MVP Consideration

[00:00:04] Yes, you are now listening to the sound of Sports Reports's Order. And tonight I don't know about the Rock Boys, but we go and tell you who the winners are. We're going to talk about some MVP because every week all y'all do a switch quarterback. Get busy.

[00:00:29] We go to recap this weekend at NFL. Who knew we're already on week 17. Tomorrow night is the last Thursday night, Game of the season. Browser Jets in a fell. Do better than show us some respect. Yeah, that should have been an October game. Exactly. But show.

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[00:01:24] Come in. Right. You know what I'm saying? We're coming down the home. We're actually the NFL season two weeks left before we get to the playoffs. There are some teams out here doing some questionable things. You know, I am old school.

[00:01:41] I'm the type of believer of if you've got a chance for the playoffs. You just play. So, I don't know why Russell Wilson is on the bench. But I wanted to talk about another quarter back. One Trevor Lawrence of Clemson fame.

[00:01:57] You know, Jacksonville Jaguar started off the season six and two. Went over to England. He was a beat Buffalo. You know, had that a fact playing back the back weeks in England. I love a vacation. Sorry, I got six and two. I guess that makes them.

[00:02:14] Two and five sets because they're eight and seven now. So, I was thinking about them because last week, me and Mr. logical had a conversation. I believe it was off air where I mentioned I would sit Trevor Lawrence if it was me.

[00:02:30] Because we thought he was going to miss some time after the ankle injury. Monday night against Cincinnati. I thought he was going to miss a few weeks off at Axe. That was bad. He couldn't put any weight on it. He was being helped through the tunnel.

[00:02:43] So, I thought he was going to miss some time then. He came back because he's never missed a game before. Like even going back to high school or not, never missed a game. So they played Cleveland. He looked like shit. They proceeded to get Molly Watt.

[00:02:58] I said, you know what? Maybe you sit them down again. Or, you know, like maybe you have that conversation sit them down. So no, they roll them out. He gets a concussion. You know, gets into the concussion protocol. And I said, hey, you know what?

[00:03:14] Maybe you should sit Trevor Lawrence out. You know, because now as I look at these standings, the cults, Texas and Jaguars are all eight and seven. The cults. The cults have the Raiders and the Texans who they've already beat. The Texans have the Titans and the cults.

[00:03:38] Jacksonville, luckily has Carolina and Tennessee. You know, so my thought was, sit Trevor Lawrence one of the last two games. If you take a note, you take a note, you're still in the same position. That you would have been in either way. Awesome.

[00:03:58] Now, if he doesn't play this week with the AC joint. Things could happen. They could lose the parallel. They could lose the Tennessee next week. The Ben and Owen. How he's feeling? How things are progressing? So what did you really gain by putting him out there?

[00:04:17] And you're injured to do what? You know, like your time for first off, ready. Luckily for Jacksonville, they have the time to break her over the cults because they beat him twice. You know, so it comes down to that Jacksonville will get in and I'll be,

[00:04:33] they show him highlights on what to say. This man threw another touch now. But at this point, what did you gain? Because now your time for first place and any loss might not be out of the playoffs. Because looking at the wildcard if you don't win the division,

[00:04:50] Buffalo sitting there with six losses. They have the Patriots this week. You know, they went in that game and if Miami loses to Baltimore this weekend, Buffalo has a chance to win the division in week 18. So Buffalo's playing. You know, the Steelers. They're 87 as well.

[00:05:14] Going up to Seattle this weekend, we'll see out of those. Coach for Mike Tomlin. Yeah, we'll see how that goes. You know, like I said, the cults got the Raiders who, yes, they just beat Kansas City. But let's not forget that was two weeks ago.

[00:05:28] They got shut up by Minnesota against Kansas City. They didn't score off in such a touchdown. So if I'm going to, I think we're going to have a completion for three quarter. After the first quarter, yeah, you went 9 for 21.

[00:05:40] Yeah, so from that standpoint, if I'm the cult, I feel okay. I've beat the Texans already. Grand it was at home. But the Texans are on a slide right now. CJ Strauss, Mr. Game, you know, came back and, you know, the Texas got lit up by the Browns.

[00:05:57] A Mari Cooper for the tune of 265 receiving yard. But what did you gain in Jacksonville? What did you gain? And if you don't make the playoffs, you have nobody to blame, but just I mean, that's legit because you were on it.

[00:06:16] Like I said, I think we had that conversation off, like in a low pre-meeting is probably tough to make that call. It's tough because I think there's so much new ones to it was like, you're the quarterback, Captain, face to team, no one over all draft pick.

[00:06:37] If you can go, you go. I think we had the same conversation last year, probably just, you know, before we had to show with Jalen Hertz. Jalen Hertz played a game.

[00:06:50] I think it was against Chicago to the big hit and then he sat the following week, the game against Dallas. They actually sat.

[00:06:59] And they thought they were going to be able to sit them for like a little longer thinking that they were going to be able to be Dallas. Have everything's like up, but then he end up coming back.

[00:07:08] I don't think it really affected them because they still ended up in a Super Bowl and they were, you know, all to the purpose is a whole to call the way from force in the field goal and getting a ball back would

[00:07:19] have a couple minutes left in the game. So I don't think it really held them back, but it was situation where they did sit them and the team ended up giving up 40 points in guard and men's shoe had a couple crazy turnovers.

[00:07:30] I think you, you have to fact that it is not really the readily they lost the game to the Saints too. That's ain't in it and that same stretch they lost the Dallas and so he had to play the final game against the

[00:07:45] Giants to get the whole field. But the Giants sat their stars. You know, so he's like this. Terry Brechau said that when you go to the big dance dance with who run you. That's right. So if you're Doug Peterson, you're not trying to run it with a backup.

[00:08:02] You're not trying to run. See their breath that out there. If Trevor Lawrence King go, he's going to go. What is this? I'm not with the results because what you put up if you put back that out there and he lose

[00:08:12] and then Lawrence comes out next week and he's like, lights out. If you would think of like, man, what if you would have played like this last week? Let's see, but this is the thing. So my thought going into that was, you know, you were not both full.

[00:08:27] He wasn't going to play that week against the Browns because of how bad the ankle injury looked. Yeah, it looked like he was going to be out to September. And you're talking about the reactant. Right. And you're talking about going out there getting harassed by Miles Garrett.

[00:08:44] You know, on a bomb ankle. And Cleveland, number one defensively holding teams to 160 yards passing per game. You know, I just thought that was the week of heel come back next week. Be ready to go XYZ because like I said, that's tough.

[00:09:02] But the AMC because you know, that's one of the tiebreakers. But they would be your record against commented opponents. AMC opponents. It's a tough tiebreaker. If they played the game against Minnesota, what if they did the game against like Arizona? I can see it.

[00:09:15] But it's like, this is the thing though they were up in the division and they had the topbreakers. So you know, so like, so I'm not, so I was even concerned in the moment. I think they lose a better anyway.

[00:09:27] I think that's probably what they were all on site there's like, I'm running and they still run. So when did they gain? I'm right handed. I rather lose the one right hooks than jabs. You know, but that's my point though, what did they gain?

[00:09:40] And now he didn't get something to question. You know, they're next game. I guess the Ravens. Yeah, then he comes out and they get killed by Tampa last week. So it's like, what did you gain? You know, like at this point, does Jacksonville even have confidence?

[00:09:57] Like, even if he does play, like, is it just simply we're playing Carolina or you don't even know if Jacksonville or if I'm Jacksonville or if I'm a thing of the same shotgun or something like that.

[00:10:08] I'm calling, I'm calling this guy named Kellon out in Los Angeles and say, hey, maybe you want to come in and be off in support later. Take it out of Douggy Peas hand just to get a new voice in it as it

[00:10:20] because they have to wait for much talent. Right. Offensively. I think Evan. Evan Engelman has a 98 reception. So like you have a tight end as, you know, about to get 100 seconds. Your offense is pretty solid. Yeah, you know, how do you really like it? It's running backwards.

[00:10:39] You know, stay off a fan door like this is a big credit. You know, like yeah, the boys they've jumped right there with the need where he's on. But you have a really talented offense. You might just need to take that responsibility away from coach.

[00:10:56] But I don't think they're, I don't think they're dead in the water this year. I just think that 27 point comeback last year set the team up for and and the fact that like realistically if they blitz patch in my home last

[00:11:09] year and the playoff game era, they wouldn't that game. Being sat in his own, I let him just pick him apart and like he's hobbled. I send in every fresh lineback or on the roster, every play like

[00:11:21] listen, give me the gunner off the point team, give me the what I don't care. Like I want you to run through the A gap or run through the B gap. Every play. I'm sending fresh bodies to that whole every play at Patrick because

[00:11:33] I'm like, I'm not going to sit back in zone and I'm hobbles but I think that was the the high that they got from the 27 point comeback and then it was like, yo, we had patch my homes on a rope.

[00:11:48] Like yeah, you could have knocked them out if you were to send some people through. But yeah, probably. I think it's just that I'm going to figure like, yo, if you can go go. Well, I mean, but they're in a point now, I feel that if they

[00:12:04] lose either one of these games, they're out. You know, it's how I feel right now because it's hard for me to envision the cults losing twice. You know, it's hard for me. Like the Texas lose a very abnormal game and we'll get into the details in the minutiae.

[00:12:22] Yeah, yeah, like the Texas. The Texas, the Texans in the cults, one of them have to beat the other one. You know, what a tie I guess but what but theoretically one of them is going to take a loss to the other.

[00:12:35] So you eliminate one of them next week anyway. You know, but it might depend which one. You know, if like I said, a buffalo wins out. They lock up a playoff spot regardless if they win the division or not.

[00:12:51] You know, and you're just down to that one spot because Cleveland's in the winter when it's kind of crazy year. I know, it looks crazy year. But Cleveland, Cleveland is in with a win tomorrow. They beat the jets tomorrow, they're in.

[00:13:05] And just all come was having a career year. And you know what's crazy? You know what's crazy? I don't know how you feel when you make a predictions tonight. I don't know how you feel about the game this weekend.

[00:13:17] But I think that Baltimore is going to beat Miami this weekend. But if Miami beats Baltimore, Cleveland can win the division next week. Even with the season that Baltimore has had. Cleveland can win the division next week. NFL script.

[00:13:34] It really goes like here wins the division with Joe Flacco who was doing the same thing. I was doing two weeks ago. All right. Didn't you grab watch people who are talking about it?

[00:13:47] And see if that's the crazy thing about it is if like if it works out, Cleveland can win the North Buffalo can win the East. You know, like is that crazy of a scenario right now that back at happen?

[00:14:01] You know, looking at the NFC, you know, for for the time being, you know, you got some teams fighting over there to get in, you know, Dallas is pretty much in. Detroit, clinched the division. Philly's in San Francisco's in. You know, LA's grinding. You got the Rams.

[00:14:18] You got the C Hawks. You know, the Falcons aren't eliminated yet. You know, the Saints aren't eliminated yet, but they pretty much are unless they beat Tampa this weekend. They beat Tampa this weekend. They were, you know, because right now both of us like are like,

[00:14:34] Wow, but really pulled the wall over us. Tampa looks good. Tampa looks good. They go out at loose to the Saints weekend, but if they go out to go lose to the Saints this weekend, we got a mess in the AF in the NFC south.

[00:14:49] You know, the Western World Startup when they all zero zero. Yeah, so Seattle and Pittsburgh is pretty much. For my intensive purposes, Pittsburgh and Seattle is an elimination game because Seattle's a huge amount of, but they have two losses to the Rams.

[00:15:06] So if the Rams keep winning, Seattle's out of luck. You know, trying to fake who else that I say, green Bay is still out there with a chance. You know, they got a beat Minnesota Monday night. Jordan love playing like a, like a, like a season vet.

[00:15:23] Yeah, you know, like so there it is, but you know, that brings us to what is a MVP because, you know, we've been hearing all the things in week to week. I feel like in the last month, we've had four different front runners.

[00:15:38] You know, like it was two or one week that it was brought per day. People forgot all about McAfrey because he's not quarterback. Did, you know, people started bringing up Josh Allen again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a little bit. Yeah, that was a little bit.

[00:15:52] Yeah, that was a little bit. Yeah, that was a little bit. Yeah, that was a little bit. Yeah, that was a little bit. So is Lamar Jackson's your MVP? I mean, to me, based off of the way that the award has been handed out.

[00:16:12] I was saying earned and years past. I want just dismiss the award. But the, the elements of the, the people went into MVP. A lot of times it was, if we could think back, I think Adrian Peterson might have been the last non quarterback that went in.

[00:16:32] And I was 2012. What he had the ACL tear and the game against the, the red skins as they were called back then. I remember he had his ACL surgery New Year's Eve because there we had a picture of him wearing the hat and he had the.

[00:16:54] You know, the all the all the, all the cumtrumat that comes along with being a, you know, a New Year's day. Right. And then any back in ran for. Eight yard shy of the NFL record.

[00:17:07] I don't know why his coast did not put it back in a game. I don't know how that message was communicated because in the post game interview. I believe it was Pam Oliver asked Adrian Peterson. Did you know you were eight yard short. You think short of what?

[00:17:27] She was like, you were eight yard short of the all time record. He was like, really? I'm like, how did you know one on the bike you staff say, put Adrian in and run wild cat four times to get him this record. You're a yard's a pop.

[00:17:46] Because they had to get I think they had to gain one because I believe they won either they split the playoff game. That it was like they were like 10 and 6. I think they either clist the playoff game or clenced division, you know, in that game.

[00:17:59] So the fact that he didn't know that that's how close he was. It's just indictment on the ridiculous of the. The bike is organization then, but. Most of the time every year there's been a quarterback that's been outstanding.

[00:18:21] That's set themself apart, which makes it easy to give them MVP paid man in 48 touchdowns time ready 50 touchdowns back to back for error riders 40 plus touchdowns lessons and single digit and assumptions. Patron my home 50 touchdowns.

[00:18:40] Patron my homes last year 40 plus touchdowns less than explosive, why receiver core and they were like the number one seed. They were going to get the error hit invitation. Oh, isn't it great? I think it's going to be great.

[00:18:55] So I get that part the Mar Jackson is starting to feel like this year more like. They're leaning on the word value. More and he's going to get. He's earning his position.

[00:19:10] A can to house Steve Nash on the still suns teens and the mid like that early 2000 to 2006 was a seven night range where he was just the architect.

[00:19:21] The architect of this fast pace get a shot up in seven to eight seconds or 17 16 17 seconds left in the shot clock. He was an architect on the court for Dan 20's offense. The Mars kind of getting that I'm not like, so I'm not dismissing his. His his season.

[00:19:44] He's starting to get the MVP cred off of that kind of impact. So wait, the way he impacts the game because of the threat of running that's cool.

[00:19:54] But when you run like I still need you to get the yards and the touchdowns that equate to other guys and we'll go through the stats when you know when we do our back and forth like our blind reveals a little bit of the case may be.

[00:20:06] But I personally wouldn't vote a MVP. I think he's just he's very valuable to the team with the best record in the league, but I don't think. Base off the how the award has been handed out even including a year he won it.

[00:20:23] The year he won it Russell Wilson was getting a lot of buzz, but when everything with us all settled the Mara had more passing touchdowns and every other quarterback in the league.

[00:20:34] And he was viewed as a running quarterback so that puts you up to echelon so I can understand, okay, yeah, that guy's MVP. But this year this little is not I don't really feel the same way. I got one problem with Lamar Jackson. This one.

[00:20:51] He has too many times try to impersonate Daniel Jones. The library six games under a hundred and ninety yards passing. You know, and in some of those games it wasn't as if he threw for say 180 in brand for 80.

[00:21:15] You know, like it would be he threw for one 81 in ran for 35 years. You know, and like we were talking off air. I was looking at Gill and Hertz. No way shape of form do I think Gill and Hertz is the MVP.

[00:21:32] But when I was looking at the numbers 20 touchdown passes 15 intersections Lamar Jackson. I'm sorry 15 rushing touchdown Lamar Jackson 19 touchdown passes. So I'm like, okay, you've got to give me something like if you're not if you're not. You're 35 touchdown past thing.

[00:21:53] You've got to have some rushing touchdowns to go along with that he's got five. You know, and that's where for me. MVP. I'm going to take the easy way out here. MVP changes year to year. Correct.

[00:22:09] And I think that's the problem in the first place is that all of these and people talk about this is the MVP candidate. This is the highest man candidate. Like all of this and all that.

[00:22:20] So with the season starts, your mind is already made up in a lot of people aren't. Well, this year this year this year has been a lot of up and down. I think the problem is they have been they have become they being a media and the league.

[00:22:36] They have been come accustomed to giving the war to a quarterback. So the last few weeks I've been talking on this show. What happened? Miller Moss touchdown pass number six. Luke a dotchage they would up by like eight. And now clearly one up six.

[00:23:02] Luke had just hit a crazy step back three 17 seconds left. Okay, four orders that guy to he's been you know, I saw him in some of the league and now that Garland's out. You know, he's getting some burn and he's making the most of it. Yeah.

[00:23:14] So like I said, I think they were just people were just apt to give it to a quarterback. My last few weeks I was trying to put Tyreak and Christian McAverry one two. How do you want to slice it? Because I thought Tyreak was going to play more.

[00:23:29] Right. Unfortunately he's been like injured and hobbled and not been able to be explosive. He's not going anywhere near Calvin Johnson's record, which is I mean, is with his like it's not something those records are very tough to break.

[00:23:44] But because they want to give it to a quarterback, I think people just kind of rationalize and justify the numbers. Like oh yeah, but the threat of him running makes them so valuable to the offense. Understand that I'm not saying that he's not valuable to the Baltimore Ravens.

[00:24:04] But if you look at his numbers and if I gave you another guy, I'm a guy who has the Mar of right now has 3337 19 touchdowns seven picks. Lean is division. I'm going to give you another guy. 393984 27 touchdowns 10 picks. One is division. Who will guys that? Okay, pretty.

[00:24:35] Is it Jerigoth? Okay. So Jerigoth has 600 more yards. They have about the same amount of wins. And if you think about the Detroit line's offense, he is the, he's the internet makes that go. The same way Lamar is right. Right. He's like in any way near.

[00:24:59] He's not in top 10 and MVP odds. So people would say to him. So look at two or two, well you got 242 14, but only 26 touchdowns and 10 picks. 4200 yards with that speed. You would talk about most of the hill, water, 18 Wilson. Hell, center, Wilson.

[00:25:25] Was like you have this this burials. Very real. In the slot, like you have speed everywhere. So with the 42 hundred yards, I need 32 33 touchdowns. The 10 picks is fine. It means happens. Tip passes happening right there. But I need 33 34 touchdowns. If you're going to see your MVP.

[00:25:49] Because I got a guy, I got a guy here. I got a guy 35, 135 98 26 touchdowns. 8 picks. Lean is the vision and we both had this team benching him firing a coach and they're going 413, 512. Right. Who was that? Mr. Mayfield. Exactly. Getting zero buzz.

[00:26:14] But his numbers keep it a hunt. Or on parvert with two or two or just I think two or three. I think two would get canopolded that 70 to 20 game against Denver. And then his numbers have probably been pedestrian and compared everybody else.

[00:26:30] Well, and I told you, I've been telling you for the last few weeks that, you know, the Monday night game where Tom got her against Tennessee. Miami didn't even score a touchdown until the full quarter of that game against Tennessee. You know, on the show field.

[00:26:48] And then this week against Dallas once water got her. Like there often it's just stopped and I felt just, you know, I'm not wrong, you know, to Worcester or anything like that. But I saw two or three touchdowns where he missed Tyree.

[00:27:07] You know, where Tyree was open or you just throw the ball anyway because he's Tyree. And he walks into the end zone. And so, so two a I feel is having a great season that I don't want to take anything away from him.

[00:27:22] But I don't necessarily view him as spectacular because of position that he plays. He got canopolded into this. This this this level and I think that's that's a lot for most of players. So if you went to the top like rock party is number one.

[00:27:42] And I'm watching Luca dance with the ball. Right out of time, he better shoot it. Yep. No good ball game over Cleveland lands. What 13 1 10. They just double Luca with eight second level. You know, basically I have court. He ended up throwing it away. So Brock.

[00:28:06] Pretty and I firmly believe this we talked about this. We talked about Nick writes biases and stuff like that in our pre-meaning. If patch of my homes had the numbers and the rankings that Brock pretty had with the cheese. Then the argument for.

[00:28:26] Patch mone B MVP would be the much of he would be over the top. He would not even not allow anyone a word in as was to say that patch mone wasn't the VP. Right.

[00:28:40] But Brock pretty is numbers like he's number one or two to include yards for 10 to be number one. Granted he had a bad game, you know, this week with the 400 sessions.

[00:28:49] It happens it's an ill time to have a bad game, but any conversation prior to Monday that didn't have him number one. Let's probably like okay, let me break it down.

[00:29:01] Let me find out why you fill his nine number one because I thought that he had a shot to be number one.

[00:29:06] But like I said, I don't feel like any of the quarterbacks really separated themselves at a point where it was definitive that this person was number one. But his numbers just were on par considering the history of the award. Chris McCaffrey.

[00:29:20] A lot of 49 players and other players are, you know, lobbying for him because they feel like he deserves more consideration because he's the one that he's the piece that if you stop him. Then you make perty carry the game on his shoulders. But you can't stop him.

[00:29:44] Yeah, so speak of McCaffrey. You know, I wrote him down here. He's averaging 5.4 yards for carry. He is the league rushing leader. All right, let me ask you a question. You know, they don't like to ask questions.

[00:29:58] Okay, please the league in Russian. How many yards more does he have? Then the second place person. I'm going to say someone arranged a 250 to 280. 338. Okay. 338 yards ahead of the next rushing. He's third in rushing touchdowns.

[00:30:22] You know, if you want to not to a, you have to acknowledge that most of it leads the league in rushing touchdowns. 18 of them. You know, and numbers. And you know, so you know who has 13 Russian touchdowns? Josh Allen, Josh Allen. The total touchdown leader if I remember.

[00:30:42] 40 touchdowns correct. Yes. So that's where like for me when I look at that type of domination considering what you just said. Like you have to stop McCaffrey because the plan is to make a pretty beat you. But you can't even get there. Like I don't even remember.

[00:31:03] McCaffrey having a bad game. You know, I mean, I mean, he's leading the league. You know, by 338 yards. I mean, he probably hasn't had a bad game. But you know, but I wanted to go with different things.

[00:31:13] He's only had one game this year where he did score a touchdown. He was on the streak of like 14 15 games in a row. Yeah, I think he broke it actually, you know, he broke it early in the season.

[00:31:22] But yeah, so I wanted to switch the narrative if you will up a little bit because people piss me off a lot. You know, because obviously we were talking about quarterbacks and generally they are the leaders when it comes to MVP votes in conversation.

[00:31:42] But I hate when I hear stats that the defense doesn't get acknowledgement for so let's look at Dallas for a second. You know, that press got was the MVP leader up until about a week ago or so or this week or whatever.

[00:31:59] And then the stat was Dallas had won their home games this season by 24.4 average of 24.4 points. And I'm like, so the defense say, you have nothing to do with that.

[00:32:14] You know what I mean? So so when I look at say, blank and broke the record for a pick sixes in the season. You know, when I look at mic up Parsons, you know, 13 sax on the season.

[00:32:31] Like, because what I think about this, you know, like Michael straight hand broke the sack record, you know, Brett far took the die form. Absolutely.

[00:32:45] But he wasn't in the MVP conversation, you know, and so when I look at this, when I look at some of my like miles Gary who is on the number one right defense.

[00:32:55] Oh, give it given up only 160 yards passing per game correct Cleveland is all their fourth starting quarterback this season. So why is the night. Yeah, like I'm not saying that he got a win, not saying that he got a win.

[00:33:16] Simply because simply because they have an award that should be viewed as prestigious as MVP in the defense of player to your work. They have a lot of player to here too.

[00:33:27] So you got MVP offensive player to your defense player to your right winning that award should be viewed as you earn one of the top three awards MVP being one offense defense of player to your to be.

[00:33:45] So because you have an award that only your side of the ball can win, I don't think they give a lot of guys consider it MVP. And I got to think Lawrence Taylor won MVP back in the day, but he wanted when quarterback's weren't throwing.

[00:34:04] They weren't throwing 40 times a game. They didn't have 67 to 70% completion rate, they didn't have an end safe ratio 38 to eight. So you know, just these, these, these, these, these, God, he numbers that it was run running a ball and defense.

[00:34:25] Now we're just narrative that it's a passing lead because it's not a passing lead is a throwing lead everybody throws the ball right everyone's not passing the ball it's a difference. It's a lot of people going out there with like doesn't rid it the one over 40 passes.

[00:34:43] Jake Brown at the one 40 passes Nick Mullins, the one 40 passes is like, yeah, this is not a like you're throwing you ball. You know, you know, you know, I'm glad you brought him like you know who Nick Mullins is.

[00:34:56] He's me or Matt, you know, I guess Detroit this weekend, 111 yards. Who touchdowns four interceptions like he's me or man, you know, but I will see to make my point about defense.

[00:35:14] I will see your Baker made field and I will raise you an answer on when field junior. Okay. So here's a stat, here's some stats for you. So a couple years ago, I thought Derek can we should have won the MVP.

[00:35:33] I thought girl, he should have won the MVP.

[00:35:35] So I asked people what does it take for running back to win an MVP and they said, oh, you got to get 2000 yards where you got to break the record and like all this stuff so they have all these pre-breqlances that quarterback's on head.

[00:35:51] So, Antswall would feel this season. First defensive back since 1999 the year I graduated high school. Shout out plus 99. The first defensive back with five sets and five force fumbles in a single season.

[00:36:09] Also, one of only four players since the year since 2000 with five tax five takeaways and five force fumbles on the season. So he's got 110 tackles from the safety position defended 12 passes this season hit the quarterback seven times.

[00:36:27] The five tax five five tackles for loss five force fumbles and out of those five force fumbles he recovered four of them. And he has three intersections. So yes, Baker may feel in Mike Evans have found the chemistry they found the H20.

[00:36:46] You know, but Antswall would feel got a little bit of argon on the on it.

[00:36:52] You know, so that's where like for me not saying he's just going to have to be talking about that's the thing someone has to be talking about Baker may feel in order for you to hear that stat nationally. Right.

[00:37:08] You'll hear the miles of Garrett stat because all the turmoil surrounding the quarterback play and cleat. So when a quarterback play you you've started you started DTR started PJ Walker.

[00:37:23] You started to shout was him the shout wasn't in of itself is just drama when you hit a name and then you bring in Joe Flacco who's essentially.

[00:37:32] He's an old hey legend yeah keep my like he's he's like an old mercenary legend kind of play we remember Flacco play with Matt Ryan the whole. Baltimore Revens he had the greatest playoff run in history of playoffs in the 2013 playoffs. I was like 11 touchdowns zero picks.

[00:37:51] You want to know something else funny real quick, but you have that whole conversation go there's no competition right Baker may feel. You want to you want to know something else funny real quick. So so Flacco has played the last four games for Cleveland.

[00:38:05] And that stretch he has more yards and touchdowns than anybody passing you know in those four in that four game stretch nobody has more yards or touchdowns. You know, of course he's thrown seven in receptions as well.

[00:38:19] But it just goes to show you that throwing may not be the beyond and black O like. He hasn't played long enough this season to get MVP consideration because we all thought once he came in the Browns were done anyway.

[00:38:40] And here they are like I said when a chance to win the division next week, but another difference of player. I'm not going to make a big case for him, but I'm just going to say what I'm going to say.

[00:38:51] So you know we talked about the Steelers and how they were something like one in ten in games that TJ White did play. And as a business, there are offenses right now. He leads the league in sex. He scored some touchdowns this year as well.

[00:39:12] So I feel that if the Steelers somehow make the playoffs, his name should be discussed as well because they would only be. In that conversation because of the defense stepping up even though we know the numbers show you that the Steelers don't have a good defense.

[00:39:38] So but he leads the league in sex and he would be the anchor of a team that came out of the dirt to make the playoffs. I think the playoffs would make some Rudolph and they're a quarterback. I'm just saying.

[00:39:55] I mean, like I said, I think I think the word valuable is where we get hung up and we talked about this before. The playoffs. Now they have East and Conference and Western Conference, most valuable player. Yeah.

[00:40:14] And we will talk about this so we're doing a face Steph Curry not winning it the year. It would dollar what is like, oh he was more valuable because he guarded the bra on even on the bronze tattoo. Something crazy like 38. Yeah. So I'm like 38% though. 38% shooting.

[00:40:33] You know the bra on don't do that. You know, he's just but he just shot a lot because everybody else is being clean. It was like it wasn't dollar. It wasn't able to do a clamping the other four guys and that's why they're running heavy studio.

[00:40:46] A lot of it was like the bronze was like I got to do it. Everybody else did had like Deliver D over literally was in I think he went to the hospital. Yeah, he took it out of the IB. Yeah, he was a high school.

[00:40:58] Yeah, like they were just under the gun the whole time. But people use the word value. What is like we all know it means most outstanding player like Anthony Davis wanted a pretty short brought this on show.

[00:41:09] I think he had like two points like 14 rebounds in our championship game. We can talk you one. But he want MOP. The MVP is MOP. The high school is MOP. It's just we use the word valuable and then award it to the guy who's the most outstanding. Right.

[00:41:27] That's been the standard for the award. The word has been valuable. The recipient has been outstanding. So because we can go because I've heard this because you know like I'm a stickler for like qualify and quantify your argument.

[00:41:43] I get an argument with a you know, you can potray in my group chat because of his inability to quantify anything he says he just says stuff and like what are these words mean?

[00:41:55] Like how do you get to this point or they're like, oh, if you take paintman off the coast, what do you look like? Well, if you take a if you take the two guards off of San Francisco, what is Christian McCaffrey's numbers. Look like you need everybody involved.

[00:42:09] You should spend Kalashana for two games because he whistle that the referee or whatever. He bumped the referee. That that's value you get a guy trade a guy gets hurt like there's every player matters. So it's not necessarily just your presence, equating to value is your presence equating

[00:42:29] to outstanding stats. Are you putting up outstanding numbers? That is. We can answer and all we want the award is most outstanding player is not most valuable player. So to the same value to the San Francisco 49ers,

[00:42:46] how valuable is a 335 pound guy that can go emotion from the full back position and lead block. Like that's that value can be it can be it, you know, can be quantified,

[00:42:59] but you'll give it to Christian McCaffrey or Brock Perty because they're going to get to touchdowns out of it. So two questions. One, who is your prediction to win MVP? Two, who is Mr. Logicals MVP if you had the one and only vote who's your MVP?

[00:43:20] The one and only vote. So as a fact, Shane so does my opinion shout out to you. If I had to, I would have to grow as a man and realize even sometimes my own takes need to be rehashed. I'm giving a lot of consideration to Josh Allen.

[00:43:50] I don't want to say Brock Perty because I still don't think he's the cog in that engine. But Josh Allen, every since I took him off because I felt like he gave away two or three games. Do you want to be the Buffalo Bill's next opponent?

[00:44:10] And I know like shout out to Nick Wright if you watched the podcast, I'd be dope on the tag you in this. I know if feels as if we're getting caught up and prison is a moment. But the moment is now.

[00:44:25] We're December 27th, shout out to my cousin, Bob and the club 42nd birthday young cousin. So I'll bring 81. So today is the birthday. We're almost at the end of the year. It's about to be put up a shout out here in the next couple of weeks.

[00:44:43] In the past couple of weeks for Buffalo, they've already been in that and we talked about it before. Certain teams have been in playoff mode since X date. They talked about that a lot of times with people make their predictions for the first round.

[00:44:56] This team has been on playoff mode since the 15th to December. You know, stuff like that like we've heard it before. I think Buffalo being in playoff mode for the last couple of weeks dominating Dallas.

[00:45:09] Yes, they play around with the chargers and it probably should have done better but you know that's part of the lore of Buffalo. So it was like, I think I would give him a nod.

[00:45:22] I was talking to my son. I picked him up Tuesday morning from his friend's house. We talked about the Baltimore San Francisco game. I was like, I did not realize that this Baltimore defense mimics that 2000s both. I'm not saying like, stat wise they just looked.

[00:45:45] They looked like they were playing 13 men. Like where are they going to? I've wanted up in our preview. Like I picked San Francisco to win but I was saying that like Baltimore is one of those teams,

[00:45:57] one of the few teams in the league that can match up with them physically. It just, it's they look like they over matched them and it, it felt as if I know you get some tip passes you give picks but sometimes when that blitz doesn't get home,

[00:46:16] most teams still get beat. Baltimore didn't get beat and it just felt like guys were just coming through clean off the edge. Hamilton getting picks the hom free getting picks you had cleaned.

[00:46:30] I mean just had, there was so many guys that were just making prime time statement plays. Even after the Marga at the safety that I told you about when he tripped over the referee,

[00:46:44] I get the intentional ground and it was like, oh this is going to be situation with Baltimore. I was going to lose about two points and that was going to be a whole story. And they're like nah man we're going to win by 200 points.

[00:46:55] And they felt like a wave, like a wave of just a flock of ravens, Edgar Allen post out just all the woman of 49 is it? And it just looked, you know you can make this kind of high-privileged, high-privileged, high-privileged, high-privileged, high-privileged.

[00:47:15] What if the case would be like they're the best team in the league, you know people make that statement every single week? And don't just as we too. They looked unbeatable because like I don't think Lamar's MVP because I'm still based on the numbers.

[00:47:30] But with that defense and then it seems like the calm that he brings to the offense. Like the calm that I think that gives Harba. I think Harba is just like you know I'm not here, Shilling.

[00:47:45] I got the best defensive league, one of the best NFL cultures because I don't think there's ever been a time and Baltimore since they got some statement from Cleveland to Baltimore. I don't think there's been a time to wear. You don't know what the culture in Baltimore is.

[00:48:04] You go look at a lot of teams and it's like the Saints you have a role like strong defensive culture in a kind of physical. Remember when the Rams had the greatest show on turf, New England had this culture of no mistakes.

[00:48:20] Nobody gets in, no information gets out, we don't make mistakes, we just went. And you see, thinks in that arm when they had to bring in players when Tom Brady left that and bring in Camdoo.

[00:48:31] You know, you just have teams like to try to try to try and just think they could get over the hump. They had to tell them they couldn't get over the hump. They bring in a coach that was ready to bite kneecaps not getting over the hump.

[00:48:43] Baltimore has always been one of these teams as like, you know what this is? What we do. We put on helmets, shoulder pads, we put on brass knuckles. I hear you. And we punch people in a helmet, it's like the Warriors. Yeah. Warriors. Like that type.

[00:49:04] So they look dangerous is just that can an a playoff run if they play Buffalo can stop. Can Stefan digs get open on those, does zero blitz coverage?

[00:49:17] Can Gabe be this slip by Kyle Hammondson when he's supposed to be somewhere because he's not really that good of a cover safety. He's more of a like a bruiser. Can Buffalo take advantage of that in the playoffs?

[00:49:31] I don't know if I'd team like Kansas City canes, I think they're so both Baltimore so physical. What then could take away? They could take away Tony Scott Moore, Recoharman, Rashid, you know, Rice.

[00:49:46] The other tight ends they have wanted is why receivers and then maybe you get six or seven conclusions for 63 yards of Travis Kelsey. You lose that game 24, 10 and it's never close. So that's the difference that even with that I think it's a team thing with Baltimore.

[00:50:09] I think with Josh Allen's one, like I said, as fast as any sort of is my opinion it looks like he would get my vote for MVP. Just if they finished 11 to 6. For me, I think Lamar Jackson wins it.

[00:50:26] The good news for Brock Perty is that their final two games are against Washington in the Rams so he has a chance to bounce back if you will. Obviously to a mid-Support conversation with the Baltimore in when this weekend.

[00:50:44] The two is the, trying to think of the word. Is he in a position aware he has enough juice to can't afford himself up to the top by selling his butt to more? Well, I mean, he already leads to leading passing yards.

[00:51:04] So about an end of the season he'll be close to 47, 4,400 yards so you know he'll have a statistical argument. You know if they beat Baltimore, they have a chance to get the number one seed. But that would make it he would have to jump.

[00:51:20] So he would have to jump. Well, you got to remember, you got to remember he closes at Baltimore and against Buffalo. So he's got two opportunities against guys that you're putting ahead of him at MVP race.

[00:51:35] But that's the thing, that's the tough part is like he has two tough games that probably won't look pretty. Right. Whereas I don't know what Buffalo's guys are, so we have done a predictor. I got Patriots and then they got my MVP.

[00:51:50] So Josh Allen might, he might rock with me. Like through 230 yards passing two titties and maybe like 60, 70 yards rushing in the TD that put him at 43 total test towns 14, Russian 20 29. But are as a chance to get ugly too because they close with Pittsburgh.

[00:52:10] Yeah, but Lamar's numbers are Lamar's numbers are based off of you are the, you're the star. You're the quarterback star of the best team in the league. Right.

[00:52:23] Whereas as an 11 and six Josh Allen would have his team on a, would it be a five game one streak to end this season of four. I think many five. There were six or six. Yeah, so five.

[00:52:42] So he'd be on a five game one streak with the wins over Miami Dallas. The dominance too. Yeah. And then he has the numbers to back it up. Considering like I said, I don't think anybody's really. Giving themselves any gaps.

[00:53:04] If Christian McAarford was close to 2000 yards, say he was at a 1600, 1700 yards right now. Then I think you have an edge, but the fact that we've seen a running back run for 1395 before.

[00:53:18] It, it doesn't feel the same as a quarterback that's throwing for 29 at 32 touchdowns in Russian for 13 to 15 touchdowns. And that's why I'm too far because I live both for miles Garrett. For MVP. Yeah. I wish there was an avenue for that.

[00:53:39] But like I said, just because he has the fence, just if he doesn't get defensive player the year. Like that, because you got to do that broke the pick six record. You don't even need it. But he hasn't done that in a while. He hasn't gotten that pitch.

[00:53:53] That's all to you. Wow. You know how it is with the game. You know, I gave you this. Well, I mean luckily for him, you know, wouldn't feel to safety. So like he put any place to tap us. So he probably won't get the attention that he deserves.

[00:54:04] So I guess Mike a person would be a lot of the buzz and TJ Wattley's the league in sex. So you know, there's TJ Watt.

[00:54:11] But no, you got Mike a part of this offensively or so and that I don't even think the voters are watching their games to see what his real impact is because the conversation at the every stealer's game is.

[00:54:25] It's just this is normally a meme or some kind of snapshot in the group and it'll be a quarterback that. That started four games this year. And he's thrown for two touchdowns and three of those games.

[00:54:40] And then it's Kenny pick it Mike, you know, Mr. Biscuit and they're both like one or zero. Like so no matter how Pittsburgh doesn't their games the conversation is around even the game where can he pick it through.

[00:54:55] The touch to the game when it touched down to pick it. Yeah. And they put the camera on Matt Kennedy in the booth and he wasn't cheering and the story came out. I don't know how true it is.

[00:55:06] The story came out that Matt Kennedy wasn't cheering because Kenny pick it change the play. I don't know if that's factual, but that's the conversation post Pittsburgh games not look with TJ Watt did to. He can't even play more.

[00:55:24] I mean, he fired him. He needs to change them gloves. Yeah, he did a change to gloves, but hey, so back to this all to more San Francisco thing.

[00:55:33] So now we got to do the thing right like now that we have a podcast, we got to do the thing. Let's hear it. Let's hear it. What's your concern level for the 49ers? My 100 levels for the 40 that is this they have a Cal San Hazard hey coach.

[00:55:49] No, I'm not I'm Josh and I'm Josh and I don't have a concern level. I just think that they ran up against. They ran up against. They ran up against the team that just literally might be a couple of nights better than their the rest of the competition.

[00:56:11] We talked about it all years far as. E fences. I believe personally the defenses the drafting the scouting the coaching is putting defenses in the better position to defend it. Somebody's high powered off fences.

[00:56:27] I think they're starting to get a lot of guys who probably would have been safe these. You know, put on 15 more pounds of play linebacker. It's a need you to bump these tight ends. So instead of being a 215 and 2120 pound safety.

[00:56:39] Get down to come up to 235 and play the hybrid live record rule. So I think you keep your speed. You can catch these guys on space. You can cover running backs out of the back. You can cover these tight ends.

[00:56:54] I just think Baltimore the way they swarmed San Francisco was like. We haven't seen any other team play like that all year. I'm not a loss of Cincinnati, but we don't know what beliefs Cincinnati is anywhere on par with. With Baltimore defensively.

[00:57:14] But what Baltimore did to San Francisco was like. They literally came out of from every angle. The 49ers are one in three against that division. Maybe maybe they they greatest show on turf philosophy. As running as course, I just thought about that.

[00:57:36] I didn't even have that in my notes like it just came to me real quick. They lost it around the last second field goal that they missed. They lost the Cincinnati before the buy week when they had lost the reano row. Lost it arranged.

[00:57:49] And then yeah, and then they beat Pittsburgh opening game. Yeah, they beat that's and we thought they were going to be because like I said, I picked I probably picked Pittsburgh. I think I did too. And it was like my looks.

[00:58:03] We had no yeah, we had no idea. Pretty was really gone bounce back from the UCL because he yeah, just gotten a surgery felt like he was coming back to early with think.

[00:58:10] I think we better reference our G3 with ACL trying to come back to early because you don't all these just. But yeah, I just think honestly, it's that sense just was once you get behind the chains like they talk about like,

[00:58:23] you know, first and 10, you run a play now with second to 14. The defense plays different. You get six yards on first down the second or four defense plays. But you lose for your hours in the second or 14. You know what's in the scare here though?

[00:58:38] I think what's scary for me. And I don't have a concern level for the 49ers. I mean, I didn't have them winning a Super Bowl anyway. But I'm not concerned about them,

[00:58:51] but what I will say is going back to what you said earlier about how teams have to try to stop McAfrey to get perdi to beat him. McAfrey went 14 rushes for 103 yards. So it's like Baltimore didn't stop him like you know to be like perdi to play that.

[00:59:10] I think what it was those that the numbers look. The numbers always on tell the tell the tale. Right, right. That's why I only got 14 touches because it was back and forth early on. After the Lamar saved the I think the first half.

[00:59:29] I don't want to quote the score. I want to be wrong. But it was within it was reasonable. The blind. The blind. At some point you know, Yeah, the blind. Yeah, like the barrage came.

[00:59:44] And the late in the second half where McAfrey got a lot of his touches early early. Early, you're right. Right. So he got his yards. He got his numbers. And they took him out of the game by making several Cisco play and play catch up.

[00:59:59] And then Sam Donald came in the game because Brock pretty went to the tent for people to pick. Yeah, he went to the tent before a pick. Sam Donald came in. I think he let it touchdown drive. And obviously because it's on TV.

[01:00:14] You got to be like, hey, you never know. We're good. If you had Brian. We can't write that. He came back out. Sam Donald. He's so good. That crazy wind up. They had a USC. He threw a pixel. Baltimore got five picks. Thank you. Mm hmm.

[01:00:30] So that's because they just were just around the ball. And to come in, it's in head to up. It's just like the situation where you just as the defense say, all right, listen, we don't throw these haymakers all day. You can block some of them.

[01:00:47] You won't get you will get four to your rushes for 102 yards. You might get a lead on us. You might get a nice drive. But when you think we're comfortable not blitzing, we're just going to come downhill. We're going to get the tip pass.

[01:01:02] We're going to squeeze, you know, just cover through it. Cover through it with a clean. You're going to throw right into it. And that's what ended up happening. I don't think I'm like, break, I don't think he played for that thing. He just played.

[01:01:14] I think they just kind of figure out. This is how we're going to tackle. How do you feel if you're Dallas and you're holding my amy to five field goals? And you still lose. You feel I, you feel like the only reason you don't is because you're Dallas.

[01:01:37] Because there's another road game. Like that if you're any other team, if you're any other team, you'll look at it like you know what? I'm changed here, change here like I said, I use my my son sports,

[01:01:54] you know, but through my older so many play high school sports. And now my youngest son, he plays. We talked about the game with a rest call like 55, and a 32 minute game. And he said in the locker room, they were pissed because they lost.

[01:02:10] But then they knew we get to play these guys again. And if you don't have the same referees, we know that that guy's not going to shoot 26 free throws. Like one kid literally got 26 free throws. He's like, we know we'll be able to defend these other four guys

[01:02:28] and let this other guy at the Kiki do his thing. But he was getting bailed out a lot of foul calls. I think Dallas probably feels the same way. It was like, you know, a penalty here, a holding here, a fall start here, you know,

[01:02:41] you, we go from 34 to 39 or we get off the field on third down, but they call a simple hold. Like if you take out that, you take this out, you take this out. Which is simple things to do is not like, oh, we need another guard.

[01:02:59] We need another offensive scheme. We just need to eliminate this mistake, this mistake, this mistake, this mistake, this punt that should have gone on here and we would have down the misguided saying, They lost the game on the first possession. You know, seven minute drop 15 plays,

[01:03:14] fumble that two. They lost the game right there. You know, but, but Saturday night, you know, said, I want your thoughts. Don't give me your pick. I just want your thoughts Saturday night. Dallas goes to no play a team that won their first division since 1993.

[01:03:35] That's going to be a hell of a game. That was a good year. I think around the weight girl was still high from L.O. Kooji. You know, say, yeah, well, then, you know, but yeah, they go to the show. You know, you know, and lower me hold,

[01:03:51] lower me hold. Detroit still has a chance for home feeling in that. It's a lot of stuff has to kind of pan out, but it could. I mean, if you hit, it didn't hit the par late. They're 11 and four. Philly's 11 and four. Dallas 10 and five.

[01:04:07] It's closer than it is closer than you realize. You know, I mean, I don't think it's going to happen just because, you know, Philly plays the Cardinals this week. You know, so now it's like, Cardinals let me come out there. And then of course, you know,

[01:04:26] they get their rematch with the GMIN next week. So theoretically, theoretically, they should win. Whereas Detroit has this game against Dallas, and then they have green bay, you know, green bay fighting for their playoff lives. You know, so I like, yeah, I like Detroit's year.

[01:04:48] We talked about it with the MVP odds. I don't know why Jericho didn't Jericho, they can get more love. I think there's a, I think there's a narrative on Jericho. You know, it was the role. No, but you know, but the Rams traded him for staffer.

[01:05:04] They won the Super Bowl. We got training because he was trying to not shine. No, but the team, but the top was. They had to get staffed or some kind of upgrade, because golf could win you a Super Bowl. And Jerk, but keep it a bean. Matthew,

[01:05:25] staffer couldn't win you a playoff game. So I don't believe that. You know, he threw that damn pick that. For Jericho. Of course, the target was good. Yeah, I think it was more of Jericho, trying to slide in my, my whiz. I got you rid of me.

[01:05:45] At least that's the story that we got on a, I don't know. Or doesn't mean he's pretty treacher. So, like it's, I don't know exact. We don't, we don't know if we know what the truth is, but if you're telling me that I had a guy that's one,

[01:06:04] we have a couple playoff games. He want to do, but against patching my home, it's 54 to 51 in the Coliseum. We unite in the most popular team. You're city, you get you to a Super Bowl and Sean McVage. I was a out-bella check, Bella check,

[01:06:21] instead of just sticking to his game and doing his thing. Well, Jericho, like I said Jericho, I should get more consideration. I think even staffers should be getting some consideration. You can't consider everybody, obviously you can have ballad of 50 names on it. Well, you know,

[01:06:38] I'm looking forward to, hopefully we can get that playoff matchup. Yeah, it'll be in the trait. Yeah. It'll be in the trait. Yeah. It'll be a swan song for, he'll throw it away. You know, you don't need to play one of the trade playoff games. You know,

[01:06:57] but you know back to Dallas for a second, you know, Steady Lamb, you know, first quarter. Four catches 93 yards and a touchdown. Didn't get another target into the fourth quarter. I don't know how that happens. I don't know how that happens, even.

[01:07:16] You know, he added two catches for 25 yards. You know, so it looks good. You know, six catches, 118 yards. You know, but yeah, Miami definitely either took him out of the game or that just didn't take chances. Like I felt like Dallas played. I don't want to say scared.

[01:07:35] That's too strong of a word. Yeah, they were, they were tentative because I think they just wanted to keep the ball out of Miami's hands. But they couldn't run the ball. They couldn't establish the run. Totally followed with the lead 12 carries for 38 yards.

[01:07:51] They could establish the run and it turned into DAC go B MVP. And I remember he went down the field. They scored and the announcers like right after the touchdown. They were like, that just had to be people. And I was just like,

[01:08:08] it's not all I'm obsessed with it. Yeah, I'm like, it's not the highest in that. That's what they said. To the point where there's no discernible real analysis is just people come on TV to project the narrative. If you look, if you,

[01:08:25] because I want to bring this up recently, if you look at all the teams that have quality quarterbacks that are flat out struggle in the score of points, what did they not have? They don't have a running back that you're afraid of.

[01:08:44] Think back to the Minnesota Vikings because the Minnesota Vikings when they draft the Adrian Peterson and the top of the league is like six or fourth, but in the top 10 of that draft. They had Christian ponder to various Jackson as their quarterbacks.

[01:09:03] I think they slipped in a Brett far towards the latter. I think Joe Webb started to play off game. That was after Farve got in like hurt because it's not like that. I think that's where I think when Farve wrote the streak,

[01:09:18] web was planted and then I think Farve had that numbness in his arm. I think that's where he could play. But Adrian Peterson was lying in the beginning of eight man boxes. That game began San Diego where he broke and now still holds the NFL

[01:09:34] Russia record two and a night six yards in the game. Christian, I think Christian ponder was a quarterback. Not a passing threat at all. So if you have a guy like if you keep Zik and keep that's who had it monster

[01:09:47] and you or if you're if you're if you're in New York and someone wants to say a quand they want to give you first a second round pace form, maybe a third. And your Tennessee and is like listen, can we run a double headed monster say

[01:10:03] quand a dare can read? Can we afford to pay him both? Do we pay 10 a hell eight million less? We get this guy who forgot the books because that's that's different. Look at Brockford, he Brockford is production is predicated on how well we're

[01:10:19] Kathy plays to make those play actions and all that other stuff work because the mosters are good running back in eight-chand and Wilson are just speed on speed on speed. But yeah, you feel like a team like Kansas City, probably a generational talent

[01:10:38] a quarterback can run a ball. No one believes in a run. Look exactly the LATN, ATN is a passing pass catching back. All right. There's no credit him running up the gap.

[01:10:52] So I think a lot of these teams that they ran with if they ran with conviction with real conviction from the run a back position, they'd be fine. Dallas would be leading the vision if they ran a ball.

[01:11:04] If you brought it up, if play off start today and it was Cleveland, Kansas City, you take in Cleveland. Yeah. Okay. I would say I would say Cleveland because Cleveland has at least two real receiving threats. That can just like between Cooper and in Joker.

[01:11:33] And I also cream on as a running threat. I think that's Kansas City, what kind of throw was that Oklahoma State? That was a terrible thing. I got right after that beautiful catch two plays ago. Yeah.

[01:11:52] I don't think if I'm if I'm a Cleveland defensive staff and I'm game planning against Kansas City. I don't I'm not losing sleep. Oh, they blitzed. You know who their four day in a row is? They're the fifth quarter. Probably Greg Williams.

[01:12:10] Jim Swartz. Oh, Swartz. Okay. Yeah. So Greg, we're in the game. Yeah. You know what I mean? So I think that we got to talk about that though. Like we talked about the Raiders didn't complete a pass after the first quarter.

[01:12:24] You know, they didn't score an offensive touchdown and they went into Arrowhead in one. Like so I don't know if that I don't know if that did a service that will have Antonio Pierce as the Raiders coach next season.

[01:12:44] Like I feel like the Raiders are going to want a bigger name, but I feel that I bought this up a few weeks ago. Mr. Logical disagreed with me. You know, I thought the Raiders were playing their hearts out for Antonio Pierce.

[01:12:57] You know, so we'll see you know, they played a cult and then they get Denver with a little jerk, Stittham action. So you know, at worst, the Raiders finish eight and nine.

[01:13:11] You know, possibly you know, seven and ten. They're not out of the playoff race just yet. So like I don't know, man. Like I can't explain how the city lost that game.

[01:13:26] I can there's no reason for anyone on the defense to staff or the other team to adjust. Right. I can go. I can if I keep four eyes on Kelsey and I keep one safety over top for everybody else.

[01:13:54] That's it. Like nobody else gets open. I watch that game. I don't believe Cadirious Tony was on the field much. I don't recall many formation with Sky More in it. I recall like they were running a lake bill. The guy used to be a quarterback at Oklahoma. Oklahoma.

[01:14:17] The guy wants to be able to focus all Kelsey and nobody else can beat him. But the thing about focus on Kelsey is that Kelsey works in the trenches and Kelsey and the reason I Kelsey can get you.

[01:14:30] That Yard's he was getting you previous years was that somebody else was open. At least on these other so my home was those 40 passes a game. We'll say 22 to 24 those passes there's a couple of guys open and he can take his pick.

[01:14:51] So when he hits that backdrop or he scrambles a little bit, you get a guy at uncovers, Tyreak uncovers, and he's a huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge. He was a he would uncover even in the S to some extent

[01:15:05] but like get you know get deep. But now because you don't have a threat underneath, you don't have to bring that safety down. You can sleep over the top. So you can't run that deep post because McColle harming out on what he does for football.

[01:15:22] Like but he doesn't see it to be in the passing attack. Like I said, I didn't see Scott more. I don't remember if there is Tony. They had to play with Pacheco handing a ball off to my homes at Guy Fumble.

[01:15:37] If there is Tony, I believe he was a high school quarterback. That's a perfect play for him because he just must as a threat to run. Matter of fact, I would have probably called that play for him to catch it and fake it.

[01:15:50] They just don't trust them, I guess. So it was like either they don't trust you in like, like, an you gain plan is like you don't have that many options. You know if you're going to do all this hurtful jerky stuff with the motion and direct snaps,

[01:16:07] get it to these guys because Chris, we saw said on first things first, all last week he was like your plan of Raiders this week. I was like, I would have all the guys in the game that we've all been talking about

[01:16:20] are getting a lack of trust or lack of respect and just feed them the ball. He's like your planning. This is rookie quarterback out of Las Vegas. In a room head coach, your plan at home, just get these guys on the floor and inspire confidence.

[01:16:41] But they didn't do that. They tried some other stuff and it didn't work out. You got it right. And you know like, next week or you got Kansas City. Sorry, who was it again? For the chief. Yeah, can see he has two next week. The chiefs are playing.

[01:17:08] Since a daddy at home, and then they close at the chargers. So they theoretically should win both of those. But I probably wouldn't be shocked if Cincinnati beat them. It was shock me either because like I said, I just I feel like they're passing game

[01:17:30] because for Czecha one out again last week. For Czecha one out again last week. Ever was a layer of broken couple tackles and got a couple of runs. They got inside the five. But there's no separation. There's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no separation.

[01:17:50] Kelsey's the only guy that you expect to really uncover on his route. Guys uncover on the scramble because my home is scrambling around and getting through stuff like Watson called a test now. I'm going to be scrambling.

[01:18:03] But straight up off the line running his route. Kelsey's only guy is going to be open. But if you double cover him, it's hard to beat double coverage when everyone knows the ball's potential to come to you.

[01:18:16] When you're like potentially the read 90% of the time inside the red zone. Right. It's hard to beat that. Like you can't shake it because it's a dude just waiting.

[01:18:26] It's a guy garden you and then to do is waiting for your shake move both of Mark on a fall for it. Specialist like listen man don't worry about any of those guys running routes.

[01:18:37] In the yes is not a resume threat received rights maybe, but he still working because he's a big body trying to figure out how do I get open in these type spaces.

[01:18:48] So you just use the back of the ins on as your extra defender and you just double Kelsey. And I want to take a moment to give a shout out to Robert not most solah. You know for getting this team to six wins, you know,

[01:19:05] blowing a 20 point lead and they're like, I'm giving them credit that team. They started to boil like three games. I'm not given them any credit for that. You can still want six games. But that's the thing.

[01:19:18] You probably wouldn't have been a struggle to get to six games if you say what. We'll say, I mean, games was that wills a good win. Like if he played every game this season, what was the record going to be? He wouldn't beat the Falcons.

[01:19:30] Maybe I was at that game. He would have beat the Falcons. It scored 13 points. Hey, apparently it's Trevor Symbian was the answer. Yo, he was awful. What? Even with that boy it was connecting us and beat throws. Zach Wilson beats the Falcons.

[01:19:50] The same way he beat the Texans. I think that Rob and Solah and not most solah, he for lack of Edward is lucky that Aaron Rodgers got hurt. Because I don't know if he's that good of a coach. I'm just trying to figure out why.

[01:20:08] Washington didn't fire Rivera after the by week or, you know, Jordan to buy week and give me an in the trial run. I'm also trying to figure out why it even matters to pitch Sam Hollett at this point. Being in me because they're all done. They're all done.

[01:20:28] You're about to be the Carolina Panthers to a point out. No, say that. You're always down. He's coming up. You have a new ownership group. You have a guy who has success. I believe he owns the 76ers. He does.

[01:20:42] And any owns another professional team or least is on ownership group of another professional team. You're going to have to be a professional team. Yeah, so I think you got magic Johnson on it.

[01:20:53] So which makes no sense in the other than just he saw an investment in just had money. He's a big name in the party. But yeah, all that that's all against tripped out. That's like, you know, we all have a friend like to restore old cars. Yeah.

[01:21:11] Yeah, the Washington commanders are going to be that old car you're from. Yeah, so my dog will you'll think that needs this. That needs that and it's going to be in the garage for years. Mike, Tom, I'm going to pull up talking about the song about family.

[01:21:29] They talking about I've been seeing all these rumors that the Steelers may look to trade him. So, you know, we'll see what happens. And I know you wanted to get to this. I'm a letter of it. I'm a letter of get to it. All right.

[01:21:42] What happened in my Ohio to other night? I mean, it's just a master class in who's a real coach. A real leader of men. A real man, a month, a real. Like a real leader. Sean Payton is not that guy. Something about the West.

[01:22:07] If it's a cutie quarterbacks. Listen man, you put. You put Russell Wilson and New England. You put Bill Belichick tell him to just don't lose a game force. You don't tell him famous for saying, don't tell me what a guy can do.

[01:22:25] Tell me what he can do well and I'll have him do that. So if you can't rest the passion that you can defend. Okay, cool. You're just going to be my live record that you don't put you in there on Wood's now.

[01:22:37] I was talking to somebody today and I was like, yo, Russell Wilson would be such a fit for the Patriots if they weren't about the rebuild or you know, like he would be such a great fit even in like Pittsburgh.

[01:22:49] You know, like from a personality standpoint, you know, because I think I think Sean Payton is a highly wood coach. I think he went out for Fox. I think they've filmed an LA. I believe he sat down with these dinners with these people and he was eating this

[01:23:06] caviar from body farm in France and this lobster from then. I was like, we're getting like, I think he sat around with these execs. He started filling himself. But when it comes down to it, he was a mediocre coach with the Hall of Fame quarterback.

[01:23:26] There's no other way to slice it. His record coming into this year was the same as Mike McCarthy and Mike McCarthy three years in a row since coming to Dallas and even his time, you know, he had a back couple of bad years and three baits.

[01:23:41] But his time in Dallas people been trying to run him off. He's at 12 wins, 12 wins 10 wins. Yeah. Sean Payton. I'm going to get at least a lot of these watching today. And one of these last two games. And then Sean Payton's out here. Listen, I don't know.

[01:23:59] I'm not a conversational person. I'm not like, like, I can fight them and get into it. So that guy hands, he catches me in the streets and my getting knuckle down. But I understand the dynamic or whatever of like coach player and I understand that certain

[01:24:18] coaches are going to be demonstrative and they're going to bark on you and you're going to yell, I understand that. But I'm not a young pup. I'm like Russell Wilson 33, something years old. Wife couple of kids career, Super Bowl ring just like man's life. Man's lived the life.

[01:24:37] Yeah. So you stop flipping your headset up and barking at me in front of all these people on TV because I'm Jared Stidham. Because I had some point Russell got to get on the podium like listen, yo, they brought

[01:24:53] this bum as dude in here and I'm sick of them. Sick of his arrogance, I'm sick of his attitude, y'all paid him $20 million. It's because we're going to do cut them, cut me and pay me $80 million.

[01:25:03] I'm not a dream on grandmothers, see that's why I'm very mongregma be a good football player. Because he would get in here and they would say coach Payton was upset about something.

[01:25:12] Like what was he telling you and dream on was say, I don't know what he said because about it can push to this face. Yeah, Russell was to these like an angry translator behind the like like a kid. Like a kid, he and Pilsky. That's what he needs.

[01:25:28] Because Sean Payton's acting out a pocket. Yeah. Yeah, that's bad. It's gone nuts. You know, in medicine. You know, but different gave that game away. Like it had nothing to do with Russell Wilson. Like I remember at one point,

[01:25:45] New England went down in scored and Suink kick off. They fumble it. And New England scoops it in front of the net in the end zone. And then we made a comeback, but that was basically the game. You know, Billy Zappy, of course, still top or fame.

[01:26:02] You know, get some down to field. And shout out, you don't speak in a shout outs. Kids out there in America. The this word is overused in the air force every single day. But you have to be resilient.

[01:26:20] You know, this kicker for the Patriots, Chad Ryle 15 of 23 on the season. He had missed the field goal in that game. Mr. Extra Point in that game. And he comes through from 53 with the game on the line. You know, Bill Belicechus will not die.

[01:26:40] Robert Crap is pissed because he wanted the number two pick. Since Chicago is going to have the number one. Riker a lot of. Will you be. Will you check his messing up all the plans on he might get. True. Everybody get his is a was somebody.

[01:26:55] Love you Smith on. He told me. Yeah, we know. I got this beat. Buffalo wants this year. Yeah, I just watch out for him. They can be tough. Like I said, like, I mean, I get it. I bang on Sean Payton.

[01:27:11] Mainly because I just don't like the way he handles. Like Bill Belicechus. Bill Belicechus will go to the podium and you ask him a question like. Has Robert Crap talked to you about your security, your future as a New England. Hey coach.

[01:27:28] Now, you really asking me if my boss is going to fire me and you asked me this on national TV. But he we asked you like this and we're on to Deborah were on to Kansas City. You were on to the by week, whatever the case may be.

[01:27:43] I think he handles it. But Sean Payton talked about, you know, a call to play, you know, Would that get in the place in a time if we have to risk band will risk band it.

[01:27:57] And it's like you keep acting as if you not parties collapse is thought like you're In found out. You get one super bowl appearance, Ring off of an onside kick in a pick six because sometimes pay manny kind of Fault is in the big moments.

[01:28:20] That's it. You were five or 11 like three years in a row of degrees you started quarterback and Mr. Playoffs a lot. Throwing for 5,000 yards. 8,700 touchdowns. 50,000 slant routes to Michael Thomas.

[01:28:37] Like you got Michael Thomas hurt by having them the game because you ego ego got him hurt and I Game of just have a way he didn't need to be in there. Didn't need to be running any plays.

[01:28:48] Ego got you suspended for a year because you were doing a bounty gate. Ego got you the record that you have. And yet arrogance is cost you even more now. And I'm like, I don't know why people aren't calling them out on this even more. Like I hope.

[01:29:01] So it was more overrated. Who's more overrated? Sean Payton, the John Group. Sean Payton. Because Grun is Grun at least when he went from when he left the field and he was in a booth and he was doing like that pre draft stuff.

[01:29:18] That pre draft stuff with the quarterbacks. He had like X, Y, Spyder Z or something. It was X over, Spyder, Y banana, whatever that play is. He loved Andrew luck. Like he had that, that you know, a lack of a lack of ability to win.

[01:29:37] Sean Payton never had a lack of ability to win because it's like how do you even get a job? Well, you are here head hunting quarterbacks and pay players. Like I, you why here, just disruptive in the safety of the game.

[01:29:51] But yet you get this job on TV. Yeah, it doesn't make sense, but you know he is who he is. Denver stuff with him. So you know, you know, they got the wallmark money. So it'll be all right. You know, right when you're on the right.

[01:30:10] Yeah, Russell will be out of there next year. You know, I don't know where he's going to go because I was trying to think about it.

[01:30:17] You know, I don't see Pittsburgh bringing them in if they don't have Tom and if they don't have Tom, if you don't have a coast is over 10 years coaching. Yeah, like I think you got that.

[01:30:36] You know, like maybe the raiders, you know, but they got Garoppolo still, you know. I don't think I don't think they'll make a move for an older guy. I think I think Garoppolo, if they can get him off the books, I think they will.

[01:30:49] I see the raiders making a divaate Adam's trade to finally to move up to get like the quarterback of the future. Should have did that he should be gone already.

[01:31:02] And the moment that they, the moment that Garoppolo was out, like whether he was injured or they decided to finish it. Well, like they were going to fire the head coach. He should just start to rebuild then right.

[01:31:13] That's not just part of rebuild with my interim coach who has eight to eight to nine weeks experience. Get rid of all the vets. You know, I'm really good.

[01:31:24] You do have a plan hard though, like you know what I mean? Like, say at least he's got that going for him, but he's not in a job. He had one dude that can get open on the flat route. They lose a game.

[01:31:35] That's like just one. If one dude can, if one dude can get open on an out route and not let the corner back undercut everything that pattern only going out there.

[01:31:45] They lose. I got said they got shut out last week. I mean a couple weeks ago. So you know, Minnesota. Yeah, so you know, in a hard, like, a no kind was not the answer.

[01:31:54] No, I mean, he was a fifth round draft pick. So I mean, you know, you got to work that in, you know, everybody can't be brought up. It must be brought up. It's my stress. It's must as in my series about how I look.

[01:32:06] I think I'm not quarterback to be pretty. I need you to be out there, like really, I need you to be out there, like, like you're trying to run for class president. That's how I do my quarterback. I'm going to put it back to look like a guard.

[01:32:19] Right. I need you out there. Jimmy Garoff will style with the with the blotchin. And I mean, did you like that? Like, I need you. I need you sitting courtside at,

[01:32:29] at, you know, basketball games and the chili is right. I need you to be able to galvanize a room full of men and most men follow. Tall here some dudes people can argue that.

[01:32:43] Oh, you want, but every president United States with a short with exactly like two maybe three.

[01:32:49] I think TAF might have been five eight and theater or Roosevelt might have been five eight of five nine, but for the most part they've been six foot six foot plus Obama trump Biden Washington, Van Buren FDR. They've all been tall.

[01:33:12] Our known to follow tall handsome dudes, especially even other men. I need my quarterback to be one of those guys that people can follow. He's not one of them. And they're probably going to get rid of them. That's why I'm most of it.

[01:33:25] Look at the head coach and look all the head coaches that get fired. You're doing a standing in the fire. Steve looks constantly getting fired. Frank Rice tall, but he's just not a good coach. Obama man, a fan geo. Fans geo. You know, that's Joseph.

[01:33:44] Tell me a little guy short guys. I'm sorry he's just going to fight. Mike's not just probably holding down for the five or eleven crowd, but I mean look at these guys getting bench like you just you're getting bench for just size.

[01:33:57] It's just it's like a thing is I know it sounds like you know super childish and like you know superficial. But it is a fact of our you know the Michael climate of ours. You know, buddy, trying to play. Mark Lee.

[01:34:11] People trying to like Josh Allen Josh Allen means six four. Josh Allen Calibary plays the same way. Yeah, but one of them supposed to was not. Yeah, that's what it is.

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