Mr. Logical has #golf etiquette on his mind, (01:55) #mlb finally gets it right after all these years. (6:25). The Celtics have made the finals, what now? (08:50) Dallas is on their way. What teams have been unlucky or just plan incompetent? (32:35) Find out in the first edition of Case studies.
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Yes, you are now listening to the sounds of Sports Reports as ordered.
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And tonight, are we going to complete our bracket on the way to the NBA finals?
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Can Dallas close it out at home?
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Or does Minnesota save us another day from having LeBron conversations?
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We're going to talk about some incompetent teams.
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Look back over the course of sports over the last few years and we picked out some select teams
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in a new segment that I like to refer to as case studies.
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So tonight, of course, you know Sports Reports is ordered is not complete without the even killed.
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Texas born, raised in VA, representing new Jerus.
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He is the one and only Mr. Logical.
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Do me a favor out there.
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Don't bring feelings to a fat fight.
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Don't do it.
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And then of course, I am your unorthodox statistician.
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Going left so much that you thought I was Southpaw.
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I've got more left than me than Deontay Wilder because he ain't got nothing.
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I got more left than me than Jalen Brown.
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It is what it is.
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Eastern Conference Finals MVP Jalen Brown, that is.
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I am.
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And we're going to get this thing started off, of course, as always.
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With the All-American.
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Get it off my chest.
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So hope everybody enjoyed their Memorial Weekend.
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I enjoyed it.
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Played a little golf.
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Played golf three out of the four days I was off Friday, Saturday, Sunday, three different
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courses at a good time.
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Pair it up with some strangers.
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You know, just, you know, it's a good round of golf, meet some people.
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You know, we have spectators.
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You got to show out.
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So I played the best round of golf my life on Saturday.
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Like it was amazing me.
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You know, sometimes you don't want to jinx it.
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Like when you bowl and you get like two strikes in the road, you're like, oh man, I'm about
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to get this turkey.
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But you don't want to say it to your head too much.
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I was killing it straight down the fairway.
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Every hole on the front nine.
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It was the dude looked at me like, do you normally play like this?
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I was like, nope.
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But that leads me to this next point.
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Golf is already like a very eccentric kind of sport hobby activity and has a lot of like
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nuanced rules.
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You know, say four, if you hit the ball and this goes spraying somewhere, you know, don't
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talk to someone's backswing.
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You know, don't be on the tee box when it's another group's turn.
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Little things like that pace of play.
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That is a real thing.
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18 holes should take about three to three and a half hours.
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If you're out there, you're in a group of four and you're slow, you know, you slow.
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It's part three, four or five.
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If you're still hitting five, six and seven and you're in the fairway, you know, we're
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near the green.
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You know, you're going to damn slow.
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Pick the ball up.
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Drop it next to the furthest person.
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Chipping in from there, going to the next hole.
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Don't be sitting around because you get it bogged up.
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So Saturday I played and the front nine was dope.
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A lot of people ended up leaving.
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So people on the back nine, it's a crowded, nice Saturday, breezy, 81 degrees.
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Don't get to the tee box and hit two and three balls because you hit one in the water.
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Drop it on the other side and keep it moving.
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If you, especially if you're in a group of three or four, like, listen, all y'all can't
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be hitting two balls.
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I mean, I bought myself in a cart.
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So I got to roll up on guys like, yo, can I play through?
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Like, that should be like the natural thing.
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Like, you know what?
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We're playing slow.
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You know you're playing slow because your scorecard told you playing slow.
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If you're not hitting bogeys, if you are here shooting seven, eight shots per hole, you're
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playing slow.
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Get your ass out the way.
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So I got to like say, yo, can I play through?
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Oh yeah, cool, cool, cool.
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The guy was like, just hit another one.
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I'm like, yo, can I play through?
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Oh yeah.
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So then I go play through, hit my ball.
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He hit right after me.
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I'm like, listen, you got to let me play.
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You got to let me get to my ball so I can play the rest of the hole.
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So these guys in front of me, they shotgun and beers.
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I'm just like, yo, this back nine was just ridiculous.
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And I'm like, I get it.
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You want to have a good time on Saturday.
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I'm not trying to tell people how to enjoy their time.
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But once again, if you see a group that's moving fast or a solo person that's moving
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faster, just get out of the way.
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It's like the left lane on the highway.
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Get out the way.
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So what ended up happening was that it got so congested and it was getting late and people
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were tired of waiting that I hit the ball.
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They had like the T box was like off to the left in the woods, off to the right in the
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woods.
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You couldn't see it.
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So I come out after I hit my T shot, the guys that I just passed, they're playing the ball.
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And then guys behind me didn't see me.
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They're playing the ball, almost hit me.
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I'm like, you know what?
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I'm out because I'm either I'm going to hit somebody or I'm going to get hit with this
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golf ball.
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So I just left on the AT&T.
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I just picked my ball up and I'm done.
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I'm done for the day.
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I had a great round, but it just was like the pace of play.
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If people were playing to the pace of play, I would have been ahead of the other group
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and it wouldn't have been slowed down at all.
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That's not a reviewable.
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That's just ridiculous.
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Did he get another file?
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It's five files.
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But yeah, so I love golf.
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I'm a golf as much as I can this summer.
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I just ordered like 96 balls.
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So pause.
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I'm going to be out there all summer.
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Just remember pace of play, get your ass out the way.
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Simply put, Mr. Logical said, to the left, to the left.
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Get your ass out the way.
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Yes, sir.
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So you know, as a vet, you know, as a dedicated vet serving 22 years in the mighty, mighty
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United States Air Force.
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The one thing that was expressed to us over and over was integrity first.
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Do the right thing, even when no one's looking.
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And as we've gone through the history of sports in this country, we've done a whole lot of
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the wrong thing.
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You know, whether it was segregation, whether it was blackballing a dude because he wanted
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to fight police brutality, you know, saying whether it was banning people for gambling
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and not putting people in the Hall of Fame that deserve to be in the Hall of Fame because
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they might have juiced a little something, even though it didn't necessarily affect their
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play in that way.
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Like Barry Barnes was already a Hall of Famer before there was ever a clear.
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So with that being said, it brought joy to my little heart.
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You know, I am confirming for you all out there that I do have a heart.
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It brought joy to my heart that Major League Baseball finally did the right thing and decided
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to include Negro League records into their record books.
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So whereas now we have people like Josh Gibson as a record holder, as he should be now granted.
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You know, 962 home runs, but a lot of those came in exhibition games.
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So you can't win them all.
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You know what I mean?
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But single season batting average, you know, on base percentages, you know, different records
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are now recognized that include the Negro League era of baseball.
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Now before y'all go out there.
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Because I know Negro League jerseys and hats going to be the wave now.
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You know, said just take a moment to appreciate because we always criticize baseball and all
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these other sports when they get it wrong.
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So I'm going to take a second and I'm going to give baseball a hand for getting it right.
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It's about time.
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You know what I mean?
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Keep that same energy.
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I shit on them and now I'm going to congratulate them because they finally did the right thing.
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And then from there we move forward.
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So the Boston Celtics, the bootleg British themselves are now in the NBA finals for the
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second time.
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There's a second time in the last couple of years.
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You know, this has been a dominant run.
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I know like we talk about LeBron James and the run that he had through the Eastern conference
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to get to the finals.
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This is not quite that, but it's still respectable and commendable what the Celtics have been
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able to do over the last eight years.
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Now what makes it even more interesting for a guy like me, because as Mr. Logical would
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say to five favorite word is rivalry.
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Oh, I am here for Kyrie Irvin against Boston in the NBA finals.
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If this holds up, but Mr. Logical, what are your takeaways from what the Celtics have
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been able to do?
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I think the Celtics have been fortunate that other, the injury bug has been biting the
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other team.
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I'm not saying it's easy to still playing against NBA players.
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It's still playing against the top 400 players in the world.
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So I'm not saying it was a cakewalk, but they definitely were fortunate to not have to deal
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with Donovan Mitchell for two games that series games four and five, which they won for a
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gentleman sweep.
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They didn't have to deal with me help the Knicks injury bug, help the Pacers beat them
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out and then the Pacers get to the East Conference finals and then injury bug takes out their,
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you know, their best player, their, their on ball score.
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So it's been good.
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I still think that Boston needs to just tighten up a few things.
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I think because they just look at the team, like the Pacers were never going to beat them.
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I don't think the Pacers would have beat them at full strength as far as like everybody
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that was in the playoffs.
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I'm not talking about guys who were injured beforehand, but things like that, but guys
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who were in the playoffs on the roster, I don't think they felt like, you know, Indiana
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had a chance against them, but they fall in love with the three.
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You can't do that against Dallas.
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Cause I think Dallas will run out on you.
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Luka throwing lobs to Gaffer.
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These these rest are getting them under those a clean steel ridiculous.
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But yeah, I think Boston has, like I said, they're definitely, they're going to be well
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rested because I've only played 14 games.
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That's a steal.
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That's a clean steal.
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That is a clean steal.
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That's a clean steal.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Review.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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That was a clean steal.
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That was a clean, so I've seen all game.
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So yeah, I don't know.
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I just, I don't know what the make of it.
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I think Boston, if they get for Zing is back, I figured like by Jane June six, he's got
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to be ready to go.
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If not the six, the eighth or the 10th, one of these, like he has to be ready somewhere
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in this finals.
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I like, I don't know exactly what the injury is, but if they were thinking he was coming
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back and then it was like, oh, he won't be back for the Eastern Conference finals, then
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they had to be thinking at least the finals, like he should be back.
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And I just, you know, obviously a seven foot three to unicorn and makes him even more dynamic.
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I think is there is there is for the taken Dallas played what six games of first round,
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six, the second round there.
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So they're on game number 16 now, I guess a very physical team.
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Luca hasn't been limping, but he did, you know, he was rusty dealing with, you know,
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dealing with OKC and now even though women just kind of battling, just getting bumped
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around, knocked around by the bigs.
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I don't think anybody in Boston had to like even bumping anybody bigger than them.
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Cause I don't think there's been a guy on the floor on the opposing side has been bigger
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other than miles Turner.
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Maybe I think he might be the only player that they saw this whole playoff run that
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was bigger than, I mean, maybe Bam, but Bam is about Tatum size.
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I think he's smaller than Tatum.
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I think he's shorter, but like he might.
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Yeah, that's what I mean.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I think, I think he's, I don't think he's six 10 and then I think they have Tatum like
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six nine, six 10.
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So I think they just, they've had like just pass to the paint, but they shoot the hell
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out of the three.
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I mean, how's her, I don't think I've seen them knocked down a three yet, which is having
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watched all their, having watched all 14 games that I have watched like a lot of each.
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Hey, hey, and Prichard is given those quality minutes.
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Yo, he is killing them that little step back behind the back dribble.
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Yeah, he's, he's been rebounded, you know.
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So this is my issue, right?
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I don't know what the believe, I just don't know what the believe.
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Remember you know, Kendrick told Drake, you know why I believe you, you never gave us
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nothing to believe in.
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That's how I feel about Boston right now, because I don't know if Indiana played above
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their heads or if Boston just played down to the competition.
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You know, like last night, for example, 14 to 44 from three.
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Why?
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You know what I mean?
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What I do know is we've solved the issue of, you know, a lot of people out there are still
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going to argue Jalen Brown versus Jason Tatum.
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But if nothing else, we figured out Jalen Brown is the one that relishes the moment.
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You know, because coming down the stretch last night, back to back possessions, he had
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to step through layup, he had the block shot, he kicked it out to Derek White for the game
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winner.
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And then of course, Drew Holliday sealed it with the offensive rebound.
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But Jalen Brown seems to be the one who wants that moment.
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Like we talked about, I've brought up Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook.
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There was no point that I felt that Russell Westbrook was the better player than Kevin
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Durant.
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But Russell Westbrook had the mentality of this is the moment there needs to be a hero,
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that hero is I.
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You know, and Kevin Durant was more like, all right, Russ, do your thing.
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Like you know what I mean?
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He just stepped back, acquiesced, if you will, you know, to use one of my Stephen A words,
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he acquiesced, you know, to Russell Westbrook.
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But now, as I look at the Celtics, this is what I see.
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Jason Tatum is the facilitator.
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Jason Tatum, you know, is generally the leading scorer.
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You know, Jason Tatum grabs rebounds.
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But when the game is on the line, when there's a big game, when there's a time to step on
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your opponent's neck, it's always Jalen Brown.
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And that's why he ended up winning the Eastern Conference Finals MVP, because he hit the
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shot in game one.
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You know, he came through with the moments like I talked about last night.
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He just seems game to game to know.
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Tonight, somebody has to put their imprint on this game.
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Whereas Jason Tatum, a lot of times, I don't want to say, you know, I'm not going to accuse
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him of something like stat padding.
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You know what I mean, but what Jason Tatum is allowed to do is come along for the ride,
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take a lot of shots.
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And then after the game, people look at the box score and says, well, he had 32 points.
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Yeah, I think as I'm watching this game here, Jason Tatum, I think it's to the point where
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Chris Musara said this on first things first, he's like, I think it's to the point where
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he might be getting overly criticized versus just, you know, just analyze.
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I'm guilty of that.
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I'll admit that I'm guilty of that.
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See, for me, like I never thought I never thought the way he played was like detrimental
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to the Celtics.
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I got these pop ups come up on my screen.
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Well, real quick, before you go any further, before you go any further, just let me say
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this thing real quick.
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You know what?
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I'm guilty of that, but I'm not the problem.
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These dudes are just pucks.
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It's our job to criticize and analyze, say what we see.
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Yeah, but it also is to the point where there's going to be a conversation where, well, he
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didn't win Eastern Conference finals MVP because that's just this generic conversation that
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we have.
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Right.
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I think what it is is that, like I said, I said the same thing about Lamar Jackson.
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I think Lamar Jackson got overly criticized early on in his career before he even took
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a snap and then he won his MVP.
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So now it's like people are just kind of, I want to say ignoring stuff, but they just
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they don't say the same type of stuff that they said before, even if it could apply.
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Like, yo, I think he needs to get better at throwing the ball from the pocket in the wind
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or whatever.
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Like that's an analysis you can make after a windy game.
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If you went 17 for 27 in a game, it was like, well, he has to get better from the pocket
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in windy games.
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Oh, you're just you're doubting them because it's and I think Jason Tatum was getting that
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same kind of criticism because it was always like, who's better him or Jalen Brown?
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Really it just was a testament to as we were talking about organization later, they just
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made two smart draft picks.
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Granted, they were helped out by other teams, not picking these guys over, you know, so
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like they ended up with two, two guys that fell in their lap.
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So when he got picked at number three, a lot of people did the what the hell, you know,
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and it just he developed in that way.
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Yes.
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And shout out to Danny H for keeping it together.
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And then Brad Stevens, when he was the head coach, moved up to the office.
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I thought that was a weird move.
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It seems to work better for him.
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Maybe he's a better and like, maybe he's better analytically with the players than he is schematically.
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And it seems to be like, yeah, let somebody else do this work down here.
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I'm the architect.
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Let me draw it up.
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Let these guys build.
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And I think that worked out.
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But let's slide into the future for a second.
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And let's just say Boston does not win the title this year.
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Can I really say that?
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Because I mean, it's the same results.
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If they don't win better teams, if they don't win it this year, it's because they're going
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to they're going to play a really good team.
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Yeah, everybody plays a really good team.
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But they're going to play a really, they're going to play a really good team that that
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it'll be I think it'll be a 50 50.
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If they're going to be like, I think the Vegas odds will probably be 50 50 on who's going
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to win between Dallas and Boston or even Minnesota, especially if Minnesota comes back, which
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has never happened.
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So if Minnesota comes back and is Minnesota Boston, it's like proof that you're playing
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a really, really good team because they were down old three and they ran all four wins
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in a row.
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So whoever they play in the NBA finals, it's going to be a difficult team.
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I happen to think that Brad Stevens is a great coach.
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You know what I mean?
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I mean, he was the architect of you always bring up Butler and how close they were to
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winning the national title.
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He was the architect of that.
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So if Joe Missoula with this team does not win the title in a couple of weeks, and here
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we are eight years into this, yeah, you got the two finals appearances.
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Yeah, you got all the Eastern Conference finals appearances.
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But if nobody can get the job done to get over that hump, it's hard for me to be like,
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it's hard for me to be like, oh yeah, Brad Stevens had to go upstairs because he couldn't
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get it done if nobody can do it.
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I don't think he had to go upstairs.
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I think it just was a matter of the reason he was really, really good at Butler because
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it was a small market team, very personable with the players, and they just played hard.
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I don't know if it translated to the NBA the way that he probably expected, but you can
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still tell he's a smart basketball mind.
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Like I said, we'll talk about organizations that do poor things like they could have just
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fired him straight up and said, you know what, you might be better here.
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We're going to allow you to use all of your skills here in this office.
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You still got to build it.
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Yes, you want to win it all.
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They have the team to win it all.
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It would be, in my opinion, I wouldn't call it a collapse, but I will give them an advantage
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over whoever they play.
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But they're going to, like I said, they're coming out.
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The Western Conference was tougher.
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This team, these teams, one team beat the number one seed, the other team beat the defending
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champs.
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Everybody was whole.
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All the Western Conference teams went through a real gauntlet.
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As the rest of my Texan brethren say, well, I tell you what, I would feel a lot better
00:22:06
about Boston because we've been talking about this for the last couple of weeks.
00:22:10
What if they don't win the title?
00:22:11
We're not talking about it just to have something to talk about or just like, I'm literally
00:22:16
concerned that they may not win the title.
00:22:19
It would be definitely, it would be a disappointment, for lack of a better word.
00:22:27
I'm not trying to bring feelings to a fact fight, but I believe that if Brad Stevens
00:22:35
was on the sideline as the head coach right now, I would feel a lot more confident than
00:22:40
I do.
00:22:41
Well, I think a lot of times we, Mike Mazzullo does seem to make some moves that we don't
00:22:48
get.
00:22:52
Don't lump him in with me.
00:22:53
Don't lump him in with me.
00:22:54
I don't know why I call him Mike.
00:22:55
I think it's because of the hairline.
00:22:56
He's just got a Mike kind of hairline.
00:22:57
What the hell is that?
00:22:58
No, like he's a young guy.
00:23:03
I keep forgetting.
00:23:04
Joe, I know I call him Mike every single time.
00:23:08
No, let me flex these grades up in here.
00:23:14
Sometimes it is peculiar simply because I think we all look at Boston's team and think
00:23:21
to ourselves, yo, I could coach that team.
00:23:25
So when we see the moves that he makes, because I know going back to the 2022 finals, that
00:23:31
was a conversation is like, yo, why is the coaching advantage between Steve Kerr and
00:23:38
Mazzullo, it was quite vast.
00:23:40
You could tell and then you had the experience on the floor.
00:23:44
I think this Boston team is different.
00:23:46
I think having Drew Holiday on the floor.
00:23:48
That was E-May, right?
00:23:50
That was E-May.
00:23:51
Yeah.
00:23:52
Yeah.
00:23:53
No, no, no.
00:23:54
Yeah, that was E-May.
00:23:55
Yeah, that was E-May.
00:23:56
Yeah.
00:23:57
E-May.
00:23:58
And then the Eastern Conference finals last year with Miami, when it was like they had
00:23:59
to battle back in game seven and then Tatum rolled his ankle and it was just like, I guess
00:24:04
you want to die on your shield, but as a coach, maybe you tell him like, listen, go shoot
00:24:11
that thing up, tape it up, come out, give me seven good minutes, go back in the locker
00:24:15
room, tape it back up again, come back out.
00:24:19
Don't just, don't just limp through the whole game.
00:24:21
Like, listen, give me, give me your spurts.
00:24:23
We'll put somebody else in and see if we can battle this out.
00:24:26
But that's a coaching decision.
00:24:28
But same thing.
00:24:29
You got a guy out there wants to be a warrior.
00:24:30
He wants to die on the shield.
00:24:31
You got to give him that opportunity as well.
00:24:35
But like I said, they won the East by a lot.
00:24:37
They won every game by average of 11 points.
00:24:42
They're running through the playoffs.
00:24:43
Yes, they had some, a lot of late game comebacks and things like that.
00:24:50
But I don't know.
00:24:51
I just, I feel that we got to let them get to the finals.
00:24:57
I think they match up well.
00:24:59
I think they're a matchup nightmare for either one of these teams that comes out of the West
00:25:04
simply because Boston's bigs like gaffer and lively cannot, they're not going to be able
00:25:12
to guard.
00:25:13
Uh,
00:25:14
Perzingis and Horford, Perzingis and Horford on the, out on the wings.
00:25:21
But if Luke is going to keep throwing up these lob passes, then I think they'll just take
00:25:26
that.
00:25:27
You know what, we'll give you this edge if we can just keep banging down low.
00:25:33
But yeah, no, I, I agree with that, you know, but as far as Dallas goes, you know, and this
00:25:40
is common for these conference finals this year.
00:25:43
Well, for one, I think I had read that this could be the first time both series get swept.
00:25:49
But uh, but yeah, I think I saw that.
00:25:51
But as I was looking at this Minnesota, I'm not trying to do the thing.
00:25:58
I'm not trying to do the thing.
00:26:00
Minnesota could feel like that.
00:26:02
They should be up three Oh right now.
00:26:05
You know, um, Indiana had three games of that four game series where in the fourth quarter,
00:26:11
they had a 90 or higher percent chance of winning that game.
00:26:16
And game one was the Aaron out of bounds play.
00:26:19
Jalen Brown hit the, you know, the equivalent of a Ray Allen shot, you know, um, you know,
00:26:26
game four, they just fell apart last night.
00:26:28
Like them hard, like both of these series have shown us people are not just making stuff
00:26:35
up when they say experience matters.
00:26:38
That's what I think we're running into in both of these series because like them hard
00:26:43
would play great for the first 45 minutes of the game and then he would just crash out.
00:26:50
So does he see two minutes on the clock?
00:26:54
This man would do some of the craziest decision making.
00:26:57
He was out of control to sped up.
00:26:59
He couldn't, he couldn't like,
00:27:01
I was number 23, Nick, nice Smith, nice Smith.
00:27:04
Yeah.
00:27:05
Aaron, he did the same thing last night.
00:27:07
I think he, he shot like a three with a man, it was like 12 seconds left from the shot
00:27:13
clock and they hadn't scored for like a minute and a half, two minutes.
00:27:17
There's another alley.
00:27:18
You know, like the new lob city.
00:27:20
I know that's what they're looking for.
00:27:24
I think, I think, I think I'm scared.
00:27:27
I don't know why.
00:27:28
Like look, you know, say I will never claim to be some kind of basketball tactician or
00:27:34
whatever the case may be.
00:27:35
But I feel like, you know, feel, I feel like Dallas has had 30 alley oops in this series.
00:27:42
Oh, it's close.
00:27:44
The other day I saw a stat the other day after game.
00:27:49
I want to say this was after game two Dallas had something like nine alley oops or eight
00:27:56
alley oops in this series, 20 overall for the playoffs, which is more than all the rest
00:28:02
of the teams combined in the playoffs.
00:28:05
Because there's three dudes on Dallas that do nothing outside of eight feet from the
00:28:10
hoop.
00:28:11
Derek Jones, New York gaffer, Derek Lively, all they look for a lobs.
00:28:15
They don't look for any pin down so they can pick and pop.
00:28:18
None of that.
00:28:19
They're not shooting any free throw line extended jumpers.
00:28:22
They are simply rolling to the hoop, looking for Luca, looking for Kyrie and the fact that
00:28:27
both Luca and Kyrie are great passers off the dribble.
00:28:31
They attract attention.
00:28:32
Like I said, it's just two versions of the same player in different sizes.
00:28:36
So that is the like I don't know if Boston can defend it better than Minnesota.
00:28:42
Right.
00:28:43
Will they just kind of or will they be able to just score and barrage is from the three
00:28:48
point line that kind of negates Dallas want to take it down because with these Minnesota
00:28:54
games, Minnesota was up 10 early and then Dallas comes storming back.
00:29:00
They were up for late in the game, four or five points late in the game, the last from
00:29:05
games one and two to they definitely should have won and and through that pass out of
00:29:11
bounds.
00:29:12
That was a bad look.
00:29:13
And then they had to switch.
00:29:14
Like I don't know why they switch go bear on the Luke.
00:29:17
I'm like, just didn't make any sense.
00:29:19
I would have rather just him follow him, just follow and have him shoot two free throws.
00:29:24
Well, you know, trying to defend them and let him shoot the three in his face.
00:29:28
Well, you know, in game three, Minnesota scored 20 points in the fourth quarter.
00:29:34
Kyrie and Luca, 21, 21.
00:29:39
That's your difference in the series right there.
00:29:40
Besides the fact that old kitty cat came in here tonight, shooting 28 percent from the
00:29:47
floor and 14 from three.
00:29:49
And that's me rounding up, by the way.
00:29:51
Yeah.
00:29:52
Every game I looked in the second half when they show his stats, he was four for 13 two
00:29:57
nights in a row.
00:30:01
You know, I wanted to see more in W.A.
00:30:04
They played him a little bit more tonight.
00:30:06
That being Neil Walker, Alexander, Nicky, old Walker, Alexander.
00:30:10
But for Indiana, it's the same thing.
00:30:12
Like, I don't understand how these teams work.
00:30:15
So for example, they drafted Jairus Walker at number eight this year, number seven, I
00:30:22
believe it was.
00:30:23
He was a swap.
00:30:24
The Wizards drafted him, but then they traded him for Kula Bali.
00:30:29
And he played five minutes the whole series against Boston.
00:30:33
So now when we get to the playoffs next year and they try to play him, they're going to
00:30:38
say he's inexperienced.
00:30:39
He doesn't have any playoff experience.
00:30:41
Once again, like I would love to sit down with like an NBA coach at some point, maybe
00:30:46
just by happen chance, I'll get an opportunity to sit down because I'm going to ask him like,
00:30:52
why do you have 12 dudes on the bench and four of them don't even take like four of
00:30:57
them might not even have their shorts on underneath their sweatpants?
00:31:00
Well, like, how are you doing?
00:31:03
What are you what are you doing with these guys?
00:31:05
Why are they on the bench if they don't get any time on the floor?
00:31:10
It doesn't make any sense to me that they get to this level.
00:31:13
They played all these different levels of basketball and they get to the NBA.
00:31:17
You're running a hell of a lot of other.
00:31:19
You got guys playing 42 minutes, 41 minutes, 43 minutes, and you can't get another guy
00:31:25
on the bench on the floor with these other four.
00:31:28
Like is he so out of play?
00:31:29
Because if he's so out of place that you can't put him in the game, then why is he on the
00:31:34
team?
00:31:35
Yeah, I, I would have loved to have seen Indiana with Ben Matherin in the lineup, you know,
00:31:43
but since he wasn't, I figured Jairus Walker is that kind of do everything.
00:31:49
Swiss Army knife, especially if Tyrese Halliburton isn't going to be there.
00:31:53
You know, he's six, eight.
00:31:54
He can be that point forward, grab rebounds, block shots, you know, whatever the case may
00:31:59
be versus playing old man McDermott, you know, you know, versus, you know, playing some of
00:32:08
these guys that aren't going to contribute anything but cardio, you know, and keep everybody
00:32:14
paced, I guess.
00:32:15
Like they're like the dudes when you're doing your PT test that you asked to come run, come
00:32:20
out there and run with you so they can keep you on task.
00:32:23
But you know, I guess, you know, we'll just have to wait.
00:32:26
You know, I got a one point game right now.
00:32:28
Minnesota's up Dallas coming down the court.
00:32:31
So about eight and a half left.
00:32:35
So you know, another photo finish it looks like, you know, look at this BS call.
00:32:41
I know.
00:32:42
He getting that D whistle treatment that Dwayne Wade for y'all out there that don't know to
00:32:47
five terminology yet.
00:32:48
He whistles.
00:32:49
So he's on the ground King.
00:32:54
You know, I just oh, I hate referees so much sometimes.
00:32:58
No, Scott Foster just the fact that I know his name to get some of nerves.
00:33:02
Yeah.
00:33:03
But we were talking about case studies and some of these teams that just can't figure
00:33:10
it out.
00:33:11
So, you know, this was your idea.
00:33:13
You know, you brought it up to me.
00:33:14
I thought it was one of the greatest things I heard.
00:33:17
So, so, you know, I'm gonna let you take first dibs on this.
00:33:21
So, you know, where would you like to take us?
00:33:24
I'm a I'm a start.
00:33:25
I'm a start simple.
00:33:27
It's probably something that's probably on a lot of people's minds.
00:33:31
We talk about all of these teams and their coaches and the contracts and the contracts
00:33:37
are guaranteed.
00:33:41
Detroit Pistons.
00:33:44
He gave money Williams who hit that ball out.
00:33:47
That's clearly off the cat.
00:33:51
Monty Williams got 72 million dollars to coach this team and they haven't done anything right.
00:34:01
It seems like they had the Wayne Casey got rid of him.
00:34:05
Their draft picks.
00:34:06
You had Sarah Thompson Thompson last year who you didn't need because you had Jayden
00:34:10
Ivy the year before.
00:34:11
You had Kay Cunningham the year before then.
00:34:14
You had Luca Garza who's playing in Minnesota now.
00:34:18
Killian Hayes out of the league.
00:34:19
He dropped him in 2020.
00:34:23
Bruce Brown.
00:34:24
You got him in the second round.
00:34:26
That was your like you didn't have another pick.
00:34:29
Luke Kennard in 2017.
00:34:30
So, it's like they get these players that get these coaches and they put them together
00:34:33
and then they fire the coach.
00:34:35
New coach comes in gets for all the players.
00:34:37
And they bring another coach in and then they like they gave them 72 million dollars.
00:34:41
You know who they picked up last season, right?
00:34:46
They went out and got wise men.
00:34:48
Yeah, we got wise.
00:34:50
Even though they already had Jalen Duran, they got Bagley.
00:34:54
You know, they had they just keep making the same mistake over and over again.
00:34:59
You wonder why like, oh, why are we always and then they don't get the first pick.
00:35:03
They don't get the first overall pick.
00:35:04
So that's always hilarious.
00:35:08
So then you have another team like I talked about the owners.
00:35:14
Talk about these owners trying to microwave championships.
00:35:16
We could talk about the Phoenix Suns and how they traded their whole team away to get Kevin
00:35:23
Duran Bradley build, but didn't want to go get a point guard, which you probably could
00:35:26
have gotten from any G League organization.
00:35:31
Already had campaign.
00:35:32
Had campaign, got rid of him.
00:35:35
And then the Brooklyn Nets, the Brooklyn Nets were supposed to be like this, the new part
00:35:43
of the New York takeover, like they gentrified Brooklyn to build that stadium, but all those
00:35:47
people out, move them out the way.
00:35:49
They got Jay-Z on as an ambassador.
00:35:51
So people bought into the whole Brooklyn idea.
00:35:55
And then you get this Russian oligarchy comes in and spends his money.
00:35:59
It doesn't work out.
00:36:00
So he's like, I'm going to sell it.
00:36:02
So now Joe aside has a team.
00:36:05
They go like, well, one of the bad moves they made was trading pretty much the whole team
00:36:10
away from Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, that Darren Williams, they were like the Clippers
00:36:14
of this past season, but they did like 10 years ago.
00:36:17
Don't forget Joe Johnson.
00:36:19
And he's Joe, a bunch of old guys that always it was going to be easy.
00:36:24
And then LeBron and the heat put 50 on Paul Pierce and knocked them out of playoffs and
00:36:29
essentially ended Paul Pierce's career as he rode off into the sunset with the Wizards
00:36:33
or something like that.
00:36:34
Yeah.
00:36:35
But like I said, the Clippers, the Clippers seem to do the same, the bat, like everyone's
00:36:41
feels like they're chasing, like they're chasing this imaginary thing instead of just being
00:36:47
ready when you're, when you get the right pieces in place, just be ready to make your
00:36:52
team work.
00:36:53
They're like, nah, it's the same thing with the NFL.
00:36:55
When Peyton Manning started throwing a bunch of touchdowns, now everybody wanted to go
00:36:57
get four or five wide receivers is like, listen, you better learn how to block and get a quarterback
00:37:02
that can make all those audibles because everyone can't do that.
00:37:06
Oh my goodness.
00:37:07
Let's get out here and get this Oklahoma drill popping.
00:37:09
Oh my, oh my, oh my.
00:37:11
Yeah, that's cool.
00:37:12
Zach Wilson can't run Peyton Manning's offense.
00:37:15
So like, like I said, so a lot of these teams with the new owners, like I said, the whole
00:37:20
microwave championship, that's always something that really caught my eye.
00:37:25
The commanders, they got their new owners ship group, but they let run very run for
00:37:32
a year and now they brought their own people in.
00:37:35
But Denver, Denver went out there, spent all that money like that ownership group.
00:37:40
They bought that team.
00:37:41
They hire one coach, they fire them at the 11 games and then they go get another coach.
00:37:45
They overpay him.
00:37:46
Then he overpaid a quarterback.
00:37:47
And they got rid of quarterback.
00:37:48
Out of the league was on TV.
00:37:51
So now that's going to set them back.
00:37:52
You're a proud franchise that if bold nicks doesn't work out, now what you're going to
00:37:59
do?
00:38:00
Get your first round pick and a coach you're paying reportedly rumor has it, $20 million
00:38:04
a year.
00:38:05
So who is your, your, your teams?
00:38:13
So I looked into the Washington wizards and I mean, obviously that's pretty predictable
00:38:22
considering I'm one of the four Washington wizard fans left on the planet.
00:38:27
So, so as I was looking into this, I decided to go back, you know, sad or some, you know,
00:38:33
black street, taking you back, taking you back.
00:38:36
So I went to 2008 and I looked at Antoine Jameson, one of the leaders of the franchise.
00:38:43
One of the guys that had success as a wizard.
00:38:47
They traded him over to Cleveland, to LeBron James, who had, you know, already eliminated
00:38:53
eliminated you from the playoffs, you know, and everything.
00:38:57
And in return for Antoine Jameson, they, you know, three team trade, they brought back
00:39:03
the El Gascus because they wanted the expiring contract.
00:39:09
They got the 2010 draft pick from Cleveland, the rights to something called a mere Prelzic,
00:39:18
which you know, I think I take that for my asset reflux.
00:39:22
And you know, and so, so, so that was already starting off wrong.
00:39:26
Right.
00:39:27
So then you go to 2010 and you're like, yo, the wizards got John Wall.
00:39:35
It's on and popping.
00:39:37
So the wizards also had two other draft picks in that draft.
00:39:42
Ready for this one?
00:39:45
Lazar Hayward and here we go.
00:39:49
Here we go.
00:39:52
Nemanja Beheliza.
00:39:54
Hold on.
00:39:56
Okay.
00:39:57
Okay.
00:39:58
Oh, can you hear me?
00:40:02
I can't hear you.
00:40:03
All right.
00:40:04
I was on mute.
00:40:05
I was on mute.
00:40:06
Oh yeah.
00:40:07
So this is, this is, uh, accountants.
00:40:08
Right.
00:40:09
So, so this is what the wizards, so after they got John Wall, here are the wizards first
00:40:14
round picks going forward.
00:40:18
So Jan Vesely, Bradley Beal, Otto Porter, Jordan Clarkson, but they traded him to the
00:40:26
Lakers on draft night.
00:40:28
Jerry and Grant, you know, Harvey Grant's son, not Horace Grant's son, Harvey Grant's
00:40:33
son, uh, Troy Brown, Rui Achimora, Denny Avija, Corey Kispert, Johnny Davis, Jerez
00:40:42
Walker, who they traded for Kula Bali, as I mentioned earlier.
00:40:46
So Kula Bali, Victor Wimbayama's teammate who averaged three points during the regular
00:40:52
season during their season together last year.
00:40:57
And then he improved to seven and a half points in the playoffs.
00:41:01
And people said, look at the big step he took forward.
00:41:04
That's what the wizards are dealing with since 2009 up through this year.
00:41:09
They have averaged 31 wins.
00:41:13
You know, throughout that time you've had a mixture of Leonard Hamilton, Eddie Jordan,
00:41:19
Flip Saunders, rest in peace.
00:41:22
You know, uh, Wes Unsell Jr, Randy Whitman, you know, back in the day, even before that
00:41:28
they went in boarding Doug Collins to come along with the MJ stimulus, even though that
00:41:34
was 12, 13 years prior because they were trying to chase glory that didn't exist.
00:41:40
And I didn't work either.
00:41:41
Yeah.
00:41:42
Yeah.
00:41:43
So then when it got Phil Jackson, if you wanted to do that.
00:41:47
So then as a part, also a part of that Antoine Jameson trade I brought up earlier, they got
00:41:52
Al Thornton from the Clippers, Drew Gooden, you know, uh, so in the
00:41:58
John Wall gear free agency wise, they signed Lester Hudson, Sean Marks, Adam Morrison,
00:42:06
and Marty Collins.
00:42:08
Sean Marks has to GM for the he learned from a great organization how to butcher something.
00:42:16
Yeah.
00:42:17
You mentioned that they got Paul Pierce.
00:42:18
He hit the game winner against Toronto and said, that's why you bought me here.
00:42:22
And that was a game.
00:42:24
Yeah.
00:42:25
That was it.
00:42:26
So bringing it back home until current times when it got Russell Westbrook, you know, made
00:42:31
the playoffs as an eight seed traded Russell Westbrook to LA or yeah, to LA.
00:42:39
You remember what they got back in that trade?
00:42:42
That was the Kuzma deal, right?
00:42:44
Not yet.
00:42:45
Not yet.
00:42:46
They got KCP Montrez, Harold, and a draft pick.
00:42:55
You know, that was that.
00:42:57
Um, then this went for a Rui.
00:43:01
Yes.
00:43:02
No, no, no, no, no.
00:43:04
Yeah.
00:43:05
No, no, no, no, no.
00:43:06
I think Kuzma was a free agent.
00:43:08
I think he was part of a trade.
00:43:11
Hold on real quick.
00:43:12
But where I was going with this Rui, Rui, um, he went for Kendrick Nunn in three second
00:43:20
round picks.
00:43:21
Yeah.
00:43:22
That's that was like the Paul Gasol deal.
00:43:25
Yeah.
00:43:26
That was, yeah, that was, um, let's hook the Lakers up deal.
00:43:29
Yeah.
00:43:30
So then, you know, so KCP, of course, had KCP on the roster.
00:43:35
You know, you got your leader, you know, all that kind of stuff.
00:43:39
Right.
00:43:40
And they traded KCP for Will Barton, who is in Spain right now.
00:43:47
Makes sense.
00:43:48
You know what I mean?
00:43:49
And Monte Morris, who is the backup point guard in Denver, or he was the backup point
00:43:54
guard in Denver.
00:43:55
Now he's the backup point guard in Minnesota and is still not getting minutes in this playoff
00:44:00
series.
00:44:01
Correct.
00:44:02
You know, so it's so like that goes beyond.
00:44:07
I could just simply say it's a cheap owner.
00:44:09
I could simply say it's just a culture thing.
00:44:14
You know, like I just, I just don't understand how you repeatedly do this, you know, from
00:44:20
the standpoint of you get a John Wall, you add a Bradley Beale on, and then you proceed
00:44:26
to not add anything else of note throughout that time.
00:44:32
So, uh, oh yeah.
00:44:33
So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you were right.
00:44:34
So
00:44:45
technical difficulties.
00:44:46
So yeah, yeah, we're just talking about just bad organizations and just bad moves and how
00:44:51
they constantly just put themselves in position and put themselves behind the eight ball.
00:44:56
As he was talking about his beloved Washington Wizards, I mentioned the Atlanta Falcons.
00:45:01
I talk about them a lot.
00:45:04
And one of the moves that I always hated was like they held onto a coach too long or they'd
00:45:09
hire the wrong coach.
00:45:11
They seem to make luxury first round draft picks versus filling the need with the best
00:45:18
available player.
00:45:19
Like the last three years.
00:45:20
So when they got last four years, actually you had Michael Pennings Jr. this year.
00:45:27
Then you go back last year was B John Robinson.
00:45:31
You didn't need cause Tyler Jr. just ran for a thousand yards as Ricky had Cordell Patterson.
00:45:37
And the year before they took Drake London and he's a good player, but you didn't need
00:45:43
a wide receiver there.
00:45:44
You could have taken the best defensive player available.
00:45:47
And then the year before you took Kyle Pitts and then you take Kyle Pitts.
00:45:51
You have Drake London, you have B John Robinson and you don't do anything for them.
00:45:56
And then you, like I said, you come out again.
00:45:58
Now you draft the quarterback that you can't put on the field or you don't want to be on
00:46:01
the field.
00:46:02
So the last four first round draft picks, top 10 draft picks, they hadn't produced like
00:46:08
top 10 picks where you could have gotten defensive tackle help, defensive edge help because they're
00:46:15
last in QB pressures every year last towards the bottom of the league in sacks every year.
00:46:21
The cornerbacks look like you're getting bad cornerbacks because the quarterbacks get four
00:46:26
seconds to pass the ball.
00:46:27
So AJ Terrell can cover, but he can't cover any of these wide receivers at any level for
00:46:32
four to five seconds on a route.
00:46:36
So that's always a problem.
00:46:39
And then after the 28 to three Super Bowl collapse, which happens, Shanahan went on
00:46:44
and become a head coach of the 49ers.
00:46:46
He kept Van Quinn, not saying he should have fired him.
00:46:48
They go back to the playoffs the following year.
00:46:51
They get the win over LA at the Coliseum, then they lose to Philly.
00:46:55
And then over the next couple of years, it got progressively worse.
00:46:58
Like the, the collapse was always in them and he didn't make the move until late.
00:47:04
And then you bring in a guy who had no business being a head coach, gave him three years of
00:47:08
seven and 10.
00:47:10
So it's just a perennial history of hiring a coach just to be mediocre or just below
00:47:18
average.
00:47:20
So getting seven and 10 every year, now you're drafting eight, nine or 10.
00:47:27
So you're not getting one of the top players, nor are you in a position where teams are
00:47:32
trying to desperately get from 14 to three because you have enough wins.
00:47:36
So all these other teams like Houston, Chicago capitalized off of their mediocrity by having
00:47:42
the number one pick and then Carolina giving them a haul.
00:47:46
And now they're still living off of that.
00:47:49
Arizona always seems to get a haul because they're in the top five drafting all the time.
00:47:53
So they take opportunities to rebuild their team.
00:47:56
Atlanta just doesn't really take those opportunities.
00:47:58
They don't take any of those risks.
00:47:59
So what ends up happening is that they're probably going to go seven and 10 this year,
00:48:05
get another late top 10 pick, maybe nine or somewhere, maybe 11 or something like that.
00:48:13
That's definitely off Gaffer, but of course, and I can call it.
00:48:16
So it's just you keep yourself in this perpetual cycle of mediocrity.
00:48:23
And then you wonder why you can't sell like your stadiums, whereas a lot of teams like
00:48:28
you talk about teams like the Yankees, they might not win champions, but I think the last
00:48:32
anyone the World Series 2009 with AROT, but the fans are loyal.
00:48:36
They're there all the time because the Yankees will spend the money on the free agent to
00:48:41
bring them in to make sure that, you know, we're going to be a good team.
00:48:45
If we don't win it all, we don't win it all.
00:48:47
But from March until September, we're going to be a good team.
00:48:52
And sometimes that's that's that's kind of all you really need.
00:48:55
Yeah, because eventually, eventually you'll get over the hump, you get the championships.
00:49:00
But if you're just constantly put yourself in a position where your team is drafting
00:49:05
in the top five, then you might not be able to get over, especially if you don't have
00:49:11
a GM that's aggressive.
00:49:13
Like I said, the Falcons, I don't know why they've been trying to explain this Michael
00:49:18
Pinnock pick instead of just being like, you know what?
00:49:23
He just was there.
00:49:24
He was there.
00:49:25
So we took him.
00:49:27
Yeah.
00:49:28
So PSA out there for America, if you want to be a podcaster, do not move to Texas unless
00:49:40
you just have some kind of I.T. degree and you set up your own fibers and you set up
00:49:45
your own underground railroad or some shit because, you know, like, you know, AT&T ain't
00:49:54
shit, you know, and shout out, you know, prayers out there up in Dallas.
00:49:59
You know, I saw the 500 K without power because every time it rains or storms here, you know,
00:50:07
nothing works ever again.
00:50:08
Yeah, I got to start getting your power lines on the ground.
00:50:11
I think Utah was big was probably one of the first places I saw stateside that was like
00:50:15
that.
00:50:16
My internet is fiber optic.
00:50:17
So like all the cables are on the ground.
00:50:19
Yeah, there's still Comcast.
00:50:21
And when it rains, like I'm out in the country.
00:50:23
So when it rains or snows too hard and the trees fall on the lines, Comcast is out there
00:50:28
fixing their boxes.
00:50:29
But like I said, Verizon, the boxes are on the ground.
00:50:32
All the cables are underneath.
00:50:34
All right.
00:50:35
So we got a six point game.
00:50:36
I'm at 205 Minnesota trying to keep hope alive.
00:50:41
But for the NFL purposes of this conversation.
00:50:43
Yeah, I talked about the Falcons while you're away.
00:50:46
Right.
00:50:47
I saw that.
00:50:48
I started reviewing the Tennessee Titans.
00:50:52
This was the team that I chose.
00:50:54
And it's kind of funny that I decided to choose this team.
00:50:57
What a shot at because I am big on the Titans this year.
00:51:03
You know, I like the fact that they went out and got my God, Luca.
00:51:08
Oh, no, no, no, no.
00:51:10
I'm behind you.
00:51:11
I'm like five seconds behind you.
00:51:14
But you'll know it.
00:51:18
You'll know it when you see it.
00:51:19
I see it.
00:51:20
Yes.
00:51:21
And it's the same.
00:51:22
It's the same complaint as make every single they were supposed to be doing away with.
00:51:26
They were supposed to call that they're supposed to call that on the offensive player.
00:51:30
The defensive players allowed to play defense.
00:51:33
You can't lean into him, especially he didn't even try to shoot.
00:51:36
He literally read.
00:51:37
Look, I didn't even know.
00:51:39
I didn't even know that cat cries this much like not.
00:51:42
And I don't mean I don't mean like wine.
00:51:45
I just mean like literally cry like when doves cry.
00:51:49
That's his new name.
00:51:51
But I give him that because that's they they because who's Kobe was big on doing that.
00:51:57
That was the Kobe move because Kobe and the young does it a lot.
00:52:01
Trey Young Trey Young was one of the guys that would slow up the dribble him and Chris
00:52:05
Paul and they would and that they started calling that on the offensive player.
00:52:08
But it seems like in the playoffs they don't call it.
00:52:10
This was clearly that exact play.
00:52:13
I know that they need to review.
00:52:16
It's ridiculous.
00:52:17
All right.
00:52:18
So so I was talking about the Tennessee Titans.
00:52:20
So one thing that I thought about this season and I know Mr. Logic will go to disagree with
00:52:26
me already.
00:52:27
But but but I'm but I'm gonna say it anyway.
00:52:31
So of course you know Tennessee got their offensive lineman in the first round of the
00:52:35
draft this year.
00:52:37
You know they you know yeah it is smart.
00:52:40
Protect your quarterback.
00:52:41
But I was thinking I was thinking you know why not take a page out of the Cincinnati
00:52:51
Bengals book when they had the choice of go offensive lineman or grab Jamar Chase.
00:52:59
You know Tennessee you know why not trade up Malik neighbors and you know fill that
00:53:07
in with DeAndre Hopkins with Calvin Ridley which would give you the Chicago Bear model
00:53:14
because they had D.J. Moore and Kenan Allen already and they drafted Roma Dunze.
00:53:19
So you know because this this draft was heavy on lineman you know.
00:53:23
So why not.
00:53:25
You know you could pick up a lineman in free agency because that lineman has experience
00:53:29
already like whatever like there's multiple ways.
00:53:32
I'm not going to kill him too much for that but it was just something that I had thought
00:53:35
about.
00:53:36
But what I am going to kill them for.
00:53:38
I definitely would.
00:53:40
The Jamar Chase pick made sense because Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase were teammates and
00:53:45
they had like the most electrifying offensive run in college football history.
00:53:51
That's why that made sense.
00:53:52
That's why I was like right.
00:53:53
I don't think even if there was a wide receiver if that wide receiver is from USC the USC
00:54:00
and not LSU I don't think I think they would have gone with Peneasoole in that spot.
00:54:05
But the fact that they had that that bond Tennessee I think Tennessee made a wise move
00:54:10
by taking the I think their offseason has been legit.
00:54:13
Yeah their office their office is their their conference is winnable.
00:54:17
If we'll never be young.
00:54:19
Yeah if we'll never can hit a stride in year two because you know we talked about it.
00:54:23
He went for touchdowns in his first game against the Falcons the rest of the season.
00:54:28
He had one touchdown and four interceptions.
00:54:31
So if he can take a stride this year.
00:54:34
I showed you the line it should have got a pass rusher.
00:54:37
They could be in the wild card battle.
00:54:39
But but I wanted to go back because like I said you know with the Wizards I went back
00:54:42
to like 2010 or so.
00:54:44
So taking it back taking it back.
00:54:47
So where I landed on Tennessee was it's just quarterback.
00:54:53
They literally just can't get the quarterback right.
00:54:55
Now of course they had Steve McNair back in the day the late great Steve McNair you know
00:55:00
but then in 2006 was that not I wasn't I wasn't Jake locker.
00:55:10
No that's later I would get to that.
00:55:13
That was Vince Young.
00:55:16
You know that's a good pick maybe you know what I mean.
00:55:21
But I was able to get Jay Cutler eight picks later and you know so Vince Young is that
00:55:29
quintessential quarterback of why to five hates quarterback record because they were
00:55:38
sitting up here winning these games 13 to 10 16 to 7 and all I heard was oh this young
00:55:45
is such a winner.
00:55:46
Vince Young just knows how to come through in the clutch.
00:55:49
No he don't.
00:55:50
They had a good defense.
00:55:53
Yo he's clutch.
00:55:54
Yo he was clutch.
00:55:56
Was the on Kirsten's record.
00:55:59
No exactly.
00:56:01
You know says you know stop with the quarterback record.
00:56:03
That's message number one.
00:56:05
The Mr. Logicals point 2011 Jake locker now I remember that was a shock.
00:56:11
I was shocked when he went because he went eight.
00:56:14
I'm not saying that there was a better quarterback option but here's some people that were available
00:56:23
in that draft.
00:56:25
JJ Watt.
00:56:29
Colin Kaepernick.
00:56:32
Andy Dalton.
00:56:33
The Red Rocket.
00:56:35
The Red Rocket who you know laughs if you will.
00:56:38
But Andy Dalton had a top notch NFL career and that those early Cincinnati Andy Dalton
00:56:44
AJ Green days people forgot.
00:56:47
They did forget people forgot about Andy was on Andy was on that thing.
00:56:51
But like I said we the same thing with like we're talking about Colin Sexton.
00:56:54
It's just you keep going to these different teams and you keep going into places where
00:56:59
people don't love you like people.
00:57:01
Come on Conley.
00:57:03
People didn't bring you in.
00:57:04
So it's like okay that's that's the problem is like these people got to bring you in.
00:57:12
Stop stop stop stop stop.
00:57:14
No son.
00:57:16
Did that go in?
00:57:20
Did that I just saw the flailing.
00:57:25
Get out of here.
00:57:28
Get out of here.
00:57:30
Hold on.
00:57:32
That's not even a foul.
00:57:33
That's not even a foul.
00:57:34
That's why I'm laughing.
00:57:35
That's why I'm laughing.
00:57:36
Literally no one touched him.
00:57:37
All right now back to this back to come on man.
00:57:48
I love I love doing this show live now because like people can see come on now.
00:57:55
So all right.
00:57:56
So Minnesota is up by hold on.
00:57:59
I'm behind you.
00:58:01
Oh okay.
00:58:02
All right.
00:58:03
Mr. Lodge will do his thing.
00:58:04
All right.
00:58:05
So anyway so you know 2017 Tennessee picks up this is this is a few draft picks from
00:58:11
the same draft.
00:58:12
Okay.
00:58:13
Corey Davis, Dory Jackson, Tywan Taylor and John Smith.
00:58:19
So that was all solid picks.
00:58:22
Those are solid picks that I don't even think signed a second contract with the Titans.
00:58:27
They probably fired a coach in between.
00:58:29
You know and then 2019 of course they did great.
00:58:33
They went and got AJ Brown but also in 2019 that's where my beef comes with them and I
00:58:41
know Mr. Lodge will go and disagree with me on this but that was the year they went out
00:58:45
and got the former wide receiver turned quarterback Ryan Tannehill.
00:58:50
Ryan Tannehill was your top 12 quarterback.
00:58:55
You know what you know what I saw this movie before twice.
00:59:00
It was called Alex Smith loses his job to Colin Kaepernick.
00:59:04
Alex Smith loses his job to Patrick Mahomes.
00:59:06
So you'd like to say don't bring me.
00:59:10
He didn't lose.
00:59:11
I know.
00:59:12
I know.
00:59:13
They drafted they made the playoffs.
00:59:16
I think they know the division that year.
00:59:17
Alex Smith made the playoffs too.
00:59:20
You know what I mean.
00:59:21
I'm talking about you know you like to say don't bring talent.
00:59:24
You like to say don't bring feelings to a fat fight.
00:59:27
I like to say don't bring a BB gun to the wild wild west.
00:59:33
What were you going to do at quarterback like there's only so well really good quarterback.
00:59:37
I will tell you about you.
00:59:40
I will tell you is eight top tier quarterbacks.
00:59:44
Well four top tier.
00:59:46
Well yeah four top tier will be four top tier for second tier and the rest of them are interchangeable.
00:59:52
I heard.
00:59:53
Okay.
00:59:54
I will tell you and obviously some of this is hindsight.
00:59:58
You know what I mean because at the moment of the draft you feel one way and then it
01:00:03
plays out and you have to you know as Mr. Logical say my opinion changes as the facts
01:00:09
change.
01:00:10
Yes.
01:00:11
So so so the year so the year after they got Tannahill Jordan Love was in that draft at
01:00:17
26 Jalen hurts at 53.
01:00:21
So Jalen hurts to me I will use him because Jordan Love nobody really saw that coming.
01:00:27
We thought Jalen hurts was a winner or had the right attitude that could come in galvanize
01:00:32
a locker room.
01:00:33
So I'll stick with Jalen hurts.
01:00:34
I'll leave Jordan Love out of it.
01:00:37
But you know that was your perfect quarterback to fall under Brian Tannahill mentorship.
01:00:44
He wasn't a first round.
01:00:45
So you're saying they should have had they should have drafted one of these guys to sit
01:00:50
behind Tannahill after they signed Tannahill.
01:00:52
You said they should have waited.
01:00:54
Yes.
01:00:55
No I'm saying like the sit behind Tannahill for you because Ryan Tannahill regardless
01:00:59
of how we feel about him is not the long term answer.
01:01:02
Like if I like that would have been a you would have been using the first round pick
01:01:05
or a second round pick a year after you signed a guy like I understand that quarterback is
01:01:13
important because if you have a terrible one it could sink your organization.
01:01:17
But if you have too many IE what you're probably going to allude to here in a second with having
01:01:24
Will Levis Tannahill and Malik Willis all like getting Malik Willis and Will Levinson
01:01:29
back to back drafts did not help them.
01:01:32
No I wasn't going to say I wasn't going to bring that up.
01:01:34
That's a good point though.
01:01:35
I wasn't going to bring that up.
01:01:37
What I was going to say what I was going to say is the Tennessee Titans remind me of the
01:01:43
city of San Antonio.
01:01:46
Elaborate their last GM had no vision.
01:01:50
So when I look at San Antonio for example you know there's 1.5 million people here.
01:01:56
There was a point in time where there was probably 90 people here and they didn't
01:02:01
track their metrics or analytics to see look at how many people are moving in the city.
01:02:07
Maybe we should build some roads.
01:02:09
Maybe we should expand some highways.
01:02:11
So when I look at the Tennessee Titans they had no vision for the future from the standpoint
01:02:17
of you saw it happening around you.
01:02:21
You know Patrick Mahomes came in.
01:02:23
Deshaun Watson came in.
01:02:25
Joe Burrow came in.
01:02:27
You know Lamar Jackson came in.
01:02:29
Tua came in.
01:02:30
I don't know if I said Herbert but I'll say it again.
01:02:33
He came in.
01:02:34
Trevor Lawrence came in.
01:02:35
You know Josh Allen came in.
01:02:38
And I'm bringing Ryan Tannahill to the fight.
01:02:43
You know you can't win like this.
01:02:45
And speaking of winning congratulations to the Minnesota Timberwolves.
01:02:50
This point two seconds back and they put them back on the floor.
01:02:53
I disagree with that point.
01:02:55
I know you do.
01:02:56
Because I think you're using the results to tear down because sometimes as simply as you
01:03:08
have to get the right fit at quarterback.
01:03:11
Derrick Henry ran for 2000 yards with Tannahill at quarterback.
01:03:15
And Tannahill was a pro bowler because the play action pass off of that.
01:03:20
Where they messed up was.
01:03:21
Now imagine you had a good quarterback.
01:03:23
No think about it.
01:03:24
You had a good quarterback.
01:03:25
You trade away AJ Brown to Philadelphia and you thought I'm going to just go get this
01:03:30
kid from Arkansas who's built like AJ Brown and he was going to replace him.
01:03:35
That's where they made the mistake.
01:03:36
The mistake wasn't at quarterback.
01:03:37
I was going to get into that.
01:03:38
That was my next point.
01:03:39
Thank you very much.
01:03:40
That's why we have this show.
01:03:41
That was the problem.
01:03:42
The problem I think sometimes we use.
01:03:47
I think people are too obsessed.
01:03:49
Like you said quarterback wins.
01:03:51
I think people are too obsessed with thinking that it's apples and apples when it comes
01:03:56
to quarterback.
01:03:57
Like oh you could have got this guy if you waited like that's I understand.
01:04:02
If you have a Ryan Tannahill.
01:04:03
He isn't once again there's only four guys that are ultra elite in the league no matter
01:04:12
how much we try to put guys in there.
01:04:14
Brock Purdy is a good quarterback.
01:04:16
His arm talent is nowhere near what Josh Allen does and when he moves around in the pocket
01:04:21
he can't move like Lamar.
01:04:23
Those guys are elite.
01:04:24
Obviously Mahomes is elite.
01:04:27
There's only a select few guys.
01:04:29
I think people look at these merger bowls and think like oh the quarterback is we got
01:04:33
to get the quarterback right.
01:04:35
You don't need to get an elite quarterback.
01:04:38
You have to get the quarterback right.
01:04:40
I think Tennessee had the quarterback right and they never felt like they had the quarterback
01:04:45
right and they kept treating him like he wasn't the right guy because the defense is out there
01:04:50
too.
01:04:51
The defense gives up points in a playoff game too.
01:04:53
So if you got to win a playoff game 20 to 17 so be it.
01:04:57
You just got to keep the other team under 20 points.
01:04:59
You can't give up the final drive.
01:05:01
I'm not saying that I need Peyton Manning under center.
01:05:05
What I'm saying is I need a quarterback that needs to be able to make a play without me
01:05:11
giving him 15 possessions.
01:05:14
Yeah but I need a quarterback that I don't want my quarterback looking over his shoulder
01:05:19
every single game or every single press conference wondering why he's a.
01:05:24
Which is my point they shouldn't have got him in the first place.
01:05:28
I think he did well in Miami.
01:05:30
I think he did well in Tennessee.
01:05:32
It just doesn't always work out.
01:05:35
How many quarterbacks are in the league right now?
01:05:39
How many quarter if you're starting a team you get a new team moving to San Antonio you
01:05:43
get to pick any quarterback right from outside of the top four.
01:05:50
So we get the top four Mahomes that guy's off the limits Borough Allen Jackson.
01:05:57
Okay who you taking?
01:06:01
You're probably going to take you're probably going to end up somewhere between Dakota.
01:06:07
Okay maybe depending on how strongly Josh Allen.
01:06:15
No he's in that top.
01:06:17
Oh I'm sorry I'm sorry.
01:06:18
So depending on how you feel about because you know you got to project a little bit.
01:06:25
So depending on how you feel about Herbert and Lawrence you know that's a conversation
01:06:31
maybe Kyle O'Mary.
01:06:33
Okay I would say I take Jared.
01:06:35
I wouldn't take Tana Hill over oh I forgot about golf I wouldn't take Tana Hill over
01:06:38
any of those dudes that I just named in the view that you named.
01:06:42
So Jared golf Jordan love CJ Stroud.
01:06:48
No I take a 10 a hill over any of them.
01:06:50
Oh I get to my point and give me another guy I say two of those four.
01:06:58
So the four that I named and the four that you name what's the gap between those guys
01:07:04
is pretty close.
01:07:06
Like from each other like from each other like those guys are Lawrence Herbert to CJ
01:07:13
Stroud Jared golf George those guys are pretty much in this same like grouping.
01:07:19
It's not that far apart even though it's eight guys.
01:07:22
I think Tana Hill was in that kind of pot when he was available.
01:07:27
So you can win games or two or you can win a lot.
01:07:30
Jared golf was almost in the Super Bowl if they kick field goals.
01:07:33
It's just a matter of I felt as if he was all because they didn't draft him and there
01:07:42
was moving pieces.
01:07:44
GM's potentially get their jobs on the line coaches jobs on the line.
01:07:50
I don't think Vrebro wanted any either one of these quarterbacks when he got hired on.
01:07:55
So it just was like it was constant bickering that we all saw play out publicly.
01:08:01
I think that was a downfall of the right because he was definitely a better option than Will
01:08:04
Levis.
01:08:05
He was better option Malik Willis but they treated him like he wasn't.
01:08:12
Well I mean if we're looking at it from the standpoint of Malik Willis was what a third
01:08:17
round draft pick.
01:08:18
But they didn't even need him.
01:08:21
Right right right right.
01:08:22
He wasn't ready.
01:08:23
They didn't need him anyway.
01:08:25
He was the better option.
01:08:26
You know what I mean?
01:08:27
But Will Levis I'm not so sure because you know the problem with a team like Tennessee
01:08:33
is that they convince themselves that they're right there.
01:08:39
Like you know we're a bounce away here or there.
01:08:42
So they don't necessarily take the steps necessary to improve their because some teams like you
01:08:48
talked about the Clippers some teams overreact and try to go get a star.
01:08:53
You know saying some teams like the Titans are content with where they are and they don't
01:08:59
take the move that they might need.
01:09:02
I think that next step I think the marriage between the GM and the coach is evident because
01:09:07
Mike Ramos shouldn't have been fired.
01:09:09
Correct I do agree.
01:09:11
I don't think that that was a union and I think Tannehill because he wasn't drafted
01:09:16
by these guys just was a byproduct of it.
01:09:18
Will Levis is going to be in that same boat if he doesn't perform this year.
01:09:24
And it's going to be the same thing.
01:09:25
It's not about like picking the wrong quarterback.
01:09:28
It's just you got to marry all of it together.
01:09:31
Sometimes you might even need to say you know what if I'm gonna get a new quarterback a
01:09:35
new head coach I might as well move the GM to let me get guys in here or maybe the guy
01:09:43
that the GM has really wanted for years like you got the GM in there right now.
01:09:47
I think he's from the guy from he came from San Francisco.
01:09:51
If there's a coach on the San Francisco staff that he really wanted for years and Callahan
01:09:55
doesn't work out then you let him go get his guy like you know I wanted this guy for years.
01:10:01
I've been watching him he's developed whatever position coach on the 49ers then you bring
01:10:07
him in and then you bring another coach.
01:10:09
But it just feels like a lot of these teams like the like I talk about the Broncos the
01:10:16
old regime paid Russell Wilson and then the new group ownership group bought the team
01:10:23
with him.
01:10:24
Yeah he got stuck with him.
01:10:25
So they basically shafted them with this 265 million dollar bill on their way out and they
01:10:31
took 4.5 billion with them.
01:10:34
So that was a problem there.
01:10:36
But like I said with Tennessee like I think they're moving along but like I don't know
01:10:41
I just I just I'm sure like Tannehill always got a raw deal because I think he made the
01:10:45
same mistakes as every other quarterback.
01:10:48
Burrow doesn't like Joe Burrow doesn't have a great you know playoff run.
01:10:52
He has nine touchdowns and like seven playoff games.
01:10:55
I mean so it's like it's not like these all these guys just going in the playoffs lighten
01:10:59
it up.
01:11:00
We see Justin Herbert blow a 27 point lead.
01:11:04
And then in that same game.
01:11:07
Trevor Lawrence threw four picks.
01:11:09
So it's not always just this guy is that much better.
01:11:13
I just I feel like they're I think the group of eight.
01:11:15
No I just never like.
01:11:17
We're probably the only people outside of Tennessee having a Tennessee tights conversation
01:11:22
which is incredible.
01:11:23
That's why I love you.
01:11:24
Yeah.
01:11:25
Yeah.
01:11:26
You know what I mean.
01:11:27
This is what we do.
01:11:28
Like it would have been easy for me to say New York Giants you know or New York you brought
01:11:32
up like did you pick the Jets when we were in our pre-meeting.
01:11:35
Did you pick the Jets?
01:11:36
Because that would have been easy to do.
01:11:38
It's easy to do.
01:11:39
Yeah.
01:11:40
You know what I mean.
01:11:41
Whereas like with Tennessee.
01:11:42
Because they never get the see the Jets never get the quarterback right.
01:11:46
They don't have the right fit.
01:11:48
They don't have the right.
01:11:51
As long as I've been alive realistically my 40 damn near 43 years I don't think they've
01:11:59
ever gotten the quarterback right.
01:12:00
How can the same team have the butt fumble and Zach Wilson.
01:12:05
Yo it's it's just a gobsmacked.
01:12:10
Yo who is the best quarterback of our lifetime.
01:12:13
Do I got to go back to like Brian.
01:12:16
We both said it is fact.
01:12:18
That's it.
01:12:19
I'm thinking about this now like you got old Vinnie Testa Verde maybe no.
01:12:26
But yeah they've literally gotten it wrong.
01:12:28
Like so many organizations have gotten it wrong.
01:12:30
Yeah.
01:12:31
To the point like you know what that's like a question right.
01:12:34
Like who's the best Jets quarterback.
01:12:36
I mean really you got Chad Pennington.
01:12:41
He didn't have the arm to throw the ball next to the Hudson.
01:12:47
Like you can't have a guy with a water water pistol arm trying to throw the ball at a before
01:12:52
was MetLife.
01:12:53
It was the metal lands.
01:12:54
We could have easily picked on the Bears.
01:12:57
The Bears the same thing.
01:12:58
The Bears haven't had a quarterback though for 30 30 touchdowns or 3800 yards like that.
01:13:08
You know Dan Campbell fixed Detroit or else we could have used them.
01:13:12
You know so there's there's plenty of ineptness.
01:13:15
I mean in a few years are we going to be having the same car.
01:13:19
You know as we celebrate like our six year anniversary or something are we going to be
01:13:23
talking about the Arizona Cardinals.
01:13:26
The Cardinals paying Calamari too early but they did get they got them of a bonafide weapon.
01:13:34
Yeah potential generational talent.
01:13:37
So they did make that move.
01:13:39
Like I said they made my god you know to y'all.
01:13:44
Yeah.
01:13:45
But don't worry he'll go right back because Atlanta won't throw in the ball.
01:13:51
Yeah so it's the jet like I said the Jets are like the Jets never get the quarterback
01:13:57
right.
01:13:58
The Giants haven't gotten a quarterback right since Eli because I mean to be fair like Dale
01:14:05
Jones is pretty much the first quarterback since Eli.
01:14:11
Yeah I guess so.
01:14:12
Because they had you know on the right you know yeah in the roster so they got then yes
01:14:19
you got the Jets.
01:14:21
The Colts have been struggling since Peyton Manning Andrew Luck.
01:14:25
But they've still made playoffs though and been like they've been a factor you know they
01:14:31
might not have been close.
01:14:32
Houston was running through the quarterbacks like they were swiping on Tinder for a while
01:14:37
too and I think they might have landed on something.
01:14:40
San Francisco was going through a lot of running those quarterbacks but that was mainly because
01:14:43
of injury.
01:14:44
Jacksonville had a good little run with quarterbacks.
01:14:47
Yeah hopefully but not have been in conversation.
01:14:50
My age has been searching from a quarterback since Dan Marino.
01:14:52
I think I like to I think the problem is the owners the owners greed is gonna be their
01:15:01
overall downfall and that we talk about in competency.
01:15:04
I think a lot of the teams or we know the owners names tend to make the most mistakes
01:15:11
because like we talk about the referees.
01:15:13
If I know the referees name you're too involved in the game.
01:15:17
Or you know what it would have been easy for us to talk about Dallas.
01:15:22
I don't think Dallas is incompetent I think Dallas is just they're just too.
01:15:28
Well this this off season like their office to their nepotism is their problem.
01:15:34
I think it's the same thing in with the Jets because I think the Jets are like family owned.
01:15:38
I think they have a lot of family ownership people at the top.
01:15:42
But this off season is a perfect example for the Cowboys like you know because I mean realistically
01:15:49
you know you got for you know just just spitballing going off of how last season ended.
01:15:55
You know you have San Francisco in Detroit you know Jordan Love came up in there and
01:16:00
did the two step on him.
01:16:02
But you know but I think for the most part people believed with the D on the end pause
01:16:08
that Dallas is better than was better than Green Bay.
01:16:13
You know Green Bay was better on that day but Dallas was the better team you know but
01:16:19
as we look around you know these teams have done things you know Detroit has went out
01:16:26
and got another DB you know another Bama DB you know Green Bay paid Jordan Love so we'll
01:16:34
see what happens there you know but Dallas literally.
01:16:37
Oh did they pick up his fifth year option or they.
01:16:40
Yeah yeah yeah I think they extended them or yeah I don't think it was like 200 million
01:16:46
or something.
01:16:47
Jordan Love he didn't get paid yet.
01:16:48
I thought he did.
01:16:50
I think Jerry Goff got paid.
01:16:52
I think Jerry Goff definitely got paid.
01:16:54
Yeah he definitely got paid.
01:16:55
I think that was recent.
01:16:56
But Jordan Love I thought I heard.
01:16:58
Let's see.
01:17:01
I think they're waiting for Trevor Lawrence.
01:17:06
Maybe it was just on the table then that's what it was.
01:17:09
Yeah these owners are these owners are going to hurt themselves because the salary cap
01:17:15
could be higher and you could have more players.
01:17:19
So Jordan Love is going to be up at the same time that Dakota could get 60 million.
01:17:29
I don't think he's going to get 60.
01:17:30
No no no I know but I'm just saying like I don't even I don't even think that with a
01:17:34
straight face his agent can go in and ask for 60 million.
01:17:39
I think if he asked for 60 million from Dallas it's just because the way they're treating
01:17:44
us all season now but once again it's it's nepotism and partly incompetence because I
01:17:51
don't think I've heard anyone mention this but the last two quarterbacks are kind of
01:17:56
in this this position.
01:17:59
Well even three.
01:18:00
So we'll go Lamar, Dakota with his first deal and Kurt Cousins.
01:18:05
All of them got injured in the last year of their deal and you had to pay them high end
01:18:15
market money for the following season.
01:18:19
Well Kurt Cousins got his from another team but then Minnesota they essentially just allowed
01:18:25
themselves to start over at quarterback.
01:18:27
They brought in Sam Darnold who's literally been all over the league playing mediocre
01:18:31
football.
01:18:32
Right.
01:18:33
So someone has to be the adult in the room but if you look at Lamar Lamar played his
01:18:39
last year's deal and then he asked for a trade and everything went sideways and he missed
01:18:44
the last few games missed the playoff game.
01:18:47
They still had to pay him.
01:18:49
You had to pay him 250 million.
01:18:53
Then that's the year that broke his ankle.
01:18:57
That was the final year's franchise and after you franchise him twice knowing you couldn't
01:19:01
do it again when you could have paid they could have paid that 28 million dollars.
01:19:09
Yup.
01:19:10
And by the time his deal was on the table it was over 40 because some I think my home's
01:19:17
got 45.
01:19:18
And that's what I'm saying.
01:19:19
That's why I said like we probably could have brought up Dallas.
01:19:21
It's to a much lesser degree.
01:19:23
Yeah but now they're doing the same thing now.
01:19:25
Yeah they're doing the same thing all over again.
01:19:27
So it's not.
01:19:28
It's not three years 150 just go three years 150 125 guaranteed.
01:19:34
Yes it's not.
01:19:35
One 20.
01:19:36
Yes but the reason I brought them up is just because of how popular they are and how much
01:19:42
of a big topic of conversation they are.
01:19:45
So that's why I was saying it would have been easy to talk about them.
01:19:49
You know.
01:19:50
So we'll see.
01:19:51
You know I mean there's teams that get it right like Green Bay gets it right.
01:19:56
I think drafting Jordan Love when Aaron Rodgers was kind of on it what they thought they had
01:20:00
no reason to draft Jordan Love but they saw the vision they saw.
01:20:05
But what that they had already done that before they'd done it to where it worked.
01:20:09
They had right.
01:20:10
Right.
01:20:11
They drafted Aaron Rodgers.
01:20:12
Right.
01:20:13
So Aaron was on the decline.
01:20:15
I know that people try to compare to Pinnix cousin things like it's not the same thing
01:20:18
in all.
01:20:19
It's not the same thing.
01:20:20
It's not even close.
01:20:21
It's apples and kumquats.
01:20:23
So it's like you draft Jordan Love and if you get two more years out of Aaron that's
01:20:29
perfect for a quarterback.
01:20:32
But if you thought you were going to get five more years out Aaron it would have been dumb
01:20:36
to take Jordan Love.
01:20:37
Right.
01:20:38
So I think they said I think they set themselves up even though it might have pissed Aaron
01:20:41
off it pissed him off to the point where he went back to back in the piece.
01:20:44
Right.
01:20:45
Well I mean it's just like the Andrew Luck thing.
01:20:46
You know like the Colts didn't know that Peyton Manning was going to come back from this neck
01:20:51
injury and you do what he did.
01:20:53
So I mean they definitely came over super quick though like they did.
01:20:57
But what we saw he only had two to three years left.
01:21:01
Yeah.
01:21:02
It'll be Andrew Luck just got battered and said no moss.
01:21:08
Yeah I can't believe he retired during the game.
01:21:10
I still was one of the craziest moments.
01:21:12
No preseason game.
01:21:14
You know what I mean.
01:21:15
So like it was the same thing where some teams just have vision where to the naked eye and
01:21:22
to the novice if you will we might sit back and say yo what are they thinking.
01:21:28
You know but it says the work.
01:21:31
I think I think football fans and people who like football we might not fully grasp all
01:21:39
the nuance of the draft room and the salary cap.
01:21:44
And yeah.
01:21:47
But if I'm a Kansas City fan they won the Super Bowl but they threw a lot of drag routes
01:21:56
and bubble screens.
01:21:59
I would have liked if they would have gotten I think they would have probably been better
01:22:03
off getting Keon Coleman.
01:22:05
I agree.
01:22:07
Versus worthy.
01:22:08
I guess I was talking that ever since the draft when the draft order was set I was like
01:22:12
yo Kansas City has to get Keon Coleman.
01:22:16
Because worthy and Hollywood Brown you might think is oh this is going to be so great but
01:22:22
you had that with Kaderrius Tony and McCall Hartman last year and no one went deep.
01:22:30
Like I don't remember I don't recall seeing too many go routes for Kaderrius Tony.
01:22:35
Well I do believe that Hollywood's going to go deep.
01:22:38
You know that seems to be his niche if you will.
01:22:43
We'll see what Xavier does.
01:22:44
I think they're going to try to deploy him in Tyreek Hill type ways.
01:22:48
Yeah but like I said if you're a fan of the Chiefs you can see that.
01:22:51
So if they would have gotten if they would have drafted trade up and they would have
01:22:56
drafted a linebacker you're like I guess this linebacker will work but we really could have
01:23:00
used a wide receiver.
01:23:02
So when you see a team like when the Giants took Daniel Jones 6 when they had 6 and 17
01:23:10
like no one else was coming to get Daniel Jones.
01:23:11
So like you could have got the best player available at 6 and still gotten Daniel Jones
01:23:15
at 17 or used 17 to move up if you heard somebody might want him.
01:23:20
I always wonder who San Francisco thought was going to take Trey Lance.
01:23:30
I think about who Chicago thought was going to take Trubisky.
01:23:34
They traded from 3 to 2.
01:23:39
They gave up draft capital and San Francisco took Solomon like I think Solomon Wilcox or
01:23:47
something like that.
01:23:48
Like they took a defensive tackle at 3 that they were going to take at 2.
01:23:54
Like you can just sat at 3 and not give them any draft capital.
01:23:58
Yeah the Trey Lance thing like to me I don't know like that's going to go down one of those
01:24:02
things is like because I was saying it that whole time because everyone was saying it's
01:24:06
Mac Jones.
01:24:07
I'm like no one in 2021 NFL is going to trade up to get a statue like Mac Jones.
01:24:15
So here you go.
01:24:16
You don't have a draft capital.
01:24:17
I was like they could have just gotten Justin Fields.
01:24:19
Yeah so let's do this real quick and then we'll get out of here.
01:24:23
Alright so Trubisky right?
01:24:26
Correct.
01:24:27
So he went number 2.
01:24:30
Number 3 San Francisco took Solomon Thomas.
01:24:32
Yes Solomon Thomas.
01:24:34
Number 4 Jacksonville took Farnett.
01:24:38
Number 5 Tennessee took Corey Davis which was one of my bad picks that they you know
01:24:45
getting him at number 5.
01:24:48
Number 6 the Jets took Jamal Adams.
01:24:51
That was a good pick.
01:24:52
Mike Williams went 7 to the Chargers.
01:24:55
McAfee went 8.
01:24:59
John Ross went 9.
01:25:02
Because of the 40 time.
01:25:03
Yep my homes went 10.
01:25:07
Latimore went 11 to the Saints.
01:25:10
LeSean went 12.
01:25:13
Hassan Reddick went 13 to the Cardinals.
01:25:15
Derek Barnett went 14.
01:25:17
Malik Hooker 15.
01:25:20
I'm not seeing the spot where Trubisky I'm not seeing it.
01:25:28
As far as like that's the thing Chicago moved up from 3 to 2.
01:25:33
Right.
01:25:34
They were at 3.
01:25:35
So San Francisco wasn't going to take him.
01:25:38
Wasn't going to take him.
01:25:39
So unless they had intel they had to I'm going to give them a bit of a doubt.
01:25:44
They had to have had some kind of intel.
01:25:48
If San Francisco bluffed them like they had to have some kind of intel.
01:25:52
Because I look at like okay so if we think about it before we get out of here because
01:25:57
I pondered it when it happened.
01:26:03
The Sean went 12.
01:26:05
That's where Houston was at right.
01:26:07
Yes.
01:26:09
Kansas City traded up to 10 from wherever they were.
01:26:13
They were and of course they traded with Buffalo.
01:26:17
That was where they were the only so they traded up for a quarterback.
01:26:22
They were the only team in that first round I traded up for a quarterback correct.
01:26:27
Why me Chicago.
01:26:28
No no I'm just saying that Chicago's already at 3 Chicago's already yeah Kansas City came
01:26:35
from 27 to 10 to get my homes.
01:26:40
So and then Watson just went 12.
01:26:44
I don't think anybody else in the league was looking for quarterbacks if no one moved up.
01:26:51
It wasn't a crazy scramble to get in the top 10 by multiple teams to get Watson who had
01:26:57
just come off a national championship.
01:26:58
I know he had the ACL injury but he just won national championship just beat Alabama and
01:27:03
I don't think anyone really knew about my homes.
01:27:04
I remember the shootout he had with Baker Mayfield Texas Tech versus Oklahoma.
01:27:10
Maybe that was a game that sold some scouts.
01:27:12
I just thought the game was crazy because it was like 1600 yards offense or some crazy
01:27:16
number like that.
01:27:18
But I don't know anybody else that's moving from wherever they were to to two and that's
01:27:25
how and that's I remember when it happened I'm like why I would have just let them take
01:27:31
because I was thinking like Deshaun Watson I would have taken Deshaun Watson anyway just
01:27:34
because I seen him play on the big stage back to back years and it was against Alabama.
01:27:42
He won a national championship.
01:27:43
I'm like I'm taking that guy over anybody else over a guy who only had one year so I'm
01:27:48
taking Deshaun Watson anyway.
01:27:51
So if I'm Chicago I'm like I'm sitting back like listen if someone jumped the two to get
01:27:55
Trebysky and my fallback is the guy who just won a national championship.
01:28:00
So be it.
01:28:01
I think I'm good.
01:28:02
I think I'm doing all right.
01:28:03
I think I can make that work and if he doesn't people like well I mean you can't blame them
01:28:09
for taking a 6-3 elusive quarterback that just beat Alabama the national championship
01:28:14
game.
01:28:15
It just didn't work out.
01:28:16
Right.
01:28:17
But like jumping to get Trebysky that's how everybody got fired.
01:28:21
Right.
01:28:22
Incompetence.
01:28:23
There you have it.
01:28:24
So that was our first episode of case studies studies.
01:28:28
You know what I'm saying.
01:28:29
So expect more in the future.
01:28:31
To take your ideas if you have some.
01:28:34
Yeah you know saying get those over to us you know say we'll break it down.
01:28:38
You see we try to get into the weeds you know you know to try to figure this stuff out.
01:28:46
But he is the even kill.
01:28:50
You know he is the one and only.
01:28:54
You know Air Force veteran dedicated father.
01:28:59
You know saying play golf the right way.
01:29:06
You know don't make me hit you with a 2-2.
01:29:09
Mr. Logical and I am to five we will see you on Thursday you know and guess what we will
01:29:17
see the Minnesota Timberwolves on Thursday because they kept it alive just like the NBA
01:29:24
wanted.
01:29:25
We're going back to charge a baby back to charge a and Minneapolis for game five.
01:29:31
So we'll see if the.
01:29:32
Saturday back in Dallas.
01:29:34
Yeah we'll see if the wolves can get us talking how to sell that's got us talking last year.
01:29:39
So we'll see how that goes.
01:29:41
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01:29:47
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