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[00:00:35] And when I say we, what do I mean?

[00:00:37] I mean the even kill.

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[00:01:08] Don't bring feelings to a fat fight.

[00:01:11] Not even a little bit, you know, we ain't got time for it.

[00:01:13] And then we got I, the Southpaw, going left as always, unorthodox styles, hitting

[00:01:23] you over the head with some gyms every now and again, whether you want it or not.

[00:01:28] I am to five and we going to hop right to it.

[00:01:33] So we both picked Boston in six.

[00:01:36] Correct.

[00:01:37] So what I'm looking for tonight in game one, I'm looking for not necessarily Jason

[00:01:43] Tatum to assert himself to the tune of scoring, say, 35 points.

[00:01:50] I don't want to walk away from this game questioning him.

[00:01:55] I just got off Cups in the Gang, AKA the Hotbox.

[00:01:59] And I was talking to Adam, of course, LAR Way Adam.

[00:02:02] And he keeps talking about like how we got to let Tatum grow all this kind of

[00:02:06] stuff.

[00:02:07] Like, you know, people like Jordan and LeBron didn't win their titles until year

[00:02:10] seven or so.

[00:02:12] You know, they're 28 or so.

[00:02:14] He didn't necessarily say this statement.

[00:02:16] This is me ad-libbing.

[00:02:18] But I'm done with it.

[00:02:20] You know, saying you've been to the finals before you've been in the conference

[00:02:22] finals your whole career.

[00:02:24] This is it.

[00:02:25] You know what I'm saying?

[00:02:26] You got to win this series like no excuses, no ifs, ands or buts about

[00:02:30] it.

[00:02:31] Win the series.

[00:02:32] Yeah, I would say when the series because you have the better team.

[00:02:37] Well that too, that too.

[00:02:39] Not because you just got to win it because you've been in the league long

[00:02:43] enough.

[00:02:45] I think this is the year that he actually has the team that should win.

[00:02:52] And I don't think people are picking them to win.

[00:02:55] I think a lot of the fan base kind of riding with Dallas, which I get.

[00:03:01] But I don't really think that there's a timeline where a guy should be winning

[00:03:04] because they've been in league this many years because like Dirk didn't

[00:03:07] win until his 13th season, but people still have him great top 10 and so

[00:03:11] forth and so on.

[00:03:12] I think this expectation of a guy has to win a championship.

[00:03:15] I think it's unrealistic unless you see them on the team that looks that has

[00:03:21] the pieces to win.

[00:03:23] But see for me, it's not about that per se.

[00:03:25] It's more so you know, you guys, you know, what is it?

[00:03:29] Six out of eight years that you've made the conference finals and you

[00:03:33] had the one year in the finals.

[00:03:35] So it's not necessarily you've been in the league this long.

[00:03:38] So therefore it's your time.

[00:03:40] It's more so you've been on the doorstep.

[00:03:43] Finish it.

[00:03:44] The unfinished business, but the doorstep.

[00:03:47] So you can throw that same thing on Luca Luca was in the Western Conference

[00:03:50] finals a few years back and then didn't make the playoffs the following year.

[00:03:54] I think it all depends on the team around you.

[00:03:57] I would leverage the expectation that they won the championship this year

[00:04:00] based off the fact that I think their regular season, the 82 games,

[00:04:03] they won 64 of them.

[00:04:05] So that puts you in this rarefied air of teams that point wins,

[00:04:09] 50 point wins, average margin of victory was like 11 and a half,

[00:04:13] which puts them like fourth all time.

[00:04:14] And as far as like champion, like if they were to win the championship,

[00:04:18] they'd be like they'd have the fourth highest points per game win

[00:04:22] advantage or whatever.

[00:04:23] Yeah, differential. Yeah.

[00:04:24] So for that reason, I would say, yeah.

[00:04:27] But if if he had like if if he was on a team that like, OK,

[00:04:34] so Boston was kind of kind of fortunate because they have the injuries

[00:04:37] on the other teams, which kind of made their path a little smoother.

[00:04:41] If he was on a team that shouldn't have won

[00:04:44] their round like Indiana, Indiana against the Knicks,

[00:04:47] if the Knicks are 85 percent healthy, 90 percent

[00:04:52] and they only lose one or two guys, I don't think Indiana beats the Knicks.

[00:04:57] Correct. But if Indiana came into the series with Boston

[00:05:01] and then Taylor missed two games with a road ankle

[00:05:03] and then Jalen Brown missed three because of a back.

[00:05:06] And then they made it to the finals.

[00:05:08] I wouldn't be like, yo, this Halliburton year, he's got to make it

[00:05:11] because it's like you got to look at the circumstances that got them there.

[00:05:14] This year, Tatum, I think

[00:05:17] I don't think it's like winter go home or this thing.

[00:05:19] You got to win it.

[00:05:20] But this year, you definitely have the team to win it.

[00:05:22] You're not in a position where you're not you're.

[00:05:25] I don't think they're at a disadvantage of any position on the court.

[00:05:28] I think they're at.

[00:05:29] I think they have leverage

[00:05:32] probably at every position other than Luca being like this all world player.

[00:05:37] Lucas just so our world, I think it

[00:05:41] I don't know if he really has a category.

[00:05:42] I think he's just he is just the guy.

[00:05:45] But I don't think there's another guy on the team where a Boston player

[00:05:48] doesn't watch that out.

[00:05:51] And I think there's a few players where they just completely just

[00:05:54] overwhelm them like Horford versus Derek Jones.

[00:05:57] And I think you're going to get more out of Horford.

[00:06:00] They're going to get out of him.

[00:06:01] I mean, so they like Luca Luca could go for 40.

[00:06:04] And I don't think that the way he plays makes it viable.

[00:06:08] They does go for 40. But Jason Tatum, these guys are at home.

[00:06:13] Get the role players in.

[00:06:14] Porzingis just checked in the game right before the TV timeout.

[00:06:18] Yeah, I want Jason Tatum to go for 40 if I'm Dallas.

[00:06:22] I want that, you know, because that because that means that no, no,

[00:06:26] I think I think of him like not necessarily like Yoke.

[00:06:29] Because I know we talked about that where if you like last year

[00:06:32] in the finals, Yokech had the 40 point game, but he only had three or four siss.

[00:06:36] So that was the one game that Miami won in that series.

[00:06:39] I don't think it goes for 40.

[00:06:40] I don't think about it on that level.

[00:06:42] First, I want both of them to go for 40 if I'm the opposite team.

[00:06:45] Like if I'm Boston, I want Luca to go for 40.

[00:06:48] If I'm Dallas, I want Tatum to go for 40.

[00:06:51] I think if Tatum's going for 40,

[00:06:54] that means the other players are going to be even more comfortable to fire off.

[00:06:59] Luca players rely on him.

[00:07:01] That's why that's why it worked with Denver.

[00:07:05] Not necessarily work, but the fact that Yokech went for like 40 points

[00:07:09] and only three assists is because everything kind of runs through.

[00:07:14] Tatum is part of this like a cog in the machine.

[00:07:18] Granted, he was an important one.

[00:07:19] But if he's going, if he's 40, he's hot.

[00:07:22] And that means Derek White's going to get open looks

[00:07:25] because you've got to blitz him because you can't just keep let him shoot

[00:07:27] because he has the talent that can get you 40, 50 points.

[00:07:32] He has a shot. He has the free throw.

[00:07:34] Like he can do so many things offensively that Dallas would have to adjust.

[00:07:39] They can't be like, you know what?

[00:07:40] We let him do his thing.

[00:07:41] We won't stay glued everybody else because the way bosses used to ball.

[00:07:45] So I think they're going to get it would get more open looks for

[00:07:50] these other Boston players.

[00:07:51] And that's why I brought up the other day.

[00:07:53] You can stay glued everybody else and let Luca get his 40.

[00:07:55] And that's why I brought up the other night, you know,

[00:07:58] the whole Lou Dort conundrum X, Y, Z, my thought process behind that.

[00:08:03] Can I hold him to 11 for 30? Yeah, you're still getting your points,

[00:08:06] but you're not efficient. You're not involved in everybody else.

[00:08:10] Nobody else is really touching the ball or cannot turn this into.

[00:08:14] I don't know if I necessarily want to do this,

[00:08:16] but can I turn this into a you and Kyrie take turns?

[00:08:19] You know, like this was your four minutes right here.

[00:08:22] Now it's my turn to go off for two minutes

[00:08:24] or so on and so forth, because that way P.J.

[00:08:27] Washington is standing in the corner, not touching the ball.

[00:08:30] Derek Jones isn't getting touches was lively and Gafford are relying

[00:08:35] on either Alup's or, you know, but they're not involved,

[00:08:39] you know, and like right now we're seeing it.

[00:08:42] Boston's moving the ball.

[00:08:43] They're swinging it around and they're getting they've already taken nine threes.

[00:08:48] Right. And they're up to right now.

[00:08:49] I'm by my account.

[00:08:51] And, you know, to where is when I'm looking at when I'm looking at Dallas,

[00:08:55] I'm seeing a whole lot of Kyrie and Luca right now.

[00:08:58] Like, and this is the problem is that when you're a team like Dallas,

[00:09:01] I feel that you have to get your others involved early.

[00:09:06] You know, like P.J.

[00:09:07] Washington needs two to three shots in the first five minutes of this game.

[00:09:13] You know, Derek Jones, even if he doesn't shoot it,

[00:09:16] he just needs to have the ball in his hand for, you know,

[00:09:20] six seconds out of every few possessions, you know, just to be engaged,

[00:09:25] just to be involved.

[00:09:26] So whereas it's a where's like I know my head is not moving.

[00:09:29] I mean, but I'm listening.

[00:09:30] I'm just watching the sequence because I was like,

[00:09:32] I noticed a couple of things I want to just kind of bring up.

[00:09:34] Oh, go for it. Go for it. Yeah.

[00:09:35] OK.

[00:09:37] Well, it look, it just made some incredibly difficult shot just now.

[00:09:41] They get the foul calls upset.

[00:09:43] Boston's already shot 10 threes.

[00:09:44] I think that three for 10 from three.

[00:09:47] But it looks like defensively

[00:09:50] they're using the guy garden, Derek Jones, Jr.

[00:09:54] as like the extra defender that's watching Luca. Right.

[00:09:58] And then collapsing on him when he gets the ball or like giving him

[00:10:01] an open three, but he was just around the hoop and they just collapse

[00:10:04] on him because he's not crafty around the hoop unless he's Duncan.

[00:10:08] I'm going to see if they do it again.

[00:10:09] If you sit on the floor, I'm going to see if they do it again.

[00:10:11] Right. And I was going to go during that Jason

[00:10:13] Kittle have to adjust to.

[00:10:15] Yeah, because you see if he's still on the floor.

[00:10:18] He's not on the floor. So let's see what they do.

[00:10:20] Yeah, but I do green because that dude green has been kind of

[00:10:23] looks like it looks like I'm at five twenty three.

[00:10:27] And I thought that I'm at five twenty four.

[00:10:29] Pershinga still taking his second free throw on my screen.

[00:10:32] All right. So that's all.

[00:10:33] I was trying to see if that's Hardy on the floor.

[00:10:35] Yeah. Hardy's on the floor. OK. Yeah.

[00:10:37] Yeah. That's how you get the ball right now.

[00:10:39] So these are the minutes that are going to count.

[00:10:42] You know, what can that can Dallas

[00:10:45] stay in the game with these lineups like or is Luka going to have to be Superman?

[00:10:50] You know, that's that's the question, because now you may enter that territory

[00:10:54] where he's trying to do so much early that later in the game,

[00:10:59] you know, you start affecting his legs or, you know, and I know,

[00:11:02] you know, with you, you like to point out they're young.

[00:11:05] You know, I mean, they should be all right.

[00:11:07] But you know, but like I was bringing up with Anthony Edwards

[00:11:09] in the last series, he is young.

[00:11:12] But this is the first time that Anthony Edwards had that type of

[00:11:18] that usage, I guess, you know,

[00:11:21] and I don't think they made the adjustments offensively

[00:11:25] that got Minnesota easy points, which made him have to press

[00:11:30] on Dallas's offensive players even more. Right.

[00:11:33] See, and this is the type of stuff I'm talking about.

[00:11:35] This shot that P.J. Washington just took over Porzingis.

[00:11:38] I know he was probably trying to draw a foul or whatever,

[00:11:41] but that's what you don't want P.J. Washington doing.

[00:11:44] You know, like P.J. Washington should take a page out of the P.J.

[00:11:48] Tucker book, you know, for the time being.

[00:11:51] Stand in the corner, stand in the corner, do your thing,

[00:11:54] like opportunity, get Porzingis to the basket, get him there,

[00:11:58] get him in the air, make that pass to your big desk trailing

[00:12:01] and get your big some easy buckets early to whereas like,

[00:12:05] I don't think Lively and Gaffer are going to slack defensively per se.

[00:12:09] Yeah, you know, Sam, but sometimes

[00:12:12] if I'm not touching the ball on offense, you know, I'm not in my groove.

[00:12:17] Yeah, right. I'm not in my groove.

[00:12:19] I'm not I'm not myself right now until that happens.

[00:12:22] And you can't and we're already,

[00:12:24] you know, a third of the way through the quarter.

[00:12:27] You know what I mean? And Lucas just out here fiery.

[00:12:30] It's been very, very Lucas centric.

[00:12:32] And I guess you can look at it like, OK, well,

[00:12:35] Luca gets on, he's hot.

[00:12:37] And then we can get these other guys going in the second quarter.

[00:12:41] But it can also be a danger where the L.A.

[00:12:44] Brown Shack the fool.

[00:12:46] You could get like Derek White.

[00:12:48] He gets a few that drop and now he's hot.

[00:12:52] But that boss has four turnover so far.

[00:12:55] I think I like Dallas only to three.

[00:12:56] Yeah. Uh huh.

[00:12:58] So here comes more, Luca.

[00:12:59] There's the pass. Josh Green pull up.

[00:13:02] Nope. And see, and that's where you got to finish.

[00:13:05] You can't just try to float it out from 14 feet or whatever.

[00:13:09] You got to go all the way to the basket.

[00:13:11] You know, because because Boston is a deep team.

[00:13:14] So any opportunity you have

[00:13:17] to get a foul against them, you need to take it.

[00:13:20] Yeah. But what's what's it called?

[00:13:22] Dallas. What are they doing?

[00:13:24] They're an old.

[00:13:25] They're a team of ultimate just role players. Right.

[00:13:28] Like they got their two stars out of Ferraris

[00:13:31] and then they have a lot of like utility pick up truck.

[00:13:35] And it's all right.

[00:13:36] So Tyrese, you know, Drew Holiday is coming back in now.

[00:13:40] And that's and that's my move.

[00:13:42] Even if I don't have Drew Holiday guarding Kyrie all the time,

[00:13:46] just put it back in the game when Tyrese out the game.

[00:13:49] Come over here and get a breather real quick.

[00:13:51] You know, because I'm going to need you.

[00:13:52] So whenever Kyrie's on the floor, you're on the floor,

[00:13:55] even if you're not his direct defender sometimes.

[00:13:58] You know, so here's Porzingis so far so good.

[00:14:00] You know, as far as movement, he doesn't look like he's hesitating

[00:14:03] or and there's a dunk.

[00:14:05] So he doesn't look like he's hesitating or that he's playing gimp.

[00:14:08] Or he's in his head right now.

[00:14:10] So, you know, that's a good sign to for three so far.

[00:14:14] Six points early.

[00:14:15] So that's got to be confidence boosting.

[00:14:17] And that's only going to help Boston.

[00:14:19] Here they are challenging Porzingis again,

[00:14:21] but not being smart about how they're challenging him.

[00:14:24] It's hard to challenge a guy that's seven foot three.

[00:14:26] They're just out of control right now.

[00:14:28] Like, I don't like it looks like Dallas doesn't have a game plan outside of

[00:14:33] y'all got somebody's got to take shots.

[00:14:35] That's what their game plan looks like.

[00:14:37] Porzingis is Draymond.

[00:14:39] Oh, boy. Ironically, he Draymond a dude named Green.

[00:14:42] Yeah. And we got it all set up.

[00:14:45] We got Boston up 10 to 20 left in the first quarter.

[00:14:48] So speaking of Draymond Green, you know, I saw him talking about

[00:14:53] your angel or not Angel Reese, Kennedy Carter,

[00:14:56] you know, saying I feel you like, you know, to me, like

[00:15:00] not answering the questions about Caitlin.

[00:15:02] I'm with you right there. You have that the right way.

[00:15:05] First of all, I don't know if Draymond is the person that you want to sign.

[00:15:08] Yeah, you want to get press conference advice from you can get

[00:15:13] media advice, the podcast. He's great on TNT.

[00:15:17] I foresee him getting one of those NBC jobs that the NBA has at 11 year

[00:15:22] 76 billion dollar deal.

[00:15:23] I can see him sliding in there and playing a role there.

[00:15:27] But yeah, the press conference Draymond, you know, on press conference.

[00:15:29] Yeah, you don't. Yeah, you don't want that Draymond.

[00:15:31] You know what I mean? And you know, and I'm all for

[00:15:35] and I know we talked about this a little bit the other night,

[00:15:38] but I'm all for

[00:15:41] the way Kennedy handled that from the standpoint of

[00:15:45] are you going to own that?

[00:15:46] And from what we know about her past stories that we've heard

[00:15:49] about her having conflict in the past, she's not going to shy away

[00:15:53] from the attitude that she took the other day.

[00:15:56] So I'm fine with that, as long as you own it and don't complain and cry

[00:16:01] when it all mean that just because she's a woman.

[00:16:04] But but when the negative coverage comes your way,

[00:16:06] if you don't do the Dillon Brooks, don't own it.

[00:16:09] Own it. You don't come in

[00:16:11] in the rain address like Stone Cold Steve Austin.

[00:16:14] No right here acting like Stephanie McMahon when it gets tough.

[00:16:17] I mean, yeah.

[00:16:18] And honestly, like I said, long as authentic,

[00:16:20] long as authentic is within the confines,

[00:16:23] because I'm like, I'd so you know, if I'm playing a basketball game,

[00:16:26] if I'm telling my son and play game, I'm like, listen,

[00:16:28] if you're driving a ball, create contact on your way to the hoop.

[00:16:33] You know, it's even though they call fouls,

[00:16:36] basketball still is a contact sport.

[00:16:39] It might be a situation where we talked about this before

[00:16:42] with Patrick Ewing in the national championship game.

[00:16:44] John Thompson was like, you'll take everything.

[00:16:46] And he gave him like 10 or 12 points because he just wanted to show them

[00:16:50] like, hey, this is how high my center can jump.

[00:16:53] You're not getting any in the.

[00:16:55] You know, what about Pat?

[00:16:56] Yeah. So it's like there's there's different ways to kind of assert yourself

[00:17:00] and get people out of the game because we've seen it happen.

[00:17:02] Like we talked about Luka game one against OKC.

[00:17:04] He was complaining to the rest the whole time.

[00:17:06] Game two, he had a smile on his face.

[00:17:08] I think he dropped like 30 something that looked very fluid.

[00:17:11] OKC was pretty much never in the game because, you know,

[00:17:14] his attitude was more in line with like, OK, let me be me.

[00:17:18] If that's how she going to play ball, just play ball.

[00:17:20] Just just understand that because you've already kind of generated

[00:17:25] this narrative surrounding you and then bringing up whatever happened in the past.

[00:17:28] We never know what sparked whatever fight, whatever teammate,

[00:17:32] whatever conversation, because I know it's a lot of people

[00:17:35] that we deal with in life that deserve to get cussed out on a daily basis.

[00:17:39] It might be some groups of people, might be some people that are your

[00:17:43] your supervisors or leadership, wherever you work.

[00:17:45] You might need to custom out.

[00:17:47] You might want to slap somebody.

[00:17:48] I've never I'm not going to act like I never been there.

[00:17:50] I've been there.

[00:17:51] So we never know what the reason is for why she went to the,

[00:17:56] you know, the length that she went to.

[00:17:57] But whatever it was, she made amends because she's back in the league.

[00:18:00] And I like she did something so detrimental

[00:18:01] that she couldn't play professionally anymore.

[00:18:03] So right with that being said, it's like, hey, you're going to get that.

[00:18:07] I don't know about people running up on her like right.

[00:18:11] Caitlin Clark Knight is at least I tell people all the time.

[00:18:14] Let's open this. I saw a video of a Saints fan

[00:18:16] fight, a Falcons fan outside the stadium.

[00:18:19] I'm like, listen, Arthur Blanks not paying your your bail money

[00:18:22] because you defend the Falcons. Right.

[00:18:25] What is your landscape?

[00:18:27] And see, and that's why I like, you know, going back to the whole,

[00:18:31] you know, conundrum that that league is facing.

[00:18:35] This is kind of where I am.

[00:18:37] You know, everybody's talking about how Kate was drawing the attention.

[00:18:40] Right. And absolutely.

[00:18:42] She's the supernova that has come through the spark, the spark.

[00:18:46] You had a spark when you started. Right.

[00:18:48] And then but right now, you know, you got to Tom back to back champion.

[00:18:53] You know, Asia Wilson right now averaging 28 and 12

[00:18:57] with three assists and three steals.

[00:18:59] You know nothing.

[00:19:01] You know, you got the Connecticut Sun undefeated

[00:19:05] only undefeated team in the league right now.

[00:19:07] And guess what?

[00:19:07] The Aces aren't even in first place in the West.

[00:19:10] That's the Minnesota Lynx.

[00:19:12] So on a day like today, I get where, you know,

[00:19:16] the Lakers have reached out to Danny Hurley.

[00:19:18] I get that. That's a big story.

[00:19:20] I get he's the back to back national champion at Utah.

[00:19:23] Holy crap. Are they going to get him?

[00:19:25] Jason Tatum and poor Zing is back in the back threes.

[00:19:28] OK, you're in line.

[00:19:29] I'm at one.

[00:19:30] Oh, I'm at one minute right now.

[00:19:32] Yeah, that's where I'm at too.

[00:19:34] And this is what I thought. Oh, the block.

[00:19:36] This is what I was talking about earlier.

[00:19:38] This is or the other day.

[00:19:39] This is what I let a house and not just went down.

[00:19:41] Oh, no. Oh, oh, oh, oh.

[00:19:44] Tell you that's what I was telling you the other day

[00:19:48] when these when the role players see the star players getting that

[00:19:53] they just, you know, he didn't even hesitate.

[00:19:55] That's the first thing I see them hit the whole playoffs.

[00:19:57] Well, and I watched a lot of Boston's games

[00:19:59] now pushing out their battle and rebound with a 610 guy.

[00:20:03] And this is what I was talking about, whereas like for Dallas

[00:20:07] to win this series or and I know this is very early.

[00:20:10] It's the first quarter.

[00:20:11] I don't want to overreact.

[00:20:12] They got blown out by OKC.

[00:20:14] Right, right. I don't want to overreact.

[00:20:16] But this is what I kind of saw where I was saying

[00:20:19] if Dallas wins games in this series, it's going to come down to the wire.

[00:20:24] It's going to be out executing Boston.

[00:20:26] Jason Tatum taking dumb shots down the stretch.

[00:20:29] You know what I mean?

[00:20:29] Boston can blow you out.

[00:20:31] You know what I mean?

[00:20:32] Like Boston can bust your ass for lack of better words.

[00:20:36] You know what I mean?

[00:20:37] But back to the WNBA for a second.

[00:20:39] But you know, but the Minnesota links are in first place right now.

[00:20:42] So a day like today where we're talking about Danny Hurley,

[00:20:46] you know, being a candidate for the Lakers and all this kind of stuff.

[00:20:49] I don't even know how serious it is from the standpoint

[00:20:51] of Danny Hurley being interested in the job.

[00:20:54] I've heard Monty Williams's name brought out there.

[00:20:56] He ain't even got fired yet.

[00:20:58] But these are the days where I get fired.

[00:21:00] You got to pay him out.

[00:21:02] You know, six million dollars.

[00:21:03] The only cost me two million.

[00:21:06] But these are the days where I understand that you're going to have Lakers

[00:21:10] segments and you can still talk about the Lakers for 20 minutes at a time.

[00:21:15] Just give a four minute section over here to, hey,

[00:21:19] transitioning to on the court, you know, whatever.

[00:21:22] And that's it.

[00:21:23] You can still talk about Kaitlin if you need to.

[00:21:26] But just a four minute segment, because before you could argue

[00:21:29] two, three years ago, you could argue nobody's here for the WNBA,

[00:21:33] whether it was true or not.

[00:21:34] It probably was true because nobody was talking about it.

[00:21:37] Nobody's here for it.

[00:21:38] X, Y, Z, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:21:40] So are we here for the WNBA or are we here for Kaitlin?

[00:21:43] At some point, you got to talk about it to figure that out.

[00:21:47] I think what people are going to come to realize is that

[00:21:50] it's more entertaining

[00:21:53] and more and more dynastic than we have previously expected.

[00:21:59] I think that's what people are going to kind of wrap their heads on like,

[00:22:01] Oh, this is this is all right.

[00:22:03] Like these women are balling.

[00:22:05] The personalities are legit.

[00:22:07] I think people are going to kind of recognize that this is an entertaining

[00:22:12] aspect of sportwear before.

[00:22:14] Because if you think about and I think the NCAA women's game,

[00:22:19] it helps that out because, like I said, we all remember

[00:22:22] the WNBA players when they were in college.

[00:22:25] We remember Tennessee to UConn matchups.

[00:22:28] We remember, you know, Don Staley.

[00:22:31] Remember, like even if you go to like even women's soccer,

[00:22:35] like so people have watched women's sports.

[00:22:38] I just think that when the argument or the conversation about equal

[00:22:41] pay and everything else, that's when people start to kind of divide

[00:22:44] and like, oh, yeah, like, oh, well, you only do this.

[00:22:47] You only do that.

[00:22:48] And I think it takes smart people saying smart things like,

[00:22:51] are you a sinister example?

[00:22:52] Serena Williams, they asked her about playing like some of the top men.

[00:22:56] She was like, yo, the top men in our sport

[00:23:00] like serve the ball 130 miles an hour, like even the guy

[00:23:05] that might be outside of top 100 is still serving the ball

[00:23:08] 125, 130 miles an hour.

[00:23:10] Like, that's not that's not our game is women.

[00:23:13] He's like she's like, I win a lot of mine because I can serve faster

[00:23:16] than most of the other women, but I don't serve faster than most of the men.

[00:23:20] And it's not that this dismisses

[00:23:22] herself as just an honest conversation.

[00:23:23] I think people just have really had an honest conversation about it.

[00:23:26] So let me ask you a quick question before we move on.

[00:23:28] I saw this on X earlier, AKA Twitter, just a random person.

[00:23:33] This isn't a sports media person, just a random person having a conversation.

[00:23:39] Is it possible and I know it's early and I know that's what you're going to tell me.

[00:23:44] Is it possible?

[00:23:45] I don't know if something different is it possible that Caitlin Clark

[00:23:49] is more JJ Reddick than she is Steph Curry?

[00:23:53] No, well, obviously it's possible.

[00:23:56] OK, without saying too early, I just don't understand.

[00:24:00] I think what it came down to is that what she was doing

[00:24:05] in college and Iowa in those big 10 games, not many women,

[00:24:11] even the women at WBA weren't playing, handling the ball,

[00:24:15] shooting pull up threes the way she was.

[00:24:17] She did have the ultimate green light, which is, you know, that's that

[00:24:21] helps, but she had the ultimate green light and she was knocking it down.

[00:24:25] And she was knocking it down.

[00:24:27] LeBron won state championships in high school and he was one of the most

[00:24:31] dominant players in the league and in high school nationwide.

[00:24:36] Come Atlanta, they were all playing games, all kill games like that.

[00:24:39] And when he got to the league, he averaged like 21 points

[00:24:41] his first year he struggled.

[00:24:43] And then eventually he got to the point where 27, 7 and 7

[00:24:47] was just commonplace. It was just normal.

[00:24:49] Yeah, it was just normal. So it takes a couple of years.

[00:24:53] We all talk about Kobe, Kobe's first few years.

[00:24:56] He couldn't even get the consistent run.

[00:24:58] And I know I'm talking about two greats, but we often think about

[00:25:02] like how their careers ended right.

[00:25:05] And I realized again how it began.

[00:25:08] And I'm not saying she's going to send these, but it's no

[00:25:11] there's no reason to believe that she can't, you know,

[00:25:15] replicate what she did in college because she still has the ball

[00:25:17] handling skills. She still can shoot the ball.

[00:25:20] She passed the hell out the ball, too.

[00:25:22] She can pass the ball. She's a willing passer.

[00:25:24] She's you know, so she she has basketball intangibles.

[00:25:27] She starts to work on the maturity and getting

[00:25:31] getting out of her own feelings, just playing basketball.

[00:25:34] And then her teammates have to kind of rally around this idea like,

[00:25:36] yeah, we have the golden goose here in our locker room

[00:25:41] who's also talented.

[00:25:42] It wasn't like she's being like highly touted.

[00:25:45] If she was had a mediocre career and she just

[00:25:49] she's just white.

[00:25:50] We want to use as a great white height like they do with boxing sometimes.

[00:25:54] She's actually talented.

[00:25:55] She's proven it by being the all time leading score.

[00:25:58] Granted, under controversy, Ashritz, but

[00:26:02] it's like she she got to that point.

[00:26:04] She has more points.

[00:26:06] You know, how's his own one?

[00:26:08] So so he didn't even catch that all the way.

[00:26:12] Hey, two more quick questions, two more quick questions real quick.

[00:26:15] So so one, if you're the WNBA, do you do the thing?

[00:26:19] Do you put Caitlin in the All-Star game or whatever?

[00:26:22] Or like, you know, to be like just because she has brought that notoriety

[00:26:26] to the league, even if she doesn't necessarily.

[00:26:29] If you do I know like the NFL,

[00:26:32] I believe Major League Baseball does this like every team has to be represented.

[00:26:38] So maybe they create some kind of rookie versus sophomore game.

[00:26:44] I don't know if the women's I don't know if they have that kind of format.

[00:26:48] Maybe they just kind of take a page at NBA book

[00:26:52] and just find a way to highlight because we've over with a highlight.

[00:26:55] Do you see that? Right. They promote.

[00:26:58] Oh, she's in the Gatorade commercial.

[00:27:00] Yeah. No, no.

[00:27:01] I was just talking about the game on Saturday.

[00:27:03] You know, they had that up on the screen. Yeah.

[00:27:05] But go ahead.

[00:27:06] Yeah. So it's just we remember Kyrie when he crossed up Brevin

[00:27:09] Knight in that rookie versus sophomore game.

[00:27:13] Yeah. That'd be that'd be.

[00:27:14] Oh, I'm at nine fifty four.

[00:27:16] Am I missing something?

[00:27:17] I was just talking about the jail and Brown Dunk.

[00:27:20] That was I think you've passed me now.

[00:27:23] But no, like I mean, it was Brandon Knight, but I get your point.

[00:27:27] Yeah. You know, but so my second question real quick,

[00:27:31] if Caitlin doesn't make an all star game by next season,

[00:27:35] do you have faith that the WNBA

[00:27:41] can keep people interested enough otherwise to maintain

[00:27:45] what we're building right now?

[00:27:46] Which which I think what she's what she knows how to do

[00:27:49] and what she does well works.

[00:27:52] She's a three point shooter.

[00:27:54] She might just have to just get a little stronger,

[00:27:56] a little tougher, a little smarter.

[00:27:58] Offensively, they might have to come up with better schemes

[00:28:02] to get her open, to get her these looks where she can do

[00:28:05] what she has to like.

[00:28:06] Steph Curry is this as a point guard.

[00:28:10] But I've never seen him throw, you know, have 11 to 12 assists

[00:28:15] and back to that game.

[00:28:16] Don't think this ever happened.

[00:28:17] Or she could be Reggie Miller, I guess.

[00:28:19] But Indiana.

[00:28:20] But what he does for Golden State is he just gets open.

[00:28:24] He just lists as a point guard.

[00:28:26] So this this got to fix their scheme.

[00:28:28] And then she has to fix her, you know, her resolve

[00:28:32] to ensure that she knows she can handle

[00:28:35] handle those kind of moments. Right.

[00:28:37] It's not wrong.

[00:28:38] It's nothing wrong with struggling being new.

[00:28:41] Like my son's a freshman on the track team and he was like

[00:28:44] somewhat upset that, you know, he didn't get, you know, more varsity.

[00:28:47] Well, I'm like, oh, you never ran track before.

[00:28:49] You never you never ran at this level before you played football before.

[00:28:52] So you you earned it like you earned those positions

[00:28:55] that you played football, football, right?

[00:28:57] Basketball, you you played basketball before.

[00:28:59] So you only 15, but you'll play with the 17 you team

[00:29:03] because this is what you do.

[00:29:04] You just have to wait until you are not wait,

[00:29:07] but just build up to get to that point.

[00:29:09] I think she has to build up to where she gets to win.

[00:29:12] In the meantime, they got to go start making sure

[00:29:15] that they highlight other teams and coaches and women in their league.

[00:29:21] They have to because it's going to fade because the NBA is going away

[00:29:25] in two weeks.

[00:29:27] You got 17 days, 17 calendar days between game one and a potential game seven.

[00:29:33] Yes. So the all-star game.

[00:29:34] And football is going to take over the conversation.

[00:29:36] So over the next two and a half weeks,

[00:29:39] you better start highlighting coast to coast.

[00:29:41] So people are talking about you at one o'clock in the morning

[00:29:45] on the East Coast and ten o'clock at night on the West Coast

[00:29:47] because you got aces versus links games on.

[00:29:52] Right. So so the WNBA All-Star game is on July 20th

[00:29:57] and the playoffs start September 22nd.

[00:30:02] It's going to be a little later because of the Olympic break.

[00:30:05] Oh, you know, so so that was so long.

[00:30:08] So so that's going to be the problem that they run into

[00:30:10] because they were invited to NFL season, which we're about to go into,

[00:30:15] which NFL season is literally not taking a break. Right.

[00:30:20] And so so to the NFL, you know, we were kind of joking about this earlier.

[00:30:25] But, you know, like, hey, Eagles and Packers,

[00:30:29] you have been warned, do not wear the green when you hit Brazil.

[00:30:34] So I was going to ask you, I was pretty sure that means weather out chilling.

[00:30:39] Right. But are they not doing any press events?

[00:30:42] I don't know. But I was going to ask you

[00:30:45] just for the fact that that even has to be a conversation.

[00:30:49] And I'm sure we're over exaggerating it somewhat.

[00:30:52] Being that that's a conversation.

[00:30:53] What's some wise, wise, wise, wise, the game in Brazil.

[00:30:56] Why is the game in Brazil?

[00:30:57] Yeah. So that's so that so now you're heading to my question.

[00:31:00] So where else do you think it would be beneficial

[00:31:04] for the NFL to have games to build their international goals?

[00:31:10] Like what other places on the planet do you think could fill that up?

[00:31:14] Europe, Vancouver, Toronto, London, Germany.

[00:31:22] Mexico City. That's it.

[00:31:25] And nowhere in Asia. No.

[00:31:27] OK. First of all, they don't play football.

[00:31:31] They like basketball.

[00:31:32] Basketball has faced like the the the faceless athlete

[00:31:37] does not survive in Asia.

[00:31:40] They have cricket. That's their world. That's their sport.

[00:31:43] Yeah. Shout out to USA, by the way, beat Pakistan and cricket today.

[00:31:47] That's somebody else.

[00:31:49] Yeah. I have a guy.

[00:31:51] I'm going to come up.

[00:31:52] Somebody somebody made a lot of money over this.

[00:31:54] Scandals coming out.

[00:31:55] Give me two years for the documentary.

[00:31:58] Lance Armstrong.

[00:32:00] Yeah, it's coming out.

[00:32:00] This you should just say USA.

[00:32:02] Oh, well, Vegas. Yeah.

[00:32:05] So but yeah, go ahead.

[00:32:07] So yeah, you got Vancouver, Toronto.

[00:32:09] You can play games there.

[00:32:11] London, not even all of England, just London.

[00:32:14] And near one of the military bases in Germany.

[00:32:20] So like not Berlin, because that's too far.

[00:32:22] Most of the military bases are in southwest Germany and Sauerland.

[00:32:26] That's the state like the Southwest.

[00:32:29] Berlin is way at the top.

[00:32:30] So yeah, they had teams, what a cologne and rain, you know?

[00:32:35] Yeah, they had teams in Cologne and rain.

[00:32:37] But that's near where like any Americans that are stationed there

[00:32:41] or any kind of American influence is kind of prominent.

[00:32:44] That's the area you have musical influences, obviously with America.

[00:32:48] But as far as like an American presence,

[00:32:50] Frankfurt, Dusseldorf, Cologne, one of these major soccer

[00:32:55] stadiums or football stadiums in that part of Sauerland.

[00:32:59] And I think that's it realistically, because being I've been the

[00:33:03] I've been to Seoul, Korea.

[00:33:06] They're not football fans.

[00:33:07] You don't see like football jerseys.

[00:33:09] You see a lot of basketball.

[00:33:10] I was wondering if somewhere like Japan might be worth it to just give it a shot,

[00:33:15] because I mean, like in business, you have to take risk or you

[00:33:18] you know, if you want to grow and do certain things, there's certain avenues

[00:33:23] you have to roll.

[00:33:23] So I'm not saying that they need to do an Asia tour, but,

[00:33:26] you know, maybe Japan or China could.

[00:33:29] I know China's got the basketball thing.

[00:33:32] China is they they love basketball.

[00:33:35] So maybe that basketball and the American athlete, you get the football.

[00:33:40] But I mean, we had the Olympics.

[00:33:41] So you have that kind of influence.

[00:33:43] But I just don't know.

[00:33:44] They don't play the sport in their country at all.

[00:33:48] And they're not really even big in like soccer.

[00:33:51] Like they played there was baseball

[00:33:53] and this lot of individual sports and is basketball.

[00:33:55] So do you I don't know if you have a fan base.

[00:33:59] I mean, you think as far as South America,

[00:34:02] since obviously that's the continent that Brazil resides on.

[00:34:07] Do you think Argentina would have been a better choice?

[00:34:09] Or do you think we're in South America?

[00:34:11] A good choice. I think was a bad choice altogether.

[00:34:13] Just out. OK, just out.

[00:34:15] It just it just out.

[00:34:17] It didn't it didn't make sense when I first heard it.

[00:34:20] And I get that every place you can highlight is like all crime ridden.

[00:34:24] Like I looked up 10 places in Jersey to avoid.

[00:34:28] And one of them was the city right outside the gate.

[00:34:30] Like so I get that, you know, the perspective from outside

[00:34:34] without being there is like it's different.

[00:34:38] Was somebody says something?

[00:34:39] Yeah, just yeah.

[00:34:41] So I just think I'm not understanding.

[00:34:45] I don't understand what audience they're trying to pull in from Brazil

[00:34:51] as if the American audience isn't full on

[00:34:56] making budgets to make sure they pay for NFL

[00:35:00] Sunday ticket, Amazon, Peacock.

[00:35:04] We're already doing all this other stuff as fans.

[00:35:06] I have Paramount for once you will a couple of years ago.

[00:35:10] I paid for something else.

[00:35:13] Peacock, that's why I have Peacock for Super Bowl with the Bengals.

[00:35:17] Ram Super Bowl.

[00:35:19] I pay for Peacock and the Peacock for like two years.

[00:35:21] There's some good shows on.

[00:35:22] I think the office is still one in New Girl.

[00:35:24] I'm not sure.

[00:35:24] I believe that worked. That's the SVU.

[00:35:26] That's all Peacock got from me.

[00:35:28] And then I got, you know, I might watch it.

[00:35:31] I get one of these days.

[00:35:32] I watched reruns of Parks and Rec.

[00:35:33] You know, I rock with those shows in Paramount.

[00:35:36] I literally don't use at all.

[00:35:38] I use Paramount for March Madness and I use it for March Madness.

[00:35:42] But yeah.

[00:35:43] So the American fan base is already

[00:35:47] billions of dollars invested into your product.

[00:35:50] I don't know why you're out here trying to get Brazilians

[00:35:53] and Argentinians and Chileans to

[00:35:59] how much more money do you need?

[00:36:01] Well, I mean, I think if you look at and obviously this is like more

[00:36:04] broad scaled, if you will.

[00:36:06] But like looking at soccer, right?

[00:36:08] I guess the real football, you know,

[00:36:12] the English Premier League is the best soccer league in the world. Correct.

[00:36:16] You know, and the Premier League has an American audience.

[00:36:21] No, no, they have a big American audience.

[00:36:24] They don't play regular season games in St. Louis. Correct. Correct.

[00:36:27] But they don't think the best.

[00:36:29] They don't need to, but they don't need to.

[00:36:31] Because they don't they don't play games.

[00:36:33] You got to remember in Trenton.

[00:36:36] Well, you got to remember they don't need to.

[00:36:38] So so the way that now that it's NFL, because the NFL is not going to

[00:36:41] because you're not going to create you're not going to with.

[00:36:46] Hey, Adam.

[00:36:48] Yeah, like, you know, great.

[00:36:49] You're not going to create enough a buzz to where

[00:36:52] you're not going to create football leagues.

[00:36:53] You're not going to get football players from Brazil or South America.

[00:36:58] All right.

[00:36:59] So last thing, the players coming out of Texas, Louisiana,

[00:37:03] Florida and California to fill your NFL.

[00:37:05] So so real quick, last question on that.

[00:37:08] Do you think that's why NFL Europe and all of that didn't work?

[00:37:12] Or do you think it was mismanaged in some ways?

[00:37:15] I think it just wasn't it just is competing.

[00:37:19] You're a local brand competing with competing with the global brand

[00:37:23] that's established that is literally already ingratiated

[00:37:27] so to every other place on the planet, everybody fast as first half, by the way.

[00:37:32] Every country that has a great soccer program

[00:37:38] probably has a great national team.

[00:37:40] They've been featured in the World Cup.

[00:37:43] They already a lot then and they're locked into the European leagues.

[00:37:47] And that's why those are the best leagues,

[00:37:49] because the world's best players go to Europe.

[00:37:53] The only players in the world who play football are here.

[00:37:56] You got a few guys that play rugby from New Zealand.

[00:38:00] Few guys in the international plan that, you know, NFL is trying to incorporate.

[00:38:04] But it's just to know it's taken away

[00:38:08] a home game from a Philly faithful fan grand.

[00:38:12] I know they added the 17 games, so you might still get eight home games.

[00:38:16] But if I'm wasting if you're wasting a Christmas home game,

[00:38:20] I know it's a schedule, but like a Christmas game, for instance,

[00:38:24] Jacksonville played two games in England back to back weeks.

[00:38:29] Right. Last year, what like their fans just flat out,

[00:38:33] unless they wanted to fly to England to watch them play,

[00:38:36] which is probably quicker than flying England and as a flight of Seattle.

[00:38:39] But the fact that they put that with that team up there for two weeks.

[00:38:44] So that's that's that's all of this for me, because I think you're already

[00:38:49] I think your expansion in your brand is already as far as it's going to get.

[00:38:55] You're just at this point, you're just taking away home game opportunities

[00:38:59] for the local fans that pay.

[00:39:02] Like I said a few years ago, it was something like

[00:39:04] and you probably can test it as being in Texas.

[00:39:06] And I think you went to a Cowboys game.

[00:39:09] It was seven hundred eighty nine dollars for a family of four

[00:39:12] to go to one Cowboys game that's sitting in a nosebleed.

[00:39:15] That was probably like six or seven years ago.

[00:39:17] Now we're probably like a hundred.

[00:39:19] I went to the game on Thanksgiving, this past Thanksgiving,

[00:39:23] me and one other person.

[00:39:25] We were sitting in section four forty five.

[00:39:28] And one that three hundred four hundred.

[00:39:31] Right. And that was about six fifty just for the tickets.

[00:39:36] So that's not including the food yet.

[00:39:38] You know, gas, whatever the case may be, since I'm down here in San Antonio.

[00:39:42] But then on top of that, luckily, you know, I got this

[00:39:46] disability so I can get into parking for free.

[00:39:49] But parking was one hundred and twenty bucks outside.

[00:39:52] What's one hundred and twenty bucks?

[00:39:54] The cheapest. What's the cheapest I saw was 80 bucks.

[00:39:58] Yeah. Hold up.

[00:39:59] One hundred and twenty dollars.

[00:40:01] I thought it was forty at MetLife.

[00:40:04] And I went to the game in December when it was raining.

[00:40:06] And I think the park lot of tens like so I got there

[00:40:08] probably two, three minutes into the first quarter because, you know, mostly.

[00:40:12] Right. And so I parked and I like I pulled up

[00:40:16] and I parked right by the stadium, like literally like I'm in like the stadium.

[00:40:20] And then it's like that section of parking right there.

[00:40:22] I'm like looking around like this can't be right.

[00:40:25] Like these gates shouldn't be open. I'm in the wrong spot.

[00:40:27] So I got my car and there's a guy getting out his car.

[00:40:30] And I thought I saw a placard hanging.

[00:40:31] Like, did you pay for parking?

[00:40:33] Like, what is it? He was like, you know, I think he's like,

[00:40:35] I think it costs, but I don't see any parking attendance.

[00:40:38] Like I said, it was cold rain in December.

[00:40:40] They're like, they don't care.

[00:40:41] But it's normally 40, right?

[00:40:43] And $120 a park at a park that is already built.

[00:40:46] And this is right outside the stadium, like any any parking,

[00:40:50] any paved parking, like right outside of AT&T.

[00:40:53] Yeah. So so so like most.

[00:40:55] So a lot of stadiums that I've been to,

[00:40:57] especially more so on the college football side,

[00:41:00] there's areas, supermarkets, whatever,

[00:41:03] where you can find a little spot and just go around the corner or whatever.

[00:41:07] You know, where AT&T is, it's just a whole like like

[00:41:12] there's no plazas.

[00:41:13] There's just like here's a little Caesar's, here's a T-Mobile or whatever.

[00:41:18] And it's just those miniature parking lots.

[00:41:22] So you almost have to park at the stadium.

[00:41:25] You know that I went to are I went to Levi's Stadium

[00:41:29] for the Pac 12 championship in 2018.

[00:41:33] And we ended up parking

[00:41:36] at like a mechanic spot

[00:41:40] a couple of blocks away from the stadium.

[00:41:42] But that was 30.

[00:41:43] But like every business was like offering parking.

[00:41:48] They would put no signs in to win enforced or you could pay 30.

[00:41:52] It was like I think it was 50 at the stadium.

[00:41:55] 40 was he walked like a half a block and then like a full block away was 30.

[00:41:59] And it's the same thing like I think in Green Bay,

[00:42:01] a lot of people pretty much pay their mortgage

[00:42:06] of charging people to park on their grass.

[00:42:10] You know, we're getting called out.

[00:42:12] I like it.

[00:42:13] Oh, but we're not talking about the NBA.

[00:42:15] Yeah. You know, it's a 27 game.

[00:42:18] We started off the first half hour with the NBA.

[00:42:21] Now we're talking about a little bit of everything.

[00:42:23] This is not an NBA show.

[00:42:25] It is a sports show.

[00:42:26] Sports podcast.

[00:42:29] So while there's a 27 point game on, we're just, you know,

[00:42:32] just chatting a little bit.

[00:42:33] Yes.

[00:42:34] They have been.

[00:42:35] It's the same thing that happened when Dallas was beating the breaks off

[00:42:39] Minnesota is like, yeah, I mean, it's 25 point game right now.

[00:42:43] 250 left in the first half, which has gone by super fast.

[00:42:48] Yeah, that's what I said.

[00:42:48] Like this is a very fast first half.

[00:42:50] And part of it is Boston's jacking a bunch of threes.

[00:42:53] So the clock is just running.

[00:42:55] Dallas is just running into people begging for fouls.

[00:42:59] You know, so I mean, at the end of the day, like, that's what you got.

[00:43:02] You know what I mean?

[00:43:03] And this is a sports show.

[00:43:04] You know, like you want us to talk about why Dallas is down by 27.

[00:43:08] Boston's hitting shots and they're not.

[00:43:10] Yeah, the same reason.

[00:43:12] I don't see.

[00:43:13] They like their role players, the loop to get them the ball.

[00:43:17] Bosses like we not let you get the ball.

[00:43:20] Right. But since I put it in the hashtag,

[00:43:22] I'm sorry, but I got one more place to go.

[00:43:25] You know, so I was looking at college football today.

[00:43:28] You know, now we're on commercial.

[00:43:30] So I'm a sneak some college football in real quick, if that's OK.

[00:43:32] Get back to the NBA.

[00:43:35] I don't support, though.

[00:43:37] I hit that like button now.

[00:43:39] You know, saying I was I was looking at, you know,

[00:43:43] we're getting closer to, you know, spring football is already over.

[00:43:47] We're heading into fall camps and all this kind of stuff coming up soon.

[00:43:51] And I was trying to find sleepers. Right.

[00:43:54] So, of course, you know, first and foremost, the Utah Utes,

[00:43:58] you know, bringing back their whole offense,

[00:44:00] including their quarterback that was injured for the whole season.

[00:44:05] You know, 30 years old.

[00:44:07] Yeah. The Kansas Jayhawks who are going to be playing

[00:44:10] a lot of home games at Arrowhead this year due to construction going on.

[00:44:16] You know, as I look around, the nation can ask them,

[00:44:19] you get off the ground and the ACC is there going to be an ACC in two years.

[00:44:24] You know, but I'll get off of college football.

[00:44:27] Just want to throw that out there real quick.

[00:44:28] So back to the NBA.

[00:44:30] So the Lakers, we were talking about Danny Hurley.

[00:44:33] So right now I got you.

[00:44:36] We got because it's all commercial right now.

[00:44:39] So we're at 60 to 33 Boston with 232 left in the second quarter.

[00:44:44] So leading us off is Jalen Brown with 13 points at three rebounds.

[00:44:50] Jason Tatum, you know, eight point six boards, three assists

[00:44:54] for Zingas with 15 points in the first half.

[00:44:57] You know, whereas Dallas, on the other hand,

[00:44:59] if Luca and Kyrie aren't scoring, there ain't a whole lot happening.

[00:45:03] You know, Luca with 12 points on five of 11 Kyrie on six points on three of nine.

[00:45:08] Nobody else has taken more than four shots for Dallas.

[00:45:11] So that's where we are right now.

[00:45:13] Twenty seven point game.

[00:45:14] We're about 250 away from half time.

[00:45:16] So Danny Hurley is the new candidate

[00:45:20] for the Los Angeles Lakers, as we've heard today.

[00:45:23] Thoughts on that?

[00:45:26] Shout out to Nick Wright.

[00:45:27] I want to make sure that I give him credit.

[00:45:28] I'm not taking his his idea.

[00:45:31] But what he said today, first things first is like, I don't buy it.

[00:45:36] OK, and he's like, you know, this is JJ Reddick.

[00:45:39] Yeah, he say he's like, I might be in a minority.

[00:45:41] And I was listening like, you're not because what one thing,

[00:45:46] one thing that Danny Hurley said after the national championship game,

[00:45:50] not even the money, not even I love these kids.

[00:45:54] He says some very poignant.

[00:45:55] You got to be from you got to live around this area to understand it.

[00:45:59] He was like, I married a girl from Jersey

[00:46:03] and she was mad at me for going to Rhode Island.

[00:46:06] And I got the Connecticut and that's close.

[00:46:08] You think I'm a leave here like, yeah, because that's a real

[00:46:14] that's a real like thing like Jersey.

[00:46:17] Like Jersey, people love Jersey.

[00:46:20] A lot of people want to shit on it.

[00:46:21] They don't, you know, nobody is enough.

[00:46:23] But people from.

[00:46:25] I don't know. Yeah, oh, who grew up here.

[00:46:28] They love it here.

[00:46:30] Yeah. And especially if you can go somewhere else

[00:46:33] and like be successful and come back to Jersey and like

[00:46:36] and then put your roots back in.

[00:46:38] You know, that's that's a big deal.

[00:46:40] You're a legend. You know, your money is no good here.

[00:46:42] Family's really big here.

[00:46:44] That's why a lot of the restaurants are family run.

[00:46:47] I mean, that's why the pizza is so good, because it's not a lot of change.

[00:46:50] Like when I see people

[00:46:51] look at the city and then Jersey and stuff like that, I'm like, are you serious?

[00:46:54] You eat Domino's.

[00:46:56] Cut it out. Play ball, Luca.

[00:46:57] There ain't no whistle.

[00:46:59] Someone says they're going to subway like not Jersey.

[00:47:01] Like people really love.

[00:47:02] So when he said my wife was mad at me, he's like, I'm not going to get

[00:47:07] he's not going to L.A. or Zegas again.

[00:47:10] That's 18 for those keeping count.

[00:47:13] And we got a 28 point game.

[00:47:14] But, you know, yeah, so Kentucky was after him,

[00:47:17] you know, prior to hiring Mark Pope.

[00:47:19] And he kind of reiterated what you were just talking about.

[00:47:23] You know, my wife from Jersey should kill me if I move to the south,

[00:47:25] you know, type thing. Yeah.

[00:47:27] But also, you know, obviously money isn't a thing.

[00:47:30] But I would think that to some degree it just depends on what are your goals?

[00:47:35] Like does he view himself as an NBA coach?

[00:47:37] Like, I think he's the type of coach that could do well in the NBA,

[00:47:41] you know, but I don't know if the Lakers right.

[00:47:43] Right. The Lakers aren't that team.

[00:47:45] Like if say if Cleveland, if the Cavs wanted to hire him,

[00:47:50] that's what Chris Bussard said. Like you need a young team.

[00:47:53] They talked about his practice and his practice was harder than Tim

[00:47:56] Doe's practice. Right.

[00:47:57] If you're the Pistons and you do come off of Marnie Williams,

[00:48:01] for whatever reason, he goes to the Lakers.

[00:48:04] You might want to look at a game.

[00:48:05] OKC needed a coach.

[00:48:07] I need a young team that's deep.

[00:48:10] I can run 11 guys out there that can run and play hard

[00:48:13] and they move without the ball.

[00:48:15] Like no, just do none of that.

[00:48:17] No, I'm not.

[00:48:19] I'm not leaving my back to back national champions

[00:48:23] that go coach the last two years of LeBron James.

[00:48:25] Like not like if this was LeBron, if this was 2017,

[00:48:29] I'm all in, you know what I mean?

[00:48:31] But being that this is the last two years of his career

[00:48:33] and his championship or bust,

[00:48:35] I don't know if I want to sign up for that at this point.

[00:48:38] Maybe after LeBron leaves, I think there's going to be.

[00:48:41] Yeah, I don't know if any coach was signed up for

[00:48:45] the Miss both free throws

[00:48:47] was signed up to play for the Lakers.

[00:48:49] I mean, coach Lakers like I don't I don't get it.

[00:48:52] Right now, the Lakers need to get they need to hire J.J.

[00:48:57] because he's there.

[00:48:58] He's the friend.

[00:48:59] Or like I said, go to Frank Vogel.

[00:49:02] Right. Because I don't I don't see where you can't get a first time coach.

[00:49:06] Maybe like I said, maybe Sam Casale.

[00:49:08] But the report of Hurley, I didn't buy it.

[00:49:12] I think it's just I think it might be a conversation that maybe they had.

[00:49:17] But on top of that, if I'm doing it early,

[00:49:18] I'm looking at Rob Palinka's track record.

[00:49:21] I'm thinking like, what is your record that says

[00:49:24] you could keep a put a team together?

[00:49:27] Right. You won a championship and blew that entire team up.

[00:49:31] And then you kept getting it was like you were making

[00:49:35] copies of a copy of a copy in every single roster iteration

[00:49:38] that you came up with got worse and worse.

[00:49:41] Like every role player got worse and worse.

[00:49:44] But they give in Luca any of this tech stuff right now.

[00:49:47] Like they're like, yo, you're going to earn these files, you know?

[00:49:51] So, you know, so here we go.

[00:49:53] They got it down to 21 Jason Tatum for three with the air ball.

[00:49:57] We're at halftime now.

[00:49:58] So 53 to 42, you know, and obviously it's the first half.

[00:50:03] This game made over Lucas meeting the referee at half court.

[00:50:06] So, you know, they're having a discussion.

[00:50:08] I don't know if this is a Tom Brady moment where, you know,

[00:50:11] he's letting the referee know how to find them for the Christmas list or not.

[00:50:15] But yeah, we are, you know, so we got Malika, Stephen A and Will

[00:50:18] Bond coming up at the half Josh Harden studio.

[00:50:22] But yeah, so when I think about Danny Hurley

[00:50:26] coming to the Lakers, like I said a couple of minutes ago,

[00:50:29] I think he could be a successful NBA coach because I think guys

[00:50:32] like Danny Hurley are just successful at whatever they put their mind to.

[00:50:36] You know, he is a dedicated coach.

[00:50:38] And right now you're riding the wave.

[00:50:41] You just got caravan back, you know, why not go for the three Pete?

[00:50:45] Why not, you know, stay where you've become a legend,

[00:50:49] you know, or where you're going to be remembered as a legend.

[00:50:52] So I don't know if coaching the Lakers is the answer because one,

[00:50:56] there's just too much drama that I'm not dealing with right now

[00:51:01] for a team that doesn't deserve it.

[00:51:02] They're talking about trading the number 17 pick to get something

[00:51:06] to put around AD and LeBron.

[00:51:08] I don't know what the number 17 pick nets you

[00:51:11] that is going to put you over the top.

[00:51:14] Whatever you bring in, does that mean you have to get rid of Austin Reeves?

[00:51:17] Because if so, you could have just did that last season

[00:51:20] and brought something else in, you know, you know, where's

[00:51:24] where's DLo fit in this equation?

[00:51:26] So, you know, and if you do bring in Monty Williams,

[00:51:30] you know why the last time we saw Monty Williams,

[00:51:33] you know, getting into playoffs and being a contender,

[00:51:36] he was losing one game at 50 at half by 50 at halftime on his home

[00:51:40] floor and a game seven.

[00:51:42] And then he got crushed by Damir just as much the next time.

[00:51:46] So I don't know if Monty Williams is the answer either.

[00:51:48] The Lakers just are what they are at this point.

[00:51:52] So now my next question for Mr.

[00:51:55] Logical is more along the lines of we're watching the NBA finals right now.

[00:52:00] We've already talked about Boston as far as if Boston doesn't win this title,

[00:52:04] is it time to blow it up?

[00:52:06] Is it time to let Missoula go?

[00:52:08] Is it time to make a move?

[00:52:09] But let's back off of that for a second and let's go with

[00:52:13] is Dallas here to stay or are they just the hot team for this season?

[00:52:19] Yeah, I don't I don't think there are rosters to stand

[00:52:21] or especially if they get bounced.

[00:52:23] If they play like this

[00:52:25] for this entire series and they lose in five,

[00:52:29] it's going to be a situation where you're looking around like, OK,

[00:52:32] who do we have that can compete with Denver?

[00:52:37] If you look at Denver's lineup, because Randy didn't have to play Denver.

[00:52:40] They got Minnesota, which they were lucky because I think Denver

[00:52:44] maybe plays them a little better.

[00:52:46] I don't know how Minnesota really beat Denver other than like

[00:52:49] the first couple of games, but it was basically

[00:52:52] we're allowed to play streetball at Ruff House, Jamal Murray.

[00:52:56] And I think he was still coming off his injury.

[00:52:58] Then he got that time off the rest of that five days.

[00:53:00] And then he came, came back and he won three straight.

[00:53:03] And obviously, Minnesota won on the tear for two more games.

[00:53:07] I don't know if there's really a strategy that helped them win

[00:53:09] or if it's just a matter of like they just bombarded them with shots

[00:53:13] and that in that game six and then game seven,

[00:53:18] the Denver players just disappeared.

[00:53:21] I don't see anybody out west really

[00:53:24] making enough moves to make their team that much better than Dallas.

[00:53:30] Like, I don't know what the Clippers can do with the

[00:53:33] aging players that they have.

[00:53:35] Well, it sounds like Harden is going to be very least

[00:53:38] Westbrook and Paul George.

[00:53:40] Well, George is probably gone unless they can make him an offer.

[00:53:43] Kawhi is he's locked in at three one fifty two.

[00:53:47] But does he want to even play that much?

[00:53:49] And on top of that, like, what do you what players are you

[00:53:51] bringing that's going to that you can pair with Kawhi at this point?

[00:53:55] And what does Kawhi have left?

[00:53:58] Memphis, maybe the job comes back and they can make a move with whatever draft.

[00:54:02] I'm pretty sure they got a pretty decent draft pick

[00:54:04] or maybe those guys that experience.

[00:54:07] Do you think Denver needs to overreact?

[00:54:09] Because I've heard people say that Denver should maybe look at trading

[00:54:13] Michael Porter Jr..

[00:54:15] Do you think something like that could be on the table?

[00:54:17] I imagine that, but I don't know.

[00:54:23] What are you trying to get for Michael Porter?

[00:54:25] Do you want another starter or do you want two guys that you can come off the bench

[00:54:30] or two guys or two draft picks and a guy that can come off the bench?

[00:54:34] You know, like, that's the problem.

[00:54:36] What are you trying to get?

[00:54:37] That's the thing is like, you got to figure out what it is.

[00:54:40] I think sometimes we, you know, as pundits,

[00:54:44] we talk about these draft possibilities and I'm thinking, OK,

[00:54:47] what am I going to get for it?

[00:54:49] Like, what am I going to get?

[00:54:51] Is my team going to get any better?

[00:54:52] Like, what am I gaining by moving this asset?

[00:54:55] We're going to have that conversation out loud.

[00:54:57] And I think that that spoils it like the Lamar autumn trade

[00:55:00] when they got vetoed, the Chris Paul, right?

[00:55:03] Paul, the guy.

[00:55:05] So when Lamar got back in the locker room, hey, welcome back.

[00:55:09] He was like, no, man, move me.

[00:55:10] And see, and that's where like I get frustrated because, you know,

[00:55:13] we were talking about this a couple of weeks ago.

[00:55:16] You know, Denver does have Julian Strauther on the bench from Gonzaga,

[00:55:20] who I think has a lot of potential.

[00:55:22] You know, they do have Peyton Watson, who helped out in the first round

[00:55:27] against the Lakers.

[00:55:28] So why not?

[00:55:30] You know, there were games where, you know, they were down 25

[00:55:35] and this wasn't against the Lakers.

[00:55:36] You know, this is against Minnesota.

[00:55:37] You weren't coming back.

[00:55:39] You know, why not get these guys some minutes to whereas

[00:55:43] next season as we enter the playoffs, because I still, you know,

[00:55:46] Denver's going to make the playoffs next year.

[00:55:50] I got guys that have a little bit of experience versus

[00:55:53] you've been here a year or whatever the case may be.

[00:55:56] And I'm like, but, yo, these guys are inexperienced.

[00:55:58] You know, you could have got them a few minutes in spots.

[00:56:01] You know, I think it's a lot of teams that just need to play more guys

[00:56:06] because we're getting we're getting to a point where it looks

[00:56:10] and feels as if we're running out of stars.

[00:56:14] And it's like, like Neal Neheim,

[00:56:17] the the kid from Indiana.

[00:56:20] Oh, them heart. Yeah.

[00:56:21] Nibhardt when he got his run, when Halliburton was out.

[00:56:25] It's like they want these guys to come in as ready made stars,

[00:56:28] top four, top five picks.

[00:56:30] But then you get a guy at seven or eight,

[00:56:33] but you don't give him any run.

[00:56:34] You don't get any burn.

[00:56:35] Like, how is this guy athletic enough and talented enough

[00:56:38] to be one of 400 people in this league?

[00:56:41] But yet you took an eighth overall, tenth overall, 11th overall,

[00:56:45] and you can't get them on the court.

[00:56:47] That doesn't make any sense to me.

[00:56:49] Right. And that's where, you know, OKC, you know, you don't need to overreact.

[00:56:54] You know, you're going to lose Gordon Hayworth,

[00:56:56] which is going to open up some cap space for you.

[00:56:59] You don't need to go crazy.

[00:57:00] I know a lot of people have been promoting Lari marketing

[00:57:04] from Utah, going to OKC, which would be dynamic.

[00:57:08] You add another shooter, a shooter with size, put them next to chat.

[00:57:12] You know, you can have a better version of what or at least a younger version

[00:57:16] of what Boston has with Horford and Perzingis.

[00:57:19] But I don't think OKC needs to overreact

[00:57:22] and try to go get another star or try to get another big piece

[00:57:27] to solve a puzzle like OKC is a good enough team.

[00:57:30] This was their year to take a lump, get some experience.

[00:57:34] Maybe next year you push for the Western Conference Finals,

[00:57:37] even if you don't get there, even if you don't.

[00:57:39] And I think and I think most teams are built that way.

[00:57:42] It just someone has to be in the building to say,

[00:57:45] you know, be easy, pump the brakes.

[00:57:48] We don't we don't need to make a lot of moves,

[00:57:50] even if you were a bad team last year.

[00:57:52] You sound right now.

[00:57:54] You got Phoenix stuck, you know,

[00:57:56] because Bradley Beale has the no trade clause.

[00:58:00] I think that Devin Booker is Phoenix's guy.

[00:58:05] So I don't know if you're going to move Devin Booker right now,

[00:58:08] at least not up until the trade deadline, potentially.

[00:58:11] Could Kevin Durant be on the move?

[00:58:14] You know, I would hope not.

[00:58:15] You know what I mean?

[00:58:16] But could you could you put some test of waters out there

[00:58:20] and see if there's a team that thinks that they're a KD away

[00:58:22] and you can see what you could get for him,

[00:58:25] even though Beale would be the one that you would want to trade.

[00:58:31] I think a lot of teams made a lot of bad moves and just stuck.

[00:58:35] Yeah, you just stuck like I mean, coast to coast.

[00:58:38] I think there's a lot of teams that are just simply stuck where they are

[00:58:42] and they're stuck with their coach, whatever it be the contract.

[00:58:46] They're stuck with a player because of the contract.

[00:58:48] They're stuck behind the eight ball because they traded for a guy like

[00:58:52] they traded for Jordan Poole and he's getting 140 million dollars.

[00:58:56] And it's like he's out there playing

[00:58:58] like a junior varsity kid playing against the state champions.

[00:59:02] You just like throwing the ball away.

[00:59:03] You just stuck.

[00:59:05] And I think a lot of teams are stuck because it was like years.

[00:59:08] We talked about it last week in our case study,

[00:59:10] like certain teams just consistently put themselves in position to where we

[00:59:15] what we're doing now isn't building for the future.

[00:59:19] What we're doing now is setting us up to fail within two years.

[00:59:23] The Lakers without LeBron rolls an ankle and he misses two months.

[00:59:29] That team I'm talking about any year that he's been there.

[00:59:31] Like when he heard his when he heard his growing that year,

[00:59:34] they were like second or third in the West.

[00:59:37] He heard his growing miss X number of games.

[00:59:40] He came back there were like seven to eight missed the playoffs.

[00:59:43] I mean, so it's like that's and then they kept making worse moves.

[00:59:49] Think of like, oh, we're running out of time.

[00:59:50] We run out of time. Run out of time.

[00:59:51] They made another bad move, another bad move, another bad move.

[00:59:54] Multiple bad moves, multiple bad trades ignore when they're trying to ban

[00:59:58] all the people who needed a dynamic second score

[01:00:03] the past couple of years who didn't call and try to get Kyrie.

[01:00:07] They failed because they allow whatever pressure

[01:00:10] surrounding the narrative with Kyrie, hold them back from making a sound

[01:00:14] decision for their basketball team.

[01:00:16] Dallas made a good move.

[01:00:18] They took their lumps last year and boom, now look at them in the finals.

[01:00:21] They didn't revisit trading him in the offseason.

[01:00:24] They say, you know what? We'll be able to run this.

[01:00:27] And they did. So so that's the difference.

[01:00:30] And I think that should be the model that people look at it like,

[01:00:32] you know what?

[01:00:33] Dallas kept their dynamic pieces, got a good rookie,

[01:00:37] made a trade with a team that tends to give away good players.

[01:00:40] So watch them wizards.

[01:00:42] And then, you know, now they're in NBA finals.

[01:00:44] So taking it over to the east, you know, we've already talked about

[01:00:47] Boston ad nauseam and what we think Boston should do.

[01:00:51] And I still can't figure out what side of the camera

[01:00:53] I'm trying to touch, you know, like I'm all over the place.

[01:00:56] But, you know, but but looking at the east, right?

[01:01:00] Boston's here in the finals.

[01:01:01] They won 64 games this season, you know, 12 and two in the playoffs,

[01:01:06] having lost on the road in the playoffs this season.

[01:01:08] So looking around the east, you know, as I look at Milwaukee, for example,

[01:01:13] is the Chris Middleton time over?

[01:01:15] Are you trying to bring something else in to put next to Yanis and Dane?

[01:01:20] You know, Brook Lopez is going to be 36 next year.

[01:01:24] Bobby Portis, is it time to move on from him?

[01:01:26] Like, is there a move or is there something that Milwaukee could do

[01:01:30] to look more like the team that we thought they would be this year?

[01:01:34] And I'll put Milwaukee in one of those categories was like,

[01:01:39] you said OKC is a young team.

[01:01:41] They got bouncing second round, but you can run it back with them.

[01:01:44] Right. Milwaukee is the kind of team

[01:01:47] that will pull that Phoenix smooth where you bring in like

[01:01:50] a Durant or a Beal to kind of just just front load your team

[01:01:54] as much as you can, because the clock is ticking on some of your players.

[01:01:58] I think they might be in a position to do it because I think Dane

[01:02:02] because what Dane gives you and what Yanis gives you is both

[01:02:06] they're both dynamic and different spots of the floor.

[01:02:09] So you can get another wing guy

[01:02:12] and it doesn't really adversely affect the flow of the team.

[01:02:15] Whereas like we talked about Booker, Beal and Kevin Durant.

[01:02:18] They all all three of them do the same thing.

[01:02:21] Mm hmm. The right size is the right

[01:02:25] and play better defense, but that's if he is not required

[01:02:30] to be the ball handling the score and they never really

[01:02:32] they never really work together offensively.

[01:02:34] It wasn't like a clay Steph

[01:02:37] Katie situation where that that triangle of death with those three players.

[01:02:42] They just kind of all were they all want to get to the same spots.

[01:02:46] Right. We possession no matter who had the ball.

[01:02:48] I think if Milwaukee makes a move, they can make a move

[01:02:52] like one of those swing for the fences kind of moves.

[01:02:54] I don't know what they could do to about getting the roads.

[01:02:56] And I don't know what Chicago is talking about.

[01:02:58] I don't know if Chicago even make that trade.

[01:03:00] But a guy like the roads and who's going to give you that

[01:03:03] inside the paint, you know, to pull up.

[01:03:05] But he's not going to he's not going to interrupt

[01:03:07] the honest flow because he's not a guy that attacks the rim

[01:03:10] as aggressively as Yanis. He's a pull up.

[01:03:12] He's a Kawhi guy. Right.

[01:03:13] And Dane and Dane is he attacks the rim and he shoots the three.

[01:03:17] So I think you have like a three headed monster there.

[01:03:20] I don't really like those kind of formatted teams.

[01:03:23] But when you are running out of time,

[01:03:26] you can make that kind of desperate move.

[01:03:28] I think some other teams make that move too many to too early.

[01:03:31] Right. So if you're Philadelphia,

[01:03:34] is Paul George or Jimmy Butler to answer?

[01:03:38] It's the answer to get you 41 good home game audience attendance.

[01:03:43] It's enough to keep you relevant.

[01:03:45] But I don't know if it gets you over the hump, because I don't know what

[01:03:50] you get from Jimmy Butler and Embiid and the playoffs.

[01:03:54] I don't know if they work well with each other.

[01:03:55] We talked about Yoko during B, who would you take?

[01:03:58] We both say Yoko is because Yoko is like he's actively getting guys

[01:04:02] the ball off double teams where I think Embiid when he gets double

[01:04:06] tends to like just shoot the two turn.

[01:04:09] He scores a lot and I think he can get, you know, your

[01:04:12] he can get you four or five assists.

[01:04:15] Yeah, that's not the design of his game.

[01:04:16] So I don't know what is going to be 35 or 36 next year.

[01:04:20] You know, and Paul George ain't that far behind.

[01:04:22] He's going to be 33 or 34.

[01:04:24] So, you know, now I do like Paul George in their early.

[01:04:29] Like I said, these guys are like top athletes.

[01:04:31] And I. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:04:32] And that's what I was going to say.

[01:04:33] I do like Paul George from the standpoint of the ball

[01:04:37] handling that he'll bring and help Maxie out, you know, where,

[01:04:41] you know, there's not going to be such a usage on Maxie to have him playing

[01:04:46] a lot of I don't want to say out of position, but doing a lot more

[01:04:50] than he probably needs to do for the team to be successful.

[01:04:53] Whereas Jimmy Butler, on the other hand, you know, is just

[01:04:57] it's the intangibles that he would bring to the team,

[01:04:59] the toughness that he would bring to the team.

[01:05:01] But Philly Philly is one of those teams that I said

[01:05:04] they made moves off of emotion

[01:05:08] that wasn't going to help their team get any better.

[01:05:11] They didn't make a single move.

[01:05:12] So after they got all right, second half of the way.

[01:05:15] So we got after the Toronto

[01:05:19] at the Kauai Leonard traveled and then hit the game winner in game seven.

[01:05:22] I like to mention that. No, sir.

[01:05:24] Like after they made that move, I think the following that all season,

[01:05:27] they lost Jimmy. Yeah.

[01:05:29] And that was, you know, you chose to bias over me or whatever.

[01:05:32] You chose to bias Harris.

[01:05:34] And then after that, they had the Eastern Conference finals

[01:05:37] around what he lost to.

[01:05:40] No, I think we had the ball.

[01:05:42] Oh, they haven't made the Eastern Conference finals yet.

[01:05:44] We get that.

[01:05:46] Yeah. So we had the bubble year and I can remember what happened then.

[01:05:49] But then we had Atlanta beat them and Atlanta went to Eastern Conference

[01:05:53] finals because Ben Simmons went knocked the ball.

[01:05:56] Yeah. And Bede and Doc Rivers immediately go into the press

[01:05:59] conference and say, how they don't think they could win with him

[01:06:02] on a team or how he should have shot the ball.

[01:06:04] Which if you know a guy who's on holiday with the defense,

[01:06:07] yeah, you know, you know, he's kind of, you know,

[01:06:11] you know, as emotional state, you know how to get to him in the locker room.

[01:06:14] So you don't call them out publicly, which they did.

[01:06:17] Then they end up moving Ben, getting

[01:06:20] or trying to keep Ben and up moving them.

[01:06:23] Got James Harden in.

[01:06:24] That was a move that wasn't going to last.

[01:06:27] So it's just like every year they got progressively worse.

[01:06:29] And now they're at the point where they have to just run it back

[01:06:32] and hope they can land a free agent that plays better than expectation.

[01:06:37] Yeah, now Cleveland is in transition because, you know, they fired

[01:06:41] BJ Biggerstaff, you know, questions, you know,

[01:06:44] Donovan Mitchell's going to resign.

[01:06:47] Different things that I've read makes it sound like

[01:06:49] Donovan Mitchell owns this team, you know, like like it's

[01:06:52] he's put his imprint on this team.

[01:06:55] So maybe Darius Garland is the odd man out.

[01:06:57] All I know is somebody got to start getting Mowgli to ball more.

[01:07:01] But Jared Allen is probably on his way out.

[01:07:03] So Cleveland's in flux right now, as far as this is the time

[01:07:07] where Milwaukee could be coming back to the pack

[01:07:10] and a team like Cleveland could step up.

[01:07:12] You know, obviously you got New York there as well.

[01:07:14] But Cleveland could step up as well.

[01:07:16] But now they're in flux.

[01:07:17] So, you know, you got New York with OG Attenobe as a free agent.

[01:07:21] But for the most part, most of the team should be coming back.

[01:07:24] Indiana has Siakam as a free agent,

[01:07:27] you know, but most of the teams should be coming back.

[01:07:30] And then you got Orlando

[01:07:32] sitting there waiting for either a vet or their guys to take that next step.

[01:07:37] And that's the thing.

[01:07:38] I think Orlando can just run it back.

[01:07:40] They could just run it back with those guys.

[01:07:42] OK, see style, whatever young guy

[01:07:44] missed a lot of time this season because of injury or rotation.

[01:07:48] You can build him and work him into the rotation.

[01:07:52] Philly is a lot like Cleveland in that regard

[01:07:54] because Cleveland fired their coach essentially for no reason.

[01:07:59] They they fired their coach.

[01:08:00] And now you put everything else in flux the last time.

[01:08:04] Oh, that's a father and I was definitely

[01:08:07] you got so we'll talk about that quite in the corner.

[01:08:11] Nope. The reason all the no more.

[01:08:13] But Dallas ain't taking advantage right now.

[01:08:15] The year that Lebron was going to be a free agent

[01:08:17] before he went down to Miami, they fired the coach and the GM, I think.

[01:08:22] And Lebron was like, I don't want to be part of a rebuild. Right.

[01:08:26] So you knew that before he made his announcement.

[01:08:30] Oh, we got a charge.

[01:08:33] So that was a makeup call.

[01:08:34] That was a makeup call because they didn't give Luca the file on the three.

[01:08:39] Yeah. So but he's pushing off every single time.

[01:08:43] Yeah, I know. But the whole thing was in that clean.

[01:08:45] No, it was in the landing spot, though.

[01:08:47] Or if you like the ball, you think you can block

[01:08:49] if you block the ball, then that's where you are.

[01:08:53] All right, here we go.

[01:08:54] So down 18, 843 left in the third quarter.

[01:08:58] Can Dallas make the run now that Boston's threes aren't falling?

[01:09:01] They still look a little discombobulated because, you know,

[01:09:05] Luca and Kyrie have to be the and one all stars.

[01:09:09] Yeah. And now he just dribbled it off his foot.

[01:09:11] Kyrie drew holiday leading the break, pulling up for three.

[01:09:15] Nope. Short.

[01:09:16] Derek White with the easy rebound and going to the free throw line.

[01:09:19] So so yeah.

[01:09:20] So also Boston on top of in the first half,

[01:09:23] they were nailing all these shots.

[01:09:25] They're just beating Dallas to the ball as well.

[01:09:27] You know, so like that's what I have to do because they

[01:09:30] yeah, because they have they have the lead to where

[01:09:33] the mistakes aren't costing them mentally because they have that lead.

[01:09:38] Like I said, the role player scum is and they see as an 18 point lead.

[01:09:43] So do you think that, you know, just to use a name

[01:09:46] because I've heard his name mentioned with a couple of teams,

[01:09:49] you know, where does Clay Thompson fit as far as he's a vet?

[01:09:54] You know, you're not looking for him to be a star.

[01:09:57] You know, is there somewhere where we could put clay

[01:10:00] that could help out one of these teams that we're talking about that?

[01:10:04] You're not a piece away from a championship per se.

[01:10:07] But if you would get.

[01:10:08] But what is he going to command financially?

[01:10:10] Is he going to want a big check or is he just going to want a new

[01:10:15] a new place?

[01:10:17] I think it depends on who the team is, like he might ask Orlando for some money.

[01:10:21] The bad team tax, if you will.

[01:10:23] But if you put them in Milwaukee, maybe not.

[01:10:26] That's what I was thinking.

[01:10:27] I was something like Milwaukee, the Middleton.

[01:10:29] You get Middleton to move.

[01:10:31] Maybe Middleton makes that maybe Middleton is like that guy

[01:10:33] that that the Lakers can maybe squeeze out of a, you know, a role player.

[01:10:38] Not a role play, but a three and D guy, big body,

[01:10:41] a veteran who could shoot because right now they keep bringing a guess.

[01:10:45] You can't shoot. Yeah.

[01:10:46] I don't know if Clay, I don't know if Clay is that guy.

[01:10:53] Yeah. And I mean, Middleton brings you another closer, a closer as well, where.

[01:10:58] Yeah. You know, late in the game is not all on AD and LeBron

[01:11:02] to more so LeBron to make the plays.

[01:11:04] PJ Washington all the way to the basket.

[01:11:06] We got a timeout for Boston 68 to 52 with seven forty three

[01:11:11] left in the third quarter.

[01:11:13] So Dallas still looks a lot of one point.

[01:11:15] Right. Yeah.

[01:11:17] Dallas looks a little sluggish still.

[01:11:21] Well, actually, at halftime, it was a twenty seven point lead.

[01:11:24] So, you know, so Dallas is making inroads, but it's still not fluid.

[01:11:28] It's still not very choppy.

[01:11:31] They're still yeah, they're still not running offense.

[01:11:34] They're still just kind of watching Luka and Kyrie dribble

[01:11:38] and hoping to benefit off of something.

[01:11:41] Yeah. Benefit off of something.

[01:11:42] Yeah. So yeah.

[01:11:43] So so like a clay talks into Milwaukee could work, you know,

[01:11:46] but it's dependent on my question is, does he have enough defense

[01:11:51] left for that to work?

[01:11:52] Because that was the problem this year with Milwaukee was that

[01:11:55] whoever you had in the back court with Dame,

[01:11:57] it was just too small of a back court.

[01:11:59] Even when you got Patrick Beverly, it was too small of a back court.

[01:12:03] And they were small.

[01:12:05] They couldn't stop the line.

[01:12:06] But he built a prairie dog.

[01:12:08] Yeah. So so so so Boston,

[01:12:11] obviously, we haven't hit free agency or any of that yet.

[01:12:15] But from my vantage point

[01:12:19] right now, Boston is still the team to beat in the East next year, starting out.

[01:12:23] Maybe the Knicks, if they can keep out of Noby and stay healthy,

[01:12:27] maybe have Randall, maybe the Knicks can make a push towards Boston

[01:12:32] in the West. I still think it's wide open going into next season.

[01:12:36] You know, it's like there's three or four teams there.

[01:12:39] And it depends on what Minnesota does, because do you think

[01:12:42] here's another question.

[01:12:43] Do you think because I know it's easy to pile on.

[01:12:46] Everybody's been kind of saying the same thing.

[01:12:49] Is Minnesota overreacting if they get rid of Kat?

[01:12:53] Yes, absolutely.

[01:12:55] They're in game seven.

[01:12:58] Like they just they want they won game seven

[01:13:01] against Denver champion defending champs.

[01:13:05] And then when Kat was knocking down shots when they were down three,

[01:13:08] granted, it was it sucked. They were down three.

[01:13:11] He's knocked down the shots. They won that game.

[01:13:13] He does provide you the stretch for stretch five

[01:13:18] that every team is looking for, because if you trade them

[01:13:22] like what's your market value for him?

[01:13:24] You have go bare.

[01:13:25] Like I said, we thought the two towers wouldn't going to work.

[01:13:28] I think it does work.

[01:13:29] You just might need to get these other guys that were playing

[01:13:32] more opportunities to shoot the three.

[01:13:35] You got Mike Conley.

[01:13:36] I don't know if he's running it back again because he talked about that,

[01:13:39] you know, about his age is like, you said selfishly, man, witness for me.

[01:13:42] Because, you know,

[01:13:43] it's probably hard for him to get his body ready again for the next season.

[01:13:47] But you get another guard like a point guard like that, because, you know,

[01:13:51] someone who can just kind of run off and it's highest Jones

[01:13:54] or one of those kind of like point guards,

[01:13:57] like someone who plays a little bit like Rondo, they're just

[01:13:59] someone that just plays tough defense, gets you, you know,

[01:14:02] get you some shots.

[01:14:04] Well, yeah, I wouldn't trade cat because I don't think

[01:14:07] I don't think cat was the problem.

[01:14:09] Well, I don't like this move, but something I've been hearing

[01:14:11] a couple of different people on different podcasts mentioned is

[01:14:16] trading cat for trade young.

[01:14:17] I don't like that at all.

[01:14:18] I saw one that said cat for KD because the money works out.

[01:14:23] That's a little better.

[01:14:24] Because KD can fit anywhere.

[01:14:26] You know what? I don't know if Phoenix makes that move,

[01:14:29] even though I think it would work for Phoenix, because, like I said,

[01:14:32] it gets it opens up Bills and Booker's spots.

[01:14:35] And he still doesn't have to play the five per se because you got

[01:14:38] Nurgich there. Yeah, he doesn't have to play the five.

[01:14:41] Now you you you just you automatically get yourself space.

[01:14:45] I'm not saying Kevin Durant didn't give you space,

[01:14:47] but Kevin Durant liked to shoot two point pull ups.

[01:14:52] You had a good pull up game.

[01:14:54] You didn't shoot that many threes.

[01:14:56] He didn't shoot that many threes per game.

[01:14:58] Yeah. All right.

[01:14:59] Here comes Luca up the court. Same score.

[01:15:01] You got Horford on him.

[01:15:03] He goes to the paint all the way.

[01:15:04] Lay up, you know, flopping on the floor again.

[01:15:07] You know, because Derek White down the court,

[01:15:09] you know, the lead is down to 14 now.

[01:15:12] Jason Tatum's wide open. They missed them.

[01:15:14] Here comes Holliday, you know, with Derek Jones on them,

[01:15:17] the spin move Holliday going to the free throw line.

[01:15:20] You know, so, you know, at this Lucas Winston a little bit.

[01:15:24] Yeah, because he keep jumping on the fucking floor like

[01:15:28] we were talking about.

[01:15:29] Remember, we were talking about this with Embiid,

[01:15:31] you know, from the standpoint of, you know,

[01:15:34] you're falling all the time, you know, and initially,

[01:15:38] I thought maybe he came down on somebody's ankle

[01:15:41] because Horford was there, but he didn't replay.

[01:15:44] He was just clumsy. Yeah, he's just clumsy.

[01:15:46] You know, but Lucas just on the floor over and over like,

[01:15:49] and I mean, you're already on a bad knee, you know,

[01:15:53] which hopefully this week, the week off that they had,

[01:15:56] gave him the ability to heal some.

[01:15:58] And, you know, he's good tonight, but he keeps falling.

[01:16:01] Body on the floor. Yeah, he's on the floor every time.

[01:16:04] Sometimes he might get bumped.

[01:16:06] You know, he did the same thing in game one

[01:16:08] and looks like they got Jalen Brown on him.

[01:16:10] Yep. So here comes Kyrie.

[01:16:12] He's got Drew Holliday on him.

[01:16:13] You know, PJ Washington working on Derek White turn around

[01:16:17] missing the hook shot.

[01:16:19] Got the site.

[01:16:20] We got some free throws coming, you know, and this is

[01:16:24] and this is where he when he get filed.

[01:16:27] I thought they called a foul when they called it right after he missed the shot.

[01:16:32] Here we go. Here comes the replay.

[01:16:34] He goes up for the shot.

[01:16:35] Yeah, I don't see. I don't see a foul.

[01:16:37] I don't see if I see I see four people battling for a rebound.

[01:16:40] Yeah, I see a loose ball, but I didn't see a foul.

[01:16:42] So PJ Washington and of course him at the free throw line is an adventure.

[01:16:46] Adam Silver was like, listen,

[01:16:49] you made me wait nine days.

[01:16:51] I didn't watch the whole game

[01:16:53] because I'm pretty sure some people ready to turn it off.

[01:16:55] And also, come on, going up 3032 points.

[01:16:59] It would have been a lot of people watching Love is Blind on Netflix.

[01:17:03] Yeah. Ultimatum South Africa.

[01:17:05] You ever like, no, let's say, honey, this game's over.

[01:17:08] Let's watch something else.

[01:17:09] Here we go. Still a 14 point game.

[01:17:11] Drew Holliday coming down.

[01:17:13] So what I'm noticing is Boston isn't getting as fluid

[01:17:17] shots as they were in the first half.

[01:17:19] I don't know if this is one of those things where

[01:17:22] they're getting complacent to some degree and they're just going through the motions.

[01:17:26] Well, the crowds kind of tensed up.

[01:17:29] The the big lead is cutting down.

[01:17:32] Porzingis wasn't in the game.

[01:17:33] He gave him a lot of energy because I think the fans are really excited for him.

[01:17:38] Yeah, he's back now. So he's back.

[01:17:40] So I think it's just the fans.

[01:17:42] The fans are sitting down now.

[01:17:44] So if you get Jason Tatum doing what I need him to do

[01:17:47] and then you got Luca heating up and people, you know, Lucas, one of those.

[01:17:51] He's a special player.

[01:17:52] Yeah. And it leads down now to 13.

[01:17:55] I know I'm a little ahead of you, but no, I got it.

[01:17:57] I got it. So, you know, so yeah,

[01:17:59] Drew Holliday coming back up the court with Kyrie on him.

[01:18:02] All right. Lively.

[01:18:04] So that's the matchup that that's the matchup

[01:18:06] that Drew Holliday needs to take advantage of.

[01:18:08] Like if this was the old NBA, he'd be posting Kyrie up or, you know,

[01:18:12] he'd be taking them to the paint and putting his body on him.

[01:18:15] Jalen Brown for three. No good.

[01:18:17] Luca with another rebound getting trailed by Derek White.

[01:18:21] You know, Derek Jones all the way to the hole.

[01:18:23] Whoa, Tatum. OK, nice block.

[01:18:25] Kyrie open for three.

[01:18:27] No, Drew Holliday with the rebound.

[01:18:30] So Dallas is getting some better looks now, you know,

[01:18:34] but most of it is off a broken plays or,

[01:18:37] you know, just moving the ball quickly before Boston can get into position.

[01:18:42] They're still not having success against Boston's

[01:18:45] set or base defense, if you will.

[01:18:47] That block by Tatum was nice.

[01:18:51] That's what I need from you, Tatum.

[01:18:53] Yeah, I think this at this point, they need a they need to attack the rim

[01:18:57] because Lively is very handsy report Zingas.

[01:19:02] And I think they can get another file on him.

[01:19:04] And see, this is what I'm talking about,

[01:19:06] you know, not to do the box score thing, but Gafford is three for three

[01:19:09] right now. Lively hasn't even taken a shot yet.

[01:19:13] He doesn't have one shot attempt right now because he has no other way to be

[01:19:17] like he doesn't have an offensive like expectation

[01:19:20] other than be there to catch the lob, be there to get the offensive rebound.

[01:19:23] Here comes Kyrie. There you go.

[01:19:25] We got an 11 point game.

[01:19:27] You know, TD, the TD Bank or the TD Garden is

[01:19:31] I don't have my sound on right now, but I imagine, you know,

[01:19:35] the crowd is uneasy.

[01:19:36] You know, Boston's just kind of lagging right now,

[01:19:39] like Jalen Brown's going one on one through holiday from the corner.

[01:19:43] Nope. And is that over the back?

[01:19:46] Another ticky tack file, man.

[01:19:48] Over the back Dallas, you get this to a one possession.

[01:19:50] I mean, a single single digit game.

[01:19:53] Oh, that's a travel.

[01:19:57] Jesus Christ.

[01:19:59] I don't know what these reps are doing, man.

[01:20:01] Like it's like they only call it entertaining.

[01:20:04] Traveling is entertaining.

[01:20:06] It's like they only call files.

[01:20:09] I haven't seen and Luca Legend.

[01:20:13] There it is down to a eight point game.

[01:20:16] You got to call another time out.

[01:20:17] He did. You know, said here we go.

[01:20:20] You know, as Dick Vytel would say, they need a Tio baby.

[01:20:24] Awesome with a capital.

[01:20:26] Let's move on to a point game.

[01:20:28] Move the screen. Yeah.

[01:20:29] They didn't call that either.

[01:20:30] They didn't call that either.

[01:20:32] You know, but yeah, hey, we got a game at the TV garden.

[01:20:35] That's all we've been looking for.

[01:20:36] He's looking at the crowd now.

[01:20:38] We got a little five o'clock shadow beer popping.

[01:20:41] You know, said Lucas getting and going into villain mode now.

[01:20:45] OK, that's and this is then this is what I mean.

[01:20:47] It's we talk about Tatum, like, all right, Tatum,

[01:20:50] you've watched him come down and take these many shots in a row

[01:20:53] or be part of the action.

[01:20:56] So what are people out there thinking about?

[01:20:58] Have you heard anybody in anybody in the comments?

[01:21:00] Have you heard anything about this Clipper show?

[01:21:02] Anybody been watching that?

[01:21:05] I saw a clip today where I hope I hope

[01:21:08] that was wasn't talking as reckless as it was.

[01:21:11] That's a big baby.

[01:21:13] Yeah, the big baby.

[01:21:14] What he said about is like,

[01:21:16] I should listen to Sterling when he's talking about Deandre Jordans

[01:21:18] that traded you.

[01:21:20] Yeah, he's talking about that.

[01:21:22] Whatever he said, the bad bonds are like,

[01:21:23] no wonder why your wife left you like you can't talk.

[01:21:26] You're like, you got no effort.

[01:21:28] Is this why your wife left you?

[01:21:30] And what was the other thing?

[01:21:32] He said something to Big Baby about like, oh, do you miss KJ?

[01:21:34] Or all those lines like, yeah, you know, speaking of Big Baby,

[01:21:40] you know, I was listening to the higher learning podcast

[01:21:43] with Van Lathan and Rachel Lynn Lindsay.

[01:21:46] And they had him on there.

[01:21:47] He's Van Lathan's cousin talking about his jail sentence

[01:21:52] and how he was in prison for 40 months.

[01:21:58] You know, he was the biggest name in the case.

[01:22:01] Didn't get the biggest time because Terrence Williams

[01:22:03] was figured out to be the mastermind behind it.

[01:22:06] And he was just kind of explaining how he got caught up in it,

[01:22:09] how he felt railroaded.

[01:22:11] His attorney told him not to testify, all these different things.

[01:22:15] And, you know, being that you are our criminal justice expert here,

[01:22:21] you know, I felt bad for him in a lot of ways.

[01:22:24] But there was also a part of me that was just like,

[01:22:26] why are you putting your name on stuff?

[01:22:28] You know, why?

[01:22:30] Why?

[01:22:30] Go ahead.

[01:22:31] Why are you getting involved with something

[01:22:33] and then try to go plead to the court of public opinion?

[01:22:35] Like I try to tell you, the public in the court,

[01:22:39] they don't mesh.

[01:22:41] So according to the celebrity.

[01:22:44] Yeah, just for background, I don't know if you heard the interview or not,

[01:22:47] but just for background, his story was, you know,

[01:22:51] he was playing for the Clippers still,

[01:22:54] broke his ankle, but wasn't diagnosed with a broken ankle.

[01:22:57] So he was still trying to play on it.

[01:22:59] You know, he was still out there, you know, didn't miss any time.

[01:23:02] They like he would get shot up, you know, like you always say,

[01:23:05] go take the court is on shot.

[01:23:07] Come back.

[01:23:07] So he was out there playing.

[01:23:09] Allegedly, this is his story plan on the broke ankle.

[01:23:12] So the end of the season comes.

[01:23:14] He's a free agent now.

[01:23:15] So now that he's a free agent, he doesn't have access to team doctors,

[01:23:19] you know, all this kind of stuff.

[01:23:21] So it was in the off season that people around him told him like,

[01:23:26] dude, your ankle may be broken.

[01:23:28] So he went into, I guess, a regular doctor, whatever the case may be.

[01:23:32] Doctor confirmed like, hey, you got a broken ankle.

[01:23:35] So Terrence Williams or whoever comes to him and says,

[01:23:39] Hey, there's this fund out here, you know, through the union

[01:23:42] and everything that is supposed to help you in situations like this.

[01:23:46] You know, you're injured.

[01:23:48] You're not on a team.

[01:23:49] Nobody's taking care of you.

[01:23:51] Here's this money that is ours to use for these situations.

[01:23:57] But then, you know, it looks like they were using it for other stuff.

[01:24:00] Obviously.

[01:24:02] Whereas, you know, according to big baby Eli, hey,

[01:24:05] I got receipts that show I was getting ankle treatment

[01:24:08] that I was getting chiropractor treatment.

[01:24:10] I never knew that they were doing what they were doing.

[01:24:14] But the problem is, is that he was signing stuff

[01:24:18] like they were sending him stuff.

[01:24:19] He was signing it.

[01:24:21] And I guess his money person, his accountant or whoever

[01:24:24] is telling him like, yeah, they just need your signature on this.

[01:24:27] So the way he presented it, of course, as most of us probably would,

[01:24:32] this is a conspiracy.

[01:24:34] And I'm the innocent bystander that doesn't know what's going on

[01:24:38] and simply put, I'm sorry, big baby, you too old for that shit.

[01:24:42] You know what I mean?

[01:24:43] You too old to be like, I used to tell my airman all the time.

[01:24:46] The only thing a lot of these people know about you is your signature.

[01:24:49] So whatever documents you sign is what people think about you.

[01:24:53] So if I get documents across my desk with your signature on it

[01:24:59] and it's not forged, I'm assume you knew what you were doing

[01:25:02] and you knew what you were signing.

[01:25:04] Or if you didn't know, you would be smart enough

[01:25:06] to have somebody explain it to you.

[01:25:08] Yeah.

[01:25:09] You know, so he got the 40 months

[01:25:11] and Terrence Williams got 10 years out of it.

[01:25:15] At this point, he should have just snitched.

[01:25:19] And that's what he brought up is that I'm not a kid.

[01:25:22] If you're going to go on a podcast afterwards and say

[01:25:26] everything but snitch, you should have just taken the deal

[01:25:29] that they presented to you when you were first in there.

[01:25:32] Like I said, it coming out here, whining to me like, listen,

[01:25:35] I get it.

[01:25:37] I'm not trying to do 40 months in prison,

[01:25:38] but that's also why I'm not out here trying to sign documents.

[01:25:42] And especially when you take money from a major corporation

[01:25:45] and I put my own actual name on it, like.

[01:25:49] Kyrie with the hook.

[01:25:50] Oh, he traveled.

[01:25:51] Oh, they call two travels in the world.

[01:25:53] I'm proud of them.

[01:25:53] They must have heard me.

[01:25:55] Yeah, he's.

[01:25:59] I know I love when they look at the ref and then he jumped.

[01:26:02] I love when they look at the ref and they're like, yo,

[01:26:04] what you doing?

[01:26:05] Yeah, like I'm allowed to do that.

[01:26:07] Yeah.

[01:26:08] You know, you got lively on you.

[01:26:10] Here comes Jason Tatum with the switch.

[01:26:12] Here he comes.

[01:26:13] Kicks it out.

[01:26:14] Porzingis for three.

[01:26:16] No, Jason Tatum with the rebound.

[01:26:19] Porzingis coming through.

[01:26:21] Dunk.

[01:26:21] All right, so we're back up to an 11 point game now.

[01:26:24] Now look at the crowd now.

[01:26:25] See the difference?

[01:26:26] Soon as Porzingis does a couple of things.

[01:26:29] Oh, soon as the white got.

[01:26:30] No, I'm just playing.

[01:26:34] The Boston I went to love me.

[01:26:36] I'm ready to go back.

[01:26:37] All right, here goes Jason Tatum back down the court.

[01:26:40] 11 point game, 255.

[01:26:41] We're going to stay with you through the end of this quarter.

[01:26:44] You know, here he comes with lively on him again.

[01:26:47] Drew Holliday to the corner.

[01:26:48] Jalen Brown.

[01:26:50] There we go.

[01:26:51] Go to the basket.

[01:26:51] Draw the foul.

[01:26:52] There you go.

[01:26:54] Lively about to get a tech.

[01:26:56] This is what I was talking about.

[01:26:58] You got lively and Gaffer out of the paint.

[01:27:01] Go to the basket.

[01:27:02] You know, even if they're on you, somebody's open.

[01:27:05] Yeah.

[01:27:05] And that he's acting like he didn't follow him.

[01:27:08] Like, yeah, you can't body check them.

[01:27:10] Like, like if he jumps into you, you can't go to him.

[01:27:15] Like he was right.

[01:27:16] He was doing a sidestep.

[01:27:17] Yeah.

[01:27:18] Now Jalen Brown.

[01:27:19] Same thing.

[01:27:20] It's an adventure when he goes to the free throw line.

[01:27:24] Yeah.

[01:27:25] Again, so maybe like I said, by no means am I an expert on this case or even fraud.

[01:27:30] But if you were a free agent or you needed this fund and you weren't working it through an

[01:27:36] official rep of a team to access the fund or the the players association president or the treasurer

[01:27:45] someone kind of vetting this program concept to you that you knew you were getting away with

[01:27:50] something.

[01:27:51] I can say he probably was better off just taking a deal.

[01:27:54] You know, or he could have or he could have truly been ignorant.

[01:27:58] You know what I mean?

[01:27:58] Like he could have just truly been, you know, maybe he trusted these dudes because

[01:28:02] I mean, these are other NBA players.

[01:28:05] Here comes Horford.

[01:28:07] Nope.

[01:28:07] That was bad.

[01:28:08] But like, you know, you got other NBA players come into you, people that you

[01:28:12] trust or whatever you may know that you're not necessarily thinking, you know.

[01:28:17] You know what friend to come to for financial advice and you know what friend not to trust.

[01:28:23] You know, that might have been a good time to call KG, right?

[01:28:29] Call somebody that made a little make some bucks in their career and ask them about this

[01:28:34] or they say, hey, so we're back on 16.

[01:28:39] Sometimes it nurses bliss.

[01:28:40] But when it comes to money, you get caught.

[01:28:42] Like I always said, like I said it, like I made a few jokes, but if you do any kind

[01:28:47] of like scheme with insurance or money or anything like that, you need to get like

[01:28:52] some kind of political official on your team in your pocket or board member on your

[01:28:57] foundation because they don't want to go down.

[01:29:00] So they'll look out for you.

[01:29:02] You can't just be out here with other dudes from the from the block.

[01:29:06] You've been hanging out with because y'all will get scooped up.

[01:29:09] You don't know that kind of world you live in.

[01:29:11] This this corporate espionage environment that you're trying to operate in is not

[01:29:16] for everybody, especially when it comes to like insurance insurance companies don't play

[01:29:20] insurance companies didn't want to pay people in Katrina because they said the tree that

[01:29:24] fell in your shed, the hurricane didn't cause that the flooding did.

[01:29:32] The wind didn't blow the tree over the water did.

[01:29:35] So we're not going to pay.

[01:29:36] We're not going to pay you those real letters that people were getting from

[01:29:40] their hurricane and flood insurance.

[01:29:41] Oh, no.

[01:29:42] Oh, the roof didn't get damaged because of the flood.

[01:29:45] Oh, that was the hurricane that blew the shoes up like you're the whole area got flooded.

[01:29:48] But yeah, your house wasn't completely submerged in water.

[01:29:53] Yeah.

[01:29:53] So he so he talked about they asked him or you know when he was on the podcast,

[01:29:58] they asked him if he had given any money to anybody throughout the course of the

[01:30:03] situation directly.

[01:30:05] And he said he gave Terrence Williams a thousand dollars because Terrence Williams

[01:30:09] was asking for money or needed money or whatever the case may be.

[01:30:13] And that was mistake number one.

[01:30:16] You should have told that to the prosecutor.

[01:30:18] Right.

[01:30:18] So so yeah, so he did that to himself.

[01:30:21] I'm tired of the Draymond and Rashid Wallace being posted everywhere as far as

[01:30:26] his distance versus warriors.

[01:30:28] They're still happening.

[01:30:29] Yeah.

[01:30:30] Like I don't know why people are so enamored with these scenarios.

[01:30:34] Like it's cool to talk about if we didn't do it all the time, it would be cool if it was like

[01:30:40] like an endearment kind of conversation.

[01:30:42] If it was like, man, can you imagine Kareem versus Shaq?

[01:30:46] You know, like something like that.

[01:30:48] But it's always like, man, these dudes could play in his arrow.

[01:30:52] He saw look in the conversations never really articulate.

[01:30:56] You know, it's not really articulated.

[01:30:58] Well, it's not a very positive conversation is very just negative and surly.

[01:31:02] Even amongst guys who play, which is like you can make it more like a comedic or entertaining conversation.

[01:31:11] But I think guys for some reason people just want to, you know, got my word, blow the.

[01:31:16] And then wonder why, like no one really gives them credibility.

[01:31:18] It's like, stop screaming all the time.

[01:31:20] Argueing like, oh, we're the best.

[01:31:21] So like no one cares.

[01:31:23] I don't know what Gilbert Arenas was trying to say because he was saying that,

[01:31:29] you know, Steph Curry does it.

[01:31:30] Oh, Horford.

[01:31:31] You know, so we're back up to 19 now.

[01:31:34] He was talking about how Steph Curry doesn't command the type of attention that Alan Iverson did.

[01:31:40] And I'm just like, yo, you because you can't.

[01:31:45] You can't you can't run like I was dribbling in the multiple people you can have people.

[01:31:51] You can have more guys on the floor, chicks and courage like people.

[01:31:54] But people are people who are very full court to you know what I mean?

[01:31:58] Yeah, to get the ball out of his hand.

[01:32:01] So what do you say?

[01:32:02] Our Jr Smith said Deladova almost died.

[01:32:06] Hard stuff.

[01:32:07] Curry in that 2015 final.

[01:32:09] Yeah, he had to go.

[01:32:10] He was like Venus.

[01:32:11] He was getting IVs.

[01:32:12] He was landing the ice tub like he was doing everything he could to just survive.

[01:32:18] I mean with the left.

[01:32:19] Nope.

[01:32:20] Survive garden stuff.

[01:32:21] Curry and I get in.

[01:32:24] See, this is what I was talking about, man.

[01:32:26] This is how I see this series going.

[01:32:28] Like, you know, in the games that Boston wins, it's going to look like this because

[01:32:35] Dallas doesn't have the third person.

[01:32:37] Like, you know, we talked about it the other night.

[01:32:39] We were ranking the players in this series, you know, Luca one Tatum two,

[01:32:44] Kyrie three, Jalen Brown four.

[01:32:46] And then it's like a run of Boston, you know what I mean?

[01:32:49] For like the next four or five players because I didn't even say poor Zingas yet.

[01:32:53] So you know what I mean?

[01:32:54] So then you got Derrick, right?

[01:32:55] Derrick White holiday.

[01:32:57] And then I might still even take Horford over PJ Washington.

[01:33:01] I take more for over PJ Washington just based off of how how they use

[01:33:06] Horford and how he, you know, like his opportunities that he gets.

[01:33:10] Like there's an expectation at Horford, every possession down the floor.

[01:33:14] If he gets an open look, he can take it.

[01:33:16] I don't think there's a lot of stuff kind of working for PJ Washington.

[01:33:20] Right.

[01:33:20] Like if he gets open, like if he's open when Luca

[01:33:23] or Kyrie looks to make the pass, then that's his opportunity.

[01:33:27] But I think I think Derrick White would move the ball to how

[01:33:30] Horford if he's in the corner and maybe.

[01:33:31] Yeah.

[01:33:32] You know what would be hilarious to me and my two five mind

[01:33:37] is if poor Zingas wins the MVP, you know, if Boston wins the series

[01:33:42] because everybody's so focused on Tatum and Brown, like,

[01:33:45] you know, like, like if Brown, if Brown gets the final 30.

[01:33:50] Yeah, because if Brown wins the MVP, the finals MVP,

[01:33:53] you know, it goes back to is Jalen Brown better than Jason Tatum?

[01:33:57] You know, if Jason Tatum wins finals MVP and goes to

[01:34:01] is he a top five player in the league or like is he here now?

[01:34:05] You know, if poor Zingas wins the MVP, it's just like,

[01:34:08] bro, we're right back at the same place with Tatum and Brown.

[01:34:12] But I think if I think both of those guys would be happy with

[01:34:17] either one of them winning MVP because that means they won.

[01:34:20] Right.

[01:34:21] There was no foul on that.

[01:34:23] Here we go into the third quarter, 86 to 66 Celtics.

[01:34:27] So going into the fourth quarter with a 20 point lead.

[01:34:30] It's been a mismatch from the opening tip.

[01:34:33] You know, Boston got hot early.

[01:34:36] Dallas just never found it outside of Luca getting hot within spots.

[01:34:40] But no one else on Dallas is shown up to include Kyrie Irvin.

[01:34:46] It's only game one.

[01:34:47] So I don't want to overreact, but you know,

[01:34:50] but this is why we talked about it.

[01:34:51] I can see this in the game.

[01:34:53] Denver had a 20 point lead in the fourth quarter and lose or 20 point lead

[01:34:59] in the third quarter end up losing that game at home.

[01:35:02] They did.

[01:35:03] You know what I mean?

[01:35:04] But that was also game seven when they were tired,

[01:35:06] not coming off of a week rest too.

[01:35:08] You get, you get a look at three, a Kyrie,

[01:35:13] Luca three at Derek White, Miss and Kyrie three,

[01:35:17] Horford miss and another Luca three in the game's 11 points.

[01:35:22] And you know all that stuff.

[01:35:23] Yeah.

[01:35:24] Which is crazy.

[01:35:26] He considered like Lucas 11 for 22 bet.

[01:35:28] I wasn't counting, but I'm pretty sure he started all probably like

[01:35:34] five for like 16.

[01:35:36] What do you think?

[01:35:38] I think he's not done like his last five or six shots.

[01:35:41] What do you think Kyrie is right now?

[01:35:43] Kyrie.

[01:35:45] What I looked in eight points, three for 12.

[01:35:53] He's got 12 points.

[01:35:55] He's six of 19, oh, a five from three, you know?

[01:36:00] So that's the difference in the game for the most part.

[01:36:02] You know, Tatum is five of 11.

[01:36:05] Brown is six of 11.

[01:36:06] You got Porzingis eight of 11, you know what I mean?

[01:36:09] And no signs of slowing down because Dallas's big men can't chase him out there.

[01:36:15] And so you're going to end up potentially switching PJ on him.

[01:36:20] There's been possessions where Jones ended up on him out of the switches.

[01:36:23] He likes these for certain reasons.

[01:36:26] I never really like noticed him do this before, but like he's holding the ball

[01:36:30] up high and like facing guys and making them like reach for it.

[01:36:33] Right.

[01:36:34] And but putting like his knee in between them.

[01:36:37] So it's like you got to like, I think he's baiting you and to try to follow him.

[01:36:41] Right.

[01:36:41] Which is smart move.

[01:36:43] Maybe like this is the thing that Porzingis,

[01:36:46] how Boston got Porzingis and Drew Holliday blows my mind.

[01:36:52] Just to think about it, like just to think about those two players,

[01:36:56] like coming to your team in one off season when you didn't have to break up your core

[01:37:02] or your best role players like you Marcus Mars a good player,

[01:37:06] but you just took the spark from the team.

[01:37:09] Right.

[01:37:09] He was the heart and soul of that Draymond role.

[01:37:12] You can win and get some sparks back.

[01:37:14] Like you can, you can start a fire with some wins.

[01:37:16] Yeah.

[01:37:17] So it's amazing if they get that move.

[01:37:19] So that could be, that could be like the clay Thompson,

[01:37:22] Kevin, if Kevin the rat moves or of like a guy like cat, I think cat,

[01:37:26] maybe cat to Milwaukee.

[01:37:28] If they have the assets to do it, I think that it could be that kind of Porzingis

[01:37:32] level move where he's like, so you just got like this guy that people kind of wrote off.

[01:37:37] But when he was on the court, he's very dynamic because

[01:37:40] young, still young, seven feet tall.

[01:37:43] Porzingis still young, seven foot three kind of written off by a couple other teams.

[01:37:47] I know I don't think cats have been written off, but I think the,

[01:37:52] I imagine that the Minnesota brass are probably thinking like we got our guy in it.

[01:37:57] We got our defender and go bear.

[01:37:59] We got, we have role players.

[01:38:02] We maybe we have a guy that could fill in cat's role.

[01:38:04] We move cat.

[01:38:05] Right.

[01:38:06] Like I said, unless you get like Kevin the rat.

[01:38:10] Or something like that, like I wouldn't move cat.

[01:38:12] So last question before we get out of here.

[01:38:15] Obviously the game's not over yet.

[01:38:16] You know, you just brought up, you know, Minnesota coming back against Denver,

[01:38:19] but let's say it stays like this.

[01:38:22] What do you see or what are you, what is your idea for Dallas in game two?

[01:38:29] I would say get, get Kyrie going before Luke.

[01:38:35] Get that out of here.

[01:38:36] I would say have Kyrie kind of initiate the offense.

[01:38:40] Going early.

[01:38:41] Cause I think he, I think he draws files because the way he plays,

[01:38:45] I think he's tough to guard.

[01:38:47] Luca is going to get you his points cause he just,

[01:38:51] he has the green light from anywhere from the coaching staff and talent wise.

[01:38:55] Like he can shoot it from 27 feet off the dribble.

[01:38:59] So he can get going and he can get high and get streaky.

[01:39:01] He can beat you off the dribble.

[01:39:03] I would say get Kyrie going first.

[01:39:05] That's a great block and then get Luca going.

[01:39:10] And then you'll get your role players cut into the rim.

[01:39:13] Cause right now, cause we, the first quarter was role players were like,

[01:39:17] Oh, Cleaver was nowhere near that.

[01:39:19] He jumped the wrong direction.

[01:39:24] The role players, like you said, how they were attacking,

[01:39:27] trying to attack for Zingas his body.

[01:39:29] Where's that?

[01:39:30] Where's the file?

[01:39:31] Come on man.

[01:39:31] Like it was no file there.

[01:39:33] Superstar call baby.

[01:39:35] So they were attacking for Zingas, but they were doing it correctly.

[01:39:38] Um, that's not a file.

[01:39:41] That's not a file.

[01:39:42] That's not a file.

[01:39:43] I see.

[01:39:44] I don't, I don't like foul calls in this, like in the playoffs or whatever,

[01:39:48] when the offensive player obviously initiates the contact.

[01:39:51] Like there's times where y'all meet each other halfway.

[01:39:54] There's times where the defender comes over.

[01:39:56] There's times where the office of player initiates it,

[01:39:59] but the reaction is so egregious.

[01:40:01] You know, you see their heads snap back, whatever.

[01:40:03] You can get caught up in that, but plays like that.

[01:40:05] That was all Luca.

[01:40:07] That was all Luca.

[01:40:08] Yeah.

[01:40:08] Like literally pushing off with his left arm every single time he touches.

[01:40:13] Every single, every single time he drives through,

[01:40:15] if he dribbles it towards the free throw line, he's pushing off.

[01:40:20] Yeah.

[01:40:21] But yeah.

[01:40:22] Um, but yeah, I think you gotta get role players involved early.

[01:40:26] You got to get the big men involved early.

[01:40:27] You got to get PJ Washington some open looks early just to build confidence,

[01:40:32] especially on the road.

[01:40:34] Um, you know, as far as I would say, go, I would get Kyrie first and then Luca

[01:40:39] because they still need, oh, that pass was too hard.

[01:40:42] Derek, like Derek Jones, he's coming up the court now.

[01:40:46] Yeah.

[01:40:46] Like that's not, that's not what you need from him.

[01:40:49] And that's what I'm saying.

[01:40:50] This is where Dallas, their lack of offense.

[01:40:53] And I don't know if this is Jason kid or if they're just playing,

[01:40:57] you know, but uh, it's like that can't be the answer.

[01:41:01] You know what I mean?

[01:41:02] That can't be the answer because one, I like, I haven't even been getting you

[01:41:06] that the refs haven't been giving you that call all night.

[01:41:08] Y'all been jumping into Port Zingas and whoever all night.

[01:41:11] And if your name ain't Luca, you haven't been getting that call.

[01:41:15] You know what I mean?

[01:41:15] Uh, so now come on, man, here we go.

[01:41:18] Come on now.

[01:41:19] Here we go.

[01:41:20] Now we might have been the watches.

[01:41:23] We probably ended up doing the whole two hours.

[01:41:26] Nothing, nothing but ball right there.

[01:41:27] And you know, like, boom, initially in the contact left and push off.

[01:41:32] Swing through.

[01:41:34] He got the left arm a little bit, but he was doing the rip.

[01:41:37] He didn't get the left arm.

[01:41:38] Luca just raised into his arm.

[01:41:41] So it wasn't as if he made a aggressive play, you know what I mean?

[01:41:44] Yeah.

[01:41:45] Yeah.

[01:41:45] It's just like, it's just like what James Harden used to grab your arm

[01:41:49] and pull you.

[01:41:51] And I'm like, how does the ref not see that?

[01:41:53] He was like, with his strong arm and then be floating with his offhand.

[01:41:59] Even if you don't see it in real time, I imagine refs watch film or team sin film,

[01:42:06] you know, to the rest to say, watch for this, you know what I mean?

[01:42:10] But like they let that man get away with it every time.

[01:42:13] Just like they let Luca get away with the chicken wing right now.

[01:42:17] All right.

[01:42:17] So we got a 17 point game, nine 37 left, you know, Luca and bounding.

[01:42:22] All right.

[01:42:22] Here's like, I like, I like, I like Prichard on them because here's the thing.

[01:42:28] I think you can induce a offensive file if you put the smaller guard on them.

[01:42:33] Yeah, I like that switch because he knows he can't just push and bang

[01:42:36] because he'll kill because he does not preach it over.

[01:42:39] Oh, look at drew holiday working.

[01:42:41] So 90 to 71, we coming up on nine minutes,

[01:42:44] Dirk Jones, Julia with the alley hoop.

[01:42:46] And I don't know why just make the simple play son.

[01:42:50] Just get the seven footer to ball, bro.

[01:42:52] You ain't got to do all this.

[01:42:53] That's what I'm saying is like those guys don't it's.

[01:42:57] I see.

[01:42:57] And this goes back to what we, what I was asking earlier when I was on cups in the gang.

[01:43:01] Where's Tim Hardaway Jr.

[01:43:03] Where's where's Dante Exum?

[01:43:05] They just get them some minutes.

[01:43:08] I mean, you're down 20, just get them some minutes, you know, like try to see if you can find that.

[01:43:13] Yeah, we got the Luca Porzinga switch that jumper looked a little off from the beginning.

[01:43:18] All right.

[01:43:19] So it's Kyrie back in the game.

[01:43:20] Yeah, here comes.

[01:43:21] So I got Derek White on Kyrie.

[01:43:23] I like the switch.

[01:43:25] They got Derek White switched on Luca.

[01:43:28] They have Richard.

[01:43:29] Oh, I like it.

[01:43:30] I like it.

[01:43:30] But you know, lively.

[01:43:31] He ain't no threat.

[01:43:32] And there you go.

[01:43:33] There's a turnover.

[01:43:34] See, there you go.

[01:43:36] There you go.

[01:43:37] 92 to 71.

[01:43:38] But what were we saying?

[01:43:40] I wanted to continue where we were.

[01:43:42] Where were we?

[01:43:42] I want to continue what we were talking about right there.

[01:43:47] What were we saying?

[01:43:48] I got you.

[01:43:51] The fact that when you wing it,

[01:43:53] you know, no, but you know, when you're looking at Dallas's role players,

[01:43:57] that's what I was talking about.

[01:43:58] Tim Hardaway and Exum, you're down 20.

[01:44:02] You know what I mean?

[01:44:03] And Lucas out here, Jack in threes.

[01:44:05] Now I know he's your best player.

[01:44:06] I know he can get streaky, but he's not a shooter.

[01:44:10] You know what I mean?

[01:44:11] Like bring Hardaway in the game for a few minutes, three minutes, see what happens.

[01:44:16] You know, I think that what it is is that if you don't do that in the previous round,

[01:44:22] like these guys are human, but there's the series that changes.

[01:44:25] Like, you know, I mean, there's some series where your big man can't play

[01:44:29] depending on here we go.

[01:44:30] Jeff Teague, right?

[01:44:32] We've talked about club 520.

[01:44:34] He was like, man, we were still on the bench.

[01:44:35] We knew we weren't getting into the game.

[01:44:36] He's like, we weren't even like paying if he's like he's like,

[01:44:39] he's low key hope we lost.

[01:44:42] So it's like these guys are human.

[01:44:44] I know they're professionals, but it's like if I'm already out here, I'm playing.

[01:44:49] You're not giving me no burn.

[01:44:51] I've been in the league X amount of years.

[01:44:53] I've hit big shots.

[01:44:54] I played big minutes.

[01:44:56] If you push me to the, if you got me down at 11 or 12 in this rotation,

[01:45:01] don't just yank me in when it's 20.

[01:45:03] Like putting a veteran like Tim Hardaway Jr.

[01:45:05] in the game when you're down 21 and you're not calling anything for him.

[01:45:09] When you were down six, when you were down 14,

[01:45:12] that's when you put a guy who's a spot up shooter.

[01:45:14] Right. 14, when they were down 14 in the first half, he should have got some runs.

[01:45:19] But even X him just to have another ball handler, like not even looking at it from

[01:45:23] an offense standpoint or not even, you know, for scoring, not even looking at it.

[01:45:27] And he provides defense as well.

[01:45:29] So, you know, if something's not working, six, seven or six, eight.

[01:45:32] Yeah.

[01:45:32] Yeah.

[01:45:33] Get him on a few possessions, but that's, I think that's probably how hard I haven't seen

[01:45:39] much in the second half.

[01:45:40] Because you, I think that's the rotation when you're up to give Luca and Kyrie a break.

[01:45:46] I don't know if you have the rotation aware.

[01:45:51] I need a role player to make some shots.

[01:45:58] But in this scenario that I'm presenting,

[01:46:00] you don't even need to take Kyrie or Luca out.

[01:46:02] Take Derek Jones out.

[01:46:03] You know what I mean?

[01:46:04] Like take PJ out for three or four minutes.

[01:46:06] I don't know if that gets you because the, the, the way, when you go to your bench, you

[01:46:12] want to get, you want to get, you want to, when you go to X him, you want Luke off

[01:46:16] the floor because X him is not going to give you anything other than ball handling

[01:46:20] essentially.

[01:46:20] So having him and Luke on the floor, he's just, he's just another body.

[01:46:25] He can play the Derek Jones role, but finish he can, you know, or make a better

[01:46:28] pass than Derek Jones to have to make all that alley hoop.

[01:46:32] You know what I mean?

[01:46:32] Like, you know, he can provide defense.

[01:46:34] Like I said, having them on the court is to give Luke a break, but that's probably

[01:46:39] predicated on being in the lead.

[01:46:41] Right.

[01:46:41] Right.

[01:46:42] So you can give Luca a little bit more of extended break because when you're

[01:46:45] down this many points, putting them in the game for two minutes does what?

[01:46:49] So it was like, what's the point of taking Luke out if his backup isn't

[01:46:52] going to give me anything?

[01:46:53] Well, I wasn't necessarily advocating that, you know, he needs to come in

[01:46:57] in the fourth quarter down 21, but I'm saying like, but I'm just saying

[01:47:01] in general, like they're what the lead wasn't always 21 or 27 or, you know,

[01:47:06] whatever exploded.

[01:47:08] They had a 23 to 5 run through all of the rotations out the window.

[01:47:12] Like how are we talking about?

[01:47:13] Yeah.

[01:47:13] I'm about to call a timeout when it was 15 to five.

[01:47:16] Why is why is why we can't cat and aunt on the bench and game five

[01:47:21] is like both of them shouldn't have been on the bench together at any

[01:47:24] point in game five against Dallas.

[01:47:27] All right, here we go.

[01:47:28] So coaches kind of stick to their rotation.

[01:47:31] Still a 21 point game coming up on eight 10.

[01:47:34] Jason, you got green.

[01:47:36] So he was green in the game for that same reason.

[01:47:38] You know what I mean?

[01:47:39] Like, like, like it's not like, I don't know, nevermind.

[01:47:43] Like, I mean, he's putting, I mean, put somebody else in like

[01:47:45] green isn't effective.

[01:47:47] Maybe, maybe the effort and practice lack because they're not

[01:47:51] getting any play time.

[01:47:52] You know, all right, here comes Kyrie, you know, with

[01:47:55] Horford on him, he's going to shake it big.

[01:47:56] Oh, he fell back up back dribbling.

[01:48:00] I'm sure there was a file in there somewhere.

[01:48:03] You know, uh, see they don't call a file there, but they gave

[01:48:07] Luca those BS files and you know, good finish by PJ Washington.

[01:48:11] So 9273 coming up on what would pass seven and a half now.

[01:48:15] So coming up on the seven minute mark, I guess we might as

[01:48:17] well see this through.

[01:48:19] Yeah, there's gonna be a long podcast, but hey, yeah,

[01:48:22] y'all wanted us to talk to NBA.

[01:48:23] We talk at NBA.

[01:48:24] Here we go.

[01:48:25] NBA baby.

[01:48:26] Yeah.

[01:48:26] Yeah.

[01:48:27] You know, with Kyrie on them, you know, and this is the

[01:48:30] moments that I get pissed off.

[01:48:31] Take his ass.

[01:48:32] Yeah.

[01:48:33] Get down there.

[01:48:34] You know, why'd you take that shot?

[01:48:35] Even if you made it.

[01:48:36] So what like, no, because you can see the eyes.

[01:48:39] Everybody's waiting for him to be Kyrie up the dribble.

[01:48:43] But that's fine.

[01:48:43] You open up a shop for somebody else.

[01:48:45] You know, here comes lively.

[01:48:47] Is that his first point to the game?

[01:48:49] Looks like it.

[01:48:50] You know, there you go.

[01:48:51] And so yeah, so yeah, Dallas has a lot to go back

[01:48:56] to look at.

[01:48:57] Like if I'm Jason kid, I'm disgusted right now, but I'm more

[01:49:01] disgusted with myself and you know, like we're seeing the

[01:49:04] stats right now.

[01:49:06] Seven assists and 10 turnovers for Dallas, you know, seven

[01:49:09] assists in the fourth quarter of an NBA finals game.

[01:49:12] That's the seven assists totals.

[01:49:13] I didn't see it on the screen.

[01:49:15] It was on the bottom of the screen with Luca playing all

[01:49:18] these minutes.

[01:49:18] You got 17 assists.

[01:49:20] You got 17, not 17.

[01:49:24] And you got 10 turnovers.

[01:49:26] Now there you go.

[01:49:26] Put lively on the free throw line.

[01:49:29] But they try to lob it to him because that's how you can

[01:49:31] get out of them.

[01:49:32] You know, so yeah, yeah, if I'm Jason kid, like I said,

[01:49:36] I'm frustrated with myself because I feel like I'm a part

[01:49:39] of why this got out of hand, you know, and especially

[01:49:43] from the fact that you're a point guard, you're one of

[01:49:45] the best point guards in NBA history.

[01:49:48] You know, some people, you know, probably got you top 10

[01:49:51] at worst, but some people probably have you closer to

[01:49:53] the top five.

[01:49:54] You know, this is where as a point guard, you talk to

[01:49:58] your guards at halftime and I'm not even saying that

[01:50:02] he didn't, but you know, obviously the product isn't

[01:50:05] showing that he did.

[01:50:06] All right.

[01:50:07] So here comes Derek White now Jason Tatum.

[01:50:09] We got six minutes left in counting Jason Tatum with

[01:50:12] Luca on them.

[01:50:13] See, this is the moment abuse him kicks it to

[01:50:16] Horford with green on him.

[01:50:17] Horford going to the basket into the big man drew

[01:50:20] holiday in the corner for three.

[01:50:22] There you go.

[01:50:23] So we're back up to 24 again and, you know, like

[01:50:26] this is pretty much the theme of the night.

[01:50:28] I'm not saying it's time to wave the white towel,

[01:50:31] but you know, this would be one of those moments

[01:50:33] where if Luca or Kyrie suffer an untimely injury

[01:50:37] to some degree, you got nobody to blame but

[01:50:39] yourself.

[01:50:40] So, you know, knock on wood because we don't want

[01:50:42] that to happen, but here comes drew holiday

[01:50:45] Horford, Jalen Brown in the quarter for three

[01:50:49] things that he got filed.

[01:50:51] So three free throws coming up.

[01:50:53] Let's see.

[01:50:54] I want to see the replay because I didn't get a

[01:50:55] good look at it.

[01:50:56] It happened kind of quick.

[01:50:57] Here we go.

[01:50:58] Let's see.

[01:50:58] Oh, this is going to be the Horford replay to

[01:51:01] drew holiday.

[01:51:02] Yeah.

[01:51:03] So like, yeah, I don't know.

[01:51:05] Like this has been a very quick game because

[01:51:08] we're at an hour and 56 and we started at

[01:51:11] tip off.

[01:51:12] Yeah.

[01:51:12] So this is what we started.

[01:51:14] We started a few minutes after tip off.

[01:51:16] We were already three minutes into the game.

[01:51:17] You know, so, so yeah.

[01:51:20] Yeah, it was definitely, it was only, yeah, it was

[01:51:22] a couple of minutes tops.

[01:51:26] Yeah.

[01:51:26] So, you know, but that's what happens.

[01:51:28] They're playing Dallas is playing the way that

[01:51:31] Boston wants them to play.

[01:51:33] You know, they talk about which team is going

[01:51:35] to impose their will or put their imprint on

[01:51:38] the game.

[01:51:39] Boston came out early.

[01:51:40] Jalen Brown at the free throw line.

[01:51:42] I didn't know it was that I told you it's an

[01:51:44] adventure.

[01:51:44] Like he's close to 60% on like 65% on the season.

[01:51:49] Let's see.

[01:51:50] Let me look that up in fact, check my, I think,

[01:51:52] I think, I think I'm pretty accurate on that

[01:51:54] though.

[01:51:55] I don't, I didn't see him as one of those

[01:51:58] shaky.

[01:51:58] Yeah.

[01:51:58] He's not a good free throw shooter at all.

[01:52:00] Like, uh, so let's see for the season.

[01:52:05] Is that PJ?

[01:52:06] Carlos?

[01:52:06] The staff.

[01:52:08] He was just at 70% this season for the whole

[01:52:11] season.

[01:52:13] That's crazy.

[01:52:13] I think in beach was around like 85, something

[01:52:16] like that.

[01:52:17] Yeah.

[01:52:17] Anthony Davis is around, uh, 85 or so.

[01:52:21] Yeah.

[01:52:22] I think Kyrie is probably close to 90, but

[01:52:24] Luke, I think Lucas is 70 something percent guy.

[01:52:26] I think Lebron a lot of.

[01:52:27] Yeah.

[01:52:28] So check it out.

[01:52:28] So check it out for his career in the

[01:52:31] playoffs.

[01:52:32] This is Jalen Brown's free throw stats.

[01:52:34] Okay.

[01:52:35] 66.7, 64, 76.7, 84.1, 76.3, 68.9

[01:52:43] in this year, 63, 63.

[01:52:48] Yeah.

[01:52:49] Eastern conference finals, MVP.

[01:52:53] And he's about the wind NBA finals, MVP.

[01:52:56] Maybe.

[01:52:59] Poor Zangus is going to be hot, but I

[01:53:01] think Jalen Brown is going to, he's going

[01:53:03] to get the same.

[01:53:04] He's going to play the same as like the

[01:53:09] same way he played in these conference

[01:53:10] finals.

[01:53:11] What it was like those spurts where you

[01:53:13] need that aggressive play, the rebound,

[01:53:17] the shot.

[01:53:18] I think he made those plays and that's

[01:53:20] where Tatum didn't, I mean, I think the

[01:53:23] shot in game one, I think people were

[01:53:26] locked into that.

[01:53:27] Right.

[01:53:27] Then in game four, the plays he made

[01:53:30] down the stretch coupled with the

[01:53:32] fact that he was the engine, the

[01:53:36] highest scoring engine, you know, Drew

[01:53:37] holidays running into, but Jason Tatum

[01:53:40] didn't really initiate a lot, like a

[01:53:42] lot of the runs, like a lot of other

[01:53:44] people initiate the run and then he

[01:53:45] kind of mixes in the middle.

[01:53:47] He'll get eight points, like he'll

[01:53:49] knock down a couple of step back

[01:53:50] jumpers, a three, maybe a couple of

[01:53:52] free throws.

[01:53:53] It will get you like eight or nine

[01:53:54] points in this 22, 24 point barrage.

[01:53:58] Right.

[01:53:59] Jalen Brown would be the guy that

[01:54:00] starts it off with either defensive

[01:54:01] play or he'll lock down the other

[01:54:03] team's defender.

[01:54:04] He'll get the big rebound and he'll

[01:54:05] get the block and then maybe he gets

[01:54:08] four or five points to that 24, but he

[01:54:12] it looks like he's doing more on both

[01:54:14] ends.

[01:54:15] He versus Tatum.

[01:54:17] Yeah.

[01:54:18] So you know, you know, people out

[01:54:20] there watching people in the

[01:54:22] comments, you know, what are you

[01:54:23] seeing tonight?

[01:54:24] What are your thoughts from game one

[01:54:25] so far?

[01:54:26] What adjustments do you make if

[01:54:28] you're Dallas and game two, you know,

[01:54:30] hit us up.

[01:54:32] But yeah, I look at, I look at it

[01:54:34] and obviously you don't expect Kyrie

[01:54:36] to play this bad again in game two.

[01:54:39] You know, he's dribbling it off his

[01:54:40] foot.

[01:54:40] He's traveling, you know, so even

[01:54:43] outside of just missing shots, he's

[01:54:44] just not playing well and I don't

[01:54:46] want to do the cliche, right?

[01:54:48] You know, said is he caught up

[01:54:50] because they're in Boston, you know,

[01:54:52] I don't want to do that.

[01:54:53] You know what I mean?

[01:54:54] But could there be a little bit

[01:54:55] of nerves involved, you know, even

[01:54:57] though Kyrie is the killer and all

[01:55:00] that kind of stuff, he is human at

[01:55:01] the end of the day, you know, so,

[01:55:04] so did has plan in Boston.

[01:55:08] Did he come out ready to prove

[01:55:09] himself or go nuts or whatever?

[01:55:13] Did the Boston crowd take him out

[01:55:14] of it, you know, there's a

[01:55:16] storyline there.

[01:55:17] There's a storyline.

[01:55:17] I don't think so.

[01:55:18] I think I don't think so either,

[01:55:19] but I'm just asking what years

[01:55:21] and then he spent two years

[01:55:22] basically being like the hey,

[01:55:24] LeBron was in the league for what?

[01:55:27] Nine years when he couldn't

[01:55:28] handle being the villain.

[01:55:30] No, I'm just talking about like

[01:55:31] since since he was already a

[01:55:33] veteran and then the two years

[01:55:36] post the vaccine up until pretty

[01:55:39] much this playoff run.

[01:55:41] It wasn't a lot of people

[01:55:42] give him a lot of faith.

[01:55:43] He's faith.

[01:55:43] He was still getting a lot of grief.

[01:55:45] So I think he's just he's kind

[01:55:46] of used to that, you know,

[01:55:47] he talks about his humility

[01:55:49] and, you know, just kind

[01:55:50] of being centered in who he is.

[01:55:51] So I don't think that gets to him.

[01:55:53] I just think that a team that

[01:55:55] was 12 and two in this playoff

[01:55:57] run added a seven foot three

[01:55:59] unicorn and they haven't missed a beat.

[01:56:02] Look at that.

[01:56:03] Exum the Hardy, you know?

[01:56:08] Yeah, you know, but here we go.

[01:56:10] Derek White, you know,

[01:56:11] we're coming up on four minutes,

[01:56:13] you know, 22 point game.

[01:56:15] Jason Tatum with the crossover

[01:56:16] going all the way there's a foul.

[01:56:18] Looks like Dallas is waving

[01:56:20] a white flag.

[01:56:20] Davis is waving the white flag.

[01:56:22] So I guess we might as well

[01:56:23] wave the white flag to, you know,

[01:56:25] Kyrie with the towel on his head.

[01:56:27] You know, to be like is the Kyrie

[01:56:29] with the towel on his head?

[01:56:31] Is that going to be the Yoke

[01:56:32] it's standing up during game six?

[01:56:36] Remember on Jersey Kyrie?

[01:56:38] Yeah, I know it.

[01:56:40] Right in his jersey.

[01:56:42] Like you knew it was on when

[01:56:43] he got hungry, you know, said.

[01:56:46] But yeah, Derek White, you know,

[01:56:47] we're winding this down four minutes.

[01:56:50] Jason Tatum couldn't get it

[01:56:52] to Horford out of bounds.

[01:56:53] Bosses ball.

[01:56:55] Yeah, I think we're at a good point.

[01:56:56] You know, we hit the two hour mark.

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[01:57:31] There you go.

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