GRIN AND BEAR IT: INSIDE THE NFC NORTH

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[00:00:49] Don't do it. Mr. logical. And of course, you got your unorthodox status this should come in live from the Alamo Bible and Baltimore. Cooper left so much your thought out of the South Park. And I never thought I would sing this.

[00:01:06] But this weekend, I went more left than Baltimore. What's reported? Like, review, subscribe. You all the good things. You all defreting. And let's build. So normally we start this thing off with getting off my chest.

[00:01:29] But you know, Mr. Lodger and I were so excited to talk about the NFC North. We said, hey, you know what? Let's leave our chest B for a couple days. You know what I'm saying? And we're going to talk about the NFC North.

[00:01:43] So I'm just starting right off the top, Mr. Lodger. Green Bay. Chicago. Which one is for real? Which one is over height? I think when we got a look at here, is the last season was all shot at the cups.

[00:02:08] People kind of forget that Jordan Love had a, are we going to be drafting the quarterback in the first round? Kind of first half of the season last year. It wasn't like people weren't locked in. It was, I want to say luckily, but Aaron Rogers turned his Achilles.

[00:02:28] The Green Bay fans couldn't have been like, oh, Aaron Rogers is still in New York, killing it. And we got this guy. So he had that pressure that monkey all goes back. But for the first eight games, he was not killing it.

[00:02:40] The last eight games and then included a couple of playoff games, something like I think he had one in his section. 18 and one. 18 touchdowns, one in his section. Yeah. But the team still is nine and eight. And I think people kind of forget that because they dismantled Dallas

[00:02:58] at Jerry World. So people think like, oh, they must have had like this great turnaround season and it was like 11 and six season. I was, it was borderline, 9 and 8. A fumble here at Miss Phil Goliath. He heard the last game of the year to get in.

[00:03:13] They don't make the playoff. So it's like, I don't know how you go from not barely making a playoff. Which is fine. You made the playoffs. You made a big tournament. You made a big splash. Put a 48 points on Dallas.

[00:03:27] And then you had to lead on San Francisco, rock perting, and the 49ers kind of claw back to the lead. And then, unfortunately, you don't love doing any such an endgame. I like what they're doing. But I can, I can foresee a nine and eight year.

[00:03:43] And people looking at it like a let down. But it might be the best case scenario. We know I'm not really into the stats and all that information kind of just to over all a sense of the concept of this sport and everything else.

[00:03:55] You get into the, to the weeds. And we talked about pre-meeting. He's going to break down like certain chunks of the packer schedule that if you're looking at it as a sports fan again, and that anise. And it'd be like, you know what?

[00:04:10] Nin and eight wouldn't be a bad run because they got to eat weak stretch. It's not as bad as Pittsburgh's and we'll get into that later this week. But they have a eight weak stretch where it's like, it could, it could go left.

[00:04:23] So like I said, well, I'll let Mike get them like on seven of so as I got to do often. But like I said, I like the fact that they got the distraction either way. They're in a weird circumstance for like they don't have an owner.

[00:04:35] They have like shareholders and the fans have steak. I'm not sure exactly who calls like who makes the final shot. I don't know if it goes to a voting board if you have a certain number of stocks. Get the vote. I don't know how that works.

[00:04:47] But they seem to always get there. They don't go into all seasons with a lot of issues. That's why I went to far off thing even with far off. They're like, our cool.

[00:04:57] You're done, but we're going to an errand and then we're farther going to come back or like, yeah, we already went on an errand. Like they don't drag it out. Like some of these things like we think about Dallas and how they're dragging things out. Even San Francisco.

[00:05:09] How they're dragging things out. I think rebate since it gets things done. They have that real blue collar work been like ideology today team. So I think that had helped them. But like I said, when we get into this eight week stretch, that's you know,

[00:05:24] that's 45, 47% of your season. You have to hit in that eight week window because you're going to you're going to drop a game of other nine. You're going to drop a game Chicago. You're going to drop a game Detroit.

[00:05:36] You're going to drop you know, you're going to drop a game probably you shouldn't maybe Minnesota steals one out of that other nine. But we talk about this compact game strategy they have. It could be a situation where eight nine and nine and eight is on the table.

[00:05:49] And it's going to look like a disappointment because of their successful player friend of the head last year. Yeah, see the problem is with that afford mentioned 18 and one that you bought up earlier. You got to hear all the stat geeks.

[00:06:03] I'm not a stat geek, but I'm just saying you got to hear all the stat geeks talk about the only other two people in NFL history that have done this in an eight game stretch. Our name, my homes in Jackson.

[00:06:16] So that just adds on to the pressure because now even though you're not that player yet on that level yet, your name is in conversations that hold them because of what you accomplished.

[00:06:28] So people are saying, feet me more, but you know as Mr. logical said, let's look at this eight game stretch here, you got week seven. They start at home with Houston that that week. Go to Jacksonville home for Detroit. Then they get there by week.

[00:06:49] So who really right? No, because you come off the by week at soldier field home for San Francisco Miami coming in the next week at the twa. It been at Seattle. You know, that's your that's the eight week stretch right there.

[00:07:06] That's going to make him break your sit. You know, your season right there. There is no. Hey, we can go three and five here and make it up. You know, because of Caleb Williams is anything that people think that he might be you

[00:07:23] might be in trouble as is now green Bay to your point. You know, they work a lot like the Pittsburgh Steelers at one point where fans around the league sit around and we say, why don't never make any moves.

[00:07:40] Like they're they just believe in we're going to draft you. We're going to build you up. We're going to coach you up and you're going to be a dealer. You're going to be a packer. This is our culture.

[00:07:51] So when you look at the packers, you get fooled because you see in the offseason this pass off season they went and got Josh Jacobs who two years ago led the league in Russian. So you're like, good job guys, but guess what? They do shit on defense.

[00:08:07] Which was the problem to begin with. So then you get into these conversations of hey, Josh Jacobs might be an upgrade over Aaron Jones. Now that's a debate for another day probably, but what I will say,

[00:08:21] but what I will say is, I don't think it make a difference because Aaron Jones in his seven years in the league played a full season twice. Josh Jacobs played a full season once and five years. So either way you're getting a whole lot of non-depending.

[00:08:38] You get into this thing. Hey, hey, and then speaking of not being reliable, anybody see the Christian Watson? You know, took the lead. He's a rookie. He just has to figure out his hamstring.

[00:08:53] He has to get on the Pilates machine or something to figure out like why he keeps he was pulling hamstrings. I believe in the last time I saw him. He pulled like the middle of a route. Like he pulled a double move.

[00:09:05] I think he was going to be open, pulled up, incomplete pass and they took him off the field. Another thing that's going to hurt rebate from the like the fan support. Jordan left got his extension and we were talking in a premium, like maybe it

[00:09:22] kicks in next year. It kicks in this year. His base salary is three and a half million. Oh, nothing. Nothing crazy. Sign in bonus, 75 million dollars. So like I said, I wouldn't say they looked up because I don't think NFL teams

[00:09:40] look up to nine wins but they had a grind to get nine wins last year. You pay a guy $79 million essentially this calendar year. The expectation is to not go seven nine or seven and ten. Respect 10 11 wins. Unfortunately, everybody can have 10 or 11 wins.

[00:10:05] You might be in a situation where like I said that nine and eight might look way different than the nine and eight from last year. But are you going to how the fans going to kind of turn because you're getting $79 million and getting this nine and eight?

[00:10:19] Because last year they were the darlings value of expectation. Like we'll talk about expectations. We'll get some Chicago. So I think they're there. They're the sleeper pick for a lot of pundits that I've talked that I've talked that I've heard of.

[00:10:34] They could like they can be it because they believe the. The fact that the why receiver room is so inexpensive, but they're still simultaneously playmakers that paying Jordan love isn't going to take away from what they can do as far as a production sense.

[00:10:50] But in the same way, there's a pressure of. That Tuesday paycheck and everyone talking about the Tuesday paycheck. Zanket to them does he force throws? Does he do things differently to try to justify essentially holding out for it.

[00:11:09] Granted was like maybe like a week, but I think it was like holding in. He wasn't practice in the state. We're a term I've heard this year. Like some guys are holding out. Some guys are holding I guess that is technically holding in.

[00:11:24] I just being there, but not under contract from that talking about this contract. I think CD is holding out by not being there at all. Jordan love was holding in by saying I'm not going practice, but I'll be at the building.

[00:11:35] So it's all these different references to try to force their leverage. You got you. You got your money. It was rather quick. We talked about we talked about two of for two years getting his money. They finally got it. But yeah, that's 75 million dollar signabonies.

[00:11:50] As a fan you would probably think, okay, that's 10 wins. This is supposed to be the guy to get his 10 wins. And see, and that's where like you got to focus right because football is the ultimate team sport. What up, Q? You know, it's the ultimate team sport, right?

[00:12:07] You know, so what does that mean? What about defense? You know, so they lost Jonathan Owens. You know, to the rivals Chicago Bears. You know, we're not as remote by ourselves. Yeah, I also say you don't have his Mr. Simone Biles. Yeah.

[00:12:22] You know, he's not out jumping on was easy for getting the written in his contract. He gets to leave training camp for the Olympics. Right. I know a lot of people have leverage and the forest like money and everything else. But he was like, what's it?

[00:12:34] I need this to my contract that from July this date to this date. I'm not going to be here. You can't charge me. I'm going to be in Paris. That's just dope. Like I want to shot him off of that wherever his agent is,

[00:12:47] he's called a couple more seconds here. Corned back. So like listen, this guy, this guy's looking out for you. Right. So so defense, right? The green Bay Packers may be the beneficiary of the new college football, right? These coaches are leaving.

[00:13:03] You know, we saw Chip Kelly leave his head coaching position at UCLA. They said, we're going to be in the middle of the day to become an offensive coordinator at Ohio State. So the green Bay Packers reached down to college and grab the head coach of Boston College.

[00:13:17] One Mr Jeff Athley to become their defensive coordinator, which is crazy because they were a top five and points allowed last year and they still replace their defensive coordinator. Whatever. But when I look at Jeff Athley, right?

[00:13:30] I know that college football and the NFL aren't the same thing. Just look at certain things and you're like, why am I supposed to be excited about this? How come into this college football bag? I'll pay attention. I'm like, how do I help?

[00:13:45] Why can't I get this bag? How do I help him get this job because he was the head coach at Boston College for the last three years, right? Last year, this is the leading into becoming the Packers to physical coordinator.

[00:13:58] Boston College had the 70 of defense in the nation, total defense in the nation. You know, they were eighth in the ACC. I didn't say the SEC. I did not say the big 10. I said the ACC.

[00:14:14] So you think to yourself, come on to five don't kill that man for one year. What did it again before? They were number 100 in the nation. Number 13 out of 14 teams into the ACC. So I guess this is the Deon Sanders plan where you would, you know,

[00:14:31] hey, they won one day. Now they won four and I guess everything's all good. Now he's the physical coordinator for the Green Bay Packers. Yeah, I don't get it. But you know, so when I look at the Packers defense, they didn't go grab anybody that stands out.

[00:14:46] You know, they didn't go make a move. They didn't go even if it was somebody like say, oh, do like a step on Gilmore. You know, you feel like, Hey, we got expectations. People are picking us to go to the Super Bowl,

[00:14:59] picking us to make the NFC championship game. We can't ride it out because Detroit over here doing stuff. Chicago winning got not only a receiver from the Chargers, they went and got possibly the best receiver in the whole NFL draft. You know, they paid DJ Moore.

[00:15:18] You know, the Bears are still making defensive moves. And Green Bay is arrogant enough to say that we got Jordan love. We just going running back. It could be wise.

[00:15:32] They're probably looking at like, OK, if the you pay Jordan love his wire receivers have the year that they think they're going to have. You might have to break off. Don't do them. Don't take Smith money for a couple of these guys.

[00:15:46] Maybe maybe, you know, before the the wire receiver bubble went from 20 or like 26 million was like the crazy number that I think the Vonti abs got 27.

[00:16:00] The entire re got 30 and that guy's getting 35 you might have to break off 24 million for a couple of these guys maybe wanted to. Probably that polls because I can't imagine you pay your quarterback 55 and you pan to our receivers 20 plus.

[00:16:16] Like, I don't know, I don't know how I don't how to work the. We need to. So like I said, I like. I don't like. I just say I told you did there, President, that's all you did there.

[00:16:37] I want to take an adraft pick because we saw the call to Chicago, me to land to try to move from nine to eight and it was going to give it a fourth because they wanted to take Rome and Atlanta was like now we good and like so you want to extra traffic.

[00:16:49] Because you're going to take Pinnix and eight or not anyway, but we're not going to get an advantage. I'm going to harp on that enough to up the next few months. But I like sometimes I like just kind of staying patting it and moving forward.

[00:17:06] It's just your expectation management is the whole piece for me is like they were not in eight. This past season, right. I don't want people out here thinking 12 and five 13 and four because you think you got your guy quarterback. That's not, that's not how it works. Right.

[00:17:26] I like consistency. A piece I got from the Rich Eisenhower talk was watching yesterday. And what they said was that Matt LaFlor likes motion. He likes moving guys around to set up his plays. Mike B. Daniel does that. How Shannon hand does that.

[00:17:45] Aaron Rogers is a lot like Peyton Manning and your breeze and Tom Brady. They want you to get set.

[00:17:54] They want to see who's where and say I know when I look over here and I got Julie known to my left and this safety is closer down in the box. I've seen this on film. I know what they're going to do. I'm going to grok over here.

[00:18:08] I don't want all the motions where the floor couldn't tell Aaron. This guy needs going motion because Aaron like not I want everybody standing still and I want to look at them for seven or eight seconds and figure out where am I going to go with this ball.

[00:18:22] I don't need all the movement in the switch and like they're not going to move the defenses are going to move if you don't move off and suppliers.

[00:18:29] And I think just for years repetition it's like I want guys here so I know what to go with the ball and look forward like I need you to move guys around that way I can scheme it get jobs open on this on these screen or I can get the fake bubble screen and I can sneak.

[00:18:43] I'm going to try to watch it up the sideline like a little wheel row something along those lines Jordan love is going to you know. Acquies to those requests as far as in the game plan where I don't think Aaron would.

[00:18:55] So I think that LaFloran Jordan love will grow together because it's like listen you're running my offense I'm going to make you look as best as possible my offense where it's Aaron was like listen.

[00:19:04] I'm going to make your offense look as best as I can make it based on what I can do for you and I think right now that they're delicious reverse where.

[00:19:12] I love is in position where not yes listen to that before and I have to listen I want you to succeed because you succeed we succeed.

[00:19:19] Where's Aaron's like listen I'm going to succeed you're going to try along with me as a difference so I think that might help them out but not innate still realistic just because.

[00:19:28] Let me be fair to the packers they did get Xavier McKinney you know I forgot to mention that you know they did get Xavier McKinney so they did make a difference of move.

[00:19:38] But but you know but when I look at it right I'm looking around the in a sea just trying to appreciate the landscape you know so course you know. For me it all starts and ends with the 49ers.

[00:19:51] You know the Rams may be close but not quite there. You know Billy has the talent but we got to see you know as misological likes to say we got to see if their coaches grown up. Yeah, I got to see it.

[00:20:08] Dallas Dallas has you know may or may not have a wedding culture depending on who you talk to and you know there's a bit around it the trade is Detroit so so now you start the weed it out and you say like as I'm looking at these playoff spots.

[00:20:23] I'm getting to from the west. I might get to from the east you know so then you know might you know if they you look at it the south is getting in so that's that's five teams right there there's two spots left.

[00:20:40] You know what I mean so if you're green bay. You got to witness the vision because that spot might not be there for you if I'm green bay I'm thinking I'm beating Chicago out. Just off experience alone.

[00:20:55] Because as we transition Chicago Chicago has all the offensive pieces but they still have the same defensive head coach that could make your work with Justin Fields and maybe it's just some fields fault but they had weapons ahead.

[00:21:11] And that money, clay pool and DJ more and commit and Justin Fields.

[00:21:16] That's just as dynamic from a matchup since as what they currently have I know it might be a little better but you have room and do those are rookie so you don't really know what you're going to get out of him.

[00:21:28] DJ more is a you know good while receiver what probably one of the fastest and elite keen and now is a good route runner. Mooney was your take off the top guy. Like I said like paper warriors they're great for Madden.

[00:21:44] You go you know you go four wide and Madden or you go you know trips trips right with a tie nut like you're going to have a ball playing with Chicago and Madden.

[00:21:57] But in real life and all actuality is Mad even so it's because he grew to beard out as they're going to be different he's going to have a different mindset to see it because we're looking to play.

[00:22:04] And I said to see a couple of different birds with the beard without the beard. What happened to be it looks like an account what the beard looks like a head coach.

[00:22:11] But he had a gunman was Ryan polls like listen I can't get rid of the coach yet because if I get rid of the coach and then it doesn't work out.

[00:22:23] Going in the next season who might go get rid of because if you get rid of the coach if you got rid of the coach when you got rid of everybody else he'd have to bring in a new coach.

[00:22:31] Now that coach is headed to you. And if it doesn't work out with all these moves because they were in position to make these moves from the time of season that we knew of their first pick was going to be we knew how they're going to have they're going to have the ninth overall pick.

[00:22:44] We knew they're going to make moves. They solve just the fields we figured it out but I figured it out a better haul for Justin feels.

[00:22:50] I figured earlier tree could have got you one or two second round picks maybe not a first but I knew they had to draft capital. So if you get rid of the coach and he bring in another guy that doesn't work out they're going to look at she was a GM and he might be out in the next year.

[00:23:05] But having a new year of course potentially is a lame duck like listen I put these pieces together you can't make it works after week six weeks seven they're two and five or one and four you know I thought a few games then you can get rid of him.

[00:23:20] But I mean that's just me being a prognacicator without any. Yeah, I like Chicago but Chicago can easily go seven and ten again and it wouldn't it shouldn't surprise you because ever rookie quarterback was kind of quirky lot of expectations so then going seven and ten.

[00:23:43] Shouldn't surprise you if it does happen. Yo, I absolutely love Chicago next year. Next year I don't know I don't know what Caleb Williams is right now you know because you know I've seen him and you brought this up in our pre-meeting when.

[00:24:06] He folds you know he cries nothing against crying everybody needs a good cry every now and again I suppose you don't say everybody cries you know say he chips his nails you know saying that's enough his paint then he.

[00:24:21] He did he sits around and moops he just like looks lost like like you make sure wonder sometimes you know saying not to steal your line but it's like do you even love football.

[00:24:34] You know to me like or are you just the guy that is great at it you've been dominant you just been good at it for so yeah it came so you love you you love success of football but right love football because.

[00:24:47] They lost the Utah three times a row. Mm-hmm. What are those games they went and they're in the college football playoffs and I get it you talk like he and believe he got hurt that game he's heard his ankle or so yeah.

[00:25:01] Ankle a hand something so lost by three touchdowns. Yeah, so it's and everyone wants to compare him and say my homes ask the thing with my homes my homes last year his stats were 27 touchdowns 14 picks in the regular season.

[00:25:19] But in the playoffs every single week he made the play to make the team better and order for you to compare a guy to him and my opinion. I need to see that same thing so Caleb.

[00:25:32] He plays all schedule a lot but I remember that Colorado game where they pretty much had it on lock and then Colorado brought it back to within the one possession game and I know the defense was kind of like you know Swiss cheese you could drive max trucks to him.

[00:25:46] But in the same sense it it feels it feels like. It feels as if I haven't seen him.

[00:25:58] Persevered through tough situations if you want to call Oklahoma tough but that was tough because he was just behind a guy who is the number one recruit a class of silver for him so wasn't like it was tough because he got beat and had to win the job back like you came in behind a guy.

[00:26:15] Who's number one.

[00:26:17] Consider that you were number one in your class so if a guy came in behind you you would expect him to start of you either so the fact he expected just started with Spencer Rattler like it is baffles me so I think his expectations are very high.

[00:26:30] But I don't know if we have the tape. The matches his expectations and now with the league and the media having expectations of them being. Ten and seven to eleven and six contended with Detroit to win the energy north.

[00:26:45] I don't know how he takes it if they end up 23. Well the major difference between him and my homes is that we saw my homes as great as he is you know the no look passes and all the crazy stuff that he does in the moment.

[00:27:00] We also saw Patrick Mahomes lead off it as we saw him engineer drives through the lens of a system you know and so a lot of people had. The whole Texas tech stigma attached to him you know Texas tech what the backs don't succeed in the NFL.

[00:27:18] I'm a hero stick when you when you look at Caleb Williams and I don't know how to word this I guess I'm just roll with it but like it's a whole lot of playground football like.

[00:27:30] You remember we were little kids playing tag you drawing on your hand you go this way you go this way and then don't nobody remember all that and then you just start running around and you know you you're athletic you make play.

[00:27:42] But these guys in the NFL are faster than the guys that you play against a college. Yeah, so you know that's number one but the bears I will give the bears credit because they gave this man.

[00:27:56] Arsenal you know they already had DJ Moore they went out and got keen and I'm never there Alan. Yeah, you know like I said they got Roma doing say you know they went and got DeAndre Swift you know so even in the backfield you know like let's work.

[00:28:12] You know they went and got they already got Cole commit they added Gerald Everett to that. Yeah, you remember the the running back the small compact run a back her like recomb.

[00:28:23] And then they did on defense you know they brought back Jill and Johnson you know with Montess wet last year they were one of the top defenses in the lead coming down the stretch.

[00:28:33] You know the final gains of the season you know they they even had they even got Kevin buyer. You know from Tennessee slash Philadelphia last year you're not getting.

[00:28:44] He's a well he's just an intercept you just some magnet he just knows what the ball is going to be I think last past four years we wanted to top. Top you know in a section defensive back so right and it's a top in all of.

[00:29:02] And the top it and the top at all you know they even Tyson Baygit went to it to last year. Yeah, you know what that stuff.

[00:29:12] He was but he the thing but Tyson Baygit and I believe just in fields I believe the knock on Justin feels even from my rudimentary just watching the games we talked about this watching game you think you and I watched it.

[00:29:26] And I think we were doing it live or we watched the show and I remember. Yeah, we were doing it live I was crying on there.

[00:29:32] He just it seemed like sometimes he was holding onto the ball he made a couple of jump passes to where he was jumping into the shoulder pad. Of the defensive tackle so like he's getting slammed down to the ground a lot harder and he should have.

[00:29:47] But even with that page you know got a couple of a couple of wins. And I'm sure what he prefers gives you. And like you said I believe the they got the coordinator Brady. Leave for. You know the bears let's see. He have a leap.

[00:30:08] Because I know they got Shane Waldron is all offensive coordinator. They got Eric Washington is their defensive coordinator. Okay, so he came as long as below.

[00:30:18] So as long as if if Caleb can play on schedule he has he has what a young quarterback needs in a reliable virus he record. And then a big tight end that comes across the middle big reliable tight end if he could just hit his back foot.

[00:30:34] Go through his reads and let it go. So you know what I'm going to take this seven yard game on this curl to the tight end and get second and three versus trying to hit. DJ more on this deep route.

[00:30:51] For touchdown when it's you know nine minutes 18 seconds left in the first quarter like if we have plenty of time. Get this shot stack these first downs if you can they think and understand that because at USC it was big play big play big play.

[00:31:05] And I don't know if he's because he knew the defense is going to give up points so he was like going for it. Or if it just was like I want to make this big play because I'm obsessed with making the big play and not making the play.

[00:31:21] But I mean, if you can handle the podium I know he's been in he's been in a line life for you know last 36 months so that's not new.

[00:31:30] He's eccentric with the fingernail paints, you know what the fuck you tall on his fingers but you know couldn't beat him. Maybe you should have beat you tall in there. Because you tell us fucking you should have go you.

[00:31:44] You know said yeah he so so check it out right. So obviously we know what Justin fields added to the bears run game.

[00:31:52] You know they finished second or third in the league and rushing last year they were taught 40 year before that as well and his presence obviously impacts that.

[00:32:02] So taking that away obviously because I can't imagine that Caleb Williams was going to run like a way that Justin fields ran he won't run 20% of the way Justin feels right but Justin fields last year passing.

[00:32:15] You know 61.4 completion percentage 16 touchdowns noninterceptions so if Caleb Williams can do slightly better than that.

[00:32:27] You know if he can get to say 19 touchdowns in seven interceptions did the bears might be cooking with something but I don't think it's for if he gets 4,000 yards which the bears have never done.

[00:32:40] If he gets 4,000 yards and 30 touchdowns like you said he'd be the only bears quarterback to ever do that. I think just Josh Allen's done that every year suddenly.

[00:32:52] So it's like if you and other Josh Allen is operational and but like that's not a crazy amount of yards and it's 17 game season that's not a crazy amount of touchdowns this one and a quarter.

[00:33:08] One and a half per game gets you over 30 touchdowns so less than two touchdowns a game which anything little dump all of the titan in the flat or you get you get that bond off that you that you want.

[00:33:22] I think he'll be fine. I don't I don't believe that the hike is unwanted. I do think it might be a little. It could be a little much but I don't believe he's going to fall so much I don't think he's going to fall.

[00:33:40] I think he's going to give you bright young numbers with CJ stroud height because right now essentially everyone's looking at CJ stroud 23 and five.

[00:33:49] I think that's the new benchmark and it's not unrealistic benchmark for a young quarterback that's talent he had three years in college one year one the high as men.

[00:34:03] So he has he has to start to wear you know his career is very similar to what CJ stroud had as far as like statistically with the talent around that CJ had no I'll stay and what Caleb has and USC.

[00:34:17] I think it does translate and they still and they still you know like I said I was mentioned in their defense earlier you know they still have tremendous over there TJ Edwards, you know I mentioned sweat so like you know the banners are going in the right direction.

[00:34:33] I just don't think they have the right leader that's number one as far as the head coach goes but looking at their schedule right looking at their schedule. I don't think their schedule is that bad to start out you know they start at or at home against Tennessee.

[00:34:46] They go to Houston for Sunday night football so that's going to be hyped up right kill at Williams against CJ stroud. They go to Indie the week after that host of Rams host Carolina that's their first five games.

[00:35:00] Then so if you could go three and two there you might be working with something you know you get Jacksonville week six before your buy.

[00:35:07] So that's the problem is that your buy is so early right you go wash it in then you go cross country Arizona so you could lose that Arizona game just off of the travel.

[00:35:19] You know come back home for the Patriots and Green Bay and Minnesota so three so that's 10 through 12 weeks 10 through 12 three straight home games you go to the twelfth Thanksgiving. But then you follow up the twelfth would go on to South Francisco.

[00:35:35] And then you close out at Minnesota home for Detroit home Seattle at Green Bay that's not that rough of a schedule you know like a rough of a stretch so if you figure if we look at.

[00:35:47] He's from DC he played football in US and California and Oklahoma so if you look at the because I'm a big weather guy when you come to the back. Did he. It was it was solid they almost almost in this championship game for one for Aaron Rogers.

[00:36:09] But yeah you got you got a dome game in December so you have two dome games your two division games. And December so you're not playing so you're going to get Detroit your first Detroit game is going to be.

[00:36:26] And then you go to the top of the number and the dome but you get them at home outside and late December.

[00:36:33] Green Bay's outside late December there if they discover a power run game or consistent run game throughout the year I give him a shot in these late games. But if they are out there like yeah we have.

[00:36:53] Why receiver core and we're going to throw it all over the place with this young gun quarterback and then on staff is to run. It's not forget they got my guy Rochon Johnson you know backing up Swift so you know. Like they.

[00:37:06] There's a lot of they can play old school Rex Grossman Lance Briggs Brian Erlacker. Devon Hester that's kind of Chicago. I think they'll be fine. I think I still think he'll be able to get to his 4000 yards 30 times maybe not 30 touchdowns because Ricky's on seem to get.

[00:37:23] I think you got I believe that can 23 I believe Peyton had 26 we also like 25 in the session 28 intersections. Yeah so Baker had 26 or 27 touchdowns. You know it's just it's not common for young quarterback to throw that many touchdowns because I think.

[00:37:44] They probably could get that they probably could get that throw off but they don't know. The closing speed of a safety covered two in those title windows so I think they'll check it down and kick the vehicle.

[00:37:55] They might get you know those obvious throws that turn in touchdowns but those tight window throws that.

[00:38:01] You know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you can get that back corner the curtain throws the old school Peyman's repeat like those those red zone throw that those guys are getting off.

[00:38:11] I think in those situations even as a coach the last thing you want is a young quarterback and you put them in a situation where he throws a red zone touchdown because everyone knows you took points off the board.

[00:38:22] We could have got to feel go we could have got to touchdown and you fucked it up. The leverage that responsibility on a quarterback. And you know, like when I was a young kid, you know, young little lad young little tight.

[00:38:36] You know, one of my favorite nicknames in the whole world was the purple people eaters. I can't tell you the last time in a soda ate somebody. You know, you're in had no pass rush. Yes and now the Nail hunters in Houston.

[00:38:53] They did bring in Jonathan Grenard, you know, so they did a swap basically. You know, they went out in the draft. You ready for this mic? They went into the draft and they got the one and only JJ McCarthy. Michigan fame.

[00:39:11] You know, but now we don't know if JJ's going to get to start week one or is it going to be say I'm Donald who see ghost. Come on man. Sam's out of my starting.

[00:39:26] If it's going to be close, if it's going to be close, I rather if my offensive line holds up. Like if if all of this line is as you go through practice, if they look like they're holding up against your defensive front.

[00:39:43] I put JJ back there and let him take his lungs. We talked about this in our pre meeting. I think Kevin O'Connell as I'm watching quarterback plan on the background here on Netflix. It felt like he didn't really always mesh with Kurt Cousins.

[00:40:00] Kurt does seem to be in his head a lot and I think I'll kind of wanted to play a little bit more loose. And maybe it's based off the fact that, you know, like Kurt had all these things.

[00:40:10] All this all this information in his head and it was like, I need to slice through that. Focus on these these plays and sighted hash marks go. Maybe JJ because he doesn't know any better. Like I say, 26 and one in college.

[00:40:26] I believe you want to state championship at Michigan and the state of Michigan high school. All he knows is how to win even if it's whatever the team needs. Even if he hands a ball all 42 times and only throws 10 or 15 passes.

[00:40:40] I don't think you can get that off again. I'll add back Jones and NFL. But if this close between him and Donald, I rather put them out there and let him see it. I'd rather have him out there.

[00:40:51] You know, week three trying to run the two minute offense versus watching Sam Dorn or running and his unsuccessful. I think you're I think you gain more from JJ McCarthy being successful or unsuccessful going forward.

[00:41:10] Then you would with Sam Dorn or being an unsuccessful and JJ McCarthy watching it. Like I said, so it's close. I'm going with.

[00:41:20] I'll go with JJ and I think it kind of like in like I say, he's already bought himself at least this season and maybe next season with the injuries and the quarterback personal he was in.

[00:41:34] He hadn't placed last year. He had to go from BYU that tried to dive to the ends on against the Atlantic.

[00:41:40] I had knocked out the game. You got to bring in Josh Dobbs who didn't even know all the offensive line is names when he came back in that game against Atlanta and one.

[00:41:49] Atlanta's always a great way to get you confidence back if you're quarterback so that also worked out. But he's playing games with the mullins Josh stops again. So it just was like Jared all you know, so he was going through this gamut of quarterbacks.

[00:42:03] Now maybe you want to protect JJ McCarthy with my opinion. If you all offensive line is holding up and he understands how to get the ball out. He doesn't try to run it due to much

[00:42:13] To where he's getting himself hurt taking unnecessary hits. If you can handle that then I put them out there and have Dorn or holding the clip or because Dorn has had his opportunity.

[00:42:21] His number three overall pick. He went to the panesis had opportunity. He couldn't beat out Baker made field and now he's here. So it's like

[00:42:29] It's only so long you can figure out if this guy's a guy. If he's a career back up make the backup bring the guy you drafted into first round let him start let him take his lumps let him know you're not going to bench him.

[00:42:41] Yeah, like JJ McCarthy in limited action I know he played the whole time.

[00:42:48] But in limited action he made some plays you know like I don't know. I got into this on the hot box last night where, you know there's not many games that I look at and just say JJ McCarthy led that win.

[00:43:02] You know I know that from what I remember when they let him go he threw two pick sixes in the playoff against TCU. You know this year of his pin state you know this past season. You know they ran 27 straight run plays. At a win or another.

[00:43:21] In a room head coach not as fine that's fine. I didn't want to be the reason that they I'm granted. They weren't going to lose they weren't being in an advocate for JJ.

[00:43:30] It's a party but it's like I hate what guys doing on these video games with his trying to stay play over and over again, but it's like a real life. Listen, if you can't stop this right hand I'll keep it you would. Right.

[00:43:41] Chief tag in the left side of your face. JJ McCarthy to me where where JJ McCarthy showed some worth to me was the playoff game against Alabama because it would have been easy for him to hang his head. You know defensive struggle playoffs.

[00:43:57] You've been here last year the game against TCU that I brought up. So it would have been easy to go here we go again or the fold under the Nick Saban pressure. You know, but he made some big plays and that game you know so salute home.

[00:44:12] He made a throw against Washington even though they were up by double digits. There was a throw that he made against Washington that said okay he does have some time now I don't know if

[00:44:26] I'd go as far as Jim Harbaw because Jim Harbaw went on to compare him to Andrew look. I don't know if I go that far but maybe there's something there that Michigan system held back from us or maybe he's to Harbaw system.

[00:44:42] Or it was just the Harbaw system yeah, and we're talking about you know just in the hurry with the charges in the Harbaw and they say Harbaw gets the best out of his quarterbacks from within the Harbaw system.

[00:44:54] Sometimes coaches have that just like we talk about Sean Peyton. I feel like Sean Peyton wants a quarterback to fit his system and make his system go.

[00:45:05] Whereas I think Harbaw's like listen this is our system you're going to take off in this system because when you throw the ball down field

[00:45:16] I have two tight ends in here to block for you and the third tight end is going to leak out and you're going to get an easy completion.

[00:45:24] A guy named Stoodle Baker or some kind of mid-western name is kind of guessable and he's going to run 30 yards up to scene and then we're going to be on the go because I'm going to put you in position to where.

[00:45:36] These are the best possible throws I'm going to keep you in that position because we saw what Captainic did. Captainic was unbelievable.

[00:45:46] Alex Smith is unbelievable with Jim Harbaw because he's like listen, I'm going to put you in position where you're going to make four or five remarkable plays a game.

[00:45:56] Whether throwing a ball or with the legs, I'm going to put you in position because this system will put you there. And I think McCarthy just kind of benefited from that they had the best run it back you know tandem in the backfield.

[00:46:09] Well, you know, I had a nasty thought earlier, you know, I was I was going back through because like about a month ago, you know I was looking at this stuff and I was like shit man Minnesota might go three and 14 or something like that.

[00:46:24] And then like as I was like coming back down to it, I was like hey there actually isn't much difference between Minnesota and Chicago.

[00:46:33] You know because when I look at like just looking at the roster I'm talking about you know you got Justin Jefferson is long as he's not in jail, you got Jordan Addison.

[00:46:43] You know you got TJ Hawkinson even though he's coming off of injury, but you got TJ Hawkinson. You picked up Aaron Jones from Green Bay we saw what he did to the cowboys in the playoff game.

[00:46:53] You know say I said at first cue all the one I'm getting there you know said and you know to be so like they got Aaron Jones now. I'd like to try to learn who played a little bit last year he was better than Madison last year.

[00:47:06] You know when you look at the defense, you know they got green art he's not to deal hunter per se, but I like him. They went and got Dallas Turner in the draft you know so like Minnesota. But you know steel by the way.

[00:47:19] Yes, they got there start they did the same thing he's in did you got a potential start quarterback and the fart starting defensive stud in the first round. You got a couple of moves couple of phone calls and you really say you set yourselves up going forward.

[00:47:36] So I think it's possible that JJ McCarthy could be more pro ready in this moment than Caleb Williams is from the standpoint of you know mentally. You know he listens, you know he doesn't think he's bigger than the team. He's not right. Caleb Caleb.

[00:48:00] Caleb it was USC and they'll call in call reported this because he said he's connected to USC that only Lincoln Riley. He's connected to all his mouth to their at could could that too could talk directly to Caleb.

[00:48:16] It was like no one else in the coaching staff could talk I don't know what the extent of that is,

[00:48:23] but if it was a situation where he only went the Lincoln that could be a problem in a fell because you have grown in coaches or who aren't going to cowards to you know some 21 year old.

[00:48:34] And Caleb Williams already telling these dudes to clean up the water bottles. It's like, no, Ricky you cleaned up the water bottles. I like I like that because I'm on this big decluttering kick here my own at bone space was like I tell my son like listen man.

[00:48:50] If you clean up the shit around you as you use it then when the next wave of stuff and Beverly comes, it doesn't look like a tornado came through because you're going to have dirty towel is you're going to have cleats.

[00:49:05] You're going to have like maybe broken shoelaces and cleats and you're going to have to put them in a pile but if that's also next to the trash you could have taken out or whatever food boxes you can bring from the facility.

[00:49:19] All that stuff is in there mixed in with like your normal football stuff.

[00:49:23] It's gone look like it's gone look like a debacle and then people won't people will treat it as such like I tell them like kids all the time like listen if you're going to have a party at your house.

[00:49:33] You clean your house before people show up that way when people show up they understand this is a standard you're walking into an environment that we use coasters should goes in the trash can like that's the standard.

[00:49:46] If you said if you a lot of standard to be we just leave stuff everywhere then that leaves people is not caring about the locker room not understanding that it's like it's a cohesive unit that needs to work well together.

[00:49:58] It can't work well together if you're going to only want cleaning up and everybody else is keeping a mess so I was saying see and and I look at it.

[00:50:08] I like it too but I like it for different reasons for different reasons you know saying I like it because when I look at it.

[00:50:16] Chicago needs a leader yeah but if my house was so messy that a child could walk in and recognize that this is messy to a child's eyes.

[00:50:25] I got to look at myself like you know if I'm a veteran and I got a rookie coming in like you we didn't act like this in college. You can't be like oh my grown man is like well why am I telling you to clean up after yourself.

[00:50:38] Why do I have to mention that if you are this this established that's why I understand you don't want to just be chastised by a rookie but in the same sense why you not position where you're holding up the standard. That's what I'm about to tell you.

[00:50:53] You want to yeah that's why I like it because the bears are losers DJ more is a loser he'd an Allen is a loser you know Montess what is a loser not at these dudes have ever done anything in FL like he didn't.

[00:51:06] I think Allen's had good season everything like that but like I mentioned he's not even there half the time anyway so so I like the fact that this kid is coming in now the problem is. The problem is.

[00:51:21] Is that Caleb Williams hasn't played a down yet all look at John break my stick of light. I'm not like.

[00:51:28] Yeah, but you know but you know but but like it's not the fact that he's a winner per say you know say so this is where I was this was what I was about to say you know obviously like.

[00:51:45] Caleb Williams is building a reputation of his mouth the brand all this kind of stuff so it just hits a little differently to where is I think we might view it a little bit differently of Jayden Daniel said that or if Jayden McCarthy said that we might not view it the same.

[00:52:02] Because they don't have that same reputation that Caleb Williams has but this is the thing though this is the thing though you know saying Caleb Williams was brought into the Chicago bears. To be the savior if you will so why not from day one.

[00:52:20] The I was the I was about to say assume the position but I know y'all's old kill me for that but he was but you know, but he was going to put his foot down and say look.

[00:52:28] This is my team I'm taking ownership you know to me and I respect that now with that being said.

[00:52:36] They don't want to tell you know you go carry my bags just like we saw a morning tour went off about this and was upset that Caleb Williams wanted to clean lock it.

[00:52:47] That was that was because I think he I think like you say you said it perfectly if Jayden Daniel says it. We don't interpret it with a diva like tone and look at what's it's differently like if you think about it right now if everybody listening imagine.

[00:53:07] How you if you're looking at Caleb Williams say clean up the locker room. What are you what are you thinking about you thinking about all the extra stuff you thinking about the contract conversation you thinking about the fingernails you thinking about.

[00:53:22] All like the theatrics that come along with the show that is Caleb Williams so we're all envisioning him standing up there and a bunch of grown man look down like look at this to it. But if but if Jayden Daniel says it.

[00:53:36] Jayden Daniel's the only locker room if it's been an opportunity to put a lot is when they were cleaning when he was cleaning out his locker in the air is on the state.

[00:53:43] If he would have said exactly no do with painting me tell me to clean anything that's the difference his tone and his message is warranted if you want to create a winning environment.

[00:53:57] Declutter be prepared get in and out like we talked about a basic training like you know being Michael base training we were issue three pairs of shoes.

[00:54:09] I'm like I'm 60 of us in my use as a hundred eighty pairs of shoes if they weren't organized under the bed and chair is against the wall and a fire drug goes off. I'm just going to try to get out.

[00:54:24] But the standard was yeah keep this clean and we got a point it leadership positions upon arrival it wasn't a dude that was in base training two weeks before you are three before you that was in charge of you.

[00:54:35] It was a guy that got off the bus with you put him down pick him up when you hold your bags at four o'clock in the morning and say it's on your humidity.

[00:54:43] It was somebody who decided to identify this guy like hey you're going to be a elementary or you're going to be my dorm chief you guys are in charge this is a standard but so I might be older I might be older than then a guy or got might be older than me.

[00:54:56] And if I'm in charge I said you listen we got to get our night displays ready whatever with the uniforms.

[00:55:02] It's time to do that it doesn't matter that I was 18 in basic training or when I was head red robots 18 19 years old if you're 26 you join me that's cool my position is this get lined up to three four we go on the school.

[00:55:15] And see it's like but to answer your question cue that's not the right question the right question is why did he have to say that's the right question.

[00:55:25] Where do you the state of the Chicago bears you know that that that showed you the point of the Chicago bears right there they are you get up to us.

[00:55:36] Raise on you get off the bus with that as a training a you know, but the bears are not a serious team we got off the bus we went in there zero week we're in the day room and they started signing positions.

[00:55:51] Maybe as often how you care to self maybe as posture maybe it was like certain t. Eyes like a guy who was tall it just depends on who got put in that position if you were good at it people respect it you if you weren't you are going to be respected and those guys got replaced.

[00:56:07] But if the expectation is we're in this together we showed a training camp together let's make sure we do this collectively I know the message me the message does land the messenger made that have earned that cloud get.

[00:56:22] But allow him to use this as is like you know what this guy is trying to make the team better present us better well. Given that opportunity right so and that's what I'm saying like you know we got our zero week we got there Wednesday Thursday by Friday.

[00:56:40] And that's the problem. Maybe the coaches haven't set the culture so now but think about it though now now you got Shane Waldron in there who was the office coordinator in Seattle last year so he came up under Pete Carroll.

[00:56:57] And you know Pete Carroll ain't running those ship like that so maybe that's something that can bleed into Chicago maybe that's a conversation that this office coordinator had with his quarterback like hey.

[00:57:08] You're the quarterback you're the leader of this team you know X Y Z you know all that kind of stuff like that but back to Minnesota real quick you know the being like the one thing that I do know about Minnesota for better or worse.

[00:57:20] Is that they gonna play some close games you know you remember what they did two years ago you know when they were to play off team with the losing.

[00:57:28] They won 13 games and yeah, usually point differential last year they went six and seven in one score games that's 13 of their 17 games one score so I know that Minnesota's going to end and Brian Flores did a masterful job with that defense last year they weren't a top defense in the league.

[00:57:47] But they were a hell of a lot better than you thought they had any right being so look so looking at their schedule, you know so we could get on to the team that matters in this division.

[00:57:57] You know to me they start at the giants so hey JJ McCarthy if you're to start it right you know Daniel Jones don't lose the JJ McCarthy.

[00:58:07] You know and then they they hold San Francisco the week after that then it you know see this is what they do to Minnesota right they get the giants and you're like hey.

[00:58:17] Maybe Minnesota could sneak that game dependent on what Daniel Jones looks like is so on so forth, but then you go San Francisco at home Houston at home at green bay jets then you get your buy. You go lions at home at the ramps.

[00:58:35] So even if you get that giants win, you might be looking at one in six down the barrel. Yeah, but if you look into the schedule, the only really the only teams there's two teams on here maybe even just the one. I'll say two.

[00:58:52] Tennessee and it okay, Tennessee Arizona Atlanta those are the only three. Kings where if Minnesota was favor 55% to 45 the win it wouldn't surprise you.

[00:59:10] The rest of these games I think they're probably not going to be favorite to when they're probably not going to be favorite to when they're probably not going to be favorite against the giants they're probably favorite against for you not as Houston green bay.

[00:59:20] The jets lying in's rams. Colts Jacksonville so they're first nine games are going to be underdogs right I guess I'm giving them yeah, but that's a little like I'm winning I'm giving them five wins.

[00:59:33] But it's not like a so jerk or not it's not like they have like a Steelers, Bengals chiefs bills kind of run.

[00:59:42] I think they're just going to be underdogs because just by privacy of the roster we got to figure out who their quarterback is but I say all that to say that I'm picking the lions to win this division.

[00:59:57] Because you know Santa Yola appreciate this resident say you know 16 rushing last year third and passing you know Jamir gives five point two yards for carry second in the league in 20 yard rushes and wasn't even the starter he's what regime bush was supposed to be.

[01:00:16] No shout out to Reggie Bush. No shout out to Reggie Bush. Shout out to Reggie Bush. Reggie Bush is a loser six one nine. Family alley Smith out there when they say championship and Cali.

[01:00:34] I do what we're ready bush to but I'm just saying Jamir gives us what he is what they told us. Reggie Bush was going to be. I let me introduce you to Jimmy or Gibbs. Jamir gives is the perfect running back for today's NFL's.

[01:00:50] Especially a team like Detroit. I know Jerry golf gets a lot of heat. We could talk about the energy championship game.

[01:00:56] I'm still going to put that showed it at blame on the in Campbell for not just kicking a field goal and going back up 17 in the third quarter. I'm going to say that you're going to get a lot of energy.

[01:01:07] I'm going to say that you're going to get a lot of energy. Just go back up three possessions at a minimum you would take the win out of the sales of the stadium. Right.

[01:01:16] At a even if you didn't get the point you wanted the drive then if you wanted they got to fill go you want to get a touchdown. I understand what you want intrinsically, but you would have taken the wind out of the sales.

[01:01:29] And then San Francisco comes out and either they have a long drive. They're eating up the clock I think it would have been like eight minutes left if they would have gone back up 17 of it somewhere between like seven to eight minutes.

[01:01:41] So they're going to eat up at least three or four minutes if you play solid defense if you didn't give up any big plays and they're just moving the ball down to feel to get.

[01:01:50] Get points they're going to eat up four to five minutes out that I ate in the clock anyway so now you getting the ball back. Case scenario you're still up two possessions.

[01:01:59] Running the ball three two three minutes getting to the fourth and that means it just I just wish they would have played the long game and we would have gotten our cheese lions.

[01:02:10] Three matches Super Bowl I think they would have been dope but he didn't and he kept going for an on fourth down. Maybe he'll learn I like I like how they feel off him because I haven't heard anything negative about them all.

[01:02:24] You remember that Dallas gave last year. The reporting eligible literally everybody retired tire office a line damn they reported like everybody was wiping their chest and I don't know how to reference I think he just kept going for two after that.

[01:02:40] Well of course I mean like I look at it saying, wait it's like we're already good. Like why do like and if we talk about this I think I don't know if it was on the show we just had that conversation on the phone.

[01:02:50] I was like I rather just go for two and when it and be done or losing to be out of here either way and when in my division.

[01:02:59] I think they were already kind of locked into where they were seating why there's like why play 10 more minutes of a game that doesn't really matter ultimately to the scheme or what they were trying to do like I rather just go ahead.

[01:03:12] I mean it's going go up and win by one and wrap it up. But like I said they got they got Jim though because everybody reported they ran straight to the referee and he got it.

[01:03:24] But even with that they had a shot and energy championship game you talk about junior gifts talk about James and Wands like just. I know when guys get when guys get injured in that last college football game before their draft eligible is always like.

[01:03:44] Damn my NFL hopes might have just gone about a wayside. But when it's up happening is that instead of going 7 you go 27 and the team at 27 had a way better record and chord than the team at 7.

[01:04:02] So now James and Williams came up to injury then he came up to suspension right now he's a fresh is like you got a fresh brand new first round. Why I would see what talent that has two years in your system already. Jim here gives.

[01:04:18] I'm on the Rossi Brown no distraction you paid him got a square to wait Jerry golf got his extension i think he's still in a redemption towards a lot of got.

[01:04:27] Sometimes I think these athletes need like to have a chip on the shoulder i think Jerry golf is going to cost you have a chip on the shoulder because the way they ran them out LA i mean maybe he really did try to knock down Sean V's fiance i don't know the truth is but you know everyone made it seem like it was his fault that they didn't go far in the playoffs i got i was a starting quarterback.

[01:04:45] And the Super Bowl McCord it doesn't make that play me probably went. No Sanso i like Jerry golf i like what he's doing like how he fits like a selective a difference story and i just like the weapons that they have in Detroit pause. You know saying.

[01:05:00] I like how he fits okay you know. I'm like so late so my weapons it's like the first. No so.

[01:05:14] Josh Reynolds is gone you know so that is even there the but well well depends on how you want to look at this if you're looking at it from a statistical framework no.

[01:05:26] But i'm looking at it from the standpoint of that was your possession receiver that was your big body. All I guess that you know we go across the middle and make those plays because i'm on raw Saint Brown gets nicked up a lot to.

[01:05:41] You know the james and Williams came into the league off of that ACL so it's been a little slow for him you know the main he got suspended for game. Yeah, hand foot mouth disease last year.

[01:05:54] You got yes you know some he gets picked up bro he he just he just he just doesn't but Detroit said you know what.

[01:06:03] I heard which i'll say about Jordan love you know what i heard about what you said about Caleb Williams so we go and go out and not only draft Terry on Arnold who might be the best corner in the draft.

[01:06:16] And his Rick straw too and then there's the logical is the logical do you know who the Detroit lion's drafted in the fourth round by somebody a lannick to use what are they get. See only vucky.

[01:06:33] Out of you to yes our guy you don't bring to the show. You know play a he was playing right in back when game have like a hundred something else. Yeah, not a loser you know to be a then they did when it when it coached right.

[01:06:48] Second stadium let's go they picked up don't even people's Jones.

[01:06:53] You know from Cleveland so maybe he can feel that void even though he's not necessarily that he Sean Johnson type you know receiver maybe he can fill in some of that Josh Reynolds that i you know i was talking about earlier.

[01:07:06] You know so so last year james and Williams in the three playoff games he only had 79 receiving that's got to come up this year this has to be the breakout year you know every year there's a player on every team.

[01:07:22] That you're looking at and saying we need you to come with us and if you do. Success awaits if they can get james and Williams to fulfill his potential that lion's might just be playing in the super bowl this year.

[01:07:36] Just get the ball in his hands we saw what happened when he got the ball in his hand first quarter against San Francisco is like a 50 hour test and he was clear. 20 year or so to line it was like that's the test down.

[01:07:47] Like soon as he got through and he got on the second level it was like this guy is dynamic it looked like a couple of those games that he had against George where he just got that ball and it's like there's no one else on the field.

[01:07:58] Right and you know like you would be shocked you know Detroit was one of the top defenses in the league who thought that you know on top of the rushing.

[01:08:10] The rush is the thesis that we talked about so this is Aaron Glenn you know is this is last year is he going to get a head coach and job soon. And then you got.

[01:08:20] So this is my problem with Detroit you know I talked about green day how they made the middle move you know they went and got Xavier McKinney but nothing else so Detroit still need somebody to help.

[01:08:32] And I'm not going to say that you said because eight and hundreds in is a one man record right now you know but eventually when you play against the better teams.

[01:08:41] They can scheme you out in some ways we see that with people like Mike for Parsons as Joey Bosa as Joey Bosa as Nick Bosa Nick Bosa yeah.

[01:08:48] Hopefully the Boses but then again Joey Bosa's a loser because he's on that key to now and plan about I don't want to play you know like season A was talking about how Kawaii and Vitt injuries.

[01:08:58] You know say he went to the school of Bosa you know saying so so as we sit here they lost CJ Gardner Robinson Johnson I'm sorry CJ Gardner Johnson he went back to film you know but he missed half of last year or actually he missed every game except for the last game of the season going into the playoffs.

[01:09:16] So they didn't even get that benefit you know I thought that he would have been a great bit to keep there but I guess it just wasn't to be so when I look at Detroit. You know I don't think.

[01:09:29] Green Bay can match them told a toe as far as point production and a one off in a one game scenario they can mention they could match Detroit point for point.

[01:09:41] But Detroit would get the first stop you know if they play when you're looking at Chicago yeah they did get markets that important good call cue you don't understand but they still need more you know but they also but they also if you match them up with Chicago.

[01:09:57] We still don't know what Caleb Williams is and I think Aaron Glenn is good enough to confuse him. You know when I look at Minnesota you know Minnesota has the pre-Brexit talent they just don't have the quarterback right now to to our knowledge.

[01:10:11] James McCarthy might come out of the surprises but as we sit here on August 5th year of our Lord 2024. You know saying we don't know who Minnesota's quarterback is so that's why for me it's easy to pick Detroit to win this division.

[01:10:27] Because because they're the best all around team called in Davis was a great pickup another secondary piece you know so and that's my point is that like green Bay has jy your Alexander.

[01:10:38] You know maybe Erkstokes lives up to his potential but Detroit got dudes but Detroit got dudes to where it's like hey you know what if this guy plays that let me give the rook a shot.

[01:10:51] You know and so we have to feel what what they do in Detroit which will help eight inches in because now why receiver's on open as quick.

[01:10:59] Right so now these quarterbacks have the whole the ball half a second to get to that next read if that's enough for eight inches to get in get just strip sex or if that's enough for your defensive tackle get the pressure up front.

[01:11:11] And then sometimes just it's a matter of and I like the DJ reader pick up to by the way, you get lucky you get lucky you grind.

[01:11:20] And you're going to be on top of your division for a while you know Minnesota's going to take a little bit green Bay did sign Jordan love but I think they're going to take a cup.

[01:11:29] It's got to take green Bay believe a couple of years we're locking them in for 11 or 12 wins like the way we're pretty much locking the Rams and right now for 10 wins even though last year we didn't think well. Well you know it's one of those things right 12 wins.

[01:11:43] It's going to be whenever Detroit because Detroit's going to have a decision to make here right like like they're going to have a decision to make you know the pinnacle how this season finishes up. You know to mean you got to look at Jared golf's contract.

[01:11:58] And you got to figure out what's the road forward. I think he'll play I think he's because I believe he found a home in Detroit even as a California kid. I think he'll give them that I want to say my homes kind of deal but I can't imagine.

[01:12:17] Well no he got the extension already I'm just saying they got a good day. Yeah, I think he's going to take it.

[01:12:23] Two two way yeah tie week tie the way tie we kill just move this deal around with the with the doll things to get more money but they spread it out.

[01:12:31] I think because eight hatches is going to get paid I don't think he's going to I don't think they're going to treat their his contract the way that was to treat my comparisons.

[01:12:39] So I think eight of them is going to get paid you might want to pay him before Mike against paid if that's an opportunity like a micro play let this whole year doesn't get paid.

[01:12:49] Because if he has a good year then it's going to be like you said coming on Detroit to either match or or exceed whatever micro Parsons gets.

[01:12:59] So that's all you know the contracts they're going to work themselves out if you have a good cap I'll just can get build and you'll figure out how to move money and hide it offshore bring it back.

[01:13:10] Hide it in crypto you know hiding in the machine a stock option is whatever hell you got to do to get the key. I think they'll figure that piece out.

[01:13:22] You said quickly they got I'm around on Jericho wasn't a dragon like we've been talking about tax contracts is too.

[01:13:28] The choice looks like actual NFL franchise now listen this is amazing when you get the right coach you guy near to sister like you know it's keep the locker room clean.

[01:13:39] You know saying like you get a dude there willing to bite some knee caps and just all the way down and way back up it just comes together you know so looking at the short schedule right looking at Detroit schedule.

[01:13:51] They start off with playoff rematches they get the Rams at home again remember they sent the Rams home they get Tampa week two at home they sent Tampa home remember that then they go to first row game the Arizona Monday night football home for Seattle.

[01:14:06] By week it did off that by week they go back to Jerry world let's see if Dan Campbell's gonna play with theta again. You know at Minnesota Tennessee at home at Green Bay at Houston Jacksonville at home at Indianapolis Chicago Green Bay Buffalo all that home.

[01:14:27] At Chicago close with San Francisco from Monday night football that game could be for the number one seed so when I'm looking at this schedule right. I had to talk to myself I had to talk to myself because.

[01:14:38] Yeah, because remember earlier I said when I first looked at Minnesota schedule I was like three and 14 and then I had to be like okay okay okay they'll get six or so you know when I first looked at Detroit schedule I was like 13 and four.

[01:14:55] That's a 34 let's get it. They I mean it's favorable if you look at because like what all the different days of the week that games are going to be played this season.

[01:15:06] They with Amazon getting stuff and peacock getting nights Netflix is getting games they it's going to be all over the map right play a lot of their games on Sunday.

[01:15:19] I think they got a couple Monday night games maybe one Thursday night game but they play a lot of games and seven day increments on Sundays. They got a Monday night game to get a third night game begins.

[01:15:32] The Packers and they got a Monday night game week seven of course they got the things given I don't know if you said that but yeah yeah yeah.

[01:15:39] Yeah, so they have a couple Thursday games which are and that's a third day game and he's still got 10 days for your next game so I think they're going to be in a good good schedule good room team.

[01:15:50] I like to get five to resident say you know to me. So I'm going to say Detroit 12 and five I'm going to go green bay nine and eight. You know I'm a go Chicago seven and 10 and I'm a gold Minnesota call it five and 12.

[01:16:06] I like those numbers Chicago could pop at eight nine but yeah they could pop at eight. I just I don't know. I just haven't seen Caleb Williams hit his back foot and let the ball go off the enough to wear.

[01:16:22] I think he by a situation where he throws he throws a bad pick out of the pocket that he could have stayed in the pocket it could met across the middle. You know again like that and they just end up losing it just because you're rookie.

[01:16:34] And we see these guys in their high school 7 on 7 we seem in the lead 11 and we see him on TV we see him getting ready and we see their Instagram then they go to college.

[01:16:44] And we see him for four years and think that this guy's a 23 24 year old season of it. Not realizing that most of you guys I got drafted this year are you're going to my oldest son so it's like.

[01:16:56] They think time like I had to sit down on something we had to go over life lessons of things that made your so if you're planning CEO essentially of a major corporation which you are as a starting quarterback there's going to be some pitfalls going to be some lumps.

[01:17:09] I just hope that. They're giving an opportunity to really play it out.

[01:17:15] Jason McCarthy Sam Don already had his shot Minnesota give me shot Chicago give Caleb Wendy shot clean up the locker room don't just patronize because he paints his fingernails and let people just kind of swayed his native because.

[01:17:29] You need this guy locked in it's a very tough position we talked about that that go pro footage that to a hat on his helmet and. And it was like I don't know how to hell these guys even get these throws off.

[01:17:43] And I was walking out the watching quarterback and I've seen you know you got to guys the blitz is hot. And Joe Burrow called his snap I was watching something earlier got to snap barely turn through the past to the Titan and took a whole like.

[01:18:00] The fence of tackle in this chest knocked them down I was like he barely had a chance to turn his head let the ball go. So it's a tough position to play I would hope that people within the organization are trying to cultivate a coach to where.

[01:18:13] You allow this guy to be the leader you support him and get everybody to follow around I know wins fixes that.

[01:18:19] So you got to have some wins you can start out one in four after five games it's all about this we're building the culture because you could just done that with Justin feels another guy drafted a number one so. So you know we got one division left.

[01:18:40] Before we turn it over to catch football the real football. And you know what I mean but yeah that was that that was the in the in the scene nor if I think it's the one of the most. It's probably the division I'm looking.

[01:19:00] The most forward to just because of all this height and just seeing how it lays out that I think that division without doing the math I think a lot of those games will be flexed into national television games I think.

[01:19:15] Jordan love I think Caleb Williams is so polarizing. I believe a lot of his games if given the opportunity if they can make a national televised games. I think they're going to go especially early on in a year yeah wish I wish Caleb Williams.

[01:19:30] Was in the AFC and he could play CJ stride you know you could do that good versus evil thing that we like to do. You can't. I thought we had that match.

[01:19:40] Don't have you played they do play this year but they're not going to play very often you know because it's just like for some reason. The division ending played New England all the time every year it seemed like they were playing every regular season. What they had.

[01:19:54] Yeah, they set that up. They did something to set it up that way. They always seem like they play that the same place a lot too. They always played like Dallas and Green Bay always seen the have a reason to play.

[01:20:06] It was always something to wear Dallas and San Francisco. Always played each other. Because America loves to watch the cowboys get the ass walked. But like you don't say. Miami versus the Rams is just never seen that. Hey they played this year.

[01:20:21] So this was it is like certain teams. Yeah, they have like this match up that we here. The show but Joe thank you for all the support thanks for the engaged bit. Like review, subscribe share rate rate us review us.

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[01:20:53] I said it. We'll figure out Thursday. We love you. See you soon. Hey Mike, I've got to. You know when our teams can't beat the cowboys we got to revel. We all get child ass kicked. It's just real because we lose our van. We don't say it. Peace.