketball yeah.

[00:42:45] Right, whereas Caitlin, you know we talk about winning time with Reggie Miller, you had the small town Indianapolis going against big time New York City. So you had that dynamic in play.

[00:42:58] And here you got Caitlin in Indiana, the small little town against Angel that's in Chicago. So you still have some of the remnants and elements of the Bird Magic situation.

[00:43:11] They just aren't there yet as players which is fine because they're rookies they'll get there. You know but the problem is is that the rest of the league now I think is caught up in a lot of the stuff that I'm talking about the online,

[00:43:26] the talk, the Twitter, you know people out here calling Angel and Kennedy Carter thugs and all these type of things like that. So you know now we're having a different conversation whereas like for example, one of my favorite players Dejane Carrington.

[00:43:43] You know of the Connecticut Sun. You know you got Alyssa Thomas who gave Angel Reese the sleeper hole body slam.

[00:43:51] You know they're not in over right now.

[00:43:55] And they're only the seventh team in WNBA history to start nine and oh, but we're talking about Caitlin.

[00:44:03] You know I can understand why people are upset now they shouldn't be beating her up like you know what I mean they shouldn't be beaten up Caitlin Clark, you know even though she does do the thing with the referees that you know we get mad at NBA players for with

[00:44:18] the whining and the complaining. Caitlin throws elbows she pushes people and nobody calls her out for it. You know what I mean? So that's the best part of the problem is that she's not being held to the standard that these thugs are even though to a lesser degree she's acting out some of the same behavior.

[00:44:38] Yeah, but that's been the case for the last couple years. She waved off Hailey VanLiff and said you're down by 15 when she was talking trash to her. She's a competitor. She's a bit of a front runner but most three point shooting stars are like that because you need that kind of cocky swag to hit that step back, side step, dribble, three pointer from 27 feet.

[00:45:02] And I get it. But she's also very young like I have a 21 year old son. I'm teaching lessons we learn lessons to this day. I have a 20 year old son. You know it's like you're learning things that you go along. The issue is, I'm not sure if she's getting the tutelage that she needs.

[00:45:22] That's why she's kind of acting out because she was given a silver spoon fresh out of Iowa. I'm glad you said that. Yeah, I'm not like I'm not gonna deny that. Like those things. No, not that part. The part you said prior to that. I'll get to it. I'll get back to that. Oh, as far as like maturity. Yeah, I'll get back to that. Oh yeah, it's it's very immature to argue with the ref the entire game or the pipe, pout and whine. That ain't where I'm going with it though. I got somewhere else to go with that. People call it intensity. People call it, you know, gamesmanship. You

[00:45:52] want to be involved. I get it. But in the same sense, the WNBA overall can benefit from the exposure and I think they're kind of allowing themselves to fall into this social media.

[00:46:07] They're just playing out in real life in lieu of just saying they should be putting out when someone drops, I think a few players this year have already scored 40 points in the game. There's been some blowouts of like 30 or 40 points. Yeah, I like that.

[00:46:25] That like, you know, out here looking like the White Howard. So we talked about like we talked about Luca and Tim Hardaway. If Tim Hardaway was the the cash cow of the Dallas Mavericks and he went one for eight, but Luca dropped 40. You can talk about his one for eight, but talk about Lucas 40 first.

[00:46:45] Luca put up 40, 10 and 10 and then you can talk about what everybody else did. It seems like now because she's so polarizing and it can attract so much attention. It's whatever she did. Like, oh yeah, she had like 30 points, but she went like 11 for like 23 or something like that to get the 30 points. And I think they still lost. But the thumbnail that they shared is like all of her points.

[00:47:12] So, okay, did they win the game or not? You know, so it's like,

[00:47:15] Turnovers that, you know, the turn over.

[00:47:18] But the reason I'm glad you brought up what you brought up is because that's part of my problem with all of this. And I'm not saying that you're wrong and I'm not accusing you of anything as Stephen A would say, I am not casting any aspersions.

[00:47:33] But this is what I see online. People talk about Caitlin's maturity and how she might be a little immature. Black athletes don't get that excuse.

[00:47:44] You know, no, we don't know.

[00:47:46] We don't.

[00:47:47] They say you're immature when you do something that like

[00:47:52] Not in that same way. Not as a defense. Usually immature is an insult.

[00:47:56] No, you don't mean because society because society society has taken white women, you know, and we talked about this pre meeting.

[00:48:06] You know, the crying moms and all that stuff. The victimhood, you know, they've taken white women and decided that white women are delicate.

[00:48:15] You know, and we've decided that black women are tough. They have this exterior and it's not even aspiring. It's not inspiring like, wow, look at what she's overcome.

[00:48:26] It's tough in a brute masculine kind of way.

[00:48:29] You're tough. You can deal with it. You can handle it.

[00:48:31] Right. Right. And that's where and that's another part of because there's a lot of layers to what's happening.

[00:48:38] And I think that's another layer of what these women have a problem with.

[00:48:42] They're not handling it the right way. What Kennedy Carter did was wrong.

[00:48:46] There's no excuse for it.

[00:48:47] Now, Caitlin did elbow her might have been inadvertent on the on the prior trip down to court.

[00:48:52] She did come down to court jacking their jaw and, you know, running and talking her trash.

[00:48:58] Yeah. But if you can't handle that once it's not about that, it's not about that.

[00:49:02] It got to be about is that on.

[00:49:04] No, it's that on top of

[00:49:06] that. She's a part of it.

[00:49:09] Then everybody got to deal with it.

[00:49:10] No, that's just a part of it.

[00:49:12] The problem is we when we talk about race in America, gasoline that already is that becomes that becomes a sole part of the conversation.

[00:49:20] And we just kind of lack context.

[00:49:22] I get it. She's a white girl and she's good at basketball.

[00:49:27] Let her just be good at basketball.

[00:49:29] It's like she's not carrying a torch for white girls and basketball.

[00:49:32] She's getting her ass kicked.

[00:49:34] I think people are pandering.

[00:49:37] I don't like I don't like the pandering either way, but I definitely like the pandering that people do when we try to get black people.

[00:49:44] They try to get us riled up about and make everything about race.

[00:49:46] Something is simply about she's hot.

[00:49:49] She's going to make us money.

[00:49:51] I go right there.

[00:49:52] There's a totally different dynamic.

[00:49:54] Yeah, there's a totally different dynamic if the races are reversed and these are a way of thinking about it.

[00:50:03] These are white women that are beating on a black woman this way.

[00:50:07] I think the whole thing, the whole conversation is different.

[00:50:09] The tenor is different of the conversation.

[00:50:12] Yeah, but they were all talking like Diana Taurasi was they were shitting on her before when they were in the turn.

[00:50:19] They're saying it's going to be a rough ride.

[00:50:21] That's not shitting on her.

[00:50:22] And I say, you know, but it was they definitely were not they were not a fan of hers.

[00:50:27] And it was the tone was very clear, which is fine.

[00:50:30] I'm good with that.

[00:50:31] So it wasn't like she's absolved of any kind of criticism.

[00:50:34] I'm simply saying that.

[00:50:37] Because of the attention that came from this year's tournament and this crop of players, look what you got out of it.

[00:50:45] She's not getting any favorable treatment.

[00:50:47] Her team is still losing games.

[00:50:49] It's not like she's getting their team getting 50 free throws a game and they're just letting her do whatever she wants.

[00:50:55] They're still losing games.

[00:50:57] They want a couple of games here and there, but they still got to have one.

[00:51:00] New York, they want like one or two games.

[00:51:03] I haven't checked the record, but they get that ass with the New York.

[00:51:05] They got that ass with by Vegas.

[00:51:07] I think they've been getting spanked.

[00:51:10] It's not like she's getting so much treatment that a mediocre team is winning games because she just getting a lot of attention because that's what you do when you are the when you are.

[00:51:22] Consider it like you've you've served everybody else and now you're the the queen of the league.

[00:51:27] That's what people are upset about.

[00:51:29] It's not that she's getting favorable treatment.

[00:51:32] She's getting shit on just like any other rookie would be having bad games.

[00:51:37] It's just that they like to talk about her.

[00:51:40] They like to highlight her.

[00:51:41] We are talking back to the original question.

[00:51:43] So that brings me back to the original question.

[00:51:47] All pub good pub.

[00:51:49] Yes, because they need it.

[00:51:51] They they need the publicity.

[00:51:54] Think about the Golden State Warriors claim the fame over the last 30 years.

[00:51:58] You had run TMC.

[00:52:01] You had Baron Davis when they beat Dallas and then it was quiet.

[00:52:06] You couldn't find a Golden State fan outside of Northern California if you tried.

[00:52:12] And then they got the player that became Polarize and he dropped fifty five in the garden, a player fresh out of tournament.

[00:52:19] People say, oh, you can't win a game like that.

[00:52:22] And they end up winning four championships out of in eight years.

[00:52:25] Mm hmm. You you just need someone.

[00:52:28] You talk about Kobe coming out of high school, people like they thought he was too cocky when he put his head down.

[00:52:34] So he's taking his talents in NBA and he went 18th got traded for Vladi Divac because people like, oh, you can't win like that Jordan.

[00:52:41] But he also got a lot of criticism, though.

[00:52:44] She's not getting that criticism where everyone we're all criticizing her.

[00:52:47] No, no, no. We're criticizing her as far as, oh, she went one for ten.

[00:52:53] She's supposed to be the savior or whatever.

[00:52:55] I'm talking about I'm talking about where we turned when we turned on the TV, the media was talking about Kobe and how his immaturity this in X, Y, Z, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:53:09] They were talking about this jump shooting team, blah, blah, blah.

[00:53:12] The media is basically like, no, why won't they just like that?

[00:53:17] Caitlin Cook.

[00:53:18] I am her only person I heard say that was shut up the club.

[00:53:23] 520 was what's the board name?

[00:53:27] I keep forgetting his name and we've said a lot of people have said that because he's brought the league.

[00:53:34] Jeff T said, listen, he's like, he's like, I think I think they're doing it over all.

[00:53:37] He's like, he's like, I think they should let her cook a little bit just to get the attention, like not let her just when on sports TV.

[00:53:44] I don't think but once again, that hasn't come to fruition.

[00:53:49] That's just that's just people creating a marketing scheme through via conversation.

[00:53:55] That isn't tangible to what's actually happening on the court.

[00:53:58] What's happening on the court is she's getting that ass whipped every single night.

[00:54:03] That's what I'm saying is like she's not getting any perks on the floor.

[00:54:07] All the perks have been spread out amongst all of the WBA teams when they got planes.

[00:54:13] They have stadiums, the 18, the fever outsold the Pacers in the playoff series.

[00:54:18] They did just went to the Eastern Conference finals and the fever had more people at the game.

[00:54:24] That's what they're all are getting.

[00:54:26] Everyone's ignoring the fact that they are all benefiting from the hype train that is Caitlin Clark.

[00:54:34] Right.

[00:54:34] Along with all the rivals that she had over the last few years,

[00:54:38] it's the perk of these top college female college basketball programs staying at the top.

[00:54:44] Because if you think about if you have like Duke, Kentucky, UCLA when they were good,

[00:54:50] Arizona, if these teams every single year were one and two seeds and they were making it to the

[00:54:56] elite eight, we would know who these players are.

[00:54:59] But the men's league, they don't they don't make it that far.

[00:55:03] A lot of guys who want and done so you don't get the fall in love with the player in the college

[00:55:07] uniform, whereas women I think they have to play like three years.

[00:55:10] Yeah, they either have to play three years or they have to be 22.

[00:55:14] Yeah.

[00:55:14] So you get to follow what's up commodity.

[00:55:17] You get to follow Don Staley.

[00:55:19] You get to follow Jenny are you already in and page Becker's and she's coming back for a

[00:55:23] fifth year.

[00:55:23] You get you're going to get two more years of Juju out in USC.

[00:55:28] So we're going to be able to create they're going to be able to use this as a launching point for

[00:55:34] the next round of players coming up because we are going to be is just as enamored with

[00:55:40] page because I think people like her more.

[00:55:43] I think her maturity level is higher than Caitlin.

[00:55:46] I think Caitlin, she her dad had to yell her at this tournament two months ago from the

[00:55:51] stands and told her to shut up.

[00:55:52] So it's like we know she's working on it.

[00:55:54] So it's like I just it's just for people to just act like, oh my God, I cannot believe this is

[00:55:59] the case. This is the case in every single sport.

[00:56:01] You have certain teams that drive the needle.

[00:56:04] You have certain players that drive the needle.

[00:56:06] Back with Odell Beckham Jr.

[00:56:08] He never won.

[00:56:09] I don't think he was all pro.

[00:56:11] I don't think he was like first team, second team, all pro.

[00:56:13] He just was polarizing and people talked about him all the time.

[00:56:18] They talked about how he organized a trip when he went down to Miami for New Year's and

[00:56:21] that's why they lost a playoff game.

[00:56:23] He got all that attention, but it brought a lot of attention to the Giants.

[00:56:28] They were on primetime games.

[00:56:30] Aaron Rodgers, another polarizing guy who probably should work on his maturity and

[00:56:34] his ego. But the Jets who were a mediocre team to poor for the last four or five

[00:56:39] years and talk about all puppy and good pup, they have more primetime games than

[00:56:44] almost every other team in league besides the size of cheese.

[00:56:46] And then she's going back this year.

[00:56:48] Yeah, I think this year it's the Jets, Cowboys and 49ers that have six.

[00:56:53] They have six, five or six.

[00:56:55] OK, and so going forward, I mean, so as far as beating Caitlin up, you know, we

[00:57:03] need one or two things to happen.

[00:57:05] You know, we need Caitlin to just start busting their asses, you know, saying

[00:57:10] or we need somebody on Indiana to take on that Charles Oakley, Draymond Green

[00:57:16] roll, the hockey goon, if you will.

[00:57:19] And if you touch Caitlin, I'm touching you.

[00:57:23] You know, and so you may get yourself.

[00:57:26] Hopefully I'm not advocating for a malice in the palace or anything like that.

[00:57:32] But, you know, but that but that might be closer to what we need to get back to

[00:57:38] the basketball than we have right now.

[00:57:42] You know, but yes, you're correct.

[00:57:44] The things that the attention that Caitlin has brought to the league are things

[00:57:49] that some of us and some of the WNBA players probably never thought they would

[00:57:54] see, you know, the private Jets, you know, you know, like the different

[00:58:01] amenities that 16000 people watching a game being sold out weeks before you

[00:58:07] play the NBA arenas games in prime time.

[00:58:10] Like we looked it up earlier.

[00:58:11] The NBA finals, if it goes seven games last game will be June 23rd.

[00:58:16] Yeah.

[00:58:16] The WNBA has four games scheduled that day.

[00:58:20] Three of them are going to come on at three o'clock and the prime time game

[00:58:24] for their level prime time six o'clock game is the Indiana fever or Chicago

[00:58:28] sky on the day that it would be game seven of the finals that will

[00:58:32] probably start at eight 30.

[00:58:34] And then I've got a message for my fellow.

[00:58:37] They know what they're doing.

[00:58:38] They just got to like, they just got to ride this wave out.

[00:58:40] Like I think people just want everything to be smooth for some reason.

[00:58:43] I think because we look at social media and we only see the good parts

[00:58:46] right. We only see the filter pictures.

[00:58:48] We only see from the chin up with the angles and everything in the Photoshop.

[00:58:52] I think people are so used to seeing perfect that they don't understand

[00:58:55] like, yo, sometimes shit is ugly.

[00:58:57] Even though it's successful still process.

[00:59:00] And I think people are just, I was saying people was like, this

[00:59:04] is how it looks, she's going to get roughed up.

[00:59:08] She's a polarizing figure.

[00:59:09] It's the same thing when Peyton Manning came into league,

[00:59:12] number one overall pick he threw a bunch of interceptions.

[00:59:16] They didn't trade them.

[00:59:18] It's going to be rough like the I think the people told me, oh, she's the goat.

[00:59:23] They were talking about her college career.

[00:59:26] She had a great college career.

[00:59:28] And now she's trying to transition to the professional league

[00:59:31] with women who've played in the states for 50 or 60 thousand dollars

[00:59:36] a year. Then they've gone to Europe and gone to Russia

[00:59:39] and they played in harder circumstances.

[00:59:41] They've they've gone through the ringer and she came through

[00:59:44] she's getting a little bit more shine than they feel she deserves.

[00:59:47] Cool. You make her earn it.

[00:59:49] But in the meantime, recognize that you might earn more money

[00:59:54] on the back end based off of this new wave of players coming in,

[00:59:58] because we know these names, we know Paige Beckers is going to come out

[01:00:01] next year. We know Juju Lacka is going to come after that.

[01:00:05] It's going to be more of these names.

[01:00:07] And as we get there, Angel Wilson, we're going to get more of her.

[01:00:11] Kelsey Plum, going to get more of her.

[01:00:13] Becky Hammond is going to be a lot of conversations.

[01:00:14] And can she coach me?

[01:00:16] You're going to get the conversation going about everyone right now.

[01:00:21] The polarizing conversation is just got to let it bubble.

[01:00:24] And and you know, and I do have a message for my fellow Baltimorean.

[01:00:29] You know, the one and only by you, Barbie,

[01:00:33] you know, I don't know if she ever settled on a new nickname.

[01:00:35] I know she was looking for one.

[01:00:37] But look, Angel,

[01:00:40] you either got to be the villain or not be the villain.

[01:00:43] You know, saying you can't do this tweener thing.

[01:00:45] You know, you said you were willing to be the villain back in college.

[01:00:49] You know, you wanted to be the foil, not wanted to.

[01:00:52] But the media was putting you in a position to be the foil

[01:00:56] to Caitlin's hero arc.

[01:00:58] You know, own that.

[01:01:00] He's just got a double technical and the jacks out of the game.

[01:01:04] See, there you go.

[01:01:05] You just got to something very minor.

[01:01:08] Look like she just waved the referee off like,

[01:01:11] yeah, you just got to own it.

[01:01:12] You know what I mean?

[01:01:13] You can't be sitting up here in the press conferences.

[01:01:16] Oh, I don't have anything against Caitlin.

[01:01:18] Like we're just competitors.

[01:01:20] And then when Kennedy knock her on her ass,

[01:01:23] you over there giving her the celebration like she just hit

[01:01:25] the game winner in game seven.

[01:01:27] I mean, own it.

[01:01:29] Own it. We had the bad boy pistons.

[01:01:32] Own it.

[01:01:32] I'm pretty sure Spike Lee and Reggie Miller don't really have beef.

[01:01:36] But when he was busting the Knicks ass, he looked right at him.

[01:01:39] It was like, this is your fault and gave the chosen.

[01:01:42] The way Reggie always the same thing to the sixers

[01:01:46] when he saw Kevin Harter.

[01:01:47] So I go to the press conference.

[01:01:49] Reggie didn't go to the press conference and say,

[01:01:52] oh, I was just in the zone and I just got caught up in the moment.

[01:01:57] Reggie was like, yo, we hate New York.

[01:01:59] You know, say own that like, you know, say own that.

[01:02:02] You know what I mean? That's all it is.

[01:02:04] Is you either going to be the villain or you're not going to be the villain.

[01:02:08] You're going to walk around doing what you do and people are going to do

[01:02:11] these things, say these things about you.

[01:02:13] If you're the villain, you've got to be prepared to handle that.

[01:02:16] And that goes back to the word you used.

[01:02:19] Maturity, you know, saying you said something that you might not have understood

[01:02:24] the full meaning of or or understood

[01:02:28] the consequences that come with being the villain.

[01:02:31] You just got to look at like every time there's a mic in your face,

[01:02:34] you don't need to make the statement.

[01:02:36] You don't need to give a Martin Luther King.

[01:02:37] I have a dream speech every single time is microphones in your face.

[01:02:41] Sometimes you've got to say this, you know, the simple statement,

[01:02:44] you know, it was a good game, it was hard for our game.

[01:02:46] You know, we wish we would come out with the W.

[01:02:48] You know, Kennedy was the villain.

[01:02:50] Kennedy was like, I ain't answering no questions.

[01:02:52] I ain't say nothing to her.

[01:02:53] She ain't say nothing to me.

[01:02:55] Like move on. And then the teammate, you saw the teammate was like, hey,

[01:02:59] let's move on. Like, yeah, this was Kennedy already to beat up

[01:03:02] some teammates in the past.

[01:03:03] So, you know, no, there's a place for that.

[01:03:08] There's a place for the villain.

[01:03:09] And that's the thing that sometimes people don't understand.

[01:03:12] But Angel Reese is not out here lacking.

[01:03:16] She like I said, she has her brand being sold in Dick's Sporting Goods.

[01:03:21] She's doing what she needs to do.

[01:03:23] She is she is capitalizing on the era that we live.

[01:03:27] The brand is the way of her being the villain.

[01:03:31] I don't know if there anybody's a villain that they do out there

[01:03:33] just playing basketball.

[01:03:35] You first of all, you got to win something before you can be a villain.

[01:03:39] Well, she did.

[01:03:40] If we don't use Caitlin's career as the goat like no, no, no, no, no.

[01:03:44] No, you know what I mean?

[01:03:46] Like in this league, in this league,

[01:03:49] you don't get to be the rookie and the villain is like, who are you?

[01:03:52] You're a henchman.

[01:03:54] You would joke.

[01:03:56] She appointed a foot clan.

[01:03:58] You would you on the bus with Joker.

[01:04:00] And if you get close to the front seat that is crashing into the bank,

[01:04:03] then he'll put you on game and you'll learn something.

[01:04:06] In a couple of years, you could be the villain.

[01:04:07] But right now you're a henchman.

[01:04:09] And I think that's it.

[01:04:10] We just we're just giving him so much attention that it's overwhelming

[01:04:14] everyone because I believe people feel like Diana Tarazi

[01:04:19] deserves attention.

[01:04:20] Sabrina Inesco deserves attention.

[01:04:21] Beyonce deserves attention.

[01:04:23] Candice Parker, just retired, deserves attention.

[01:04:26] She does.

[01:04:27] She deserves this level of attention.

[01:04:28] And that's fine.

[01:04:29] But right now she's getting it.

[01:04:32] So now you you go ahead if it's a if it's a lightning rod

[01:04:37] in electricity, takes the path to least resistance.

[01:04:40] You go ahead and stick your rod up there.

[01:04:41] You get some of that.

[01:04:42] So you go for 35 against her.

[01:04:45] You go for 35 against the fever or you have a marketing night

[01:04:49] where you give all the you give everybody an audience search like OK,

[01:04:54] see does you know you you as a WNBA, like you lean into the fact that you have

[01:04:59] a proverbial cash cow.

[01:05:02] And you're in your wits, same thing with Texas A&M did with Johnny Manziel.

[01:05:07] He was hanging out with rock stars and everything else.

[01:05:09] He was he embraced all the money stuff.

[01:05:11] You know, he was getting paid.

[01:05:12] But like, you know what?

[01:05:13] Listen, we know he's drunk, smoke weed.

[01:05:14] But boy comes out here and balls on Saturday.

[01:05:16] We're going to ride it out.

[01:05:18] Good, bad or indifferent, like I said, good pub or bad pub is pub.

[01:05:21] You need pub because those same players were on, you know,

[01:05:26] Delta flights plan against 4000 people.

[01:05:30] I'm pretty sure the feeling because most of them,

[01:05:32] but they went to major colleges were playing against,

[01:05:34] you know, 10, 11, 12000 seat arenas.

[01:05:37] You know, they're usually having a lot of fans and then you get to the league.

[01:05:40] And it's like, I mean, that's the thing that people don't understand.

[01:05:43] The WNBA has always, to some degree, had a level of what we're seeing right now.

[01:05:50] We're just seeing at a higher level and we're seeing it because there's more

[01:05:53] spotlight, but there have been rookies getting knocked on.

[01:05:57] Kelsey Plum was telling a story about how Donna Charlie used to beat her up.

[01:06:01] So like this is something that has happened.

[01:06:03] There just wasn't the spotlight before.

[01:06:05] There just wasn't the eyes on the league that we have now.

[01:06:09] So it seems like it's crazy.

[01:06:12] And part of it could be because they're women as well.

[01:06:14] And people left and beat in the game to get 70 on Wimby.

[01:06:20] Yeah, they were up like 14 and they left them in the game so he can get 70.

[01:06:24] Not necessarily on Wimby, but he was like, yo, what's in that ass?

[01:06:30] And Ant Man got his, you know, he got his, he got his beating

[01:06:33] in the playoffs back in the day.

[01:06:35] You got it.

[01:06:35] Yeah.

[01:06:35] You got to take your lumps.

[01:06:36] Jordan, this is basketball.

[01:06:38] This is the culture of basketball.

[01:06:40] I think people are just glorifying, trying to extrapolate this to all

[01:06:45] these different realms of race.

[01:06:46] Yeah.

[01:06:47] Yeah.

[01:06:47] White girls play basketball and college basketball too.

[01:06:50] They win.

[01:06:50] We like Sabrina.

[01:06:51] We like Brianna.

[01:06:52] Like some of the best women at WNBA are white.

[01:06:55] It's not like she's the first white girl to come out of a school

[01:06:59] and, and playing WNBA.

[01:07:01] There's tons of them.

[01:07:02] It's a lot of them.

[01:07:02] Like the league is probably, the league is probably more balanced race wise.

[01:07:06] Definitely than the NBA.

[01:07:07] I think the NBA might be like 10% American born white players, probably

[01:07:12] another like 10, 15% of foreign players and the rest of black.

[01:07:16] I think it's like 70% black NBA.

[01:07:19] But you, and if you count foreign, like Canada and some guys from Africa,

[01:07:22] but like black white, it's like 70 30.

[01:07:26] So like the WNBA is probably closer in as far as percentage.

[01:07:31] I just think people are trying to get out of Moheil.

[01:07:33] WNBA is DI in reverse.

[01:07:37] Yo, if you can ball, you can ball.

[01:07:41] That's that's that's all you need.

[01:07:43] Yeah.

[01:07:44] But Joe, on that note, we going to end it there.

[01:07:48] You know, he is you're even killed.

[01:07:51] Don't bring feelings to a fat fight.

[01:07:53] Don't do it.

[01:07:54] This is a lie.

[01:07:56] You know, that's the ass when you get on TV.

[01:07:58] Yeah.

[01:07:59] Bust that ass without actually busting her ass.

[01:08:05] As long as y'all hit her in the head or not hit her knees.

[01:08:09] You don't say play ball, huh?

[01:08:11] Yeah.

[01:08:11] You gotta play ball.

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