HIT THE ROAD CAL

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[00:00:03] You know the Chinese sensation if you will you know national game is here, but yo here we are

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[00:00:14] He is representing new Javruz

[00:00:18] Dedicated veteran and father saying fresh feet fresh fade with the Dejante Murray part as he put it

[00:00:25] You know say even though it's more easy to me

[00:00:29] you know

[00:00:31] Don't

[00:00:33] Bring feelings to a fact fight don't do it. You know Sam mr. Locke mr. Locke

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[00:00:44] Going so left that you bought our South Park in regardless of what you may have heard in the past regardless of what you think I

[00:00:53] Will not I repeat I will not

[00:00:57] Be apologizing like Jermaine Cole

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[00:01:45] Yeah, he got up there

[00:01:47] He said it wasn't feeling right in his soul and in his spirit and that he loves Kendrick

[00:01:52] To pimple butterflies one of the greatest hours ever and

[00:01:56] You know like the fan the responses online people were talking violently and all this kind of stuff

[00:02:02] And it just didn't sit right with him

[00:02:04] So, you know he wanted to end it before it went much further and not disrupt his peace anymore

[00:02:10] You know

[00:02:12] These is a so this is my problem

[00:02:15] And I know we didn't even plan to talk about this

[00:02:17] I'm gonna say this real quick and we'll get right to it

[00:02:19] But but you know like it's one of those things right you can't be sitting up here talking about

[00:02:24] I'm the best. I'm the best. I'm the best when I look at drink

[00:02:28] I see the spider-man meme and then it's like yo, it's time to show improve and it's like now

[00:02:33] I feel like it, you know because I

[00:02:36] Truly do think that

[00:02:39] He has an argument of like yo, I'm the best rapper right now

[00:02:43] He's in the conversation you could make the argument but but

[00:02:50] Kendrick just happens to be the better artist

[00:02:53] You know who does the other things outside of just the rom-spinning

[00:02:58] You know what I mean? So like bar for bar. Yeah, he's right there with Kendrick. You know what I mean, but I

[00:03:05] Like this album. I listen to it at the barbershop. I was in the barbershop for probably about

[00:03:10] Half an hour before I got in the chair give a take and I was in the chair for like an hour or so

[00:03:14] So what I listened to it?

[00:03:17] one

[00:03:18] full time all the way through and

[00:03:21] Then a couple of guys a guy came in after me while I was in the chair and he wanted to hear a couple of tracks

[00:03:30] Over so we probably listen to like a full time and then listen to it again

[00:03:35] And I listened to it later at night. I like it. I like

[00:03:40] I'm ready 24 because that's one of my favorite beats. I wish jewels was on it though

[00:03:47] Even though J Cole did a jewels flow. I wish he was on it

[00:03:52] But yeah, I'm gonna put hashtag J Cole since we talking about it. Maybe we'll get some more followers

[00:03:57] Well, you know, I might you know going off of the name of his album. I might delete it now

[00:04:03] Haha, it was like I said the album was dope

[00:04:07] But you know, like I don't like the apology seems weird

[00:04:11] Well, I mean even with seven minute drill like, you know when when the beat change came on

[00:04:16] You know, like I was ready and then body bag body bag

[00:04:21] I was like, okay, okay, and then I was just like, oh you gonna let this rocket fly, huh?

[00:04:27] You know, but then you know after that it was just like whatever

[00:04:30] But anyway tonight y'all we gonna talk about the moves in the shockwaves around the college basketball world

[00:04:38] Coach Calipari finally doing the right thing and getting out of Lexington

[00:04:43] Like he should have three years ago when I originally wanted him to and then we're just gonna have a conversation about college

[00:04:50] Basketball in general to include

[00:04:53] Caitlyn Clark the final four so on and so forth. So let's get this thing started. Yeah

[00:04:59] So I wanted Cal gone three years ago. You know why?

[00:05:04] Because I didn't want this day to come

[00:05:07] What day is that the day where he leaves because

[00:05:12] He hates Kentucky and Kentucky hates him

[00:05:15] You know, so originally when coach Cal came to Kentucky. I was excited

[00:05:21] You know, this was the guy that coach Marcus Camby

[00:05:23] This was the guy that coach Tyree Evans and Derek Rose, you know, like hey bring that talent to Kentucky

[00:05:30] Times two times three John Wall bled so the Marcus Cousins so on so forth. Carl Anthony Towns

[00:05:37] Devin Booker was coming off the bench

[00:05:40] You know saying De'Aaron Fox

[00:05:42] Malik Monk, you know, so it was a good time to be a Kentucky fan until

[00:05:48] Coach Cal got it twisted and I know that he was trying to say the right things, you know

[00:05:56] Like we had the gear where I think it was what five or six players drafted in the first round to include

[00:06:03] Daniel Orton who averaged three points off the bench and

[00:06:07] He said this is like winning a national champ

[00:06:10] No, it is not like winning a national championship winning a national championship is like winning a national championship

[00:06:18] Kentucky is second all-time in national titles at eight side note

[00:06:22] It's crazy as hell that if you calm wins this game tonight

[00:06:27] They're gonna pass Duke and national championships and tie North Carolina and they did it in 25 years

[00:06:36] There's a big conversation that we get into later as far as like

[00:06:40] Why you go there? Yeah, but but you know, but but like Cal so so when Cal came in I think

[00:06:46] You know fans are fans right fans aren't rational

[00:06:50] So so a lot of the word finished is a short for fanatic

[00:06:54] Yeah, so a lot of fans when Cal came in thinking of the talent that he could bring to Kentucky

[00:07:01] People were like yo we catching UCLA

[00:07:04] Because right now UCLA has an 11 to 8 advantage

[00:07:08] So, you know people were like yo Cal's coming through but then he let Duke come through take his program

[00:07:15] The one and done and then they won two titles off of it and he only won one

[00:07:21] So at this point is time to switch it up a little bit and he was unwilling to do so

[00:07:27] So we talked the other day before this even happened

[00:07:31] We talked about the teams that came out of Kentucky's region when they had easy regions or

[00:07:37] Top seeds in their regions fell and they had pathways to walk to the final four and they couldn't do it

[00:07:45] So I wanted him gone three years ago. So this predates

[00:07:49] St. Peters, so I wasn't reacting to hey St. Peters beat us as a 15 seed

[00:07:55] You know, I wasn't reacting to you know losing to Oakland and now you got to go

[00:08:00] I saw the right in on the wall, you know, like I always say I talked to my eight-year son as if he's 11

[00:08:07] Because I don't want to have certain conversations with him at 11 if I can dip it now

[00:08:12] So so in 2019

[00:08:14] Mitch Barnhart who should be gone as well

[00:08:18] decided to give Calipari a lifetime contract and I think

[00:08:23] For a dude that hasn't made the final forces 2015

[00:08:27] Real quick real quick. What's the capacity of fans and Rump arena?

[00:08:31] I'm not sure to be honest with you. Well, cuz I'm pretty sure Calipari keeps that packed

[00:08:36] That's why your lifetime contract to keep going. No, definitely definitely definitely

[00:08:40] You know what I mean, but but the point being is that I

[00:08:46] Understand how hard it is to win a title because you know, it's one and done might or mark or Tom is oh

[00:08:53] Has it won since 2000 by the way if Purdue wins tonight

[00:08:58] That's the first big 10 title since 2000. So I get how hard it is to win a national title

[00:09:06] But when you come in with this talent every year, I don't think it's too much for me to ask you

[00:09:12] That if you're here for say 15 years

[00:09:16] I don't think two titles is too much

[00:09:19] With all the talent that you've brought in

[00:09:22] you know

[00:09:25] Realistically

[00:09:27] If you fact you should have five four or five you should have been a five

[00:09:31] But I'm just but I'm trying to be rational I'm trying to be rational, you know

[00:09:39] Look at the look at the NBA talent that he had on this roster

[00:09:43] It's one thing to be like oh your college coach. You should get two out of 15 years

[00:09:49] But he had lottery picks

[00:09:53] Couple with lottery picks in the same introduction now what's my new saying?

[00:10:00] You got to be loyal to your logic

[00:10:03] So that your logic can be loyal to you. So with that being said it's hard to say that

[00:10:09] When I look at somebody like coach K

[00:10:12] You know, who was that Duke? You know for what 40 over 40 years or whatever it was and

[00:10:19] He only got five, you know to me I say he should have been a five champion now

[00:10:26] It's a one-and-done tournaments was a very tough tournament but

[00:10:30] Coach K

[00:10:32] Not only did he I think he coached in 11 says like every four years or so. He was right when everything every three and a quarter

[00:10:42] Multiple elite eighths multiple final fours one five championships

[00:10:47] Iconic NBA players came through his program

[00:10:50] How many coach didn't coach the the the Olympic team and that whole program

[00:10:54] So he shows that he does have that kind of cachet with Calipari. It might be a situation where

[00:11:02] His charisma

[00:11:05] Got him the players and the players natural ability

[00:11:09] Got the team over the hump. Well, how long has daddy Hurley been at Yukon now? I

[00:11:16] Don't know I've done a research

[00:11:19] I would say this is your for I would say this is your yeah

[00:11:23] Like year four or five he had two first round exits and now he's in bat the back national title games

[00:11:28] So he's already did in about a quarter of the time

[00:11:33] He's going to pass you if they win tonight

[00:11:37] You know what I mean, so like you're at Kentucky, you know what I mean, you don't get to do this

[00:11:42] You know, so that's where I'm looking at it from the standpoint of I

[00:11:46] Wasn't looking at it from the standpoint of you didn't win a national title recently so you got to go

[00:11:52] I was looking at it from the standpoint of I think he hasn't been the same

[00:11:57] Since they lost that 2015

[00:11:59] Final four when they were 38 no Carl Anthony towns Tyler Eulis

[00:12:04] Devin Booker the Harrison twins may be has been the same maybe the fact that he had that team and the team just I've

[00:12:12] I've can see a situation where

[00:12:16] I think the final four teams that made their run last year. I

[00:12:22] Believe they got there not because of overwhelming talent

[00:12:26] But because I can intrinsic belief in

[00:12:30] Everybody in a room coach believed the player player believe in the coach player believe the fellow player and you can run with that

[00:12:37] I think Calipari goes I'm gonna put all these great rappers on a mix track on it on the same track

[00:12:47] But the beat is I don't really like it, but they're so good lyrically

[00:12:52] They're gonna put out a hot track

[00:12:54] But if you think about like all about the Benjamin's the locks were still coming about coming with it

[00:12:59] You know way and like but that track soon as it comes on you know, it's hot

[00:13:04] But all these a call it tracks is a lot of hot artists

[00:13:07] Do you really think about them as much as I think is a more that's you know what you just made me think of

[00:13:12] I'm listening the first time I watched the grown-ups

[00:13:16] You know where like you got all these comedians. They're all funny

[00:13:20] but you gotta be able to showcase all of them and

[00:13:24] You got a final way to make it even I guess like where Chris rock doesn't have too much of the funny that

[00:13:32] Kevin James is overshadowed or having James doesn't do too much slapstick and David Spade doesn't do too much off the script stuff

[00:13:39] Right, you know

[00:13:41] That's and that's part of what cuz cuz Cal is like a real

[00:13:46] He's an enigma like I don't think he's I don't know if he's a coach is more of he's just he's a motivator

[00:13:53] He's a mentor or he's a yeah, like like he's he's the dad

[00:13:58] You know to me whereas like somebody else is probably doing the X's and O's

[00:14:02] Assistant coaches or like Davos, we need in a certain way at Clemson, you know, like he's not calling plays

[00:14:08] You know, but he's that father figure of I'm a hold you accountable

[00:14:14] Like doing the head coach things where so Cal apart is doing the

[00:14:21] I'm managing personalities

[00:14:24] Thing you know, Harry is out there shaking hands and kissing babies. Yeah, that's who gave her a crutch there

[00:14:31] That's who and then figuring your 611

[00:14:35] Your 610

[00:14:37] You can play defense you have abnormally long arms. I'm gonna put you guys on the floor

[00:14:43] And when the time comes your athleticism and effect that you're better than Oakland is going to win us the game, right?

[00:14:52] To the fact it was like yo, let me just double this dude. That's gone

[00:14:56] 10 for 20 from 3 and that's why I said if you if you go back and look at

[00:15:02] the losses

[00:15:04] Going back to Memphis, you know the tournament losses

[00:15:07] The common theme is free throw shooting and

[00:15:10] Your best shooter are having an all-time bad game, you know, not just a bad game

[00:15:17] But your best shooter going like last year Antonio Reeves went something like

[00:15:21] One for 15 or something, you know

[00:15:25] Grady Edwards went one for nine against St. Peter's like just and as a coach

[00:15:29] You should be like, you know what my best shooters have an off night. How do I get him a

[00:15:36] Look at the rim. How do I get him to the free throw line?

[00:15:39] How do I you gotta look at me say listen dog? You have an off night, right?

[00:15:43] You all see your man having off night. This is what we're gonna do

[00:15:46] We're gonna hit the pin down over here. I want you to get a back cut get the layup

[00:15:52] I need you to see the ball go through the hoop that way you take it take it off his mind like yo

[00:15:58] I'm having an off night

[00:16:00] But the coach is coach is gonna hook me up

[00:16:02] It's sometimes just I think that's the level of coach that you that you come to

[00:16:06] Well, then the other problem is going back to the grown-ups reference

[00:16:09] Is that you you're bringing in all these people, you know, Justin Edwards

[00:16:13] Reed Shepard dj Wagner so on so forth

[00:16:17] Aaron Bradshaw

[00:16:19] You're bringing in all these people that need minutes or that want minutes because they're trying to showcase themselves for the mba

[00:16:26] You you promise them whatever you promise them

[00:16:29] So now you're tinkering with your line-ups because instead of being able to put

[00:16:34] The best team on the floor that can put you in position to win

[00:16:38] You probably made promises to these people's camps

[00:16:42] That they're going to play this many minutes a game or you know, like instead of playing this junior

[00:16:48] Who provides something different?

[00:16:51] You got to put Justin Edwards back in the game because he's the top five recruiter

[00:16:55] Whatever he was and I'm pretty sure that's a delicate balance for a college coach

[00:16:59] But I think aside from that is left, but I think that's what I want to put you in a position

[00:17:03] Of where you're going to make the team successful and that's but I think he has it on a different level

[00:17:09] It's like playing speeds and you got seven in the possible in your hand

[00:17:13] You should get that seven in the possible

[00:17:15] But that's the problem. You should be you shouldn't be fighting for six with three cards left

[00:17:21] But I think that's the problem is that if you have four of those guys

[00:17:25] You can designate one as your sixth man that closes games. So he still gets 25 minutes

[00:17:33] You know, but you're staggering a little bit like

[00:17:36] Three of them are on the floor at the same time and he finishes the game with them

[00:17:40] But when you're doing it with seven or eight of them

[00:17:43] You know what I mean? It's like remember the portland trailblazers probably early 2000s around the the

[00:17:51] When they had a starting lineup of guys on their bench, right

[00:17:56] They're like greg anthony ron stricklin

[00:17:59] Pippin was she wild so they had all these guys and it's like

[00:18:03] You guys have a starting lineup on the bench

[00:18:05] And you can't really get

[00:18:09] That many guys in rotation

[00:18:11] In a 48 minute game

[00:18:13] It's like an embarrassment of riches

[00:18:15] Right, and I think he just kind of got into that whole mode of recruiting recruiting recruiting recruiting

[00:18:23] My recruits will bail me out

[00:18:25] If you look around rump arena successful Drake's day all the time

[00:18:29] Yeah, that that that night that midnight madness

[00:18:32] It was like that's the first midnight madness. I can recall, you know tv

[00:18:36] Whereas like the students came out the players came out the smoke machines or shoot threes at midnight at rump arena

[00:18:42] The fact that I know rump arena is like

[00:18:46] I think a lot I can get to your head especially when you're in that rare fried air that calipari's in

[00:18:51] To where I don't know how many voices you hear

[00:18:54] I'm the people it within the organization that

[00:18:58] You might for lack of a better word outrank

[00:19:01] You listen to so

[00:19:03] I mean, that's that's what that's that's like I said

[00:19:05] Well, that's the other problem for a lot of the time at kentucky. He brought in yes men people like tony barbie

[00:19:11] You know have that you know bruiser flint, you know saying like dudes that

[00:19:17] Basically were on because of him

[00:19:20] You know what I mean like you know what I mean like the yes men like they had their own careers

[00:19:25] Prior to him, but they weren't necessarily the most successful

[00:19:29] That is like he kept them around ranges. That's just strange just like

[00:19:35] Phenomena I see especially with men because

[00:19:39] growing up

[00:19:40] Especially young in the air force

[00:19:43] I

[00:19:44] When I went to Germany like I was kind of I dealt with a circle of people

[00:19:47] It was pretty dope and I remember my dad telling me something before I got to Germany. He was like listen son

[00:19:53] You only got five seatbelts in the car

[00:19:56] You can't have them all loaded up all the time

[00:20:00] Like you got five seatbelts. You can't have six seven eight frames

[00:20:03] You can't have that many people around you just

[00:20:06] Absorb in your time and absorb the energy because they're getting away

[00:20:09] Right, like you can't you can't go out five deep

[00:20:12] Let's you know for anybody watching you can't go out five of y'all

[00:20:16] He's like, what if you meet some women?

[00:20:18] Where you gonna put them if your car loaded your car loaded with dudes and then you got a car

[00:20:22] We're gonna put them

[00:20:23] I know that sounds real superficial

[00:20:25] But the point was like you can't have that many people around you because

[00:20:29] It's just like that many people don't need to be in your space

[00:20:33] Like you don't need that many people in your entourage and I think sometimes

[00:20:38] I would rather someone

[00:20:40] Argued with me intellectually versus agree with me to appease me because I can't grow if you agree with me and appease me

[00:20:48] I can't like we talked about the lh shoe coach and we'll get back to Calipari

[00:20:52] I was saying I think I text you like the third quarter at least to group the hot box out that hot box

[00:20:57] I'm like why is hailey still on katlyn with like three or four minutes left in the third is like

[00:21:02] This is not a matchup you want

[00:21:05] Have her stick to another girl that's her size and put one of these long athletic

[00:21:09] Uh

[00:21:11] twos or threes on kate garden gabby marshall or something

[00:21:14] Exactly she could have been guarded somebody that stands in the corner because obviously was in her head and like

[00:21:20] Everybody wants 22 to shoot

[00:21:23] She's out there playing for life and then she comes down throw a bad pass and she is taking out of the game

[00:21:28] And just and just going back to next year 22 wanted you

[00:21:32] You know what I mean

[00:21:35] Last year when you when she beat you and they came back and did it again. So it's like

[00:21:41] It just is this one of those things where yeah, you need somebody that's going to be able to whisper in your ear

[00:21:46] That's why you can't keep that many people because like mad can't help

[00:21:51] You can't have that many people

[00:21:53] You know

[00:21:55] Are you ahead of me or am I headed you I'm at halftime already

[00:21:58] I'm

[00:21:59] I was looking at the the replay montage of halftime. So i'm at the medical market right now

[00:22:04] Yes, so 36 to 30 ucon out there ladies and gentlemen

[00:22:08] We're at halftime in the national title game on

[00:22:11] ucon's

[00:22:12] Attempt to repeat produce attempt to win their first national title

[00:22:15] But yeah back to cala party like as so as I look at this

[00:22:19] You know he had

[00:22:20] Bruiser flint who was with him at umass went on the coach at drexel

[00:22:25] Did nothing came back to cal Tony barbie

[00:22:28] went down to

[00:22:30] utep

[00:22:31] Came along joined cal at meffes did nothing

[00:22:35] So on so forth for a lot of years and you know, but going forward, you know, I know

[00:22:43] A lot of kentucky fans since I don't even know

[00:22:47] 2015 since they lost in the final four have been wanting billy donovan to come through

[00:22:53] You know to take over

[00:22:55] I think that dany hurley's going to get the first call just off of

[00:22:59] Diligence if we got to do this scott drew at biller's going to be the second call if hurley says no, which I expected to

[00:23:06] um

[00:23:07] You know drew turnt down louisville just a week and a half two weeks ago

[00:23:12] And then from there who knows you know, uh, if it were me and I was trying to look at the future

[00:23:18] I like tog golden at florida

[00:23:20] You know, um, if you're trying to get the name the splashy name

[00:23:24] You might as well try to see what bruce pearl

[00:23:27] What his interest level is?

[00:23:29] Because he just seems like a kentucky coach to me or like not necessarily a kentucky coach, but

[00:23:35] one of those big school

[00:23:38] non dupe carolina, but like a big school

[00:23:41] He's not a drexel guy. Yeah, so so from that standpoint. That's the way that I look at it

[00:23:46] That's my take on it. But I want to warn coach calipari right now

[00:23:51] I want to warn him right now because I do care about you cal

[00:23:55] I'm not going to forget about the good times that you brought into my life

[00:23:59] You know, I know that things didn't end the right way, but I want you to be happy

[00:24:03] But this is my advice for you

[00:24:05] Don't you go down to arkansas trying to do the same damn thing that you was doing at kentucky?

[00:24:10] Because while arkansas is not kentucky they think they are

[00:24:15] You know, they are

[00:24:17] They are passionate. You know, I think they'll be happy to have eyes

[00:24:22] I think they'll be happy to give people in town

[00:24:25] you gotta remind like those little restaurants

[00:24:29] thrive on these kind of

[00:24:32] athletic

[00:24:34] towns coming in we talked about with like a

[00:24:37] Like a military reference back when we were in korea 2012 2013 and japan was locked down

[00:24:44] And guys couldn't go off base because all the criminal behavior and everything that was going on there all the

[00:24:49] anti

[00:24:51] military integrity behavior that was going on socially they locked them down on base

[00:24:57] Guys people who retired and opened up restaurants and bars and places like that in japan

[00:25:03] They went out of business

[00:25:05] Because no one was going there

[00:25:07] Now you get a guy like calipari in

[00:25:10] Those restaurants those six dollar sandwiches

[00:25:14] They're $9.99 starting next season

[00:25:17] And they go sell a lot of them

[00:25:19] And that's gonna be that that'll be enough

[00:25:22] For two or three years. We'll see before we'll see where I was going with that is before this year

[00:25:28] Coach musselman eric musselman

[00:25:31] You know took arkansas to back the back of lead eight

[00:25:34] You know, uh arkansas has won a national title in the last 30 years or so

[00:25:40] Shut up no le richerson, you know, so so so arkansas views them mean his hair lining basketball. Yes. Yes

[00:25:47] So arkansas viewing themselves

[00:25:50] Probably

[00:25:52] A few pigs higher than they should

[00:25:55] You know, um considering

[00:25:56] You know the success after no le richerson

[00:25:59] Do you know any arkansas fans personally though or that's just something you just kind of you just

[00:26:04] Based off of

[00:26:07] Just from fan bases, you know reading message boards and you know as a kentucky fan

[00:26:12] They're in the same conference interacting with a few online

[00:26:16] You know, uh, they they viewed like so basically

[00:26:19] If that's the pig suey, right? Yeah, it's so disgusting. It's so disgusting if you look at uh

[00:26:26] Like the sec titles in basketball like the

[00:26:29] Kentucky has 49 basketball titles in the sec

[00:26:32] Number two is tennessee at 12

[00:26:38] You know what I mean, but

[00:26:41] arkansas won a national title

[00:26:43] Tennessee's never made a final four alabama didn't make a final four till this year

[00:26:48] arburn made a final four five years ago

[00:26:51] But nobody knows anything about arburn basketball except for charles barkon

[00:26:56] You know, uh, missus state made a final four back in 96

[00:27:01] You know old miss they have chris beard from texas the biter

[00:27:04] He bit his girl and all that ended up at old miss and you know to me he doesn't

[00:27:10] You know register old miss doesn't register at all

[00:27:13] unless you basketball is shack and

[00:27:15] Chris jackson before he became magmood abdul rauh

[00:27:18] You know, so when you look around the sec

[00:27:21] To arkansas

[00:27:23] It's like yo we're next after kentucky

[00:27:26] You know, we have the national title

[00:27:29] We have bat the back elite eights in the last three years

[00:27:32] You know what I mean? So so like cala party's coming down there and oh by the way

[00:27:37] You better be bringing some of those kentucky recruits with you too

[00:27:41] You know because they had carter knocks kevin knocks little brother. They got, um

[00:27:46] quaintance they got uh

[00:27:49] booger

[00:27:51] Flan they gave you the booger the game of the booger and twins

[00:27:55] Next year okay, yeah, but but uh flan put up 17 in the McDonald's

[00:27:59] Game the other day so arkansas guess what or cal guess what you better bring them to arkansas with you

[00:28:07] All right now. Let's let's let's dive into the theory you you gave me earlier about

[00:28:12] Where the money is coming from well? Yeah

[00:28:16] So yeah, so you got walmart up in bentonville, you know the founders and everything you got jerry jones

[00:28:22] You know they're arkansas's probably most famous alum

[00:28:26] You know, you know how way money. Yep. You got uh tyson's chicken and from what I was reading

[00:28:32] Apparently cal is very very very close

[00:28:36] With the tyson's chicken guy

[00:28:39] So so like the revenue is gonna be coming in

[00:28:42] You know what I mean in a way that maybe irk muscleman couldn't get it because to your point

[00:28:48] He's not the salesman that calipari is

[00:28:51] Yeah, you know what I mean? He doesn't have that charisma or that

[00:28:54] When I speak everybody's gonna listen

[00:28:57] Do you be surprised how you'd be surprised how far charisma can get you

[00:29:01] I like personally taking your yats for the risen blizzard right, you know, whatever they say

[00:29:06] I mean like

[00:29:08] sometimes just a matter of

[00:29:11] At a friend of mine give me a book we were flying to vegas one time

[00:29:14] He had a book in his bag and I pulled out and it said uh

[00:29:17] How to get people to like you

[00:29:20] And that book had a lot of good information one excerpt that he showed me

[00:29:25] Was to say I lessen the conversation

[00:29:29] So if you're if you have the capabilities of mastering

[00:29:33] That conversation I saw another another guys who's

[00:29:37] A professor or some kind of person in conversations

[00:29:40] Instead of saying yeah, but in a conversation

[00:29:43] Say yes and

[00:29:45] So if you understand that kind of premise to keep the conversation moving forward

[00:29:50] You can keep people on your team even if you don't fully agree with them. Mr. Yeah, but huh?

[00:29:55] I

[00:29:58] You said that seven times today. Yeah today because me and you were going back and forth. I wasn't trying to get you online

[00:30:04] Would be real going back and forth

[00:30:07] Yes, and I understand that I did that

[00:30:10] And every time that I did it I thought to myself

[00:30:14] If this was a conversation with someone who's trying to dismiss me

[00:30:18] Right, you were trying to get rid of me like, you know, I don't want you on the podcast

[00:30:22] I would say yes and I would like to know

[00:30:26] hearing what you said here

[00:30:27] And he would say instead of yeah, but but I do this yes and right what can I have done?

[00:30:33] So the entire conversation

[00:30:35] Steers in one way. I think Cali probably has that kind of

[00:30:39] Like that kind of charisma. Well, yeah, he's a snake oil salesman

[00:30:43] Listen the emperor's new clothes, you know what I mean?

[00:30:46] And also the last piece of advice I got from coach cow

[00:30:50] Stop letting these players hold you hostage

[00:30:53] You know because when I go back to two years ago, you had both Antonio Reeves and oscar shibway

[00:30:59] Basically wait until the very last day

[00:31:03] To decide to come back to kentucky

[00:31:06] You know when you could have been in the portal doing whatever and

[00:31:10] x y z like what if they would have decided to leave and

[00:31:14] There wouldn't have been any portal left for you

[00:31:16] So, you know, so it might have been a good thing. He might have been able he might have to like coach up a couple more players

[00:31:22] Maybe but but the point being is that

[00:31:25] One fan base got tired of your shit real quick

[00:31:29] You know saying you're 65 years old

[00:31:32] Switch up your style get some dudes in there that'll tell you no

[00:31:37] And live and have these last

[00:31:39] Six to ten years of your career be better than the last six to ten get a quality

[00:31:45] Quote on quote. We use this in resiliency instructions

[00:31:48] Resilience to train here as as Air Force retiree, but I was a resilience instructor

[00:31:53] You're boarded directors, right the people you can go to in times of crisis or the people that have

[00:32:01] Autonomous access to you those are the people you put in that

[00:32:05] That rarefied air those are the people you listen to

[00:32:08] Get people in there that won't always agree with you. You don't need a bunch of yes men

[00:32:13] Right, because you don't need to hear yes to everything like if not too is you'll want to jump off my roof with a parachute

[00:32:19] You might want to say hey dog. You only there's only two stories. You are not open. You already know why you're saying yes

[00:32:27] You know what I mean? Like you already have your reasons for why you feel the way you feel

[00:32:32] I think so. Give me some of the points. You need a counterpoint

[00:32:36] Speaking of counterpoints

[00:32:39] So mr. Livekul and I earlier, you know

[00:32:46] We had a screaming match, you know, we did our version of trump versus biden, you know

[00:32:53] Come on man. I'll get my trump on

[00:32:56] Where we were talking about college basketball in general because I started off the conversation

[00:33:01] So we'll get to the the other part, but I want to start off with this

[00:33:05] Um, I started off the conversation

[00:33:08] Because I was disappointed that america took us back to the 1960s this weekend

[00:33:13] You know, um angel reese is gone. You got people like acho out here

[00:33:19] You know saying all the things and then you got

[00:33:23] All the white people in their connor mcgregor corner and all the black people in their floyd mayweather corner

[00:33:29] Probably 80% of them did not watch one women's college basketball game until the tournament or even to the sweet 16 or the

[00:33:38] alleged

[00:33:39] charity watch highlights and

[00:33:41] chopped up videos

[00:33:44] and literally and literally

[00:33:47] you know, uh

[00:33:49] Angel reese regardless of what she has said in the past regardless of what she has done online

[00:33:55] That is a child

[00:33:57] You know, katelyn clark is a kid y'all out here calling her a man

[00:34:02] You know talking about how she's choking all this kind of stuff and how she's this and she's that she didn't get what katelyn

[00:34:09] Or what angel got I guess we're five years old. They started it, right?

[00:34:13] So, you know as so as i'm probably your balloon. Yeah, so so as i'm watching these games

[00:34:19] it's literally like

[00:34:22] I don't even know like I stepped into segregation and it was like it took me back because me and mr.

[00:34:27] logical had a conversation

[00:34:29] And I had a conversation on the hot box before about how I feel

[00:34:34] Black people dismiss yokich and they dismiss luka

[00:34:39] Because they're great players, but it looks different or

[00:34:43] They feel that the media is giving them extra attention that they don't deserve

[00:34:47] So that's how people I guess feel about katelyn clark from what i'm gathering

[00:34:52] You know, but for me the essence of it boils down to is

[00:34:57] we took over basketball and

[00:34:59] Y'all want the great white hope to restore it back for you

[00:35:05] Yo, the the crazy thing about and it's something I love about

[00:35:10] This sounds eric because i'm saying the i a lot this is something I love about being me

[00:35:14] Because this you know

[00:35:16] I was very fortunate

[00:35:18] Shout out to my my late mother iris friendly

[00:35:22] My pops his birthdays tomorrow go hang out with him this happy birthday pop

[00:35:29] His decision or their decision

[00:35:32] To to join a marriage

[00:35:34] And my dad was in the army. My sister was already born. He came home

[00:35:39] And my mom was like listen, we can't like they're from vijinia like we can't stay here like you already were gone

[00:35:45] You already saw what was like out there. You have to know it's better than what's going on here

[00:35:50] Let's keep going see how far we could take this I was born a year after they were married

[00:35:57] Uh, I went to germany north vijinia back germany north vijinia back and forth between so I was I was exposed

[00:36:04] What and I even think about it being exposed

[00:36:06] I just was able to see different cultures different people

[00:36:09] My friends were white my friends in porto rica. My friends were mexican

[00:36:14] My baseball team was here like I got to see the world. So I got to see it through so many different lenses

[00:36:20] Prior to the internet way before the internet

[00:36:23] And what I what I learned was that

[00:36:27] It's way more beneficial to have a broad and perspective

[00:36:31] On the things that guide you

[00:36:35] And I feel like people reverted back to this antiquated ideology of oh black versus white

[00:36:42] Credit verse because let's keep it a beam

[00:36:45] The way way probably didn't get as much credit for the championship. Miami is the brawn did

[00:36:50] But because the way way is black is cool that LeBron got all the credit

[00:36:54] But if luke has a great season or yokas was in vp a couple times and then once finds the vp

[00:37:01] He earned it. He won these awards that are voted on and then yeah spoiler alert spoiler alert. He bought the win in vp again

[00:37:10] And he's possibly gonna win in vp again

[00:37:12] But once again, it's not as if he's out there averaging 11 7 and 6

[00:37:18] And he's just on tv and he's doing a great interview. He's playing basketball everybody else get the same ball rolled out

[00:37:25] Same referees rotating it out

[00:37:29] So having that perspective and I understand like listen, it's not

[00:37:32] Some things are black and white. I'm not gonna sit and be like, oh no

[00:37:35] Nothing's black and white some things are

[00:37:39] But everything you're guiding light does not need to be black and white

[00:37:43] But katelyn quark was doing for college basketball

[00:37:47] If you change her skin tone, would you have a complaint?

[00:37:53] If you can honestly say I would complain about the way she yelled at the rest, I wouldn't

[00:38:01] Referees are not good

[00:38:03] Every single game we see it at every level

[00:38:07] At every level, I know anyone who listened to this podcast who has a kid that plays sports

[00:38:13] Is wondering like ref. How'd you not see that face mask? How'd you not see that file?

[00:38:19] If you can't play lacrosse, how'd you not see that off-sides? Whatever it is soccer. How'd you not see the handball?

[00:38:27] Referees are not even permanent positions and sometimes they impact the game

[00:38:32] And sometimes a player cusses them out

[00:38:35] Cameron brink cussed out of referee. She's a stand for

[00:38:38] Angel Reese cussed out a couple of coaches and players and rest

[00:38:42] Haley van Lips cussed out some players the bron call to ref a

[00:38:47] BAN it all happens. Everyone gets cussed out

[00:38:52] Spike Lee and Reggie Miller are going back and forth in silent. It's a passionate sport

[00:38:57] I expect you to be passionate, but as an observer of the sport you have to be rational understanding that

[00:39:04] What she was doing on the court is

[00:39:07] more dame

[00:39:09] than any other

[00:39:11] female you can compare to

[00:39:13] Those shots that's the step dame

[00:39:16] Side step three pointers that what she was doing

[00:39:20] Women weren't doing and she was carrying a team that didn't have as many blue chip athletes as other ones

[00:39:27] There's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that

[00:39:29] You can tell that at some point

[00:39:33] It was going to get figured out because it was the same thing I talked about Oregon

[00:39:38] They let one guy shoot the ball and the other guy get the rebound to get dumped

[00:39:41] Eventually like and the game against craig eventually the coach would play wool just let him shoot

[00:39:47] Guard everybody else. We'll get the rebound. We'll go back up the court

[00:39:50] He's gonna get tired of shooting the ball

[00:39:52] So katelyn Clark was shooting these shots that we knew were going to be deep threes

[00:39:57] So let's put our best

[00:39:59] lengthy rangey athletic defender on her because don't say he's a good coach

[00:40:03] She understands that concept of like how you neutralize the best player when the other four players almost

[00:40:11] Exclusively depend on her to be the catalyst for their offense. Yeah, it worked because she went 3 4 11 when she was guarded by raveon johnson

[00:40:20] You know raveon was pissed from last year. So you got that motivation. You've probably been pumping in her ear

[00:40:26] For 11 months, right? And when she weighed you off last year you let her do that to you again this year

[00:40:31] You gotta make a big deal about it

[00:40:33] But she played like she had you know 365 days of angst

[00:40:37] for sure and she held her to 10 for 20 or they held her to 10 for 28

[00:40:43] I was was just too small. You know camila condorso with uh 17 boards

[00:40:49] She's Lebron's height

[00:40:52] You know like as as we were looking at this, you know, I wrote this stuff down real quick

[00:40:57] So south carolina's bench outscored them 37 to nothing

[00:41:02] Uh, they had they won the boards 51 to 29

[00:41:06] Including 18 to 7 on the offensive glass 30 to 16 and second chance points

[00:41:12] You know, uh, and of course

[00:41:15] LSU i rebounded. I will offensively. Yeah

[00:41:17] You know

[00:41:20] LSU just couldn't score I was watching the game because I was at uh, I went to like a little small town and

[00:41:25] On the shore

[00:41:26] Watching you know doing a little uh, you know the village stuff you do on sundays

[00:41:31] And I was looking at the score

[00:41:33] And I was sitting I was we're eating lunch and I was like

[00:41:37] Getting a 13 a zero lead or 13 a two lead. It feels great

[00:41:42] Until you look up and it's 13 to five

[00:41:46] 13 and 7

[00:41:48] 15 and 9

[00:41:50] 17 like you work so hard to lead on a team that you are

[00:41:54] Before me the underdogs and they just slowly down I say they didn't panic

[00:42:00] I was thinking like yo, you probably call time out. She didn't panic. She's waited out

[00:42:05] She did a sub. I think they were down maybe

[00:42:08] Fad to guess 12 2 maybe 13 2 and she subbed in

[00:42:12] A couple players a different change of pace different energy

[00:42:16] And then I drank my beer ate my fish and chips looked up score was like

[00:42:21] 17 or 15. I was like

[00:42:23] That happened super quick because as the macho man randy savage told us back in the 80s

[00:42:30] The cream rises to the top. Yeah

[00:42:34] She didn't panic at all, you know, but we were talking about this and you know, obviously

[00:42:40] Caitlyn Clark's moving on

[00:42:42] Angel Reese is moving on

[00:42:44] Who's not moving on is juju walkins?

[00:42:47] You know, malaysia foielli and tessa johnson

[00:42:51] You know, they'll be back next year

[00:42:54] Her brother jumping over

[00:42:57] So so mr. Lawdickle and I we're trying to devise plans

[00:43:01] We both had the same thing in mind as far as we want the women's game

[00:43:06] To excel

[00:43:07] But how do we get there? How do we get there? And that's where our fundamental disagreement came in on. Oh, yeah

[00:43:14] It was rampant. It was rapid. I loved it. Yeah, how do we get to that point?

[00:43:19] So i'll let you uh started off and all right. So my point listen

[00:43:23] This conversation came about very organically and it didn't have

[00:43:27] There's not a lot of research base. I'm just looking at as as a concept and the change management. So just a

[00:43:34] How do you apply and roll with the momentum that was created over the last few weeks?

[00:43:40] because like I said

[00:43:41] We've been doing this show for a while and this is just probably like the third

[00:43:46] Show in a row. We've had a very in-depth conversation a smart conversation about women's college basketball

[00:43:52] And i've seen it in other

[00:43:55] podcast formats and future formats as well. So it's like, how do you capitalize that?

[00:43:59] so we figured that espn has

[00:44:02] the women's

[00:44:04] tournament

[00:44:07] My suggestion was this you take

[00:44:10] The top four teams four to six teams mike expanded eight. Well, I say four to six anyway, so we could go four to eight

[00:44:18] With the women's game because the top schools tend to

[00:44:23] Reload every year. You don't have a lot of cinder rounds

[00:44:27] So what you allow yourself to do is

[00:44:30] every Tuesday

[00:44:33] November

[00:44:35] through February

[00:44:36] You have your top 16. I say six that weighs not a big gap between one to six on the rotation of the television programming

[00:44:44] So

[00:44:45] You don't have to rank them. You just put them in order alphabetically if that's the case, but they go one through six

[00:44:51] So if you con is planned seat and hall

[00:44:55] November 5th

[00:44:57] Which is a Tuesday or whatever the day of the month it is

[00:44:59] And then the next week

[00:45:03] South Carolina's playing Vanderbilt

[00:45:06] following week you get

[00:45:09] uh

[00:45:10] NC state because they were in the final four this year

[00:45:12] versus

[00:45:14] Some school and you do that for six weeks so that every single Tuesday

[00:45:18] Either leading up to the game or the results of the game

[00:45:22] There's a conversation about women's college basketball in espn

[00:45:26] And you might have to sacrifice viewership

[00:45:28] instead of playing that

[00:45:30] The men's indiana versus Vanderbilt game on that Tuesday

[00:45:35] You play the women's ucon versus seat and hall

[00:45:39] You might get three and a half to four million views

[00:45:42] For that game, but you'll get six and a half for the men

[00:45:46] Those two teams aren't going to be vying for the national championship on the men's side

[00:45:51] But you can probably will and maybe you come wins that game by 30

[00:45:55] Next week is south calana versus

[00:45:58] Vanderbilt the female

[00:46:00] Vanderbilt and they win that game by 30 instead of being like, oh my god

[00:46:04] South calana beat this team by 30 ucon one you can have a conversation of like

[00:46:09] If these teams match up next year in the final four

[00:46:13] Who has a bigger shot and then you get usc on so every single week you're having

[00:46:20] at least the build-up conversation

[00:46:23] Or the subsequent fallout after that conversation after the game is imagine one of them loses

[00:46:30] So now you have this this this conversation in place

[00:46:34] And you get an upset

[00:46:36] And you have the conversation because if we think about the men's game

[00:46:41] I'm not sure how much you and I talked about men's college basketball

[00:46:45] prior to february

[00:46:47] So

[00:46:50] Well, I think so my thing is is to figure out how do you get

[00:46:54] The women's game. It's a conversation. Yes, you're gonna sacrifice viewership because

[00:47:01] Probably the statement you're probably gonna rest with is like

[00:47:04] I don't have a katlyn clark an azureese to carry over from today

[00:47:11] To october

[00:47:14] Right

[00:47:15] That's that's an element like you don't have that

[00:47:17] Right, right, right

[00:47:20] Yeah, so so so like um, I think so so like like I said at the start of this

[00:47:26] You know, we have the same goal in mind, but I think it starts more on the front side

[00:47:32] because a part of

[00:47:35] The college industry is the recruiting services

[00:47:39] Whether it's 24 seven rivals so on so forth

[00:47:42] You know, so, uh, the reason that cooper flag going to duke is so important or

[00:47:49] You know, so game changing is because we knew who he was two years ago

[00:47:54] And we know that he's the number one or number two recruited in this class

[00:47:59] And he's going to a blue blood

[00:48:01] You know, whereas on the women's side

[00:48:04] You know, I think that we need more of that conversation of

[00:48:09] This heist this girl coming in was woman coming in from high school

[00:48:13] And she's averaging 31 and 15 or whatever and she's going to be the new star

[00:48:19] She's being recruited by uconn south carolina, tennessee so on so forth

[00:48:24] And we start to follow that because with angel and katlyn

[00:48:29] The problem was by the time we got to them

[00:48:32] They were already juniors. So yes, but in like hit interrupt

[00:48:36] But the the the women's game allows you to

[00:48:41] take your time

[00:48:43] to be inundated and

[00:48:46] and

[00:48:47] Like the capitol career does so getting them as juniors

[00:48:52] We had a whole year of it. They were at the white house. We had the whole conversation about

[00:48:58] LSU and I will be invited by the white house to jail biden

[00:49:02] I don't think any of us would have known the first lady's first name was jill

[00:49:07] If that came didn't happen because I would have known

[00:49:12] I know the president's wife name what you talking about on this show

[00:49:17] George w. Bush's wife's name barbara

[00:49:21] You sure?

[00:49:23] Yeah

[00:49:24] You didn't sound sure. I'm sure Nancy reagan

[00:49:27] We know michelle obama. We know nancy reagan. The rest of them is all crap sheets

[00:49:32] We all everyone knows that I'm I'm I'm good with barbara bush. I'm good with the final answer being barbara bush

[00:49:40] I don't know if it was barbara. I think that was george

[00:49:43] uh

[00:49:45] Hold on. I can't remember

[00:49:48] Anyway, but the point being the point being like commander chief. I don't know his wife's name

[00:49:52] You know, but the point the point being is that

[00:49:57] There was no build-up

[00:49:59] they

[00:50:01] Caitlyn's game just took over and you had to pay attention to her

[00:50:06] You know angel was also

[00:50:09] social media famous in some ways

[00:50:12] And there was a certain attention on her outside of that she became social media famous after the championship

[00:50:19] Because like I said, it was a very divisive

[00:50:22] Right, right. It was the same thing the black because I started doing twitter and I was reading the comments is like

[00:50:28] And that's when people started posting

[00:50:31] Bro, and Caitlyn clock was talking as much cash shit as everybody else

[00:50:36] Which is what you do in these confrontations

[00:50:39] If I was playing you in madden if I was playing you in poker or if I was in a debate with you

[00:50:45] publicly

[00:50:46] I'ma talk to semi-mine and sit too if I know i'm winning

[00:50:49] She waved off haley van lief. She waved off raven johnson turned the backfire because she now beat her this year

[00:50:54] But katelyn clock was doing that way before angel wreath was like giving my ring, right?

[00:51:00] So I think people just kind of took that and we just ran what is like very classism

[00:51:05] Angel Reese as the ghetto barbie, you know all that stuff like I knew that angel Reese was from baltimore, but

[00:51:12] You know she put that out there and I think people started to gravitate towards her because

[00:51:18] in a

[00:51:20] Way less way

[00:51:23] Because I know what people gonna say because because they hear what they think you say

[00:51:28] Say it anyway. Let's hear it, but but but she kind of had that a i to her

[00:51:32] Where like she was unapologetically who she is

[00:51:37] Representing putting on for the hood and whatnot

[00:51:39] Like but she was a girl, you know what I mean? So it was different. It was accepted differently because of

[00:51:46] gender norms and societal norms

[00:51:49] but it was but it was

[00:51:51] The word you like to use it was polarizing enough. Yeah, that's my word

[00:51:55] You know that people that people latched on and had an opinion either way

[00:52:00] So so like when you get to a certain level

[00:52:03] It don't matter if you like me or hate me. You just gotta talk about me

[00:52:07] You know to be and that's where angel you're saying that the game is lacking that

[00:52:12] Yes, because next year because going into next year, right?

[00:52:15] Caitlyn's gone angel's gone. I believe page is gone or she might come back or she might have one more year

[00:52:22] I don't think she's in the same class as as Caitlyn when she might have an injury class, right? Right. Yeah

[00:52:29] So let's see like I gotta come back for another championship title

[00:52:35] I can't imagine that she

[00:52:38] Executes that next level

[00:52:40] Cardos Cardoso is gone from South Carolina

[00:52:44] So, you know, so you got like, you know flow j

[00:52:48] You know, you got juju walk-ins

[00:52:51] You got uh full wily and tessa johnson from south carolina

[00:52:56] You know what I mean? But what I was asking is

[00:52:59] Who's the next because you manufacture it because because women's college basketball is coming from a position

[00:53:06] Of being behind

[00:53:08] So in some ways they're at that NBA point of we need a magic and bird. So now they've had that

[00:53:15] But then with Caitlyn and angel but following them

[00:53:20] You know came bird you had azea there. I'm sorry came jordan

[00:53:24] You had azea there and then you just

[00:53:28] Vince college basketball as we have a mistake because a lot of

[00:53:33] Because the narrative around high school guys going to NBA didn't exist right and I don't think it's a big

[00:53:40] I don't think that's a big thing and women's college basketball either. We're like no, they have to go

[00:53:45] Women I believe if I remember correctly

[00:53:49] Women have to

[00:53:51] Stay for three years

[00:53:53] Three years. Yeah, I believe I've read that the other day

[00:53:55] They have to they have to stay for three years

[00:53:58] But the point being the point overall point being

[00:54:01] Is that we know juju was the freshman this year that is starting out on a pace

[00:54:08] To where if she stays

[00:54:10] She can get to that Caitlyn. She could challenge

[00:54:13] Caitlyn's record provided she stays healthy and all that would that be in a case you might have to get creative with your marketing

[00:54:23] You might have to fund your marketing differently. You like I said, you might have to just bite the bullet instead of playing

[00:54:30] Indiana versus Vanderbilt's men's game and I'm with that

[00:54:35] Just play the Yukon versus seen heart

[00:54:40] It just because you're gonna make so much money off of football

[00:54:43] I get that I know a lot of uh

[00:54:46] Because I remember like I think about this for record labels

[00:54:50] The record labels will give you

[00:54:53] As far as well on my rudimentary knowledge of record labels and artists

[00:54:57] You'll sign a deal for three million dollars

[00:55:01] They'll advance you a million dollars

[00:55:05] And you'll sell a record, but you won't you as an artist only make 10 cent

[00:55:11] per record

[00:55:14] They gave you a million dollars

[00:55:17] So you as an individual artist

[00:55:21] Mike Wilson you owe them a million

[00:55:25] So they'll take your 10 cent you can you can make you can sell four five six eight nine million dollars with the records

[00:55:34] But because you only get 10

[00:55:36] cent

[00:55:37] You still owe them x amount of money and it's like it's such a ripoff

[00:55:42] They're making so much money off of football

[00:55:46] That they can look at it like you know what we're making this money

[00:55:49] Collectively off of college sports not just

[00:55:53] Off of football right and putting in a separate profit margin like oh

[00:55:57] We made this much money because of football instead of saying you know what we made this much money at college basketball college sports

[00:56:05] less

[00:56:06] sacrifice a few shepherds here

[00:56:10] to get the women's college basketball game because

[00:56:13] They would be the

[00:56:15] I want to say the first but probably the only if if you're esp in

[00:56:19] You're the only ones putting

[00:56:21] If you're putting 10 million dollars towards cause women's college basketball

[00:56:25] You're probably the only

[00:56:27] Television that we're putting that that's the point that never is but that's the point

[00:56:32] If every 1.2 1 if I wait 800 million dollars off of college football, then I can break off

[00:56:39] 50 for women's college basketball

[00:56:41] But that's the point that I was making because

[00:56:46] I need to go back and look at these contracts, but for me my my point of the conversation was

[00:56:53] You know

[00:56:54] Unless there's something contractually, you know, what's stopping fox or cbs?

[00:57:00] From doing what you're saying as well. You know what I mean? So it doesn't

[00:57:04] It doesn't just make any money. So there's no price point to negotiate. No, no

[00:57:07] But that's the point because right now when we look at esp in or I'm sorry fox for example

[00:57:13] You know as far as like there

[00:57:16] What's the word? I'm looking for uh, their tv schedule or whatever

[00:57:20] They're basically a bunch of esp in copycats

[00:57:24] filled with

[00:57:26] former espn personalities for the most part

[00:57:29] Trying to tell them pretty pretty yeah

[00:57:32] Their own espn they have their college football contrast with the big 10 and the big 12

[00:57:40] I know men's college basketball. They have the big ease big 12 and

[00:57:46] Uh big in the big 10 because we were talking about the new tournament

[00:57:50] The college crown that they're trying to start next year, but my point was if i'm one of these

[00:57:56] channels

[00:57:57] If there's nothing contractually that says

[00:58:00] ESPN is the sole

[00:58:03] Home of women's college basketball

[00:58:06] Then what's precluding me?

[00:58:08] From getting in a table

[00:58:10] Because i'm trying to be because espn has to show fox that I can make my eye as a channel

[00:58:18] Can make money off of it if espn doesn't say

[00:58:23] I'm going to

[00:58:25] I was talking about this

[00:58:28] This week at work

[00:58:29] There's this video of a guy on like a mountainside in colorado

[00:58:34] Dancing crazy by himself

[00:58:36] And it's all about how to start a movement and he's dancing crazy by himself as some concert

[00:58:41] He's doing like this crazy dances flowing his arms and then a second person comes over

[00:58:47] Once the second person comes over

[00:58:50] and then three four five

[00:58:52] eight 15 30 foot

[00:58:55] Everybody joins after the second person does it. That's why when you when you pass the motion the parliamentary procedures is like

[00:59:02] I'm presenting this motion

[00:59:04] I'm promotion to veto michael wilson office seat in congress whatever it is

[00:59:09] You need a second person to get the rally going but as a business end

[00:59:15] But as a business you also take a risk

[00:59:17] But that's the thing I need to see

[00:59:20] That

[00:59:23] I don't need to see that

[00:59:25] That's the thing. Why would I why would I need to see that?

[00:59:29] And if it's not even something

[00:59:32] Why would I be reactive instead of because when it comes to the money like I said back to the regular label thing

[00:59:39] I have this artist this artist has made me 90 million dollars

[00:59:44] I got another artist that kind of sounds like the previous artist

[00:59:49] They don't look at the fact that this artist made the 90 million and this new person maybe

[00:59:55] You need someone like yo this person could also do it you need that

[01:00:00] You need that

[01:00:02] Second that you need somebody to understand like yo we can do this as well

[01:00:07] No, because like so so fox being is big in their money. That's why they had the women's tournament

[01:00:12] They are making a profit

[01:00:15] CBS is

[01:00:17] So look at the

[01:00:19] Let's just the English masters right and saying hey

[01:00:23] ESPN is making money at the tournament with the women

[01:00:26] CBS is famous for the masters right?

[01:00:31] But I think those are like deals like no, I know I know I know I know

[01:00:36] But what I'm saying is but that's not like fox or ESPN or whoever saying

[01:00:41] Yo, we gotta get golf because it's working on CBS

[01:00:45] You know what I'm saying is as a business

[01:00:48] But

[01:00:54] This is not the Rutley show like chill out like hold on hold on you know what I'm saying

[01:01:01] Like like what I'm saying though is that if I'm fox or whoever

[01:01:06] And I you know, this is this hot wave going on

[01:01:09] And I believe in it. That's the first step. You got to believe in it, right?

[01:01:13] Before you can do anything else

[01:01:15] You know what I mean?

[01:01:17] I'm just doing research so I can

[01:01:20] And I'm not gonna say yes, but yeah

[01:01:22] But if you can because like I said, I don't know the contractual

[01:01:26] status as far as if ESPN has an exclusive deal

[01:01:30] So if they don't what I'm saying is why would I not?

[01:01:34] Become or try to become the brand of

[01:01:39] While it's high and I could put that funding that you're talking about into it

[01:01:46] And I can reap some of the benefit if not most of the benefit as well because ESPN has to wait until march

[01:01:52] They have to wait until the tournament

[01:01:55] To get that cash flow coming in from the nc double a

[01:02:00] From the nc double a tournament. So with your idea of let's have this weekly Tuesday game

[01:02:06] Or whatever the case may be you could have big east sunday fall. I care

[01:02:10] You know what I mean with a whole day is just

[01:02:13] ESPN on fox sports or a college basketball or on fox sports water

[01:02:17] Whatever the case may be if I believe in this I can promote juju

[01:02:21] I can promote whoever these people are. I don't need to wait for ESPN to do that

[01:02:26] I can take what ESPN has done

[01:02:29] Already and I can build upon that because once because once it takes off if it takes off in the way that we want it to

[01:02:37] ESPN already got it you ain't getting in there

[01:02:40] Yeah, but okay

[01:02:42] Oh, there's a yellow butt. There it is. Yes, and I'll probably let's just say yeah, but

[01:02:49] and

[01:02:51] If we look at if we look at the men's sports and the breakdown

[01:02:58] I used to buy a lot of jerseys

[01:03:01] Like football jerseys authentic jerseys whatever the case may be

[01:03:04] Probably like oh three when I've we would deploy the guitar. Yeah

[01:03:09] Reebok had

[01:03:13] The NBA jersey deal

[01:03:16] No, Reebok had the football deal in the NFL. Yeah and the hat deal

[01:03:21] They had the NFL hats new era didn't make the hats. They made Reebok made the jerseys and the hats

[01:03:28] And at the same time

[01:03:30] I believe like Reebok had the basketball jerseys

[01:03:35] Somebody else had a different jersey baseball had the jerseys new era kind of monopolize the baseball

[01:03:44] deal

[01:03:46] Right with the four pro sports of the four major tournaments of golf

[01:03:51] It's golf channel

[01:03:54] CBS

[01:03:55] NBC

[01:03:56] ESPN it's deliberately divided

[01:04:00] Because it was making money for everyone. So now we're just rotating. So right now

[01:04:07] Nike has the NBA deals because we're the Bronfers with the Miami

[01:04:11] He has a Nike deal

[01:04:13] Adidas had the five-year contract with the NBA to make the jerseys

[01:04:19] So all this is a lot of his heat gear. He was wearing Adidas heat gear

[01:04:23] You still wear your Nike shoes and that same time frame the NFL had

[01:04:29] Like the Reebok jersey deal. No, like then like a like a different like a different deal

[01:04:34] So they were able to figure out how we all divided this up

[01:04:39] So if you're looking at college sports, we talk about

[01:04:43] CBS is basically sec

[01:04:45] The big 10 was fox the big 12 was ESPN

[01:04:51] Uh

[01:04:52] And then they they mixed it up a little bit with the ACC and then the saturday night games

[01:04:57] So it can be divided

[01:05:00] My thing is start small start with the teams that we know

[01:05:05] Right. I know ucon we know I don't need

[01:05:09] Everybody else to branch out and be a part of it

[01:05:12] I just need as ESPN because ESPN I have the

[01:05:17] Looking at this from ESPN's angle. I'm

[01:05:21] Everybody doesn't need to be involved in this angle because they're not involved right now

[01:05:26] The only way to keep the conversation going because ESPN probably has the most talk shows that talk about

[01:05:33] And in their podcast affiliations and radio affiliations so forth and so on so ESPN's kind of already monopolize the sports

[01:05:43] Conversation realm as is so my piece is for ESPN to say

[01:05:49] We are going to do this and sacrifice the 2.5 viewers

[01:05:53] Every tuesday and then after they do this successfully for a year or two

[01:05:59] Then you'll get the conversation with CBS need to evolve. Then you'll have the conversation where NBC can be involved

[01:06:05] And then when ESPN doesn't do it

[01:06:08] Well, if ESPN doesn't do it, they're solely relying on the revenue they get from the women's tournament because

[01:06:15] We all love march madness. Right. So if you want to monopolize on the fact that you add march madness

[01:06:20] Is like if you've got a truck full of thin mint

[01:06:23] You sell them all year long

[01:06:25] You don't just wait till girl scouts selling cookies and they sell them all kinds of cookies like I got a box for

[01:06:30] I got a truck full of thinments. I'm selling them all right now. These are the hottest cookies. I'm selling them all right now

[01:06:35] They have the the path because

[01:06:39] They have the most to gain

[01:06:41] From television success of women's cause basketball

[01:06:45] Because they have the NCAA tournament. We were talking about it earlier

[01:06:49] You're trying to figure out what channel had the men's national championship game so far. I've streamed games

[01:06:55] I've watched it on HBO max. I watched it on paramount

[01:06:59] And I think I was there was on the bar so watching the game on tv s

[01:07:04] There were some on true tv

[01:07:05] Some on true tv and I watched them in different formats

[01:07:08] There's only ESPN for the women's game. So if I start right now

[01:07:13] Promoting juju

[01:07:16] Whatever incoming freshman, whatever returning senior, whatever coach we like, whatever new coach we like

[01:07:23] Don Staley is a is a national champion undefeated team

[01:07:28] I galvanized because you don't need much. Like I said, you only need a second person to start your revolution

[01:07:35] But you got to be willing to go out there and be you got to be out there to flail by yourself

[01:07:39] You got to be willing as a network to say, you know what?

[01:07:43] We are going to highlight these because you hire these women because down at the anaturasia super

[01:07:49] They're always doing like their podcast pundit a soma cast similar to like the manning cast

[01:07:55] Yeah, so they're doing that. So if you're willing to do that

[01:07:59] From march through april

[01:08:02] Just do it all year and take the good and the bad because it's not as if you're going to lose

[01:08:07] That much money if it doesn't work out, right

[01:08:11] That's that was my whole piece earlier. It's like I don't need

[01:08:14] Everyone to want to talk about college basketball

[01:08:18] I just need to get these few teams in everyone's face

[01:08:23] Because we'll talk about it if it's competitive this compelling

[01:08:26] But it's not that's the problem. That's the problem. That is not think about this think about this

[01:08:32] Me you've had this podcast since

[01:08:35] January last year. Yeah January last year

[01:08:38] Now how many topics have we done on

[01:08:42] Steph Curry

[01:08:44] Or LeBron James or Michael Jordan probably the three most polarizing guys as far as conversations

[01:08:49] like just

[01:08:52] for

[01:08:53] Maybe four and that was probably associated with the playoff match if they had

[01:08:58] When we haven't had any arbitrary conversation about whose error is it?

[01:09:02] Who's better? Who's the goat? We haven't had any of those conversations

[01:09:06] Those conversations dominate the airways

[01:09:09] And it's getting boring

[01:09:11] It's getting bored in our group chats is getting poured in our sports groups

[01:09:14] Is getting boring to the point where we discovered it was born last year

[01:09:17] I didn't get off my chest about let's stop doing it

[01:09:20] But over the last week week and a half you and I've had four very in-depth

[01:09:27] One to two hour conversations about women's college basketball, right?

[01:09:32] So I think it can it can be done

[01:09:35] Because it is competitive

[01:09:38] You just got to get a formula that

[01:09:43] Continues the fuel that competitive aspect of it that that can still kind of garner the conversation

[01:09:49] It might be tough trying to do it now

[01:09:52] With football and everything else

[01:09:55] But I think you sprinkle it in no, I think I definitely think that you can I just think that

[01:10:00] You want competition from the other channels to make it more

[01:10:07] Whereas I want

[01:10:09] effort into

[01:10:11] Being the I want is being to be the guy flailing in the field

[01:10:16] And with with the hopes that somebody else will come along because it won't happen

[01:10:22] The public has to want it the public has to want it. You know what I mean like not wait for

[01:10:27] Sky gotta be

[01:10:30] The public the public the public needs to want it not wait for

[01:10:35] It to be delivered is the point. So what came first the chicken or the egg, right?

[01:10:41] So so like like we talked about it, you know, you had the Candace parkers

[01:10:45] The Skyler dig ins the Rebecca Lobo so on so forth

[01:10:49] You you had these ladies come through

[01:10:51] And they laid the groundwork for what Caitlin and Angel are able to take advantage of

[01:10:56] But if we had to think about it, what channel was that probably that probably was on ESPN

[01:11:01] I don't think CBS sports really existed then. I don't think fox was a big

[01:11:05] I think

[01:11:08] As far as this

[01:11:10] But also I couldn't tell you because I wasn't necessarily watching back then

[01:11:15] You know what I mean? Like Rebecca Lobo? Yeah

[01:11:19] Or

[01:11:21] I want really just because I have a special honor that's how it all started. I know. Yeah. Yeah

[01:11:26] And you know what I mean? But from there but from there

[01:11:29] You know, um, I knew tennessee

[01:11:32] I got a Candace parker t-shirt on right now. I knew I worked super last week super

[01:11:36] It's probably one of my favorite basketball players. Rebecca Lobo was the same way my

[01:11:40] I loved Yukon Yukon was always on tv Yukon that like when the WNBA started they put a

[01:11:46] WNBA team in Connecticut because of Yukon

[01:11:50] Some say so it's like I think they're

[01:11:52] Really the team moved from Orlando to Connecticut the Connecticut son like what?

[01:12:02] They weren't a og

[01:12:03] You know what I mean, but but the overall point being

[01:12:07] You know, as you know, that is my balloon by the way. I'm so

[01:12:10] That's another mic. I can't believe he even

[01:12:13] That's but but you but you know, but but that's what I'm saying like so, you know, um,

[01:12:19] Caitlyn and angel

[01:12:22] Fell into our laps

[01:12:25] My phone's about to grab another charger keep going to be right back. Nobody did anything extensive

[01:12:30] To get Caitlyn and angel on our screens. They just were undeniable

[01:12:36] You know, so unless

[01:12:39] There's more personalities

[01:12:41] to build off of

[01:12:43] I don't know how far we get, you know

[01:12:46] We might need another Caitlyn and what I mean by that is not necessarily even from a play style standpoint

[01:12:52] But we might need another white player

[01:12:57] That plays for some school that makes a run to the elite eight or the final four

[01:13:02] Clip somebody along the way like it has to be organic

[01:13:06] in that way

[01:13:08] Along with hey, there's this freshman at USC

[01:13:13] That is going to challenge Caitlyn Clark's records

[01:13:16] There's this freshman coming in from wherever

[01:13:19] That we project is going to be even better than her

[01:13:23] And then that person has to live up to the hype too

[01:13:27] So, you know what I mean? So like yeah, you could put ucon on tv

[01:13:30] And show them beating somebody 91 to 37

[01:13:34] You could put south carolina on tv and have them beat somebody 104 to 42

[01:13:40] But I don't know how much of that is going to hold somebody's attention

[01:13:44] You know, so maybe college basketball so women's college basketball

[01:13:49] It starts at the ground levels to where obviously

[01:13:53] Other teams need to step up because like we were talking about this. You con hasn't won the national title since 2016

[01:14:00] You know and in that national title game

[01:14:02] They beat syracuse. We saw stanford and arizona play for a national title

[01:14:07] We saw bailar and Notre Dame play for a national title. So even though we grew up knowing ucon in tennessee

[01:14:15] Other teams have stepped up just like now, right when we were growing up. It was duke north carolina kentucky

[01:14:22] Now ucon is out here about the past duke and national titles

[01:14:27] You know, they got like 20 they got like 25 25 26 years of success. Yeah, were you con?

[01:14:31] Yeah, that's what i'm saying. So so so that kind of that kind of canna pulled it off the the backs of the women

[01:14:37] The yeah, we were working since for first. Yeah, and and you know, but now like, you know where we are

[01:14:44] You know, so

[01:14:46] I don't know

[01:14:48] If lsu has enough cash shade right now

[01:14:52] That without angel

[01:14:54] They're going to maintain

[01:14:56] The number that they got to this but the cash but that's the thing the cash shade is fabrication

[01:15:02] It's a marketing and fabricating

[01:15:04] Which is not good. We could talk about that team and

[01:15:08] Dallas did you see

[01:15:12] The reason the dallas cowboys are in nsces is because their previous owner

[01:15:18] Wanted them to play most of their games in the eastern time zone or against teams from the eastern time zone because

[01:15:25] That was where the most people were that was that was articulated and it was a fabricated plan to make that work

[01:15:33] Their success they had they've had some great runs and but they haven't had success

[01:15:38] This sort of good team. They're still the winning coaches shot at this cups

[01:15:41] But that's what i'm saying, but did you see

[01:15:44] ESPN or did you see her more on youtube or something?

[01:15:47] I saw angel reese more on social media

[01:15:51] Which then led me and you to have multiple conversations

[01:15:56] No, no, but wait, but wait, that's the point though. Like you're talking about the fabrication

[01:16:01] I saw her for whatever reason

[01:16:04] When I log in to sports reports is ordered youtube page

[01:16:09] Angel Reese was just there every single morning without fail. She was there

[01:16:14] You know what i mean? So like that's my story. P word. You ready?

[01:16:17] Polarizing, but that's my story. You know what I mean? What i'm saying though

[01:16:22] That's what they did with word magic. What is supposed to play those

[01:16:25] Lakers and Celtics weren't supposed to play those many games in that fledgling time of the early

[01:16:32] That's what i'm saying. There's a

[01:16:34] There's a bit there's a bit of luck involved because it was also a bit of fabrication

[01:16:39] I know but that fabrication may not have taken off the same way

[01:16:43] If they hadn't already played in the national title game in college

[01:16:48] And they just happened to come out the same year. So you had that to build off of

[01:16:52] The Kobe LeBron puppets remember the Kobe LeBron puppets and they wanted it to happen so bad

[01:17:00] It didn't happen, but that didn't make us not watch Kobe or not watch the

[01:17:04] Well, that's because we already got a big mess on you with the NBA. It's not the same

[01:17:08] You know what I mean? Like like the other NBA

[01:17:11] I don't think we I don't think there's a limited buy-in

[01:17:16] The WNBA has an opportunity now. There's there's limited buy-in with the WNBA. I'll give you that it is but

[01:17:23] WNBA now

[01:17:24] Has the ability depending on what teams angel and katelin go to

[01:17:29] They have the ability now

[01:17:31] I have no

[01:17:33] Is properly focused. I just I don't know either, but i'm just throwing that out there

[01:17:38] Of course college

[01:17:40] Like their revenue like I guess percentage wise they get more money. They just don't generate enough revenue. I'm not sure

[01:17:48] I'm not sure that they're focused on how to get

[01:17:52] The the money that they need and I saw a clip from down at Taraji and what she said she was like

[01:17:58] This country has a fascination with the young female athlete

[01:18:02] That fades away when it become professionals

[01:18:05] Is like we love the young gymnast. That's what i'm saying

[01:18:10] But that's the thing I don't i'm not sure if espn

[01:18:15] I'm because like as far as this conversation. I'm not really speaking for espn's w NBA coverage

[01:18:21] I'm s I'm speaking as far as like no, I know

[01:18:25] That's what i'm saying as we sit here on april 8th, right?

[01:18:29] Right now

[01:18:31] As we sit here on april 8th

[01:18:35] What college basketball game or rivalry or whatever?

[01:18:41] Are we looking forward to next season? I don't know if we're looking for the much, but i'll tell you this

[01:18:46] That's what i'm saying the men's game is on right now

[01:18:50] And you and I have talked for over two hours tonight about women's cos basketball

[01:18:56] That's because it's a seven-point game right now

[01:18:58] Because it's an interesting conversation

[01:19:00] The conversation about women's cos basketball

[01:19:02] No, but the point but the point is is that the point i'm getting

[01:19:06] You want to see where the success comes next year next year, right?

[01:19:10] I think the grassroots parts come from I think the grassroots effort comes from

[01:19:15] Someone has to sacrifice

[01:19:18] Check it out the bottom line

[01:19:20] To get it going it's april 8th right now, right?

[01:19:23] Correct

[01:19:24] You know we're watching the men's national title game right now

[01:19:28] I'm already looking forward to

[01:19:31] Coach cowl going to ruff arena next year. I'm already looking forward to dupes versus carolina next year

[01:19:37] I'm already looking forward to syracuse and georgetown next year even though they're both bad

[01:19:43] That's part of my childhood, but is that is that a byproduct of you?

[01:19:49] Just kind of checking out of this season or is that

[01:19:54] No those particular teams did anything to go to that attention

[01:19:58] I'm just saying that college women's college basketball doesn't have that like duke and carolina

[01:20:05] We're here for that game without even knowing who's on the roster. We just know that is duke and carolina

[01:20:12] You know to me like what cool, but that's the thing. I'm not trying to get you. I'm not trying to get you

[01:20:18] I'm much I

[01:20:20] Or any

[01:20:22] college basketball

[01:20:25] I would not start at the

[01:20:27] apex of

[01:20:29] The entertainment aspect of your sport

[01:20:32] Women's college basketball cannot enter

[01:20:36] conversations and thoughts and brainstorming sessions

[01:20:40] Starting tomorrow

[01:20:42] If they had a brainstorm meeting on zoom or whatever

[01:20:45] They had a whole year and say we need to be as

[01:20:50] Impactful in the college basketball landscape as duke and North Carolina. No, I'm gonna say that per se, but what I'm saying

[01:20:59] They had a whole year to build off of katelyn and angel and they did

[01:21:05] What's the next step? What's the next year? You got to let them get there first

[01:21:10] That's the problem with sports. I don't gotta let it get there. I don't gotta let it get there

[01:21:16] We're a podcast we project

[01:21:18] We project we are projecting you're projecting shit. You're projecting it

[01:21:24] You that's a projection. That's a projection give me a projection. What are you looking for?

[01:21:29] Next college basketball season. What are you looking for?

[01:21:30] This is basketball season

[01:21:32] I'm looking at all the female college coaches that we know all the teams that are good. They never fail

[01:21:38] They don't play you go

[01:21:39] How many coach I don't know that many but I do know that I was a good team

[01:21:45] I know you and sees a good team. I know soft can launch a team

[01:21:48] I am gonna continue to be a team. I don't know that part. I'm not not. I'm not nastrodomis

[01:21:55] I'm simply saying that it cannot be just

[01:22:01] Expectation meet standard from previous years of my

[01:22:04] childhood we cannot keep falling to this

[01:22:08] UNC UNC and Duke hasn't even really been that great of a

[01:22:13] Of a sports how many drag picks have come out of the top 10 from the two schools not meeting the recent year

[01:22:19] Though it doesn't even matter

[01:22:22] But that's the thing because you don't you don't want to see anything else because we've been inundated and

[01:22:28] Engraciated to the fact that Duke and UNC is a rivalry that we know since our job

[01:22:33] What I'm asking you is

[01:22:37] What college basketball game?

[01:22:40] I

[01:22:41] Don't I'm not telling you

[01:22:44] I'm not telling you. I'm not asking you. I'm not asking you

[01:22:48] Which college basketball game is on the level of duke in north carolina? I'm not asking you that

[01:22:54] I'm asking you

[01:22:57] As now we've been college basketball women's college basketball has been in our foresight for the last two years

[01:23:05] Going into year three of this

[01:23:08] Is it hold on hold on you can't answer the question before I ask it

[01:23:13] Hold on you can't answer the question before I ask it

[01:23:17] You know what I'm saying

[01:23:20] What what I'm saying is

[01:23:23] Before like so like

[01:23:25] What is

[01:23:27] The moment next year. Oh, okay. Let me rephrase it a different way then since you want to answer it all

[01:23:33] Uh, you just gotta give me a good question. No, no, I don't because I'm asking you the question and before I can even

[01:23:39] Answer your way. You're are no. No, I'm gonna ask it a different way

[01:23:43] What what do you expect to see? What do you want to see?

[01:23:49] From women's college basketball

[01:23:51] leading to the tournament next year

[01:23:56] So the the build-up after their season's already started or

[01:24:01] Like like like taking what we've seen these last two years

[01:24:05] You know, uh

[01:24:08] Let me see how how do you want or what?

[01:24:11] What do I what is the big point? What is the big point of the season that you're like?

[01:24:18] Next year I can't wait for this to happen or for this game to happen or for this

[01:24:22] Moment or I want to see this team next year

[01:24:26] Okay, I I'll be honest. I can't

[01:24:29] I can't say I have a galvanizing moment that I'm looking forward to

[01:24:33] Because it's I didn't grow up expecting

[01:24:38] Things from the future

[01:24:40] College women's college basketball season. So I'm not gonna speak. I'm not just giving an answer that sounds right

[01:24:45] Right, right. So but what I am expecting from college women's college basketball

[01:24:53] is

[01:24:55] South Carolina coming in

[01:24:57] undefeated

[01:24:58] Pretty much dominant. I think they had the one buzzer reader against Tennessee

[01:25:02] But they didn't guard our car doza and she hit the three and scc tournament, but they went undefeated

[01:25:08] they beat

[01:25:10] the

[01:25:11] since the juggernaut and katlyn clark who will be probably the number one

[01:25:15] Picking a wnba draft. So I think that's a vibe like that's that's like a like

[01:25:21] A multiple path conversation

[01:25:24] I don't feel like there's gonna be like great robberies

[01:25:29] I just think that this is an opportunity

[01:25:32] to showcase

[01:25:34] Whatever you have

[01:25:36] I'm not saying I know what that is because I'm not an insider in the women's college basketball

[01:25:41] Nor am I saying that you looking forward to duke

[01:25:46] UNC men's basketball is taken away from women's college basketball

[01:25:51] What I want from women's college basketball is for them to now take whatever momentum they got from last april

[01:25:59] To now

[01:26:00] And build on it

[01:26:01] But the only way to build on it is to come up with something different than the men because the men are locked in

[01:26:08] Right. I know

[01:26:10] I made like five guys burgers

[01:26:14] But mcdonald's is on damn near every corner

[01:26:17] Five guys is like 25 dollars for two burgers. I don't always want to do that

[01:26:22] But i'll go to mcdonald's and get a two dollar two for three two for four because it's McDonald's

[01:26:28] It's a staple of my childhood. It's a staple of every neighborhood you live in. I live in jersey

[01:26:33] There's a wah-wah on every corner. I'm not going to quick check for a philly cheese steak

[01:26:39] If i'm gonna get it from the gas station, I'm just grabbing from wah-wah

[01:26:42] Get some gas and press on my date because that's a staple of this environment that I grew up in with the women's college basketball

[01:26:49] I do not levy expectations on them that we get from the men because as men

[01:26:56] We have dedicated a lot of time money and energy into building up these sports

[01:27:02] The women's game has not gotten that same level of dedication

[01:27:06] And because it doesn't look the same

[01:27:09] It is not the same. It's not as exciting. It's not as exhilarating. It's not a knock on them

[01:27:14] It's just not the same. It's the same way

[01:27:17] Minor league baseball and these minor league football leagues that pop up here and there and arena football

[01:27:23] Arena football has been around for 25 30 years

[01:27:26] I don't know how many people walking around in arena league football jerseys

[01:27:30] I got a couple of marion jerseys in there. I don't have a god named matthew charles of

[01:27:37] the courted faculty

[01:27:39] Philadelphia arena cats in my but I watched a football game if it came on

[01:27:44] But if you put actual effort in to making sure I saw it every single week

[01:27:49] And then someone talked about it even on a friend under the back

[01:27:52] And that's all I'm saying for women's college basketball because we have such a narrow scope because I can I got

[01:27:58] I'm watching the game on an ipad

[01:28:01] I can get clips from you

[01:28:03] Of whatever happens on my phone

[01:28:05] So you got you got to do a little more

[01:28:08] You're never going to be able to compete with the precipice that is

[01:28:12] UNC and duke, right?

[01:28:13] But you got to be able to do something. So I'm not going to off seasons looking forward to women's college basketball

[01:28:20] But if you present me with something that's interesting that can follow i.e.

[01:28:24] Well, we got the last from last year in the last few weeks

[01:28:28] I'll rock with it. So what I'm looking forward to so what I'm looking forward to is

[01:28:33] You know, like I said

[01:28:35] Cardoso is gone

[01:28:37] You know, so this is going to be fuwali and tessa johnson's team, you know at south carolina

[01:28:42] I'm looking for flow jay to take that next step to not necessarily fill angel shoes

[01:28:47] But i'm looking at her as like that new leader. I guess of lsu

[01:28:52] um i'm looking forward to

[01:28:54] juju but also

[01:28:57] UCLA was a two seed this year with 27 and seven

[01:29:00] So is there a potential

[01:29:03] UCLA usc shift who controls the west coast?

[01:29:07] Coming down the road, you know what I mean like as far as

[01:29:11] Obviously, like you said not duke north carolina, but is this a game that?

[01:29:15] With the two teams where they are right now

[01:29:19] Getting better

[01:29:20] Is that a team is that a rivalry or a game that I can care about that doesn't involve

[01:29:25] Yukon south carolina so on so forth like can I get a third team because it's is it

[01:29:33] Are you focused because you are a rivalries guy?

[01:29:38] and you want rivalries or

[01:29:41] Because I look at it like I want entertainment

[01:29:45] I don't need the rivalry. I need the entertainment. I think you look at it as a as intrinsic core

[01:29:53] Does we talk about this because what you're a rivalry guy through and through

[01:29:57] Well, I just think in his college. I think that's what makes college sports

[01:30:01] That's what separates college sports from the one of the things that separates college sports from the pros like we talked about

[01:30:07] I think we're saying the same thing. I think we're just reading different books. No, that's what I told you

[01:30:11] We got the same goal. We want the same thing is it's not a hostile argument

[01:30:16] Like we just you know what I mean? Like it's just that we just see different paths to get to the same place

[01:30:21] That's all it is. Like, you know, like, you know, you might

[01:30:25] Want to take more one-way streets than me, you know, because the you know the quickest way is a straight line

[01:30:31] I'm a loop guy

[01:30:34] I don't want to get up on the turnpike, you know, I'm saying one-way streets

[01:30:38] I don't want to do with the bumps on the watch my windshield. You know

[01:30:41] I'm trying to get up on the turnpike, you know

[01:30:44] I keep the gas full. I'll take the loop. I go around

[01:30:47] No, no, no, but I just think that college sports are a state or

[01:30:52] Vibraries are a staple of college sports. Like I don't know if college football like because that is my baby

[01:30:57] I don't know if college football would be what it is

[01:31:01] If Florida and Florida state didn't play each other if usc and Notre Dame didn't play each other

[01:31:06] Like I don't know if I was that slowly with the lack of utah byu. We don't have

[01:31:13] uh

[01:31:15] In a robbery that registers for us because we lived in utah, but people don't care about utah and byu nationally

[01:31:21] Yeah, but the people who but the people who care about the holy war

[01:31:26] And now they do and now they do because they're in the same conference now

[01:31:31] So now they're gonna get it. They're gonna play every year. Yeah, you know

[01:31:34] Sometimes we hear these numbers if you think about like I remember being in the barbershop

[01:31:39] In 2015 and my son showed me an instagram post

[01:31:44] Of all the marvel and fisi movies that were coming out from 2015 to 2020

[01:31:49] Yeah

[01:31:50] Now i'm sitting here 2024 thinking about like man, that was like 50 movies that came out

[01:31:55] So I think we hear this number like oh

[01:31:57] Texas a and m and texas aren't gonna play each other. Just hype that

[01:32:02] Right in 2029 comes around and we'll have two games and all we think about is a game from 2028 and a game from 2029

[01:32:08] We don't want to think about the fact that 25 206 277 didn't play each other, right?

[01:32:13] And that's what i'm saying. I couldn't imagine college football without

[01:32:17] Texas, oklahoma

[01:32:19] You know saying I couldn't imagine college basketball without kentucky louisville

[01:32:25] You know, um, that's just a part of it. Whereas like in professional sports

[01:32:29] I think it's more player driven especially basketball. It's more like

[01:32:34] Anthony ember's versus yokich tonight versus Denver versus, minnesota

[01:32:39] So it's not the same, you know, and that's the way that the nba

[01:32:42] agency and

[01:32:45] Especially with I think a lot of it we could boil it down to money as we as we even would cause basketball

[01:32:50] Right, right. You have a guy like seguin barkley

[01:32:54] Maybe he could have got 40 million from the bills

[01:32:57] But he said 37 to go to philly. I'm not sure if that's the conversation but

[01:33:01] Right, you know, take 37 to go to philly the john's got to see him twice a year because they didn't want to pay him, right?

[01:33:07] You know, uh, what's the guy jidaria smith left green bay with the minnesota

[01:33:12] Um, you're gonna see me two times the air and jones

[01:33:15] Aaron jones, so you have those kind of like conversations and and vision making just like for me right for me

[01:33:22] for me

[01:33:24] In the nba this year the way that it's lined up right now

[01:33:28] We would get clippers and mavericks in the first round

[01:33:32] That's a pseudo rivalry. They're right back and forth, right? That's what I'm saying. So to me like it's already

[01:33:40] Is that we don't look at the rivalries entertainment because we we being the pundits

[01:33:46] Look at the championship as the end all be all right, right

[01:33:50] And like that's the standard is like, yo, can we just watch lucas go at kawai and paul george again?

[01:33:56] Right and see for me and for me

[01:33:59] You know, I'm like, yo

[01:34:01] lucas was under man against the clippers

[01:34:05] Averaging like 44 against them now he got a squad with him. You know what I'm saying?

[01:34:10] So now I want to see this series on some

[01:34:13] Now most things are created equal

[01:34:16] Play ball, you know what I mean or like or like

[01:34:19] Clippers a little older or for example for example, you know, um, mb just came back

[01:34:26] So if fiddly somehow ends up with the eight seed

[01:34:29] Plays boston in the first round

[01:34:32] We got a conference finals level series in the first round

[01:34:36] Yeah, but if you look at if you if entertainment is there, but it's still

[01:34:41] But that kind of but that kind of framework is hard to

[01:34:45] To manipulate and then you can it is but it takes some of that

[01:34:50] For these things to get off the ground in that way like like I said like the magic bird thing

[01:34:55] They played in the college that was just luck that it happened that way

[01:34:59] I'm not sure how much luck was involved because how did the flashy showtime guy go to la and the blue color white guy go to boston

[01:35:09] I think it's a little bit of you ain't get to the next

[01:35:11] Patrick you and going to the next

[01:35:14] Yo, he gotta see that

[01:35:16] You know the

[01:35:17] But the point being but the point being is that even if it was manufactured or whatever you want to call it

[01:35:22] the point being is that

[01:35:25] That had to happen like I think that the college part had to happen

[01:35:31] For it to affect the NBA the way that it did because they had that history already

[01:35:36] So college I want to I want to shout out to uh

[01:35:40] My fellow host two five

[01:35:42] Who literally say yeah, I think zack idiot do his thing

[01:35:45] But I don't know how many guys are coming along for the ride. Uh, he has 33 points

[01:35:50] Yeah

[01:35:52] Nine for 27 for 23 well, it's because well

[01:35:57] We well, we didn't get to talk about it. But what I was going to say was you know, um, what concerned me about purdue for this game

[01:36:05] Is that they're little like so they play the three guards

[01:36:09] You know their biggest guard is 6 4

[01:36:11] You con smallest guard is 6 4

[01:36:13] So, you know like you're already at a disadvantage because they're in the passing lanes

[01:36:18] You know, um, you already got to worry about clinging

[01:36:21] Blocking your shot in the paint

[01:36:23] But I also got tristed newton and step castle who are bigger than us guards that on the wing

[01:36:29] Yeah, so so

[01:36:32] Yeah, so that was my concern because clinging is only a sophomore

[01:36:36] So he's probably not ready for zack edy

[01:36:39] You know just on some zack edy has been around four or five years like xyz

[01:36:44] Bigger body all that stuff

[01:36:46] But you can't have these guys everywhere else, you know what I mean?

[01:36:50] So that's why I was that's why I picked you con to win and if this holds up the way the score is right now

[01:36:57] You con would win

[01:36:59] Each game in the last two nc double a tournaments during their repeat by at least 13 points

[01:37:06] You know, so that's something food some food for thought right there

[01:37:10] But hey on that note ladies and gentlemen

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