MANIFEST DESTINY?

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[00:01:18] Let's get to it. Like, review, subscribe, share, rate, do all the free things. Do all the good things. So, Mr. Logical, we got some awards to hand out, but first, we got to do some cleanup of inventory here. So, there's been a bunch of coaching movement in the NFL today in the last couple of days.

[00:01:44] So, taking it from the top, Ben Johnson, offensive coordinator from the Lions, new head coach of the Chicago Bears. Liam Cohen, with all the drama in the world, is now the head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars. He's hired, like, Gary Owen from his ex-wife. Then you got the Raiders with the shock of them all. They hired old man Carol, you know, formerly of Seattle.

[00:02:14] Same age as Bill Belichick. We'll see how that works. At least Bill Belichick is recruiting. Then, you know, you got the Dallas Cowboys, America's alleged team, hiring their offensive coordinator, Brian Schottenheimer. You mean Marty Jr.? Yeah. Aaron Glenn to the Jets. And then, Robert Sala back to the 49ers as defensive coordinator.

[00:02:44] So, Mr. Logical, what are your takeaways? I remember I said I was going to be surprised if Chicago did the right thing. I think they did. I think they nailed it. Jacksonville, it just makes me think, why didn't you get rid of the GM when Byron Left was one of them? I guess you needed a few more years of torture.

[00:03:15] Former Jaguar, Byron Leftwich. Yeah. I mean, he's him and Mark Renown, Jimmy Smith, Fred Taylor. Maurice Jones, Drew. You see that shade, Dakini, and McCardell? Kyle and Pete, and what's the boy's name? Roselli. The tackle who only played like six years or something. Paul Polozzi. Paul Polozzi. He had a dope name. Linebacker. Shout out to Penn State. I thought, like I said, I thought they would butcher the deal.

[00:03:43] Like you said, they're looking at like, what, 13 million over four years? Yeah, for Ben Johnson, five, I think it's five years, yeah. Five years. But it's 13 per year, yeah. Yeah, so, yeah, 13 per year. I thought they were going to do something like, you know, offer him a low number, knowing they can afford more, and let him walk to the Jets, and the Jets are going to give him exactly what he wanted. I thought that was going to be the case, and they were going to do the Dallas Cowboys thing,

[00:04:09] which is just hire just somebody, some guy, a name, you know. Because, you know, he was the most sought-after date for the prom. You know, the captain of the football team wanted to take, but, you know, you got the nerd in the analytics class came through with the money, so Chicago's going to make it work. I don't know if they have the wheels to do some of the –

[00:04:37] they definitely don't have the offensive line talent to do some of those trick plays. Like, I don't think they were deep enough at the job. I don't think those guys were good enough at their regular jobs, let alone to be out here running slant routes and, you know, drag routes at the goal line. Like, you can't even sidestep and block. You can't even pick up the blitz. So you need to work on that part first. So hopefully he's got to figure it out. So I like it.

[00:05:02] I'm excited because I think Caleb Williams, I think he needed – I think he needs an offensive coach that tells him, like, specific things during the learning process. Because we all go back to that Detroit-Chicago Thanksgiving debacle where Matt Irafluce, you knew your rookie was kind of flustered. You knew he needed some kind of guidance.

[00:05:32] But because you're not an offensive guy, you just assume that the offense would just figure it out. I think an offensive coach will look and be like, that wide receiver is too far down the field. This guy looks gas. And the play that I gave him, the play before to run on this next play in the event you got sacked, like, requires these guys to both run all out. Right. So timeout.

[00:06:00] Whereas the Evenflus is like, cool, they called four verticals and they just run it back to the line. Okay, cool. But he'll make it that time. Like, it's 30 seconds. He'll make it. But not knowing, like, not understanding, like, the mechanism of the play. The Pete Carroll to the Raiders just kind of shows me that they're not a serious organization. I mean, is he going to end up having his son on the Bill Belichick deal? Like, you got to bring my son in as the coach in waiting?

[00:06:29] I like Pete Carroll in the office sitting next. I don't even know why Tom Brady signed off for that. Well, see, I like Pete Carroll if. He's a liaison and you're paying. Or, like, if you're going to hire him as a head coach, if it was somebody like, say, Buffalo. If it was somebody like Buffalo that's, like, right on the doorstep. You know what I mean? And you're like, yo, we've exhausted ourselves trying to win the Super Bowl. We can't get over the hump. Let's do something drastic. Let's get a guy that's won a Super Bowl.

[00:06:58] But Pete Carroll, like, okay, like, who's your quarterback next year? You know, like, you running it back with Gardner Minshew or Aiden O'Connell? I doubt it. You know, you're sixth in the draft. So I'm assuming that Shador and Cam Ward aren't going to be there. So you're going to have to wait until the late second, early third to try to grab, like, a Jackson Dart or maybe a Quinn Ewers or somebody like that.

[00:07:23] You know, but if you're a team, like, so, for example, when you got a guy like LeBron James, right, you know what I mean? And you bring in a Frank Vogel that, you know, that makes sense. You know, you bring in a Darvin Ham, maybe that makes sense. When you bring in, like, a J.J. Redick, and this is not to disparage J.J. Redick. I'm just going off of, like, his experience. J.J. Redick should be coaching Charlotte or Orlando. Right. He should be a novice building himself up. The Raiders. He should not have a single player on his roster.

[00:07:53] That thinks they can win a championship. Yes. The Raiders should have been talking to Liam. You know, the Raiders should have been talking to an Aaron Glenn or somebody along those lines that will bring an identity and a culture to your team. Because even if Pete Carroll settles in and creates the Raider lore, how long you got him for? Like, not enough to see the rebuild through. Pete Carroll is older than disposable contact lenses.

[00:08:22] Yeah, he'll be 74 by the time the season starts. He's older than cassette tapes. He's older than the microwave oven. I'm not trying to be an aegis. I'm just looking at it like this. You have... You got Vegas right there. I just watched The Hangover the other night. Great movie. I love it. But the suite that they got at the Caesars.

[00:08:47] Say you get a young coach and you tell them, like, hey, that's your resident or one of these suites for why you're here. Don't worry about looking for a house. Especially if you got a guy, like, maybe that doesn't... Maybe just married and not have kids or whatever. You know, something like, you know what? This is your... This is your suite the way they fit. I think 50 Cent has a suite there. Sling Beyond, which is a residency.

[00:09:13] It's like you use the city to, like, really sell your coach, which you sell free agents on. You have the draft pick that you can also use your coach. You got the GM. I just feel like having a 73-year-old head coach when you are...

[00:09:32] You're so far in fourth place in your division, you don't have enough rope to give him to get you from where's the first. Tell me you're going to try to bring Russell Wilson there. I would hope not. Like, honestly, like... You know coaches love familiarity. I mean, best case scenario, you might get DK.

[00:10:02] I think that could be a move. I don't know if you... We know we talked about how A.J. Bryan got traded by the Titans for Philly's first-round pick. I don't know if six for Metcalf is the move. Maybe if you add 26. But, like, I think that's a good familiar face. But, yeah, I'm not a big fan of that move. Just because it's like... You are... You are... A quarterback...

[00:10:30] And skill position-wise... You're two years behind Denver at a minimum. Unless you hit on the quarterback at six, if you get a chance. You're... So, if you don't hit on the quarterback this offseason, you're already... You're already a year behind Denver with their development with Bull Nicks. So, now you don't hit on the quarterback either in free agency or through the draft this year.

[00:10:59] That puts you at least one more year behind because you only can assume he's going to get better. And the Chargers shouldn't only get better. Well, no, I just mean in general the team, though, with another year of Harbaugh. Yeah. And then you look at Kansas City, they're going to be consistent. At a minute... Like, Kansas City's not going to go... Even all these one-score games, the likelihood they go 89 next year is unlikely. So, you're going to be deep in fourth place. And you got a guy that you can't keep there for more than two years, top.

[00:11:29] So, going by salary. Just going by salary. The top free agents right now at quarterback. Sam Darnold, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Jacoby Brissett, and Taylor Heineke. All right. And then you got Mariota right after Heineke. So, best case scenario, you get Sam Darnold. Sam Darnold's looking for... If I'm Sam Darnold's agent, after the last game with... against Detroit and the playoff game,

[00:11:58] if I could get the Baker deal, maybe give me five more million on that. But the three-year... looks like three-year 135, something like that. If I can get that deal for him, I'm happy. Unless Minnesota's going to part ways with McCarthy, which is unlikely because if I'm an organization, I looked at Kevin O'Connell, what he did with Kirk Cousins, and then what he did...

[00:12:28] What he did with Sam Darnold. What he did with Sam Darnold, and then that year between post-Kirk Cousins' injury, he had Josh Dobbs in there who didn't know the offensive linemen. Nick Mullins. Nick Mullins in there. He had guys in there that were making plays. Minnesota beat Atlanta with Josh Dobbs, and he had just gotten there. In his first game, yeah. Yeah, he flew to Minnesota. It was at home. And they flew down to Atlanta, yeah. So you're looking at it that way.

[00:12:58] Maybe you say, cool, let me pay this remaining $9 million to this rookie, and then I go and get... Maybe I make the A.J. Brown call, because I believe A.J. Brown's going to be available after this year. I think his time in Philly's kind of wearing thin. I think he wants to make big plays downfield, and I believe around like week 10, Philly just realized,

[00:13:26] yo, this dude 26 is a cheat code. We're going to do this other stuff, make it look like we want to throw the ball, but really we're trying to get the ball to Saquon. Right. So we're going to call eight draws for Jalen Hurts. We're going to throw three screen passes, and then we're going to get the ball to Saquon 22 times. So I think he might be available. I think T. Higgins... I don't know if T. Higgins in Minnesota is going to work, but I mean, like I said... No, I mean, you already got Jordan Addison. You got Jordan Addison,

[00:13:54] but if you want to just go all in with weapons, maybe you call Atlanta and get Kyle Pitts, you get a couple of tight ends up there. I think you can make it work if you're not paying Sam Donald $30 million, but I think the Raiders... I think the Raiders... At this point, I can see the Raiders going three years, 135 for Sam Donald. So what do you think about Brian Schottenheimer? I think it's the same thing as the Callahan in Tennessee.

[00:14:24] They shook hands, they played golf, they talked about the old days, and they hired the son of the guy that they knew from back in the day. Because if you look at Dallas, were they extra explosive on offense ever? No. This whole season. They went into the all season knowing they needed a running back. They brought back Zeke, Rico Dottle, the other kid whose dad works in the organization. Deuce Vaughn.

[00:14:54] Deuce Vaughn. I'm not disrespecting, but it's like, you brought back... You just basically rounded up nepotism. You got a bad deal in your quarterback. You paid him $60 million. He ripped his hamstring off the bone, and now you're handicapped because you paid your quarterback $60 million. You paid your YRC $35 million. Now Micah's coming up. And now Micah, trade Micah. Not because I don't think it's talent-wise. I just think like, you need... You need other stuff. Yeah.

[00:15:23] And best case scenario, Micah gets you... If Micah doesn't get you 20... If a defensive end can't guarantee a triple team or 20 sacks... I know 20 is a huge number, but if he's not pushing those numbers, then... Especially considering that nobody in the league got 20 sacks this year. That's a crazy number, but like, Miles Garrett, Garrett, he can wreck your game plan. Right, right, right.

[00:15:52] You can move him around. What is it we lose sleep at night trying to game plan for him? Trying to game plan for him. It was like, you know, I know Aaron Donald is an all-time great, but you can't just... Those guys don't just fall out of the sky. TJ Watt, yeah, Miles Garrett. TJ Watt, Miles Garrett, JJ back in the day. Like, some of these guys that... If you... If you can't get that, you look for a team that... Look for one of these teams

[00:16:22] that just made the playoffs. One of these 14 teams who feel like, you know what? If we had this kind of defensive presence here, we have everything else. The Chargers probably feel like they got everything. They might want to go younger, so I think Khalil Mack's moving. If I'm Dallas, I'm moving defensive pieces to get offensive weaponry, and maybe I hire a more creative

[00:16:52] defensive coordinator and say, hey, you got enough talent, make it work. You know who might want Micah Parsons? Liam Cohen. Jacksonville Jaguars, you know. They drafted defensive ends like number one overall, like two. Yeah. Yeah, but I know that Josh Swett or Josh Swett, Josh Allen, the other Josh Allen, they tagged him this year,

[00:17:20] so I don't know what that looks like for this year as far as are they going to bring him back. You know, also, like, let's get to Cohen for a second. So, my man was just ghosting Todd Bowles this whole time? Yo, listen. trying to get my money, man. If you're getting a divorce and it was already known you was already out here, you're not taking calls from your future ex-wife when you are here

[00:17:49] popping balloons on set. But you're like, nah, I'm making other moves, especially considering that he, whatever, whatever he voiced about Trent Bulkey and then Bulkey gets fired and then his phone starts ringing with a Jacksonville area code again. He's like, okay, cool. Y'all really rocks with me. Let's make these deals. Let me see what kind of power I'm going to get.

[00:18:21] I'm always wary of, I think one thing that does work well for him is that a lot of the skill position talent on Tampa Bay was injured for blocks of time and he had Baker as his quarterback and I'm not sure how many people believe holistically in Baker. So I think people look at like, oh, this guy had 40 touchdowns like Baker had 40 touchdowns with this guy and Todd Bowles knows nothing about offense. So I think

[00:18:50] that that combination made him look probably like a better candidate and like I said, you know what else? What's that? He proved your theory true. All you got to do is hang with Sean McVay for a little bit. Oh, he had a coffee with Sean McVay? Yeah, he was Kevin O'Connell's replacement at offensive coordinator after the Super Bowl. Oh yeah, so he was in like a dirty shirt. Yeah, so he went there for a year. He ended up at Kentucky somehow,

[00:19:20] you know, coaching for Mark Stoops who's just a, you know, Mark Stoops, ground and pound, you know, defensive. So he didn't even get to really explore his playbook, if you will. And then he ended up with Baker Mayfield and here we are. He's the head coach of Trevor Lawrence now. That's a, but he's been a quarterback coach at least at minimum since about 2010. But how we were talking about JJ Redick being the coach of a team that's kind of up and coming,

[00:19:49] this makes sense. Mm-hmm. Especially in that division because really what you have is Houston, which seems like they're gonna be the creme de la creme of that division and Jacksonville, and Jacksonville, if they can get, if they can get above average play out of Trevor Lawrence, if they can get Justin Herbert level and they got the receiver,

[00:20:19] if they can get that consistent, don't turn the ball over because I look at it like this. You play 17 games. If you can get me 28 to 30 touchdowns, less than 11 picks. If you can go 28 and 10, but use your legs, give me a couple hundred yards rushing on a season, two or 300, just your scrambles, maybe a touchdown. Like just, if you can get,

[00:20:49] use your young athleticism, stretch plays, give me big plays, we bolster the defense because I think they have the offense as far as like the weaponry figured out if Liam can install his Tampa Bay offense with them and it can make work. Like I said, with subpar quarterback play, Brian Thomas, a rookie, went over 1,100 yards. So that's promising. Like at least he's getting open

[00:21:17] with inconsistent quarterback. Yeah, they still got Evan Ingram. Evan Ingram. You know, they got the two running backs. So I think So offense is fine. They just And their division, like I said, their division is winnable. Yeah, you got Anthony Richardson. You know what I mean? You got whatever Tennessee is going to do with Will Levis. And then Tennessee sitting at one, correct? Correct. So best case scenario, you got a rookie quarterback on a team

[00:21:46] with the coach who hired his dad as another position. This was like, you're not, you're not rolling up against a juggernaut anywhere in your division. You have Indy who's been trying to, like my pops of Indy fan. He's been trying to get rid of the, the GM for years. And then you got a nepple baby. The coordinator finally gone. You got a nepple baby as the owner. So it's like, they're not going to make any creative moves. So yeah, I think it's a wonderful division. It's been interesting.

[00:22:15] Aaron in New York, Aaron in New York, that's tough. It's tough playing for your coach and your old team, especially, and we don't know what they're going to do with the other Aaron. So you got, you got an Aaron, you got an A-A-Round problem up in East Rutherford or Florham Park. Yeah, it's time to, see what Mike Tomlin want to do. Yeah, and the Detroit defense wasn't great.

[00:22:45] No, they did have a, like, load of injuries. They had a lot of injuries. They had a lot of injuries. But they still, to me, were never really a top-notch defense. I'm just not sure if, I think, I think the smart move would have been to go to Vegas.

[00:23:14] You ready for the next news? We got to update what we got. Matt Eberfluss, defensive coordinator. Defensive coordinator. Dallas Cowboys. You think it too hard. You think it too hard. Like, I want to hate it, but... I mean, it makes sense. I think, I think defense is, I think defense is scheme

[00:23:45] 35%, talent 65%. I think offense is talent 40% scheme 60%. Because, I think every, for the most part, like I said this before, I think most, every offensive team has the same kind of basic makeup. You got a six foot two, three or four wide receiver.

[00:24:15] Maybe you have two of them. Your tight end is versatile. And then you have a blocking tight end. You have a bigger back and then you have a receiving back. your offensive line is your offensive line. And then you, you have like a shifty slot guy. I think that's kind of like the standard makeup. Two tall wide receivers, shifty slot guy, a pass catching tight end, a couple of blocking tight ends,

[00:24:44] a bruising running back, a running back that can catch. Quarterback is your standard. Except for like, guys like Kyle Murray and Bryce Young, for the most part, your quarterbacks are six, one and a half, six, two, six, four, 220, 230 pounds. Josh Allen being like an anomaly. So I think there you have to have the scheme to get these guys open. But with defense, I think you need the players that can,

[00:25:13] I think you need the corner that can turn this pedal backwards as fast as you're running forward and break down the turning tips and break on the ball. I think you need the defensive line. Like I talked about this with Atlanta. I watched so many games where there's no push up front. You need the guy that can like push up front, whereas Baltimore can get Justice Hill in the space off the scheme. You know what I mean? Like, so I think like that, that's why it's like 65-35 talent

[00:25:43] on defense, 65-35 scheme on offense. I know some people probably argue, but if you think about it, why do you think they're always so hell-bent on getting new coaches in and not replacing a bunch of players? I mean, I don't know, but part of that you could say is easier because it's just one person versus, you know, like one coordinator versus trying to replace four players or something like that. Yeah, but like I said, I think that your defensive talent

[00:26:14] because Aaron Donald on that play in the Super Bowl against the Bengals, if he's blocked better, Joe Burrow throws a touchdown to a wide open Jamar Chase on the sideline because he was wide open because even when he slammed his helmet, it was nobody there. Aaron Donald's talent, that wasn't a scheme, it wasn't anything drawn up, he didn't stunt, he just ran through the center and the guard. He just wanted it more.

[00:26:44] He just was better than the guy blocking him. Right. Whereas, if that's blocked the better, like don't, don't drop the running back into the flat. You scheme up that he helps the guard if Aaron gets through and he just does whatever he can to get in the way and Joe Burrow can slide two to three yards more back, that's a touchdown and they win the Super Bowl. Yeah. That's what I mean the difference. I think on defense, Lawrence Taylor was unblockable.

[00:27:13] Miles Garrett, unblockable. They could terrorize you but if you have an offense, like we've seen Kansas City when they were playing against Tampa Bay in the Super Bowl, Kansas City had the better offensive weapons. I think 40-something year old Tom Brady was not a better physical quarterback than 20-something year old Patrick Mahomes but defensively, everybody was getting through because they were

[00:27:43] just beating up the guys up front because offense couldn't run their scheme because they didn't have the talent to match it up. That's what I'm saying. Speaking of Miles Garrett, it's time for some awards. You know, so, you know, we're going to do it. You know, we're going to take it from the top here starting with MVP, you know, so let's do this right. The finalists are are we guessing who's going to I was just going to list out the finalists.

[00:28:13] You know, we'll pick who our winner is or if you want to list the order we can do that. If you want to say somebody got snubbed. The winner, the winner, I'm saying, are we guessing our winner or who's going to be the winner? Yes, our winner. This is the Sports Reports is ordered award show. You know what I'm saying? So you can add snubs, you can add somebody that's not a finalist. I'm just going to give you the finalists so for MVP, the finalists are Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen,

[00:28:43] Jared Goff, and Saquon Barkley. Mr. Logical, who is your MVP? Like, I've been going back and forth with this just as much as I've been going back and forth with my picks. I still haven't really fully picked my picks for the championship. I think Lamar Jackson's season was so spectacular that it

[00:29:14] outweighs the Josh Allen doing more with less. And I think Joe Burrow's season was so incredible that I wish his team would have made the playoffs because that would be my vote easy. but I'm going to go with Lamar Jackson just because it's not like his team had like a runaway season. They had some losses. The defense was playing poorly. Very similar to Cincinnati.

[00:29:45] Baltimore had the personnel. Like I said, defensively, you have the personnel. You make your adjustments. So you move Kyle Hamilton back. You bring Guy Wiggins, the rookie that got out of Clemson. Make Wiggins play a little bit more. And that role, Kyle, you stay back. I know it's tempting for you to be in the box. We're going to keep these other guys down here. So I'm going to say Lamar's season was so spectacular even with the up and down

[00:30:15] that they had at the beginning of the year. Because me and you, they were 0-2. And I was like, when they went to Dallas, and I picked Baltimore and you were like, why you pick Baltimore? Because they just, they can't go on three. Yeah, that was the same reason that I picked them too. Like they can't go on three and then they go on this run and like so many teams go 0-2, don't make the playoffs, you know, all that. Lost to the Raiders and shit. Yeah, lost to the Raiders with fucking Gardner Minshew and that mullet. At home. So I'm going to go Lamar Jackson

[00:30:45] because like I said, even though he's spectacular, his numbers passing was spectacular. Very similar to his unanimous MVP that he won the first time. He let the league, people don't realize he let the league in touchdown passes that year. Which was not expected of him considering that Bill Pullian and Hall of Fame GM said he should try the wide receiver. Now he's about to win his third MVP. So I got Lamar 40 plus touchdowns, 4,000 yards pass and 800 yards rushing

[00:31:15] four interceptions. All of them bounce off wide receivers hands. I mean like the war rights itself. It sucks that they lost last week but once again the ball literally bounced off wide receivers hands. Like a receiver's hands. Well, knowing me how you know me you know who I got. You got Saquon Barkley. I got Saquon Barkley. I knew it. You know what I mean? That is conversation. Just when you said know me like you know me I was like yeah. Yeah, I got Saquon. Yeah, because last year

[00:31:44] you know I chose Christian McCaffrey. You know this is not a running back thing. I don't have an affinity for running backs. Saquon Barkley is a victim of the MVP because Jalen Hurts stole all his damn touchdowns. If that didn't happen Saquon would probably have something like 25 touchdowns. 20, 23 to 26 for sure. Yes and you know what I mean? So of course you know he probably would have broke the all-time record if he would have played week 18.

[00:32:13] You know when I look at Lamar I feel like everything you said is correct. Like he's the obvious choice but part of and this is not his fault so I'm gonna preface it. This is not his fault but it's also hard for me when you got a 1900 yard rusher in your backfield. Yeah and that's that's that's why I tossed a speck of hope between him and Josh Allen because it's like yes Josh did more with less but Lamar still had 15 more passing touchdowns

[00:32:43] and he ran the ball for 800 yards. Right but also for Josh Allen and you know that's my guy right nobody circles the wagons like the Buffalo Bills but you know but he went 9 for 30 against the Texans in those last 3 or 4 games of the season he straight looked like dog water you know what I mean? so like that matters to me like as far as I don't think people remember that because he had 6 touchdowns against the Rams and then he caught it they beat Detroit the week after that

[00:33:12] and he had the touchdown that Amari Cooper tossed back to him so he was the first quarterback to ever have a passing touchdown a rushing touchdown and a receiving touchdown yeah so that 9 for 30 you just reminded people of that so if the voters are watching our show yeah and that was early in the season because they steal a lot of Mike shit every week so I'm pretty sure some intern in New York City right now working for one of these shows is watching taking notes of what Mike said so we're going to hear 9 for 30 at some point this weekend

[00:33:41] why he can't win MVP you know where he came from and I said no to Jarrett Goff just because his team won a game where he threw five interceptions you know but as far as I was a big Jarrett Goff guy yeah I'm always a big Jarrett Goff guy early in the year he just never finishes and that's the thing with MVP that frustrates me because some people look at it as like how did you finish the year like I always talk about last year how you know it went from Dak one week they lost at Miami

[00:34:11] Tua became the leader they got blown out by Baltimore and then Baltimore blew out San Francisco so we had to give it to Lamar Jackson because he was the last quarterback standing as far as the last one to win and that's my conundrum with this MVP is because he got the MVP last year off of what was mostly a lackluster year like numbers wise and he's basically doubled his numbers this year you know as far as touchdowns and that type of thing

[00:34:40] so theoretically he should be the MVP but it's not just all about him there's a whole league around him correct so I'm going with Saquon you know what I mean I don't really have anybody that I feel needs to be in the conversation like you could probably make a like if the Ravens had featured Dirk Henry more because I think it's impressive that he got 1921 yards considering our biggest complaint all year is give Dirk Henry the ball

[00:35:10] yeah that is crazy I mean if that was the case I would slide golf out because we already have four quarterbacks right or Burrell because they didn't make the playoffs yeah like I think Burrell comes out because first of all I don't know why he's a finalist knowing that he didn't make the playoffs right why would you waste a finalist spot on it well Saquon only finished something like 84 yards ahead of Dirk Henry you know that's just wild to think about and we're like

[00:35:40] why the hell didn't the Ravens give Dirk Henry the ball thanks Alohi you know and then we got offensive player of the year you know what I'm saying so the finalist I hate this award I hate it too but I gotta give it to somebody Joe Burrell Saquon Barkley Jamar Chase Lamar and Dirk Henry so for the MVP we didn't put Dirk Henry in

[00:36:09] but he's good enough for the Opoi to possibly take votes away from Lamar Jackson Jamar Chase is in the Opoi so this one's tough Mr. Logico I can't lie to you this one's tough I think this is the Saquon award okay because they know a running back has to hit he gotta hit 2100

[00:36:39] or 2200 yards right he's gotta run for 2200 and that's the only way to ignore what every other quarterback did he has to hit 2200 but the offensive player of the year in fact they threw two quarterbacks in there who are already in the MVP conversation personally I don't know I don't know why they pissed in our pocket and tell us this ran in with these two

[00:37:08] these awards because if I'm the MVP and I'm an offensive player I should be the offensive player of the year because I am the player of the year I am the guy the long snappers kickers holders punters defensive ends all 1453 players whatever that number is at the end of the season you know I got a retort for that right I am it

[00:37:37] you know I got a you know I got a retort for that especially okay you know for instance hypothetically you know Lamar like I think Lamar is going to win it so if he's the most MVP and his numbers are outstanding he should be player of the year but I know this is where they fall back and give it to the running backs who deserve more MVP consideration so I'm going to go Saquon Barkley not only because

[00:38:06] I think he's going to get it but he he did literally change how Philly played football but like I said it could be to the detriment like I said in our previous segment AJ Brown could be at a Philly because they basically stopped throwing him the ball because Jalen Hurts was 18 and 22 passes and we'll get Saquon in the spot so knowing me how you know me I'm going to say Lamar Chase so

[00:38:36] so so before I even answer that let me retort the point that you made I do think it is here comes your word now I do think it's a salient point you know but I think the problem that I have with it just thinking about it in the context of this year when I look at somebody like Joe Burrow you know he literally put the bangles on his back because he had to you can't give him the MVP though because

[00:39:05] his team didn't make the playoffs so theoretically you could say if you didn't even make the playoffs how valuable are you but if we're just talking about offensive player what did you do on the field I don't necessarily care about impact that's what the MVP award is for so I'm not looking at impact I'm just looking at who did I watch play football and they dazzled me and mesmerized me so Joe Burrow could win the award you know Lamar could win the award

[00:39:34] Derrick Henry maybe not so much you know because you got Lamar in his way Saquon I just gave the MVP so I don't want to give him this award I'm giving it to the guy that won the triple crown you know because as much as great as Joe Burrow was for most of this year remember they did only score 10 points against New England you know Jamar Chase has been the standard at wide receiver this year you know so he says some

[00:40:04] ridiculous stat and I'm pretty sure I'm going to quote it wrong but it was something along the lines of like only like only one like no receiver had ever had 10 plus catches 175 touchdowns in a game or something like that until he did it against the Ravens he did it again against the Ravens and then he did it again against someone else no one ever had that stat line ever

[00:40:34] before it's like something like 14 plus catches 175 yards and two touchdowns and he did it three times right but Joe Burrow gets the credit for that because he's the quarterback you know what I'm saying so like I don't know what that looks like I don't want to do the hypothetical what if Jamar Chase was out and it was just T Higgins would it have looked the same I don't want to do that but I'm gonna just go with the triple crown winner Joe Burrow though is very worthy you know he was first in touchdowns he was first in yards he had the most completions

[00:41:03] by a whole you're going with Jamar because you have Saquon as your MVP yeah like theoretically this is the sports reports is ordered selection yes yes in real life I think Lamar wins the MVP and I think Saquon wins the offensive player of the year but this is two fives awards you know and of course you know I am two five so then you got defensive player of the year

[00:41:33] so this is a list for you you got Zach Bond from the Eagles Miles Garrett Trey Hendrickson Patrick Sertain the second aka PS2 and TJ Watt aka the Steelers better not ever get rid of him so who you got uh oh word I love that all right

[00:42:02] so I like what Bond did for Philly but I also think that Philly's overall defense was outstanding okay I find it difficult to give AP defensive player the year award to a corner I know like a lot of times I have to feel um

[00:42:30] but I think leading the Eagles defense especially considering coming into the season that was one of the question marks because they had the leadership issue with Kelsey retiring and then Fletcher Cox retiring defensive side of the ball I believe a lot of people love Jordan Davis coming out of Georgia just being that big moving move like that and Jalen Carter was kind of figuring it

[00:43:00] out he came into his own this year but you know Zach Bond was everywhere he was everywhere in the middle of the field he's got the green guys calling all the plays he was just making so many plays I saw one game where he got called I think he got an interception but there was a penalty on Philly and like two plays later he got the pick anyway you know so they always a fumble or something like that and then he came right back like two plays later and got the pick so

[00:43:30] just that kind of that kind of impact I like it when the linebackers because they're everywhere like my son plays linebackers so seeing them checking I'm seeing them putting guys in position so they have so much going on because the safety is the same thing but the safety is 13 14 yards back they can't get too close to deliver messages because the ball gets snapped you out of

[00:43:59] position so that I'm impartial to the inside linebacker and the impact they have on the no matter what the play looks like if you get a linebacker in space running back in space and that tack was missed that's probably your first down so having that responsibility also

[00:44:28] having a rest of passer riding tight ends up the seam because you know down the hallway for me is a pretty outstanding linebacker so knowing me how you know me you

[00:44:58] don't say the name no you know so before I say my name I got some snubs here this is my first set of snubs so before I get to the snubs let me back it up because remember we talk about MVP and how a running back hasn't won it since Adrian Peterson so in the history of the defensive player of year award all 53 winners there have only been five safeties that

[00:45:45] and did he he did 83 tackles he was the league lead in interceptions with nine nine picks yeah like if you think about that there's I think the all time all time active right now might be Harrison Smith but about 27 or 30 yeah he's got a third of that you know to me and you know and if you care about advanced stats he has the

[00:46:15] fourth lowest missed tackle rate of all safeties in snub and this is I'm gonna call this the Lamar Jackson snub because you might look at his stats and say that don't sound like a snub but when I watch the football game on the TV he's the guy that's everywhere he jumps off the

[00:46:45] screen all that kind of stuff like that Xavier McKinney from the Green Bay Packers you know 60 tackles 8 picks he had a fumble recovery defensed 11 passes and had a sack this is a safety with 11 passes defended that's not a corner because when I look at Patrick Sertain between two safeties so when I look at Patrick Sertain 11 passes defended so to some degree how can I

[00:47:25] right right that's wide receiver all game he shuts them down and they don't they like I said the old stuff on Gilmore shut up half the field there are the Deon the champ Bailey there green so so I'm glad so I'm glad Aloe Lani said what she said about the rewrite the reward package don't forget the impact statement because that applies to how I'm looking at this award because

[00:47:56] my way to separate you my MSM had me looking like a G see what I'm saying so Miles Garrett right 47 tackles he was second in sacks with 14 three forced fumbles fumble recovery you know Trey Hendrickson from the Bengals you know 46 tackles led the league in sacks by Garrett two forced fumbles

[00:48:26] six passes defended I know but I don't know but okay and then you got TJ Watt down here you know 61 tackles 11 and a half sacks six forced fumbles first in the lead two recoveries four passes defended and then your guy Zach Bond you know 151 tackles three and a half sacks five forced fumbles a pick and a defense pass I'm going with TJ Watt

[00:48:58] because he's the best combination of everything yeah and if you look at the offense that he was running a lot of their wins were because Pittsburgh was getting on the ball back defensively or they were just getting punts or getting turnovers so yeah all right I give you that all right so coach of the year that might be the only one where the winner I don't think you could be mad about whoever they pick I think that's

[00:49:27] the only one where the bets are spread probably evenly yeah yeah all right so coach of the year we got the guy that had coffee with Sean McVay and won him a Super Bowl as the offensive coordinator Kevin O'Connell we got Mr. Logical's most hated coach in the league Sean Payton we got Daniel Quinn we got Dan Campbell and of course we got Big Red

[00:49:57] who you got Mr. Logical sports reports is ordered sports reports is ordered oh in real life I think Miles Garrett is going to win defensive player of the year really yeah I think he's going to win it back to back but no playoff success I don't think you don't think you don't think it's going to work in if you're going to

[00:50:26] pick a guy that didn't make the playoffs I would imagine you picked the guy who led the league in a major stat coach of the year Kevin O'Connell seems to be the no-brainer because I think everyone was so out on Sam Darnall this won't happen but I'm going to give him his flowers I'm going to say Sean Payton

[00:50:59] listen I don't like him I don't I didn't think he was going to be good for the rookie coach because like this is I what happened oh I couldn't get a signal I in Starbucks whatever yeah look that up the guy who was on on a

[00:51:29] zoom call for court driving on a suspended license answered his phone while driving and then said hold on let me park over here the judge said in the suspended license case and his mouth was like this but yeah I'm like Kevin O'Connell already had established like okay I can make it work

[00:51:59] with a I don't say mediocre quarterback but I can make it work with a mid-tier quarterback 11 to 14 people didn't think Sam Darnold was pretty sure the gap pretty close like Cooper Rush on a good offense with 17 games probably can give some good numbers but he'll probably be about 18 I think Sam Darnold previous years probably about 18 19 he

[00:52:28] he bumps him up into the top seven or eight you know top six quarterbacks in the league but he did the same thing with Kirk Cousins and we saw what happened after that Dan Campbell I to their victories I think I just think I just think that they just I think people I think he was a likable coach a couple years back when they

[00:52:58] knocked Green Bay out of the playoffs I don't know if he won coach a year that year but that would have been a year I would have given it to him that year was like no one thought anything of the Lions and ends up playing for a playoff spot but couldn't get it because Seattle won a tie breaker that would have been my year so with that being said I

[00:53:46] know if the voters will like it that way but like I said I just feel rookie quarterback he was the last of the Mohicans of the rookie draft picks and he turned out to be one of the most entertaining guys and they had their ups and downs but I

[00:54:18] it was all wrapped up and they lost four straight games to end the season and then lost their playoff game so he lost the award with that losing streak in my opinion I don't think he

[00:54:51] I am not a homer so you gonna say Kevin O'Connell so in real life I think Kevin O'Connell wins okay if it was up to two five nobody struggles the way it's like the Buffalo Bills McDermott I'm taking Sean McDermott

[00:55:20] because because out of all the coaches okay so looking at this list of the finalists let's just look at preseason expectations first of all so the Chiefs are going for a three beat yeah Dan Campbell was the feel good I think this is the Lions year but they went back up to kick the field goal right Sean Payton

[00:55:52] you give them to give them you know people like Jaden Daniels but I don't think most people had Washington as a playoff team so I think that's fair the only one that's seen it yeah I didn't even have him in the playoffs and you know so

[00:56:22] Sean McDermott Buffalo came into this year as look at everything that they lost they already can't beat the Chiefs now you know and even us we were like oh this is Miami's division to walk away with you know this is Miami had like all of the best weather games but they had the injuries they had the cold weather games like the cold cities generally the cold cities those games are early right I mean injuries can ruin any team

[00:56:52] yeah but when I look at Buffalo they were the first team to beat Kansas City this year to end the undefeated streak they won that game at Ford Field they were the team they lost they lost

[00:57:28] they got self-destructed they got destructed then you had Josh Allen didn't make it easy 9 for 30 they lost off the top of my head and you can fill in yeah Stephon Biggs Gabe Davis right or was he already gone he no he he was gone he left this year went to Jacksonville I don't think the cover was as

[00:57:57] bare for Buffalo as we thought it was I just felt like people I think the narrative surrounding Josh Allen was Stephon Diggs got you from 57% completion or 69% and he was going to be gone but I'm like well he's also had 3 or 4 years to get other guys involved too I remember my preseason pick was Josh Allen because I

[00:58:45] Shakir who is a little tiny slot dude that I think is good but he was basically their go-to guy coming into the season you know what I mean you got the tight end so they do have that you know James Cook gets a lot of touchdowns but he was barely a top 20 rusher you know then you had Von Miller missed some time as well you know you had they lost Poyer

[00:59:15] you know who was the heart of their defense over the last couple of years so I just felt like Buffalo started behind the eight ball and Josh Allen brought it up after the AFC championship game last week where he was like people said we for me personally since I was basically

[00:59:45] saying that hey another loss to Kansas City you gotta go you know what mean so like you know so I ain't gonna say that this weekend but it's there so the five finalists Campbell Connell Payton Quinn Reed Reed would be the guy you pulled out and you would insert McDermott yes okay yes all right so then we got offensive rookie of the

[01:00:14] year or I'm sorry I skipped one we got comeback player of the year so we got Joe Burrow Sam Darnall J.K. Dobbins Christian Gonzalez and DeMar Hamlin yeah okay we're good on this one no we're not good on this one we're not doing this one so it's not gonna be DeMar Hamlin I mean in real life it will be like in real life it will be if Sam

[01:00:44] don't know comeback player he wouldn't hurt he just sucked well this is the one that I'm giving Joe Burrow this is the one I'm giving Joe Burrow he wasn't hurt for that long he was hurt for four weeks he was hurt he was hurt enough Brown started four games that's fine that's fine all right I'm gonna say no to that I'm gonna go DeMar Hamlin okay fair enough you know I can't argue against DeMar Hamlin even though I thought DeMar Hamlin would have

[01:01:14] been last year you died years ago I think this list is awful I think it's probably the worst list all right all right but I'll go DeMar Hamlin because they didn't get it last year but all right this one

[01:01:44] so this next award yeah offensive rookie of the year this one was the hardest for me because I Daniels Brock Bowers Brian Thomas Bo Nicks and Malik Neighbors okay just like think about this Dan Snyder once gave Albert Haynes worth like a hundred million dollars

[01:02:15] and he gave Adam Archuleta a lot of money too he gave Deion some money he gave Chad Bailey some money he gave you know say he drafted a quarterback that wore number 21 in college he gave Gus Farratt some money and Heath Shuler some money he settled out of court for some assault complaints and the team was a complete disarray

[01:02:45] Magic Johnson comes through with the magic stick paws and then they rebuild no glazing shout out the organization in one gear he couldn't do it with the Lakers even though it's a sporting playing but that's neither here nor there they get the second overall pick who weighs about 192 pounds and they convert what was the number 20 or 23 fourth down coming into the playoffs and I think they went like three for

[01:03:15] four against Detroit or four for five something like that they went like one for three against Tampa though yeah it bounces out but anyway he's got the turnover I'm gonna say Jane Danz I thought the award was his for for a while I thought the Hail Mary kind of propelled him in the first place Brock Bowers numbers breaking Mike Dicker's record with the fucking that ain't all the collage of quarterbacks and

[01:03:45] bro this award was the hardest award for me to grade I just figured I just the it's Jaden Daniels but it's because the organization was so it took it took just drafting him I know other pieces happened and I don't want to like marginalize the effort of everybody else who played no fuck that it's Jaden Daniels drafting him Shane if you

[01:04:15] look at the Bears the Bears if Caleb Williams wins three more games Iberflues is in the playoffs you know like so just his ability and his poise he had the rib injury that kind of slowed him down but he still played the Hail Mary game the game winning drive against Philly the back to back the back to back against Cincinnati when he threw the touchdown the multiple

[01:04:45] games with no turnovers and no punts that's unheard of for a rookie remember Caleb Williams texted the rookie they drafted the punter and said you're not going to get a lot of action this year he got nothing but action so I know it's not but that sounds like a pause just because of the word when I said it I thought about it and that's why I just

[01:05:17] I like the Josh Allen aspect to his award of doing more with flesh he didn't have he had a coach that was pretty much on a hot seat for six or seven weeks we were all looking at Pierce like you're not making it hope you got a nice condo or something in Vegas because you're not coaching next year then they they had Desmond Ritter and being a Falcons fan Desmond Ritter

[01:05:46] doesn't throw the ball downfield at all ever I don't care what the route calls for it could be a wide open go route he won't throw it then he had Minshew and Aiden O'Connell I think somebody else even got some was at the helm of this complete 180 double digit wins yeah so bro this one

[01:06:16] was the hardest one for me even though I knew the answer so even though I knew Jaden Daniels was the answer this is that perfect EPR scenario like everybody looks great yeah so you brought up Brock Bowers breaking Mike Dicker's record right so he so he broke most receptions by a rookie tight in most receiving yards by a rookie tight in he broke Puka Nakua's

[01:06:46] rookie reception record and NFL history NFL history I said his season was the third most catches of a tight in ever Zach Ertz is number one with 116 Evan Ingram 114 and Brock Bowers was at 112 that's receptions for a tight in total

[01:07:16] in a season Mr. Lad McConkie in there just yeah he could have got in this conversation but he started too late I think but check it you got Brian Thomas right correct you know most receiving yards by rookie first Jaguar like 1107 yards something like that yeah first Jaguar rookie over a thousand yards most 100 yard games by this year rookies as far

[01:07:46] as receiving goes 11 games this season over 75 yards which is a record for rookies then you look at Malik neighbors 109 receptions so he was second to Brock Bowers in receptions as a of the rookies this year and he missed two games and he had Daniel Jones and he had Daniel Jones Danny DeVito Andrew Lock

[01:08:17] he but check it out this is the craziest part of it I said he had 109 catches right he had 170 targets that's what hurt him that's what hurt him and then of course you know Bo Nix just did the damn thing like I didn't think the one was that good of a team I think

[01:08:47] that was the first game I saw can fans everywhere should be saying Bo Nix like just watching Bo Nix in that game I was like because that's when Jayden had like a couple of games post rib and I was like I I

[01:09:17] had the spectacular plays where Bo Nix was like I'm not making a single mistake yeah but I do have a snub you know I love my rookies I brought up this guy early during the season preseason and I was talking about how I thought this guy was going to be the truth once he gets his opportunity and that man goes by the name of Bucky Irvin

[01:09:46] you know said for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers so he had 1122 yards 5.4 yards per carry he finished seventh I'm sorry he finished 10th in rushing this year in the NFL and that was with that was with Rashard White getting 144 carries you know so he was sharing the ball you know and that was with Sean Tucker who had a

[01:10:16] game that was 135 yards as a rookie as well so I think Bucky not that he should win or anything but I they always and I and I remember watching playoff games every year we talked about the MVP and I believe the same thing in the NBA the MLB kind of just goes with like the guy who has the best stats pretty

[01:10:46] simple but we'll watch the first round of the playoffs and these guys who are prospective rookies defense player like Lamar went out last weekend I really hope these votes are in before the playoffs start right don't be trying to change your mind based on what happened in the playoffs but if the votes

[01:11:15] are in and they're counted and someone has a sealed envelope or the briefcase with the handcuffed to the wrist and they carry this information around then I think it works in favor because Jaden Daniels definitely would have skyrocketed if you had to get your results in by February 1st he'd be the only name on the ballot right and then finally we'll close it off with defensive rookie of the year this one was another tough one as well so you got

[01:11:45] Jared Verse Braden Fisk shout out to Florida State Quinn Yon Mitchell Chop Robinson Cooper DeGee I think Cooper just was like the Jackie Robinson selection I'm not really sure because he didn't start for a while I think Riley Moss in Denver had a pretty good season as a white cornerback I think even Green Bay had a white corner they all wore long sleeves

[01:12:15] except for Cooper like I watched it's like like they wear long sleeves like don't target me but don't sleep on me either because Robbie Moss did the same thing he's wearing long sleeves and it was warm but rookie of the year I love Braden Fisk and Jared Verse I love how draft day they were trying to get Jared to the facility so he could call Braden but it didn't work out then he

[01:12:44] got there and they put him on the phone it was like a very like just joyous moment if you guys want to YouTube it's like it was like pure joy like I love playing with you man it was like if the NFL had a script but it was pretty dope my monitor is going off you know so this one was tough for me top

[01:13:14] because I got a snub okay and without the sake of being a homer and I don't know how I could be a homer because I got two Florida State players here but Mike Sanistril should have been in this you know like best corner on the team already as a rookie and returned a couple of punts for touchdowns I can see it but I think what he was was just I think he just was solid I think he was better than people thought he would be

[01:13:44] even though there was a lot of hype around him being the first starting white corner since Jason Seagorn I think he just played well I think that the play against Derrick Henry where you know he got the scoop on him when you get low and do the scoop I think that propelled him I like Jared verse I like the way he

[01:14:26] and he let you like what they're doing in LA like their draft picks I like it for football because Because I think that, because we talked about Sean McVay maybe leaving and Stafford maybe leaving.

[01:14:56] I think if you look like, well, we have at least, we have a 2025-2026 defense that can make a run. So as long as you, like Matt Stafford didn't go into the season, I don't think he requires any surgeries. If he could just chill, rest, rehab, and be ready to go for the season, I could see the future is bright for the Rams. So I'm going to go with Jarrett Verse as my defensive rookie of the year. Knowing me how you know me.

[01:15:26] You're going with Chop Robertson and Miami Dolphins. I'm going with Jarrett Verse. So as I look at this, Braden Fisk led rookies in sacks with eight and a half. Chop had six. He also had 14 quarterback hits, four pass defenses, and those six sacks were second. Quincy Mitchell has an argument if you're just looking at it from the standpoint

[01:15:54] of shutting down a side of the field and just actual play without stats, just actual play. He has an argument that you can make. Jarrett Verse had 36 tackles, four and a half sacks, two forced fumbles, and the second most pressures by a rookie of all time.

[01:16:16] 77 pressures finishing behind Maga Bosa, who had 80 in his rookie year. So, you know, so I'm going with Jarrett Verse because while Braden leads in sacks, I like the pressures because that just means that you're making the quarterback uncomfortable. Even if you don't get the sack, you force the errant throw. Out of that 77, you probably force 34 incomplete passes.

[01:16:44] Yeah, maybe three or four interceptions maybe. Yeah, like, so, yeah, I'm going with Jarrett Verse. So there you have it. It's that that they track. See that? And that's crazy, too, because, like, out of all those, that's the only one that we agreed on. That's the B. Or Jaden Daniels. And Jaden Daniels. We did agree on Jaden Daniels. Yeah. All right. So, of course, this weekend. Real quick. I got a snub for assistant of the year. Steve Spagnola was nominated for assistant coach of the year. Oh, okay.

[01:17:13] Who's your assistant of the year, then, since we own it? Steve Spagnola. Oh, okay. We watched. When you watch the Kansas City games, you know the offense is Mahomes, Reed, Nagy, Old BNME, Kelsey. Like, they're in the huddle. Spags over there is him and Chris Jones. Like, yeah, what do you want to do? I want to rest the – you know, you got that list and shit. I want to rest the pass to coach. You know what I'm saying? So, like, I wouldn't say it to his face because he's – I think Ben Johnson is probably going to win it.

[01:17:44] Like, in real life, I think Ben Johnson's going to win it. You would – If you made that argument, because like I said, Spags not even on the list. Johnson will get credit for the offense putting up points in an offensive league. Like, Spags was taking points away from teams every week with his scheme.

[01:18:13] The black field goal against Denver. Are you the special teams, coach? I'm just saying, like, just like those – because they put starters out there. They put starting defensive players on there. You know, it was like Mike Pinnell, Chris Jones out there sometimes. You got Karlovskis. Karlovskis. You have, like, defensive starters on the field goal block. Uh-huh. Then you have, like, the game against Cincinnati when they forced a fumble.

[01:18:41] Everyone talks about the pass completion, you know, the pass interference and everything else. Well, Spags grew up to play to where they stripped the ball from Joe Burrow, scooped it up, scored a touchdown. So, I just felt like Mahomes didn't look like himself for the first few games. I think it was, like, six touchdowns, eight interceptions overall, and he was still undefeated. Name another team in NFL football where their starting quarterback, who you lean on, because he is the catalyst to your team.

[01:19:08] Goes six touchdowns, eight interceptions, four or five weeks into the year, you're still undefeated. Well, I will – so, the finalists for that award, Joe Brady, Vic Fangio, Ryan Flores, Aaron Glenn, and Ben Johnson. So, I will see your snub, and I will raise you a Cliff Clingsbury. I want to argue it, but I like it. You know what I mean? You got to figure out that defense, the secondary. A lot of games. Like I said, a lot of games.

[01:19:38] Zero turnovers, zero punts. That's his play calling. Yep. They went for a lot on fourth down where they should have punted. Probably, you know what I'm saying? But I don't know. You know, so, I don't know why Aaron Glenn's name is there, but that's a whole other conversation for another day. Ryan Flores had a good run at the beginning of the year, but I think – It fell apart. A lot of games at the end of the year, there was a lot of 26-point games. Yeah, it fell apart. I mean, they gave up 29 to Jordan Love the first game back from his injury. Yeah.

[01:20:07] You know, so – Yeah, so, you know, after this weekend, we will know who is playing in the Super Bowl. So, we're going to start with the NFC, Mr. Logical, where the Washington Commanders are going up to the link right down the road from you to get some fried bird. $650 for standing room only tickets. Yeah. So, who wins?

[01:20:37] Sunday, 3 o'clock, early game, should sell out. DC's – that region there is only about an hour or so from the stadium, not far. So, I think it will be a lot of fans, both sides. I think Philly can control the clock better. And it's not me picking against Washington.

[01:21:04] It's me picking the formula to win a football game. I think Philly's ability to control the clock very similar to what I said against the Rams last week. Now, if they just would have handed the ball off to Saquon on that second down instead of calling that silly-ass bootleg in the snow to the left with your right-handed quarterback.

[01:21:29] So, he has to try to plan his Jordans in the snow and the hard Pennsylvania frozen grass underneath to throw a pass to the tight end. Ended up getting a sack. Now, it's 13-17. I think you give the ball to Saquon three times in a row there. At a minimum, you get it to fourth and one and they're burning timeouts and you're getting a decent punt out of it. But from third and 17, that was a bad move.

[01:21:55] But, like I said, I think Philly's ability to lean on the run, like I said, it's going to cost them A.J. Brown. Winning Super Bowl, losing Super Bowl, whatever the case may be.

[01:22:09] But I think they advance from Philly to New Orleans to play, to be a determined team in the, I believe it's the Caesars, the Caesars Superdome. The Caesars Superdome. I got Philly. Not, like I said, it's not a slight to Washington. It's just that I think that they'll, Philly will be able to control the clock.

[01:22:38] I think Saquon breaks one. Maybe not two 60-yarders, but I can see a 40. I see a 40-yard touchdown run. I can see a bunch of 17 to 20-yard runs, like two or three of those. I can just see, like, that jump cut. That jump cut's aggressive.

[01:22:57] And I believe that Philly looks for a certain look for the run game, whereas a lot of teams look for a certain look to check to a certain pass play. I think Philly, because people talk about that play when he scored a touchdown in the snow, that long run in the snow where Jalen Hurts checked. He checked to that run play based off where the safety was. Most people check to a pass play off of that.

[01:23:25] But Philly's like, I'm going to check to this run play because I know if this guy isn't here, Saquon's gone. That's, to me, that, I think that's going to be the difference. Because I think that's easier. I think that's easier on offense to run. It's not good for you, wide receiver, though. How dare you pick Philadelphia? Because you're going to pick him, too. When you know I'm picking Philadelphia. Philadelphia. We had this conversation three weeks ago. We had a conversation.

[01:23:55] It started like, hey, what team are you most confident is going to get to the Super Bowl? And my answer was Philadelphia. You know, for a lot of the same reasons that you said. But I'll also throw in there, I think that Philadelphia can win this game in more ways than Washington can. Like, I think Washington needs a very specific recipe, you know, that forces turnovers.

[01:24:22] They have to get Philly into some kind of shootout, you know, and make Jalen Hurts have to try to match Jaden Daniels. But Philly's defense is too good to allow that to happen. You know? We talked about Detroit Stevens being a little depleted, but they were still a good defense. And then. I think Washington does have a chance. I don't believe it's going to be like Philly running over Washington. No, no, no, no, no. I don't think it's like that.

[01:24:51] I think it's just going to be. I think it's going to look more like the first game. I got 34 minutes time of possession of 26, something like that. Well, I think it's going to look more like the first matchup than the second matchup. You know, so in the second matchup, you know, the first matchup was the Thursday night football. Quintanamo Bay. That's where that started because Terry McLaurin got held one catch for 10 yards. But the second meeting. First quarter, Philly 21-7.

[01:25:21] And then something monumental happened. Jalen Hurts got hurt. Washington wins the fourth quarter 22-6. In that game, don't let it fool you. Yes, Jaden Daniels had five touchdowns. He also threw three interceptions in that game. So even the game that they figured out Philly, they didn't really figure out Philly.

[01:25:48] You know, rookie quarterbacks. 0-4 in conference championship games since the year 2000. And contrary to what Mr. Logical said, they lose those games by an average of 15 points. So the only real question that I have is how hurt is Jalen Hurts? Because I know they were talking PCL strain. He looks a little hobbled. Yeah, he looks a little hobbled. So that could favor Washington somewhat.

[01:26:17] But then that balances out because Sam Cosme is out for the season now. The right guard got hurt against Detroit last week. So now you're talking about Philly feasting on a backup guard. That's where I think it gets a little crazy. Now, because you're going to have to probably run Jaden a little more than you probably want to. More than you probably need to. It's almost similar to what I was saying about Riley Leonard.

[01:26:46] You know, when you can manipulate the game and take advantage of spots to have Jaden run, Washington can be unstoppable at times. But when he has to run due to duress, that's going to cause problems. Washington also. The weather doesn't seem like it's going to have an impact.

[01:27:06] Like a zero chance precipitation kickoff three o'clock is looking like 38 degrees, a little cloudy, so a little overcast by a little chilly, but no precipitation. So I don't think the weather is going to factor into it. I can't imagine I throw a lot of passes in that, that cold weather. And that's the beautiful thing that Philly has. No precipitation, though. Yeah, they don't have to.

[01:27:30] But Washington, in the regular season, right, gave up 137 and a half rushing yards per game. Mr. Logical? Detroit just ran for 201 last week. Didn't feel like it. You're going up against Saquon Barkley, right? I don't know. There wasn't like 60 of it on that reverse. Yeah, you take that away, that's still like 140. That's still more than their regular season average.

[01:27:59] Yeah, but they have two good running backs in Detroit, and they have a good offense. You know, and you make timely interceptions, and those numbers count for nothing. The one thing that Washington does have going for them besides Jaden Daniels is that, you ready for this one? I've been working on this one. Confidence is the musk of winners. You know, Washington's coming into this game seven straight. Wait, this is a chance for Frankie Louvoo to take over a game.

[01:28:28] I imagine he's going to be the one keeping his eye on Jalen Hurts. I expect a lot of play action from Philadelphia and probably some Dallas Goddard in the flats. You know, he did say that he was going to play, so I'm rolling with he's going to play. I think it's an eagle alive would miss this game.

[01:28:50] Yeah, and so the thing is that Philly's been allowed to be subpar in the passing game because of how dominant their run is. But to my point earlier, if Jalen Hurts has to throw to win the game, can Washington even stop him? That's the thing. I don't think that they even care to throw the ball. Yeah, I mean, the only way that they will throw the ball is if they slow Shaquan down and they're not going to slow Shaquan down.

[01:29:17] And like I said, that Carolina game that they won, they won that Carolina game and A.J. Brown was in the locker room and he said passing. And I think he came out the next week, he threw him a couple of touchdowns. I just don't feel I just I think as the season went on, they just kind of figure like, oh, Saquan is the human cheat code. And we're going to use that.

[01:29:46] Like I said last week, we're going to run Jalen on some RPOs where he gets four yards and slides. Don't get hit. Three yards and slide, four yard slide, get six, maybe 10. Then he broke one for 44 yards for a touchdown. So it was like. I think they're good running that we hold the ball, we win offense. The problem is if you turn the ball over, so you get an early, silly turnover.

[01:30:17] And Washington, you know, Washington gets the ball first, kicks a field goal. Now you're third and 11 because they're selling out to stop the run. And A.J. Brown's not really filling the route. He doesn't run it as aggressive as you should. Ball gets tipped in the air. And now you have a repeat of last week to where Washington's running down the right sideline. Ball in hand. Now you're up 10-0.

[01:30:45] I think a situation like that, they hopefully for my pick to make sense. Mm-hmm. A.J. Brown, Devontae Smith, Goddard, Jalen Hurts, Sirianni, Kelly Moore. They got to be on the same page. Like, listen, these are going to be the plays that are going to make you. You obviously saw A.J. Brown's not ecstatic with his role.

[01:31:13] You can't afford to have any kind of mental separations on the sideline. It has to be a cohesive group. So I don't know how Kelly Moore does that because he was in Dallas. And the knock on Dallas in that time was they seemed to fall apart in the big moments. And we already have this buildup.

[01:31:38] If I seen it as a novice fan, pseudo sports journalist with my retired friend that I've known for 12 years, it was just like who I was employed with in 0-3 and didn't know, which is funny. If we can recognize this, it has to be recognized in the building. Right. So I'm taking Washington to cover. You know, the Eagles are favored by six. Over under is 47-1.

[01:32:10] I think it goes slightly under. So I'm going 24-20 Philadelphia. 24-20 gets you your 44 and your cover. This is my favorite part of the show always. Yeah. I'm thinking about that.

[01:32:34] I'm confident in Philly because, like, as a logical thinker, I think you're just going to run the ball. You figure out, like, you know how we talked about Baltimore. You need to give it to Derrick Henry 20 times. Right. No matter what, he'll pop one. You got to think about it. He popped one for 87 yards in your first matchup. So for some reason, Munkin went away from that. Blows my mind.

[01:33:01] If I had radio contact to his ear, I'd be like, yo, just run that same play to the left. It's not working to the right. Just run it to the left. I just have a feeling that Washington's playing with house money. Philly's playing with the house load of expectations on their shoulders. So as a fan, if you would have picked them, I wouldn't have been like, ah, you'd be in a homer.

[01:33:26] But like I said, as a logical thinker, I imagine the game plan is going to be a lot of 14, a lot of 26, a lot of 1. Not a lot of 11, not a lot of 88. So I'm going to take Philly. We got 28-22 last week. The kicker seems to be flaky. So I heard a stat this week on Barstool that the Eagles are 4-0 when Jake Elliott misses an extra point in the playoffs.

[01:33:56] That's a strange stat. 30-24 Philly. Okay. Okay. So then we head over to Arrow Ref Stadium. You know, we got the Kansas City Chiefs as a two-point favorite with an over-under of 48-and-a-half. 48. Do the refs get their three-peat attempt? I mean, the Chiefs. Do the Chiefs get their three-peat attempt?

[01:34:29] I went and I, before I went to my son's game, I went to this place called Pudgy's. It's like a little sports bar on base. I went and grabbed some wings. I had a drink before my son's game. And I was watching the AFC Championship game when it was Cincinnati versus KC and Arrowhead. Not the one that Cincinnati won. The one where Mahomes got hit out of bounds.

[01:34:52] And I was thinking, like, is this the game where they had the third down play happen and then the refs brought them back out? Because they were like, oh, the other ref wasn't in position or something like that. Something was wrong and they had to replay it and Zach Taylor was going ape on the sideline. And that's when I text you. I'm like, Kansas City does get a lot of calls. They get a lot of calls. And it's strange.

[01:35:16] And I don't know if they get a lot of calls because it's confirmation buys because I'm watching replays of their games. I'm getting Twitter clips because we talked about the Kansas like not me. Me and you talked about it. I didn't see anybody else talk about the pass interference call on Jadarius White against Keon Coleman before halftime against Buffalo and Baltimore.

[01:35:41] Like that wasn't passing the fans, you know, whereas if that was, you know, Xavier worthy and insert. Buffalo DB right now, we're going to get we're going to get clips before they stop showing the replay on TV. Somebody in our sports group is going to have a Twitter clip of it saying, here they go again.

[01:36:08] But the thing that Kansas City does is that they don't seem to falter. They lose games. They lost the Buffalo. They lost that game last year, you know, to the Raiders. It just seemed like they don't fall apart. When the snowball looks like it's about to roll down the hill. The second half, Baltimore Buffalo gives me concern because they only got six points.

[01:36:38] Stopped a lot. Josh Allen doesn't get sacked a lot. But. Something's got to get. He doesn't turn the ball over. He doesn't get sacked. We talked about his weapons earlier. And I just feel like the Chiefs are going to make. One or two of the plays. That makes it a 10 point game. And it's going to feel like Buffalo feels as if they're down 20.

[01:37:09] I have a feeling like six and a half minutes left in a second. Casey's going to kick a field goal to go up 13 three. Something simple. Insurmountable. But they're going to be getting the ball at the halftime. And Buffalo's going to press. And make a mistake. Kansas City might not capitalize. You know, it'll be a punt. Bad play. Bad play. Call. Reverse. Some kind of. Something's going to go wrong.

[01:37:38] To where Kansas City's going to get the ball back. They might not score. They haven't been doing that much this year. A lot of championship teams. One of the things. I know Tom Brady was huge on this in his career. Was trying to score in the last two minutes of the half. Or going into halftime. Especially if you're getting the ball back. But scoring. Going into halftime. Is a big deal. It's a momentum shift. I just have a feeling like. Kansas City's going to get up. 10 points. 17-7.

[01:38:08] 13-3. Something like that. And. Buffalo's going to press. And then. And then. Kansas City's going to get a field goal out of it. They'll still only be up two possessions. But Buffalo's going to play the game. Like they're down three possessions. They're going to go for it on fourth and three. When they should just kick the field goal. Go down 10. Kick the field goal. Be down 10. From the. You know. We're going to go fourth and two. From the 11th. Yeah. Kick the field goal.

[01:38:39] And you'll be down. 17. 17-10. Just kick the field goal. Be down. No. 20. It'll be like 20 to 7. Or something like that. Because Kansas City get the field goal. It'll be something like that. And they'll. They'll go for points. But no. They'll go for the first down. On fourth down. Won't get it. Kansas City's going to come back. Get a field goal. Kansas City's not going to get a bunch of explosive plays. They're just going to make you. Think that three points.

[01:39:10] Or punts. Not good enough. And the final score is going to be something along the lines of. You know. 27. 17. See. As I was thinking about this game. The one word that kept coming into my head was psychology. You know. As a Florida State fan. All I have in my head. Every single year. You know. Florida State could be 8-0. Miami could be 1-7.

[01:39:40] Wide right is all I hear. It's all I hear. So. So. I made this comparison a couple of weeks ago. You know. I said that. If Josh Allen can get to Kansas City. This is. His Michael Jordan. Detroit Piston moment. The Isaiah Thomas walking off the court early moment. You know. You know. So. He's 0-3. In the playoffs against them.

[01:40:09] But 4-4 overall. So in the regular season. He does just fine. Then I saw something today. That Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes. Are the two quarterbacks. With the lowest interception rate. In the playoffs. So. You can't expect a turnover. From one of those two. So the turnovers have to come from somewhere else. There's going to be turnover on downs. Is this. So. That's what I think. It's going to change. The game's going to change. So then. The second thing that popped into my head. Was. Sweet. Caroline.

[01:40:39] But instead of Caroline. It was destiny. As the great Nasir Ben-Aludera Jones said. It was written. It's time to circle some wagons. So look. They played a couple of weeks ago. That game just happened to be in Orchard Park. In that game. Buffalo. 71 total plays. Kansas City 52. 52.

[01:41:08] This is the problem though for Buffalo. In that game. Kansas City on 17 rushing attempts. 4.6 yards per carry. Buffalo on 31 attempts. 3.4 yards per carry. So. You got to establish a run game. You got to get these tight ends. Out in the flats. Just like I was talking about Dallas Goddard. You got to give Josh Allen those safety valves. And you got to eat clock.

[01:41:37] You don't need to try to get down the field quick. And put the ball back. Once again. Like I said. Down 10-3. Down 13-3. But that's the thing. That's where I was about to go. Here on that corner route looks good. Until McDuffie knocks it down. But see. I think the game goes the other way. You think Kansas City presses. I think. I think. I think. No. I think Buffalo. Gets up a little bit early. Something like. Maybe 13-7. Nothing extravagant. But something like. 13-7.

[01:42:07] And I think. As the game goes on. Kansas City's calm and collected. The little engine that could. They're moving the ball down the field. They take a late lead. Say. With. Four minutes left. They take a. They take their first lead of the game. That's when we get the answer about Buffalo. That's your 20-16 lead. Something along those lines. Yeah. That's when you get your Buffalo answer of. You know. You got to lose yourself in the moment. You own it. You know. All that good stuff.

[01:42:35] Andrews was open a lot. Mm-hmm. Against Buffalo. He was. People talk about the play call. Like the penalties against Houston. But. Travis Kelsey had seven catches. 120-something yards. He hadn't had an output like that all year. Mm-hmm. So if you're running the same. Granted. Matt Milano is not going to be spying Patrick Mahomes. Right. But maybe he should every once in a while. Because Pat will take off on you.

[01:43:06] Granted. He ran a 4-8-40. He's not the most nimble guy. He runs like he stole candy. You know. So like. Okay. Like he's running like. Oh. No one see me? Oh. I made out of the store? Oh. I'm at the car? Oh. So. If they don't put the spy on. Because it looked like they were doing a lot of man coverage against Baltimore. Maybe that's because they didn't have Zay Flowers. And they didn't respect the passing game. I think. Likely probably was like their.

[01:43:35] Biggest passing threat. And they figure. Andrews doesn't move as well as likely. So. They'll man up him. And maybe bracket like. Because. Mark Andrews is getting a lot of targets. He had the one bounce off his chest. And then Lamar fumbled in the next play. So. If you. If they play this game. Any way. Similar to how Houston played Travis Kelsey. It's going to be a problem. Worthy had a great catch against Houston last week. Like he snatched it over the shoulder.

[01:44:06] He's good for. One of those kind of splash plays. And it just depends on when he gets it. Especially. We can. We can go ahead. And put it in the books. I'm not. I'm not just saying like the rest are in it. But. Kansas City is going to get a call. That's going to be legit. A defensive holding call. The problem is. It's going to be like third and nine. On an incomplete pass. And it's going to be a. Holding on the. On the left side of the field. And Mahomes is looking right the whole time.

[01:44:36] Like to one of those three tight ends. Running like a corner route. And someone's going to hold Hollywood Brown. On the back side. And. They're going to extend the drive. They're going to get points out of it. Everyone's going to be dejected. It's going to be like. Oh here we go again. The fans are going to. You know. Then the. The Kansas City fans. Going to be rabid on the sidelines. They're going to be getting in the heads of the Buffalo's players. Because they. They're not wearing earmuffs. Right. So Buffalo. This is what I want you to do.

[01:45:06] Whoever the defensive captain. Of that team is. I'm assuming it's Matt Milano. Or Von Miller. Yeah. Whoever you're dating. Whoever you're married to. Whoever just has some free time. We are wearing black t-shirts. Under our jersey. That says. All it takes is 13 seconds. You want the Buffalo Bills. To rehash the 13 seconds. I do. I want them to know. That no matter.

[01:45:35] How great we play. How they work for Miami. With their 24. And meeting the 824. And meeting the 924. I want them to know. That no matter. How great we play. If that man has the ball in his hand. With 13 seconds left. We need to be on our shit. You know what I mean? I think that. I think that puts you in the situation. That Houston dealt with last week. Because you're so focused on the rest. That's beating you. That you're not focused on the home. Kansas City. I'm not saying. I'm picking Buffalo to win.

[01:46:05] I'm picking Kansas City to win. Simply because. Like I said. I didn't like Buffalo. Second half against. Baltimore. I figured. The three turnovers. That they got against. The three turnovers. That Baltimore gave. Buffalo. Were so damning. To momentum. That there should. They should have. Capitalize on. Each one of them. And they. To the point where. I want to say.

[01:46:35] Buffalo. Needed a drop. But. The ball hit. Lamar's favorite target. In both hands. You know. I mean. Even that. In terms of the overtime. Though that doesn't win it. I'm not saying it doesn't. It. It does better than a kneel down. No. Definitely. Definitely. It gives you that. Because you can think about it. Buffalo only has six points. In the second half. And they got the ball coming out. So they got the touchdown. At the end of the half. They had all the momentum.

[01:47:04] From the two first half turnovers. They got the ball coming out. And you know. Defense step up. They didn't get points. I'm not saying they got stuff. I think. I think. I think. I think in that game. Buffalo played charger ball. You know. Like. We're just going to play football. And you're going to make the mistakes. Instead of us. Buffalo has the less. The least turnovers in the league. On the season. Now. Andrew's catch. He was wide open. I know. Drop. He was wide open. I know. And you don't think Sean McDermott.

[01:47:34] Has been hitting at home all week. Bateman was. Bateman on those. That deep. Bateman hasn't been open on deep post routes. Multiple times in a game. I know. I watch a lot. I know. But that's what I'm saying. You don't think Sean McDermott's been hitting that all week. Don't you. Okay. I can imagine that he did. But it looked like. If they play. The way they play defensively. Against Kansas City. And I know you're not a big Hollywood Brown fan.

[01:48:05] But I just imagine. Like. Kelsey underneath. I got D-hop. And you know. Those. Those. Those power forward. Jump ball situation. However. They throw it back shorter. For a third and eight. They had all that in Norchard Park too. They didn't have. The Hollywood Brown. Well. They didn't have Hollywood Brown. But they still had Worthy. Who couldn't keep their foot in bounds. On that one catch. They didn't have Pacheco. They don't need Pacheco. Kareem Hunt's good enough.

[01:48:35] Stop trying to suck up to him. Of course. No. We said what we said. Healthy. A healthy Pacheco. Gives you. We've seen so many times. He gets hit at the 26 yard line. And he just keeps driving. And he gets hit at 29. Yeah. And I'll see you're a Pacheco. And raise you a Ray Davis. I'm not. Listen. I'll give you that. But how often.

[01:49:04] Is Josh Allen going to give the ball to Ray Davis inside the 10. Versus Patrick Mahomes getting the ball to Pacheco inside the 10. I don't know. We're going to have to find out. But I'm going Buffalo. 27 to 23. I'm going. Old. Boring rematch of Kansas City and Philly. In the Super Bowl. In New Orleans. Like I said. It's like my. My pick. Is like I said. It's predicated on the whole. Like the Brady conundrum.

[01:49:34] Of teams not thinking three points is good enough. They've done it against Kansas City forever. It's at home. Mahomes isn't coming off an injury. I think they play well. I think that's better for Buffalo. I think it's better for Buffalo. That it's at Arrowhead. You don't think those. Those crazy fans slam themselves through chairs all around Orchard Park. Well after they're. After they're done taking a break. From being racist. I think that.

[01:50:03] You know. It'll be one of those. I think it'll be one of those things that. If you were at home. You almost have more of an expectation to win. Like you know what I mean. Like your fans are believing a little bit more. Because it's at home. You lost there last year. There's no way. They're going to lose two years in a row at home. To this team. You know what I'm saying. You go to Kansas City. I think. I think the pressure. The pressure. To some degree. Shifts back to Kansas City. Depends on when they got there. So today is Friday. So if you think.

[01:50:33] If you're a player. And. Because I don't. I don't know. I don't know if they. They. They are at. Their actual houses. Until like Thursday or Friday. Yeah. And then Friday night. They check into a hotel. So I imagine. If you are flying out. You get. Everybody. You. You. You. You enjoy your family. Monday. Tuesday. You get everybody on a plane. You get them out to Kansas City. Wednesday. The weather looks like. It's going to be. No normal. 30.

[01:51:03] You know. 30. 30 degrees. So nothing crazy. No precipitation there. In Kansas City as well. So it's going to be. A cold football game. It's going to be a cold football game. So if you get guys there. Wednesday. Thursday. They get into their routine. Where they're just. They're just in the. In the. In the hotels. Doing their meetings. And it's. And it doesn't feel like. A home game. Where like. The pressure is building. Like listen. We're on the road. It is what it is. But it's me. My brother's here. We're. We're teaming up. We're going to figure out a game plan.

[01:51:32] We're going to beat this guy. I just feel like. Kansas City. They do. Everything. They do. All the small things. Just a little bit. Better than everybody else. They don't do the spectacular. Better than anybody else. Like they used to. Like they used to do. The Tyreek Hill. 200 yards. In the first half. Better. Better. They do the. That. The gang tackle. Strip.

[01:52:02] Of the running back. Better. They do the. Discards. Pulling. We're going to. You know. We're going to send the guy. Through this gap. And Brock Curtis. To throw the ball early. Kind of move. They do that. Better. I don't know what happened. With the Raiders. Why they snapped the ball early. I think you know. They may. I think they just make. End game adjustments. A little better. Because. I believe. Ultimately. The defense. Believe. Is that. If it's in a possession.

[01:52:32] And we get the ball back. Our guy is going to do. Whatever he has to do. I haven't seen him fall short. In that. Situation yet. I'm pretty sure. It's happened. Maybe in a regular season game. Where they were down. 20. 24 to 20. Yeah. But what. Seven straight. AFC championship. AFC. I haven't seen it in the playoffs. Yeah. Don't have him much. So. Buffalo's up 24. 20. With four minutes left. And. Mahomes gets the ball. Josh Allen. If I could be.

[01:53:02] Like Mike. If I could be like Mike. So Mr. Logical. Yeah. I heard a rumor. Let's hear it. Jimmy Butler to the Suns. Bradley Beal to the Bucks. Chris Middleton. Chris Middleton. To the Heat. Maybe potentially with Bobby Portis.

[01:53:28] And looking for a fourth team that could end up being the Chicago Bulls. To send Levine somewhere. And then Levine. Zach Levine. I just. I don't know. One of these three. Yeah. I just don't remember where it would be though. To the Suns? No. It wouldn't be the Suns. It would be Milwaukee. Right? It would probably have to be. But I don't think you would get the O. And Levine. That's weird. You know. So. We'll come back to that.

[01:53:57] But the first three. Is the deal. That. That. Is allegedly on the table. And the Bulls are rumored to be the fourth team. So. I saw Memphis rumor for Jimmy Butler earlier. I did see Memphis as well. You know. That came out today. Like. It was talked about early. But I don't think it was viewed as realistic at the time. You know. But now. That we're heading down the road. And. Oh. Look. Jimmy Butler suspended again. He missed the plane. Right? He missed the plane to. Milwaukee.

[01:54:29] So. All right. That's a lot. Penny. I get it. I get that you want to trade. But it's like. Dog. I've only missed one plane in my life. And that's because I was drinking. Heavily. No. This is my problem. Mr. Logical. All right. The problem with these athletes. Because I know you're Mr. I don't know why. We do the athletes like this. I am. I'm more pro athlete. Yes. I am more pro athlete too. But. But.

[01:54:58] In a situation like this. It makes me sick to my stomach. That Jimmy Butler. Is going to be a dick. For like two and a half months. Or whatever it is. And he's still going to get. What he wants in the end. The thing is. And I give you that. He wants out. No. He wants a very specific out. Just give him. He doesn't have no trade clause. Because these players. No. He doesn't have no trade clause. Get him. Get him out of dodge. But the problem is. But the problem is.

[01:55:28] Just like when Anthony Davis. Was on the market. Remember they were like. Oh. Boston wants Anthony. Oh. He ain't going to sign an extension there. It's already out there. That Phoenix is the only team. That he's going to sign an extension with. Then send him to Phoenix. And when they don't make the playoffs. And Miami does. Well. I mean. Fuck. 20 teams make the playoffs. Maybe. Then. They're not going to. They're not going to make. Just. I look at it like this. I'm one of these people. Where.

[01:55:56] I value my piece. More. Than I hate. Your piece. Okay. I like that. I'm sick of suspending you. Dealing with you. Writing whatever. Because I imagine that it comes with some level of. Arbitration. Paying an auditor. Paying a lawyer. Well. When it's all said and done with these suspensions.

[01:56:26] He's going to lose 3.1 million. And dealing with all this stuff. And figure out how I get that money back. And where I take it from. I just don't want to have. I don't want. Like tonight. After we do this show. I'm going to go downstairs. I might watch a little. Some on Netflix. Come up here. Brush my hair. Put on my durag. And go to sleep. I don't want to have to deal with like. A drunk ass friend. That needs a ride. And they got to call me. And I got to get dressed. And I got to go there. And deal with them.

[01:56:55] And pick them up. Even though like. Listen. I'm your friend. I get it. We're connected. Because we're friends. I don't want to have to deal with that. So if I'm the Miami organization. I don't want to have to deal with it. So let me go ahead. Square your way. Get you an Uber. Get you to where you want to be. Because if I'm. I don't want to be driving all around town. Trying to figure out where you are. Where you want to go. What you want to do. You want to eat. You're going to throw up. You got to stop. I don't want to deal with all of that. I was. I want my peace.

[01:57:24] More than I dislike your peace. So you want to go to Phoenix. Hey Phoenix. I got a guy. He want to come there. What do we need to make this deal happen? So I can get some peace in mind. For the remainder of the season. Right now. January through the end of April. Because you're not. You're not going to mend that. You're not going to. You know. Mend that one. You're not going to rebuild that bridge. That ship is sailed. Like you said. Like Meek Mill said. Because of the burning bridge. Expect you to send a yacht. It ain't going to happen.

[01:57:55] Just go ahead. Once again. Two episodes in a row. Put your dicks away. And just fucking make the deal happen. To where. You don't have to deal with it. You know. The dick measuring contest. You know like. No glizzies. And everything. So. So we're 13 days away from the trade deadline. So. You know. They will be a fool to push this out. And. It would. It would be. It would be the sign of an immature organization. To push it out. Or an egotistical organization.

[01:58:25] To push it out. You're talking about Pat Riley. Like. That's the thing. You're going to be the only one with egg on your face. Because your team isn't going to get any better. Even with Bradley Beal. If he ends up there. Even if you suspend him for the rest of the year. Even if you suspend him for the rest of the year. Getting better with Chris Middleton. You. I don't think you can legally suspend him for the rest of the year. So you make him inactive. A la John Wall. What they did with Al Horford. When they were trying to trade him. But Anthony Davis. Well he was still in uniform and everything though. Yeah.

[01:58:54] They were playing him 20 minutes. Which was stupid. It's like. You could have just made the trade. You could have just made the trade. You're not. The player is ultimately going to win. Because the player drives everything else. Like I saw something on. I think it was the 560 podcast. With a. No. I think it was. It was a different podcast. But it was Spencer Dinwiddie. And he was talking about his time in Brooklyn. With a D'Angelo Russell. He was like. He's like. As a skill wise.

[01:59:25] I probably. We're probably comparable. But he's the number two overall pick. He's the reason. A lot of these people are coming in here. To watch a basketball game. So you got. In Dallas. A lot of people are coming there. To watch him play the game. He's paying all of our bills. By being available. And I think sometimes. The leadership. Thinks like. Oh. I brought you here. It's like. Yeah. But. No one's coming to the game.

[01:59:54] To see Pat Riley do shit. No one's buying Pat Riley. Suits. To come to the game. They're buying. Tally Hero shirts. I'm down to see Pat Riley. Lick his hand. And smack Jimmy Butler. In the back of the head. Yeah. So like. They're buying. Bam out of. By the jersey. Like they're. Like they're buying. The player's jersey. Tally Hero. You have your position. It's not. It's not. You're not. This guy's deity.

[02:00:24] You're his employer. And he doesn't want to be employed. By you anymore. You. You figure it out. Like I said. I think. Missing a plane is stupid. He could at least. Catch the plane. Man. Hamstring's tight. And you're inactive. You're a healthy scratch. Or you're inactive. Inactive for the game. You hang out in Milwaukee. You talk to Giannis. You figure out what's going on. You talk to the people in the building. You see what you like. Maybe you shake the owner's hand.

[02:00:53] For the Milwaukee Bucks. All right. So then real quick. Since we're running out of time here. Right. This is rivals week in the NBA. Not to be confused with rivalry week. But I wanted to. The other day I had texted you. You know. Saying you ignored me. But I was like. Yo. You want to play a game? I saw that. I thought I responded to it. I was like. I don't think you did. But anyway. The game that I wanted to play was. If you're creating.

[02:01:22] Rivals week or whatever. In the NBA. What rivalry has to happen? Like what game has. What games or plural. What games have to happen? I like. Like Denver OKC. Just because of Russ. But I think they love Russ and OKC. 17 and 5 as a starter with Russ. I think. I think Russell will retire. And I think they'll put that zero on the rafters for OKC. I think they'll do before they put 35 up.

[02:01:52] Oh easily. Easily. New rivalry. So. So real quick. Let me interject for a second. For me. This whole concept is why the NBA misses the boat. Because when we watch football. Right. Like. You know. We talked about this before. So I don't want to belabor it. But. You know. It's like Raven Steelers. You know. It's the 49ers Rams. Commanders Cowboys. You know.

[02:02:22] Whatever. You got your thing going on. So. If rivals. If rivals week was done back in the day. And the NBA had foresight. You could have had the Kings and the Lakers. Just make it a rivalry. Yeah. Like after. After the whole Kobe. Elbowing Mike Bibby. But the foul is on Mike Bibby. And the game. To Tim Donahue game. Yeah. You had. You had. You could have started. You could have built a rivalry off of that. You know what I'm saying. Because.

[02:02:52] You know. You got your dynamics. Right. Sacramento's the. Capital of California. But LA is the epicenter. It's the epicenter. Absolutely. You know what I mean. And then. Then like. You would have had that playoff. NBA teams are just bad for so many years. That's the problem. That. Your rivalry runs into. Is like. Teams are just. Laughing stocks. For so many years. Well I know. But. But I mean. Even with. Like. You know. Lakers and Celtics. You know. Like. 13 and 20. Lakers.

[02:03:21] 13 and 20 Celtics. It's still a hot ticket. It's still. You would think. One of. Like the Texas teams. Would have a little rivalry. But it's three teams. They're all. I would. Out of the three. I would probably say. Mavs and Spurs. Would probably be the one. I think you just got to redraw the lines. And then create the rivalry. I think you move some teams to the east. You move some other teams to the west. I think you move one to. Houston's probably the furthest east team. I think maybe. You work. You finagle. Right. As far as the west.

[02:03:51] You got like Memphis and New Orleans. That's what I'm saying. You finagle the. You finagle a little bit. Yeah. To move a couple teams to the west. And you get that Texas audience playing against. You know. The Knicks and stuff like that. More often. Should the NBA. Do draft rivalry. So like. For example. Have Detroit and Houston. You know. Cade Cunningham against Jalen Green. Or should they have like. Jog and Zion. I think. I think. They. Since they are player based. Just.

[02:04:22] Because. Because. The league is player based. Like you said. That's perfect. That's a perfect. You know. A phrase to use. Because. Because they're player based. The NBA just decided. We're going to sell a bunch of different jerseys. And because. Golden State Memphis. There's no rivalry there. But. If we put you both in throwback jerseys. We can sell them. It was on the brink of being a rivalry. And I mean. I would argue it. They hate each other. Because remember. There was the whole clay.

[02:04:52] With the ring taunt. And there was. You know. Memphis like. We're going to beat them. When they got to the playoffs. Sean Morant misses 30 games. And it's like. Yeah. Now it's like. Now I have nothing to sell you. You got T-Rex out there. Yeah. But like. If you think about the old bad boy Pistons of Chicago. It was Pistons. It was Pistons versus Jordan. Bad boy Pistons versus Jordan. But. By default. The Bulls. And Jordan never missed any games. He like. Played like 80. So you don't think. So you don't think.

[02:05:21] For his career. You don't think T-Rex got that hate for Steph. Nah. Or Bane with the. Muscle hamster. You could get regional rivalries. Like I give you Brooklyn and the Nets. Well I know one of the games they picked. One of the games they picked that I thought was smart. Was Golden State and Sacramento. Because you have the proximity. You had to play off series. They went on the same block. Yeah. Give me Philly. See. That's the thing. If the.

[02:05:51] If the Wizards were good. That would be a good one. Because. If people. Like I don't know if people have ever been to the East Coast. You can get pretty much from New York. Philly. Through Jersey. D.C. Maryland. In a couple hours. Without traffic. Like it's super close. And depends on like the certain. Certain routes you can take. Like. You can like bypass 95. And you have like some of these back state routes. You can get through Maryland. Delaware. D.C. Like pretty quick. Like I said. The.

[02:06:20] The Commanders fans are going to come up here. For the Philly game. That's not an all day ordeal. Like they can get up at like. Oh and Delgibbs are going to be in the building too. They can get up at like 9. 9.30. Get dressed. Drive up and be here for the new tailgate. No problem. I mean. So it's pretty close. So. Philly. I think Philly. Washington would have been a good one. Obviously. Chicago. Milwaukee. With that whole. With the whole. Proximity. Milwaukee. But the problem is the.

[02:06:47] The NBA has kind of like aligned themselves with. The player. That they created. These player rivalries. That's why like. Steph and LeBron always end up playing in some kind of like. The Christmas Day game. I know. They've been. They done ran. LeBron and Steph into the ground. Yeah. So they. I think also they use like the baseball markets. To try to create the basketball rivalry. So you got like the Boston New York thing.

[02:07:18] Yeah. I don't think Celtics was ever really a thing. I can't. I can't recall. The top. Well in the early 70s it was. That's what I'm saying. Like Kiki Vandaway and shit. Yeah. Like the 80s. I don't recall. Like a lot of like head to head East Coast. You know. Well 80s. It would have been. It would have been Celtics Sixers. You know. Dr. J. And Larry Bird. Yeah. So like. But. But if you want to go. A player. If you. If you want to match the rivalry with the city. Like I said. Like. Yankees.

[02:07:47] Red Sox. You know. New York. So you can say Yankees. Red Sox. New York. Either way that works. I think the NBA tried to slide on that coattail. I'm like yo. We got a New York. Boston rivalry. And it's like. Yeah. It's not the same. Indiana. Indiana and the Knicks. I think that's probably your better. Your better bet. Yeah. Yeah. Excuse me. So. All right. Yo. You can go NB Tatum. Or. Paul George. And Tatum. Which is like. The original.

[02:08:16] And then the 2.0 version. So I'm going to get us out of here. With my sicko thought of the week. So you remember back in the day. When you were like. Oh my goodness. You going to be watching that. Mac football on Tuesday. So. Here's my sick NBA thought. I'm listening. Look back. This is just me. I'm the only person in America. That's going to do this. I'm going to go back. Let's say four years from now.

[02:08:45] I'm going to go back and look. And I'm going to say. Damn what the Charlotte Hornets could have been. Four years from today. Yes. I'm going to be like. Damn what the Charlotte Hornets could have been. Didn't Miles Bridges. Have like a domestic dispute. Yeah. He's back. His money. Yeah. But I'm like. Yeah. That messed up his money. And I think that messed up. Well they ended up paying him. I think. But he.

[02:09:15] Yeah. Yeah. He didn't get nearly what he was going to get. Yeah. I think he has. I think he has like a regular check. Let me see. I'm going to look real quick. Yeah. I don't. I don't think it's anywhere. I think he was looking. He was looking at a max. He was looking at like nine figure deal. He got three years. 75. But the reason that I say that. Is because. You know.

[02:09:44] You know. Mark Williams. Right. Center. From Duke. He's 23 now. Out of a possible. 246. NBA games. He's missed 167. It seems pretty. You got Brandon Miller. You know. Out for the season right now. You know. With a broken ligament in his wrist. You know. You got.

[02:10:14] You got LaMelo. In the last three years. He's played 87 games. So one. You're rebuilding. With super young players. But nobody's on the court. So I'm going to look back at Charlotte and say. Could they have made like an Atlanta Hawks run. You know. The problem is like. That's the only thing that those teams could do. Because they'll make that run. And then they'll trade two pieces away.

[02:10:44] That following. Trade deadline. And then just like. Just like. All right. Last thing real quick. All right. Our beloved Utah Jazz. Word. You know. Second worst record in the league. They just want to sell out 41 home games. And. They're sitting. Walker Kessler. And Colin Sexton. Is healthy scratches. Charlotte. Toronto. And Brooklyn. Are right there on their ass. Record wise. You know.

[02:11:14] To get closer to Washington. Because. Washington's only at like six wins right now. Why won't they trade Larry Markkinen? I'm not. I haven't studied this. I imagine. He's 28 years old. If I have the most white. Contributors on their basketball team. And they just want to sell out 41 home games. Well. He's. You know. He doesn't want to tank. Dwayne Wade's part of the ownership group. Um.

[02:11:44] I think they feel as if there's three or four guys in the draft that can make contributions. So as the season plays on. I would. I'd want to keep my pieces. But I'd want to keep the pieces that I'm like. I'm looking. Right now. We are. January 25th. Here in Jersey. 2025. I'm thinking. Okay. Who would I want. That's currently on my team.

[02:12:12] To be on the team. NBA tip of. You know. 2027. If Colin Sexton's not that guy. Move him. If you think you can make something work with Walker Kessler. Keep him. You just have to make that decision. And because you're such a bad team. You're not going to get the immediate turnaround. Unless you get. Like a super dynamic player. Even if you look at San Antonio. With Wendy.

[02:12:43] They haven't made like this. Ultimate turnaround. And it used to be number one picks did that for you. I can go all the way back to Kyrie. Kyrie didn't turn much around in Cleveland. Because by then. Every other team was. Two or three superstars. Or. Two superstars. And two or three. Like highly touted role players. Players. And to top it off. They just traded three first round picks. For Phoenix's 2031 pick.

[02:13:13] So that's probably going to be the Jimmy Butler. You know. Anti. I'm guessing those three picks that. You know. Phoenix got from Utah. So it's a. 25. A 27. And a 29. First round. And they gave up their 2031. Because Danny Eats got some picks from some other team. Yeah he does. And he had a bunch of random picks. Yeah. And he's going to keep selling this fan base. It's good. Wholesome. Wasatch. Front. 801. 435. Utah.

[02:13:44] Fan base. Dedicated fans. Intense. Why the Coyotes move from Arizona to Utah to continue their pro hockey league. Or pro hockey team. And Danny Eats is going to be the Charlotteson selling them snake oil with all these damn picks. Yep. And he won't make a single move. Unless they full on flat out tank for Cooper flag. Then. Washington got him beat though.

[02:14:11] Nobody's catching Washington because they're going to end up trading Kuzma. And you know I don't know if they'll trade Jordan Poole or not. But they'll trade somebody else besides Kuzma. And go 7 and 72. Or 7 and 75. Yeah the worst record is 9 and 73. Go for it. You know. Get those balls in the lottery. You know. But. 10 and 72. I can't imagine showing up to work. You know. I don't know. But on that note y'all.

[02:14:41] We're going to see. You know. This Buffalo Kansas City game this weekend. You know. Saying go commanders. You know. We'll see what happens. We will be back on Tuesday. You know. Saying with more talk. More around the association. And. Talking about the Super Bowl I guess. Absolutely. I am 2-5. That is. And it's the logical. The one and only. Do not bring feelings to a fact fight. Don't do it. Like.

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