Championship DNA: The Knicks Did What?

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[00:01:57] So let's get right to it. Mr. Logical. Yeah. You ready for my dad joking today? Let's hear it. So Michael Jordan had the flu game. The Knicks had the woo game. You know, so they came back from halftime. Method man got them all inspired.

[00:02:21] And the Spurs couldn't handle, in case nobody in San Antonio ever knew, you'd have learned now. Wu-Tang Clan ain't nothing to fuck with. Protect your neck. What happened, Mr. Logical? Oh, man. So I had to take a sip of my little liquid death here. Dr. Pepper flavor one.

[00:02:44] Yo, honestly, the lights might have gotten too bright. And I believe the energy on the San Antonio bench started to shift when the Knicks made the run. We have the history. They had five 20-point comebacks in the last two postseasons.

[00:03:09] Two of them this season in the fourth quarter being down 22 or more. They did it against Cleveland, both at home. And then, obviously, they were down 20 with 937 left or something like that. That score was 95-75. So even at that point, I was like, okay. It was a valiant try. But, you know, pause. I thought they blew their load to get it down to, like, 19. And then San Antonio came right back up.

[00:03:39] Charles Barkley talked about it. He called it stupid. I'm not going to be that way because I'm like, I didn't play the game. So I'm not going to be, you know, one of these pundits out here like, oh, that's so stupid. That's so stupid. I will. They shot way too many threes when they could have just taken it to the cup and probably got fouled. They were getting a lot of foul calls. You know, we talked about the favorability of the whistle that went their way.

[00:04:03] But just the aggressive comeback energy that the Knicks were going to exert, you were probably going to get a lot of, like, foul calls. So just overly aggressive Josh Hart trying to go for the block, just guys desperate to get the ball back and desperate to keep the ball out of the hoop. You're probably going to get, you know, some foul calls. You work 16, 17 seconds off the clock starting in the third quarter. Run your offense. Work your pick and roll.

[00:04:33] Run all your action and then get someone going towards the hoop. They were taking, like, three 17 seconds in the shot clock, 14 seconds. They were getting the offensive rebound, putting another three back up. It's just that they played the game, like I said last week with Wendy. I think the dagger three he hit to tie the game up in the OKC from long range that looked a lot like the one that Steph hit about nine years ago.

[00:05:02] Not about 10 years ago at this point in OKC. I think he's creating the moment in his head and trying to create it on the floor when you don't need to. Because he's done it a few times where it's like, oh, this is going to be the shot that breaks their back. And then it doesn't go in. And now OG and Josh Hart are running. And it's a layup. Now the lead is 21, 19, 17. Timeout.

[00:05:31] Now the lead, another 5-0, 6-0 run. Now the lead's 11. Next possession. Cat comes down. Big dogs. I'm on the baseline. Now the lead is nine. Now the game is within reach. Once it got to nine, once it got to nine and you're thinking, oh, we get a stop at six. Oh, we get a stop again at three. Once the Knicks started thinking like that, it was over. The Spurs were playing well after it got to that point. It's just the Knicks were like, man, it's nothing you can do.

[00:06:01] You catching this jab. I'm getting this jab through no matter what. You can try how you want. But I'm like, I'm so confident with what we're doing. I think that's what happened. Well, you know what? That's why this show works because you're not going to be that guy. So allow me to be that guy. So look, first and foremost, right? Mr. Logical was talking about the whistle. And again, the Spurs did get the whistle. Besides when Steph Castle wasn't out of Browns. Besides when OG fouled De'Aaron Fox, whatever.

[00:06:31] But anyway, Cat got two fouls very quickly. The second one was bogus. He didn't play in the first half. He didn't play what? I'd say 80% of the first half. And that still might be generous. It might be closer to 90. So riddle me this. If Cat was on the bench for 90% of the first half, why the hell did Wimby play 44 minutes? That's number one.

[00:06:59] I didn't know that until somebody else mentioned that. I'm like, why? He's like, how is he playing 44 minutes at any point when you're up? Right. When you hit 18, I'm keeping them on the bench until they get it denied. Well, especially when the thing that I've been mostly talking about this year is his minutes restriction. So a lot of this is deep waters for him. I know you always get the, hey, he's 22. He's young. He's OK.

[00:07:27] But this is his first time playing this level of minutes. You got to find a way to manicure that to where you're, especially in a game like that. Like you said, the moment they were up 18 or 20, he should have got a five-minute minimum break. You know what I mean? At the very least. Because then you got commercials in there too. Right. So then the second thing was, I go, all right, me and Mr. Logical did this show. We talked about the things that Mitch Johnson did in game one.

[00:07:55] You know, we talked about the things he did in game two. And I'm sitting there and I'm like, why is Dylan Harper still not getting touches late in the game? You know what I'm saying? Because like looking back at it, he was in the game, but they didn't necessarily get him shots. He was 8 of 12. And it goes back to what we were talking about the other night. I said, Mr. Logical, in this playoff run, we haven't seen Wembanyama put together back-to-back games yet. He went 9 for 25. 5.

[00:08:25] And he missed those free throws. He went 3 for like 14, something like that in the second half. Yeah, he went 2 for 8 from 3 overall, yeah. I think he missed like 11 shots in a row. And it was like, how are you missing 11 shots in a row when you just get to the paint? He don't want to. Honestly, you don't have to get to the paint. Just catch it in a dunker spot. And just a little baby hook. So then.

[00:08:53] Literally just palm it and just do that. So then it brought me to a couple of weeks ago. We were having a conversation. And I said, damn. If you're the Sacramento Kings, you've got to feel like shit. Because you've got Mike Brown. And then you've got De'Aaron Fox. And then it triggered me. Because I was like, hey. Mike Brown got fired right after he criticized De'Aaron Fox for messing up late in the game. Or it was like the last second of the game. He followed Jaden Ivey on a three-pointer.

[00:09:23] Jaden Ivey made it and hit the free throw. They lost 5-1. He goes to the press conference and calls out De'Aaron. He gets fired. Then De'Aaron's like, yeah, Sacramento, they didn't have my back because the media was saying that I was behind Mike getting fired. And he's like, I still talk to Mike every week. And so that's why he wanted out of Sacramento because they didn't have his back. They levered the responsibility on him. Right.

[00:09:52] So it wasn't just the layup for me, right? Obviously, I think OG followed him. But whatever. You still don't even take that shot anywhere. You dribble the ball. You know what I mean? But on top of that, and I didn't catch it in real time because, you know, we were watching the game. You know, Denon was watching the game with me. He don't generally watch sports. He goes, why did De'Aaron Fox – why did they foul there? And I was like, well, they had a foul to give.

[00:10:22] But I had to go back. I had to rewind because I was like, hold up. That was almost a backcourt violation. So, like, this bailed him out. I don't know. I know. I know. I know. But he still bailed him out because it was like – you know what I mean? Like, it was still out of – like, the play was – the play still had the potential to get out of control. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Because he was trying to – And the foul to give didn't make any sense either because I think New York still had a timeout. They did.

[00:10:52] And I don't – I don't think down one – well, you never know. Like, if you're Mike Brown, do you have a go-to play call singular word that you can scream from the sideline in that moment? Like, if it's something that's like – if they just call it Jalen Iso, just something even that simple.

[00:11:18] Like, if you have something that simple where everybody that's on the floor knows, get it to Jalen and get here. But I just doubt that would have happened. I think they would have ended up calling a timeout anyway. Alvarado, I thought it was a backcourt. But the rules – I saw a couple of breakdowns. The ball was still in the front court. I mean, yeah. Yeah. So, his feet were over. He would have kept going.

[00:11:48] Like, I think just all the momentum because he was going to get trapped by Fox and Castle. If any – if I – if anybody on the floor other than Wimby is my help defense in that situation, if I'm De'Aaron Fox, it's Castle. Like, if I can't get Wimby over here into this trap on the base – on the sideline and a half court with a six-foot-tall point guard, I want Castle. Six-six ball – tall, tough guy.

[00:12:18] Like, we could get this ball from him. But I think just instinctively, like, the veteran thing is just let's get the foul so we can set up our defense. So, there's always, you know, conventional – Well – It probably would have been go for the steal because we have – I think we have the advantage here. But I don't know if he knew that it was Castle right there. I think he just was watching Alvarado bring the ball up and was like, I got to do this. But, like, Castle was ready to trap him on the sideline.

[00:12:46] So, I don't know if Jalen Brunson had a high IQ or if he just made a split-second decision. But then that brings – yeah, that brings me to the next point. You know, on the inbound, before they even inbounded the ball, Wimby and Fox were – Well, Wimby and Fox were like, hey, you – hey, hey, hey, you go – no, you go there. No, you go there. And then Jalen Brunson gets the ball and Wimby comes out and he takes that shot.

[00:13:14] And, you know, Lindsey's like, what? And I was like, there's nobody down there that's bigger than six-six. You know what I mean? So, the Knicks are getting that rebound. So, like, I don't know if that was a decision where he saw Wimby and he just said, Wimby's not down there. Yeah. I think the shot was – I think it was like, hey. Because it's not like he was right behind the three-point line. Yeah. We're up 2-1. I got to get this ball off.

[00:13:42] Like, you can't have a tragic Johnson moment or just trying to get the best shot. He was like, I have – the guy guarding me, Wimby, is coming out from inside the three-point line. Darren Fox is coming to help. He was like, I'm going to just shoot this shot because I think I'm open. It's far, but I have enough space to see – get a good look at this shot. Let it go.

[00:14:10] Because the last thing you want is to dribble it out. And now you're dribbling and you're shooting a fallaway bad shot. I think he was in rhythm. He stepped into the shot. It was far, but guys are shooting from that far all the time now, 28, 30 feet. There was nobody there to get the rebound. But I don't even think he was thinking about the rebound. I think he was like, I'm not going to create an opportunity to get a better shot and less than – because I think they inbounded the ball with 5.77. Yeah, about 5.77. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:14:39] It was like, I have one dribble. Wimby's not here. De'Aaron's not getting here. I have a clear look at the basket. I'm letting it go. Well, no, I'm not meaning it that way. You're thinking like he was thinking that they were going to get the rebound no matter what. Well, yeah, just from the standpoint of like, hey – because generally speaking, right, you try to hold the ball for the last shot, last second, get the buzzer beater. But if I'm going to miss the shot, we got to try to get the rebound.

[00:15:09] If we can't get the rebound, we still have time to follow them. The only person that they boxed out was Cat. Yeah. Cat was the only dude that was trying to get up. Everybody else was in there. I think Josh Hart was in the air. Obviously, OG was in the air. And Cat got his hand on that – the inbound, you know, after that. This is something else I thought. I thought the clock was supposed to start when somebody on the court touches the ball. Right?

[00:15:38] So as soon as it's inbounded and he touches it – Yeah, that's why I'm rolling. Yeah. Yeah. So if it was slightly touched and then, you know, it actually got through and the castle would have, like, scored, could you review if the clock should have started or not? That's something I was thinking about. But it was going to be a win. And it was going to be – there were going to be two of the best NBA finals at the rim plays in the history of the NBA finals if Cat doesn't tip that ball.

[00:16:08] Because Castle was dunking that ball. Yeah. That pass was online. It was. Josh Hart was probably still thinking about the foul he committed and the layup he missed, and he kind of fell asleep. It was going to be the ultimate high and the ultimate heartbreak in the garden if it wasn't – And that's why – and that's why for me, right, for me, there were two moments where the game really swung. Like, obviously – because usually when you see a comeback like this,

[00:16:35] you think, oh, this team must have been lightened it up from three or this team – no, it was none of that. A 23-2 run at some point. Right. But it still wasn't like they were on fire and it's like – like Reggie Miller, right, against the Knicks and the guard. It wasn't like that. It was just like the Spurs just can't score. So then, you know, where it first swung for me was the flagrant.

[00:17:03] And I was like, yo, Whitney just got to get suspended at this point. I'm just sticking his shit. You know what I mean? So that happened, right? And then I was like, ooh, momentum. But then when Harper shot the air ball, that's when I was like, ooh, this is – The crowd got – the crowd got into it. Yeah, that's when I knew. That's when I had the feeling. But then Josh Hart missed the layup. And I was like, that's so New York. I was like, that is so New York. That is so dick. That's Patrick Ewing. Yeah, that is so dick. And you know what I mean?

[00:17:33] That's Patrick Ewing at the rim. So – but I still don't think – and I'm not saying this just because I picked the Spurs to win. I still don't think it's over. No, I still don't think it's over. You know what I'm saying? The series should have been over, right? The Spurs should have won. The Spurs should have swept this series. They had double-digit leads. I think every first quarter. Yep. And two of the four – Second half, yeah. Yeah, two of the four second halves to include – I think each one of those were in the fourth quarter. Yeah.

[00:17:59] So they've literally had the best games and lost – three of their best games they lost. Well, what I like, though, what I like – because, you know, I was talking about SGA at the Western Conference Finals Game 7 where I was like, his mood never changes. Like, he just – No, possible. Right. So with the Spurs walking off the court, you know, I felt just watching them,

[00:18:29] they didn't look dejected. They didn't look like, oh, damn. Maybe it didn't hit them yet, but they didn't have that look like, oh, we messed up. They just kind of had that look like, all right, guess we got to get back to work. And, you know, and I'm adding – and I'm adding Kelton Johnson to my Harrison Barnes list where, like, no more. Like, no more of you. You're done here. We don't need your services anymore. You're done here. And, you know, but as I was looking at it, Mr. Loddickle, I was like,

[00:19:02] everything is still in play that I was talking about, right? Because I talked about Game 3, how the Knicks fans were ready to, like, put the crown on that night. You know, said it came out Game 4, looked how they looked. The Spurs just messed it up. So now they're coming back down here tomorrow. If the Spurs win tomorrow, you got to wait all the way to Tuesday. You know what I'm saying? Oh, the Knicks are coming home to close this out.

[00:19:31] We're wrapping it up in the garden. Everybody's going to be there. And then you get Game 3 potentially all over again. As far as the pressure, I'm not talking about the X's and O's, but, like, the actual pressure walking into that building that night, spiking them ready to party. Fat Joe is ready to party. You know what I mean? I like your optimism here, but this is a thing that I'm going – I think I might be able – not necessarily sway you with. No, the Spurs aren't going to win the series. I'm not going to go there. No, no, no, no. I'm talking about for Game 5.

[00:20:01] Just Game 5. Okay, okay, go ahead. A particular set about Game 5. Games 3 and 4 are probably the two most expensive basketball games in human history, if we had to guess. I can't imagine. Oh, the Knicks fans in the building. The Knicks fans have purchased 54% of the tickets for the San Antonio game. Reason being, it's like $3,000 to fly from New York, stay in San Antonio for a couple days, get a ticket to the game. That wouldn't even get you in the building in Madison Square Garden,

[00:20:31] so people are flying down. So it's going to be more comfortable because those are like your hardcore fans. Like the Wall Street guy isn't flying to San Antonio because he's like, I see them in the Garden Game 4. I don't need to fly down to San Antonio. But the father-son-Nick fan duo, the 65-year-old son, the 65-year-old dad, 40-year-old son, they are flying down.

[00:21:00] They're taking maybe one or two of the kids with them. So they might spend $6,000, $7,000, $8,000 to get down there and get all those tickets because it's worth it. They're not going to spend $25,000 to go to the Garden. But they could do this whole trip for three of them, probably for less than five, five or six. So you're going to get the fans that were at the watch parties outside, they're going to be inside of the building in San Antonio. That's going to be a totally different vibe.

[00:21:28] That's a totally different energy. But I think that helps the Spurs. I don't think so. I think it helps them because – so this is my – Those are the – but those are like – I mean, we talk about – like I said, I jumped on the Knicks when I picked them recently, like last few weeks. Right, right, right, right. Imagine being my age and you're from New York City and you've been a Knicks fan forever and like you and – what is it? 18,000 people that go to like the Enfrost Bank Arena, 18 to 20,000. Yeah.

[00:21:58] Imagine 9,000, 10,000 New York Knicks fans from New York. That's what I'm saying. I think that helps the Knicks. In San Antonio. I mean, I think that helps the Spurs. I think that helps the Spurs. So this is my thought behind it. Because I don't think the real fans were in the building game three. Well, no. They lowered the ticket prices for game four. No, I do think that – So more people can get more people in. No, I do think that it helps the Knicks. But I think it helps the Spurs because like when I think about this, right, so you had games one and two here.

[00:22:26] You know, they had just – here comes the word of the day. They had just vanquished the defending champions, right? I like that. So we talked about it, right? Wimby was on his super high. You know, he thought they won the championship already. So game one, they got shot. Game two, they lost in a heartbreak. So when they went to New York, it was house money. You know, that was the whole Knick pressure I was talking about. So game three happens. They get the win. Game four comes out. They're ready to rock and roll.

[00:22:56] Now, you come back here. Theoretically speaking, if everything was just regular, you know, Frost Bank is going crazy. These Spurs fans going nuts. But now the pressure has transferred over to you because now your season is on the line. You know what I mean? So to what you're talking about, with the Knick fans coming and taking over and being loud, it doesn't necessarily feel like you're at home. Like it feels like you're at Madison Square life. And I think that's what they relished.

[00:23:25] I think that's what they relished was being on the road. They were, like I said, the game three that they won in Madison Square Garden, they weren't, it wasn't like an overwhelming amount of really loud Knick fans. It was a lot of New York fans. I don't think it matters. I don't think it matters. It wasn't like, what'd you say, 54% of the tickets? 54% of the tickets? Yeah, but think about it this way. The Spurs, like you say, like your point is valid.

[00:23:55] I'm not trying to disregard your point. Your point is valid. Like it wasn't the traditional Knick fans that we're used to. But it wasn't like. Like they were even standing up. No, I know. But it wasn't like it was 30% Spurs fans there. It might as well have been. If you're not going to be a. If you are a New York sports fan. And that shit was loud enough on TV to me. If you're a New York sports fan, there's like. It's certain fans, Philly, New York. Texas. Boston.

[00:24:25] SEC football fans. It's a different energy level. That you expect. Like if energy is measured from one to ten. You know off the rip. LSU, Alabama. Schools like Clemson. New York Knicks. Whatever. They're at eight. Upon entry. In the hallway. Like outside. Behind the nuts. Outside of Madison Square Garden. They're already on eight. So when you get them in the building. You get on ten. But when the tickets were $12,000.

[00:24:54] For most of the section. You're not getting those type of rabbit fans. And so even when they got loud. If you did have some of those fans. It was people like. Yo sit down. Calm down. It was like a very calm. That's why they dropped the price. Right. They tried to get. To get the regular people back in. Yeah. So even if they only got like. Even if they got like maybe. Say they dropped that price. And they got 4,000 more people. Who wouldn't pay 12,000. But they were able to spend 3,300 or 35. That changes in an arena that size. So I think.

[00:25:24] Even with that being said though. But even with that being said. Like it's still. You still got to play the game. It was still louder. It was still louder than the two games at Frost Bank was. Even with that being said. Yo. Those Knicks fans. They were wearing the Spurs shirts. And ripping them off. It was crazy. So the scene is going to be even crazier. In San Antonio. And you talking about the pressure. I don't think Mitch Johnson is doing a bad job. He is. I just think he's having.

[00:25:54] He's having. He's having bad moments. He's getting his pants pulled down. But a lot of. A lot of coaches. And a lot of. We see this happen to play out a lot. Where. You'll have that. Blunder. But it just. Doesn't work against you all the way. Like. The team doesn't come back. You know. You have. Like. Golden State. 2018. 2018. Versus like. Like. All you had is LeBron. To really guard. And it was like. Yo. You guys can't lose this game one. And then J.R.

[00:26:24] Smith makes the play. And then you go into overtime. And then you win about. J.R. Fox. Yeah. So then. You. You. You. You take the deep breath. You go into overtime. And then you make. You make the adjustment. And you win the game. That just hasn't happened for them. In this series. But to your point. Right. The Spurs still came out. With a 29 point lead. Even with. You know. How crazy. You're saying that. Game four was the real dick fans. They still went up 29.

[00:26:54] Yeah. Because they went 14 for 20 from three. And then. One. One for 100. In the second half. All right. So. So. So hold on. The Spurs had the 29 point lead. Right. Yeah. How many threes. Do you think San Antonio attempted in that game? Total. Yeah. So. 20 in the first half. I'm going to say about. 38 to 42. 43. They had a 29 point lead.

[00:27:24] How many did the Knicks take? Probably. 24. 32. So. You had a 29 point lead. And you still. Ended up with 11 more point. Or 11 more three point attempts. More three point attempts. Than a team that came back from 29 on you. That's coaching. And. I didn't. Yeah. The coaching should have been like. Yo. Take it to the cup. But this is the other part. I thought it was over. I thought it was over at halftime. Like. But this is. But this is the other part.

[00:27:54] It happened. Whatever it happened. When he tipped it in. With 1.2 seconds left. I thought it was over. Because I was having a conversation with a. A Spurs fan at halftime. And I remember exactly. Like what he said to me. Let me see if I can find it. And then while you're finding that. I'm going to say this one thing real quick. But that's. But that's the other part of it. Right. Is that. You know. These young coaches. And the same thing happened with Darvin Ham. When he was with the Lakers. You know. They. They're so dependent on their rotations. You know. So like.

[00:28:24] So. So Mitch is going to keep Keldon in there. Regardless of how effective he is. You know. And you know. Whereas Mike Brown. Made a bold. What some would say. I think a bold decision. He took Mikael Bridges out. And then let Alvarado. Finish the last seven or eight minutes of that game. You know. Say. If Mitch Johnson would have done something like that. The Spurs might have won that game. But he was so stuck in his pattern. That he wanted. He did his Joe Missoula impersonation. Like. Oh.

[00:28:53] Just go out there and shoot some more threes. They'll fall eventually. Yeah. Because I said to them. I was like. Yo. He was like. They'll get it down to like. He said. They'll get it down to. Like 16. I was like. Nah. Like. I think they might get it down to 22. And then the Spurs ramped back up. He was like. You never know. It was like. He was like. He said. I could see that. I could see the Knicks bringing it within 10. I'm like. And that was a gif of Jerry Seinfeld saying.

[00:29:24] I tell you. I don't see that happening. So it was funny. Because he was courtside. And he's like. I've seen it too many times. I'm like. Nah. Player. I'm like. Claim this blowout. And then. After that. I stopped texting. I just. Was doing some other random stuff. Watching the game. Clean up my kitchen. And I was just watching the score. Kind of come down. And I was like. All right. This will be all right. But I think the point. I knew. They were going to win. Is when.

[00:29:54] Granted. This sounds like. Cheap. But when it was. Cut to four. I think Alvarado hit the three. To cut it from seven to four. And then when Brunson. Came right back down. And hit the three. To cut it to one. I was like. Yeah. This is it. Like. They're going to find a way. To win this game. Because it's like. Having it. Having it there. It's like. It just. The wind. You're talking about the wind. Out of your sails. If you're the Spurs. I can't. I can't see them. I couldn't see them. In that game.

[00:30:24] Once it went to 104-103. Winning. I just felt like. It was. They. They did everything they could. To hold this team off. And they just didn't do it. Jalen Brunson hit. Every tough layup. That he could hit. Cat got every. Offensive. Well. Josh Hart got almost every. Tough rebound. Defensively on. On the end. Alvarado made. Every. Every smart play. You can make. The spin. Crossover move. In the lane. That faked.

[00:30:53] Wimby out. Because Wimby had just given up. The three to Cat. In the corner. So. I think Wimby. Like listen. I'd rather give. Cat. That open three. Versus. Alvarado. Who's crafty. Around the hoop. And Alvarado hit him. With the little spin move. He seen Wimby jump out. He crossed it back over. Layup. So I was like. Yeah. They were all over the place. I think they were thinking about the previous play. Instead of playing the play that was in front of him. And every single time. It got him out of place. That's why De'Aaron Fox.

[00:31:23] Crashed. To double. Jalen Brunson. Because. Every time that they. Were doubling Jalen Brunson. He was having to give the ball up. But in that instance. There was no reason for him to give the ball up. So De'Aaron Fox was just. Playing to the plays that they were playing. Before. And not playing like. Yo this is a situation. We saw it with Detroit and San Antonio. Back in 2005. When. Robert Ory. Inbounded the ball.

[00:31:52] Rasheed Wallace went to help. They kicked it back to Robert Ory. He hit the three. It's like. The most dangerous guy on that pass. Is the inbounder. Is the inbounder. Yeah. But like. I think that. If you're the Spurs though. You've got to be absolutely sick though. Because. Jalen Brunson. Jalen Brunson. 30 of 81. You know what I mean. And. They were down 2-1.

[00:32:22] In this game. They lose. Not only the 29 point lead. Cat had five points. In like four fouls. And they lost that game. Like you have to absolutely feel sick. And. And you know. What do you think about that. Goalton. Slash not goalton. The one. The Cornette one. They. I guess they viewed it as a. Pass attempt. That's what I thought of it as. By the way that. Like. I think that. Went up. Right.

[00:32:51] But I think. I think he was trying to. Like after I watched it a few times. I think he was shooting. And I think Mitch just read it wrong. And went for it. Yeah. It's. It's. It's always. I don't hear no Nick fans. Talking about Castle. Not going out of bounds though. I. I thought he stepped out of bounds. Everyone was so adamant. The dudes on the baseline. Everyone was so adamant. I don't hear no Nick fans. Talking about OG fouling Fox. All I heard about is how.

[00:33:21] The refs are helping. All I heard about. Is how the refs are helping. And I thought about. And I thought about you. When. When I saw it happen. I was talking to the guy. I'm like. There's not a ref. In the NBA. That's calling that foul. In that moment. Then take his whistle. And I knew. And that's what I knew. You're going to say. But it's like. We know. It's a foul. Like. You know what I mean? Like. It's your job. To call a foul. Tom. When Tom Brady. Through that. Tom Brady.

[00:33:50] Through that Hail Mary. In the Philadelphia Eagles game. The Philly special game. They pulled. Gronkowski down. By both shoulder pads. On that. And they shot. Through the flag. Not a ref in the league. Is throwing that flag. I know. That's what's wrong with sports. I get it. We. It's. It's a variable. That we are willing to accept. Because. It's. It's not an anomaly. I'm not willing to accept it. It never happens. You. And that's right. Spurs is still up one.

[00:34:22] For this. I. Remember. I prefaced my statement. After the game three. I was like. Listen. I'm not going to blame the rest. Because. The Knicks played. Terrible. In game. Three. They played terrible. They had so many bad turnovers. I just didn't like the obvious. Like. Flavor. Like. Like. The Jalen Brunson. When he was being pushed. At the same time. Cat was being tackled. And it's like. That's where the action is. And I see if it's on the back side.

[00:34:51] If you missed something. But like. The action was where the ball was. Like. That was like a triangle. Of like. The two stars. And the guy with the ball in his hand. Trying to get him. Either one of them. And they were both being fouled. One was egregious. And it never got. And it didn't get called. The Spurs were getting a lot of calls. And I think. They forgot. That they were getting those calls. And started shooting the three. Because they were going to. They were going to. Like I said. They were going to get those calls. Because either. Either they were going to. It was going to be close.

[00:35:21] And maybe it was going to be a foul. But I'm like. Ultimately. The Knicks were going to be. Desperately. Swiping out the ball. In the paint. Trying to get every block. They went down to their third center. So they were going to. They were trying. Well no. They were good to go. Wimby just missed the free throws. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. Like throughout. Like throughout the game. Like without shooting. Without shooting those threes. So. Wimby Jordan hits free throws. The Spurs are 2-2. But they still were up three. That's still like. And then. Like I said.

[00:35:50] OG was 7-9 from three. Even if they were up three after that. You can. Kind of bank on. That they were going to get a good look. At three. Because of the way. That they were kind of overplaying the defense. And shout out to. Like I said. Mike Brown putting out a Rado win. Because it was like. I got another ball handler in the game. That can handle. First of all. He can handle New York City. He's from there. And he can handle. Like the moment. Because it's like. He knew he could beat. Whoever was guarding him off the dribble. Because you can't trap.

[00:36:21] You can't trap both of them. Equally as aggressively. Because it's like. There's not enough space on the floor. Like you can't get. Two guys to Jose. And then he gets to the jail. And then you get two guys there. And just leave guys. It's just. It was impossible. And I think that was a smart move. Because McBride. Was the guy. But he just hasn't been hitting his shot. So I think it just was. It was. It was a coaching. I think. That coaching move. Changed. How the game was going to play out. Versus Miss Johnson. Where. I think he's getting a lot of heat.

[00:36:51] But. You know. Popovich had Tim Duncan out of the game. After. You know. Before the Ray Allen shot. Like. It happens. You make these moves. And it happens. Sometimes. No. It doesn't work out in your favor. No. It's still LeBron. It's still LeBron. Yeah. LeBron's block is still it. It was game seven. Chase down. And it was. There you go. It's foul. That's right. All right. So real quick. And I promise. Brad. I promise. I promise.

[00:37:19] I promise on everything I love. This is not a Falcons joke. But did that game. Did that game remind you of anything? Well. No. It doesn't remind me of the Falcons. But I was going to go somewhere else with it. I know. Not the Kobe one. Not Kobe and the Celtics. Because that was. That was still the first time. No. Not basketball. Still football. I mean. Other than the Super Bowl. That's about it.

[00:37:48] That took me to the AFC Championship game. Buffalo against the Oilers. That's where I went with it. The 35 to 3 lead. 35 to 3. You know. The quarterback. You know. Get hurt. On some hero. Comes in. And that's what I thought of. Like. I was just like. Wow. I think. I think Andrew Luck had. Mike knew. He had one of those. Like Andrew Luck had a game like that against the Chiefs. Because my dad's a Colts fan. I thought that game was over too. And they made the comeback.

[00:38:19] I think. No. 28 to 3. 28 to 3. Is still probably. Worse than this one. Because. It's a one game scenario. It's a one game scenario. It's final. And in football. You have a greater opportunity. To manipulate the clock. To your advantage. Versus basketball. You've got to. Basketball. You've got to shoot the ball. You have to be in the moment. 24 seconds. But for me.

[00:38:49] In the moment. Because I was deployed. It was my last deployment. When I was watching this. So it's like 6 in the morning. Everybody else went to sleep. And as they were walking out the tent. I said. Don't go to sleep. Like. This is Tom Brady. I never thought the Patriots. Were out of that game. I was just like. A player two. That's Tom Brady. Like I didn't. But with this game. Most upset ever. But with this game. With this game. You know. Saying. You know. They went into halftime. With 76 points.

[00:39:18] I was like. Bro. The Spurs. Like. They can't blow this. Like. I literally thought it was damn near impossible. I thought the final score. Was going to be somewhere. We're in the ballpark. To like. 135. 116. I thought it was just going to be one of those games. Where. The. The. I said. 110 to 99. I said 110 to 99. At the final. I just thought. Like. I thought the third quarter. Thank you. I thought the third quarter.

[00:39:49] The. Dylan Harper. Champagny. I thought those guys. Get Champagny out of here too. I thought they were going to come back out. Still keep shooting the three. Shooting it with confidence. Because. You think about it. I heard. I heard. A guy on a podcast the other day. Basically saying. Like. If you see an NBA player. And he goes to an open run. And they shoot about. If they shoot 40% from three. In the league. In an open run. They probably will go eight for 10. Just because it's like.

[00:40:18] This is what I do. Is basically shoot around. And I thought that. The. The Knicks were going to have to play so aggressive. That they were going to get good looks. And guys weren't going to be shy about it. Because like. Yeah. I just knocked down three or four these in the first half. I might just come right back out. And knock these. So. I thought those shots were going to fall. Just because you have such a cushion. But then the Knicks ran off like 10 in a row. I know. Quickly. I didn't see Taylor Swift that much. But I was also like. I did.

[00:40:48] And like going back and forth. From the kitchen to my living room. I saw her way more than I have any business seeing her. I don't want to see her anymore. I see Mariska Harden say. Way more. Like when she was staying on the court. Like looking for somebody. I know. She was just like. She was looking for Jalen. But like Jalen wasn't doing all that. She was just like looking around. So she's grab OG. But yeah. I saw them all. You know. Saying Chris Rock. Nas was out there. Like the whole team was out there. How about Kat calling the fans over though? You see that? That was a great move.

[00:41:18] That was a great move. Veteran. That's veteran. Veteran move. OG in the press conference. Like yeah. We're all really excited. And everyone's like. So OG got to be the finals MVP now. Right? OG? Yeah. I think it's still going to be Jalen. So I think he's the strongest third of the dream. And I just feel like. Even in his. Quote unquote. Bad games. His clutch. It's. I don't want to say it's Jalen Brown. Jason Tatum.

[00:41:48] Because I thought it was a little bit more. But I thought. Jalen Brown's defensive. Effort. On a few plays. In the fourth. Like to stop the bleeding against Dallas. I thought that was like the push. I think. Jalen. Just never looks like. He's not the guy. You know what I mean? Like he just. Even if. Like you run out of stats. For me every single time. It's like up 30 to 81. 21 to 61. Like. You hit the stats. But like.

[00:42:17] When you look at the stats. And then you look at him with the ball in his hand. In the fourth quarter. It doesn't match up. And then at the end of the game. He has his 30 points. He has 28 points. He has the assist. He has the big. He has the big shots. Where they need. Where they're down nine. He gets to the seven. Comes back. Gets to and one. Gets to the four. Like he. He has those plays. And then that allows other guys to come in. Alvarado to hit the three. From the corner. OG to. To be open.

[00:42:47] Granted. OG had to do his part. He can go seven for nine. I just think that. The way that they are attacking. Jalen defensively. And he's still kind of battling through. I think that's the piece. Yo. Y'all laughed at me. When I said. Cat was going to be a major. Contributing factor. In this finals. Rez got. He was like. Yo. We talk about quality talents. I'm like. Yeah. But. I think his role is different. I think when you have a guy. That. You expect to be a. 28.

[00:43:17] 10. And seven guy. Because he's so big. And versatile. But then he's only giving you. 23. And 11. And four. You think that's subpar. What a Knicks. Well. How about you give us. 17. 12. And seven. Can you do that? Can you. Can you. Can we work the offense to you? Can we get. You to stretch the floor. So. A guy like Wimby. Has to guard you. That's the difference. Because every time. Wimby has to be. Anywhere near. 20. 22 feet. If he's. If he's at.

[00:43:48] Anywhere between. 20 to 22 feet. Or on the bench. The Knicks are at the rim. And hey. Part of that. Part of that. Because of Cat. Just in case. You're still keeping count. We're at 42. For 106. For Jill and Brunson. But OG has a great case. I put my money on Cat. After game two. I put like 20 bucks on it. He's only like 57. Because I thought game three. He was going to come out. And have that. He was going to have that game. When he knocked down four.

[00:44:17] Or five threes. I just felt like. That was going to be like. The game. Game three. And it shouldn't happen. So come draft night. Or sometime. You know. Did De'Aaron Fox. Just sign his trade papers. If he's not. Owing a lot of money. Oh he is. He signed a 229 million dollar deal. He's due 60 next year. How many years left on it? He just signed it? Yeah. He just signed it.

[00:44:48] Who's yours. You got to find a sucker in the room. You can. 24 years. 229. And it goes through 2030. I saw. At the beginning of the year. It was like. Giannis watch. Beginning of the year. It was like. I think it was Bill Simmons. Or something like that. And he was talking. He's like. The San Antonio Spurs team. Is like. So fortunate. Because of the young talent. That they have. Mixed with the veterans. Because.

[00:45:17] De'Aaron Fox eventually. Was going to have to like. Because you can't. You weren't going to sign him. To another deal. So to have him for. Like at this point. This conversation was like. Maybe three or four months ago. It was like. He can be the mentor. This year. Probably next year. And then after that. He will be gone. But you'll be in good hands. Because you have. Castle Vassell. And Dylan Harper. All your rookies. That you drafted. It will like. Worked out. But that was kind of. Giving you a couple of years. For that.

[00:45:46] The money to work out. I'm not sure. There's a 60 million dollar. Trade partner. Portland. Might be. That cheap owner though. You try to save a million dollars. And he's worth 4.5 billion. So it's like. This equivalent. Try to save a hundred dollars. When you have. 40. 45. I know they still. Portland still don't even have a coach yet. You don't want to bring back. Tiago Splinter.

[00:46:18] Orlando. The assistant coach is going to Orlando. Because I think. I think more teams. The traditional point guards. Maybe. Maybe Memphis. Maybe Memphis. Yeah. They're going to have to probably replace Ja. Yeah. So like. Somebody who needs. A traditional point guard. With. Combo. Guard. Skills. Because people forget. Game three. That jumper. That.

[00:46:48] De'Aaron Fox hit. That put. Put. Put. The lead to five. Five. That's probably why they're still even. Playing basketball. Because like I said. I feel like the Knicks. Just are playing. With a. At a level where like. That shot's going in. No matter who's shooting it. In those last few seconds. So he doesn't knock down that jumper. I think the Knicks. Tie it up in game three. And winning in overtime. And then come out. And then we see the result. Game four. And the city goes up in flames. And it's going to be great. But. So like I think.

[00:47:17] This is how quickly people forget. Like he did make. He made a lot of plays. Hell. He had a couple of threes. During that stretch. When they were going back and forth. To put him up seven. So. Yeah. He had a couple of bad turnovers. But. Jalen Brown had some bad turnovers. Cat had a couple of bad fouls. It just happens. The only thing that sucks for De'Aaron Fox. Is that. There is a. Proverbial better option. That wasn't getting his opportunity. So it looks like. Oh. So. You are getting in somebody else's way. You're not.

[00:47:47] There's no one on a team. That you can take Jalen Brunson off the floor. And replace him. And keep it moving. That's. I think that's. I think that's why it looks so glaring. And then just in case you were tracking. De'Aaron Fox. In this series. 21 of 55. So look. I don't think anybody's shooting well. Like what was the highest total? One. Was it 118? 118. 115. Yeah. Wimby. Wimby's only shooting 44%. You know what I mean? In this series.

[00:48:17] And he's fucking seven foot five. You know what I'm saying? Which is just disgusting and disrespectful to the game of basketball. Oh no. Did you notice that he was guarding Alvarado? Yes. I was like. How was that happening? Well that's what they do. Like they. Like. Like they have him on Josh Hart. Like against OKC. They had him on Caruso. You know. And that way he can kind of roam. And just do his own thing. That's what OKC was doing with Chet. You know what I'm saying? Chet was just being a punk. Yeah. It doesn't.

[00:48:47] The Chet matchup makes sense. Because they are. You know. They're two sides of the same coin. But when I seen. When I. No. But that's why they needed to guard each other. But Chet was. I was like. Is he. But I'm like. Is Wimpy guarding Alvarado? Yeah. That's why. That's why he was so wide open. Yeah. So. You know. But yeah. So. They have to make some adjustments. But I just. I don't know. I think he's a great team of destiny. I'm going to keep. I'm going to keep hope alive. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? I'm still saying that we're going to go seven.

[00:49:17] You know what I'm saying? But I think the Knicks win it in seven. So. You know. We'll see. But Mr. Logical. Let's hear it. I've been wanting to have fun. You know what I'm saying? Hopefully you enjoy this Mike and Rez. You know what I'm saying? All y'all out there. This is a fun conversation. So Mr. Logical. Caught Bill Simmons having a conversation. That seemed kind of interesting. And. Obviously the Knicks winning the title. Would be a very, very, very big deal. Just in the world of sports.

[00:49:47] But who else. Has that kind of cachet. That if they won a championship. It would be somewhere. At least close. It will probably won't. Bigger. The level of the nature. Bigger than their sport. It'd be like. It'd be. Yeah. Earthquake type of an event. Yeah. So go ahead. I'll let you start it off. Since it's your topic. My first one. And the spirit of FIFA. That I've been shitting off. Like last month. Oh. Don't you do this. Don't you do this. Oh my God.

[00:50:17] Listen to me now. Honestly. Check it out. This is crazy shit. I thought about it. After I sent it to you. I thought it'd be like. You know what? Wow. I said it at work. They did the same thing you did. I was like. Are y'all serious? You not understand. Like how big. Soccer is to the world. And it's called soccer. And there's a whole history of why. It would be big to the world. I mean. Like people here. Would act like it's big. For about a day. Now this is. This is my. And this is why. I kind of give it the equivalent.

[00:50:46] New York is probably considered. If we ranked. Overly confident. Populations. In America. Okay. New York is probably one. LA is probably one A. We'll say. Philly. Boston. Chicago. Boston. Yeah. Boston is probably up there. Like. Just the. The. The ego level of these cities. Now. Okay. If we think of a world scale. The most.

[00:51:16] Cocky country. Is America. So on the world scale. We are. What New York City is. To United States. If we were in. The finals. The US. Like the men's soccer team. Was in the finals. Versus France. Or Germany. Or something like. Argentina. And they beat. One of these powerhouse teams. To win the world cup. It would. I.

[00:51:45] I dare to say. It will be bigger than the Knicks. Winning the championship. Just because. Yeah. I mean. It's a world event. That's kind of cheap. No. It's not really cheap. I understand. Like. That would be like. That to me. Like that would be the equivalent. That's. That's. That's cheap. That's cheap. All right. So. How about this? I thought that was like a good. I thought that was like a good one. No. It is a great. It is a great one. But it's kind of. It's a great one. But it's kind of cheating. Because. You know what I'm saying. People disagree. Like the people in my office. Flat out disagree. Like even to this point.

[00:52:15] Where you kind of make a concession. Well. I get it. You think it's cheap. It might be a bit. They flat out. Didn't even agree. They were like. No one would care. I was like. You mean no one would care? I'm like. People would care. No. Like. Like. Like. Everybody from. Everybody from England. To Italy. Would fire their managers. Oh yeah. They would fire the manager. And they will hire whoever the manager is. For the U.S. men's team. Immediately. Half the team will be playing in the Premier League. All right. Well. Allow me. To go to the NFL.

[00:52:45] That surprised me. I thought that was going to be like. Hey man. I never thought of that. I think I shit on my five adults. I'm going to go to the NFL. NFL. I'm going to go to the same city. Can you imagine the fucking Jets winning a Super Bowl? Jets winning a Super Bowl. Holy shit. Like. You talk about miserable fans. I didn't have the Mets though. I don't have the Mets. You didn't have the Mets. I have the Jets. I got another one. I got another one for you. I think you'd like to. But. If the Jets.

[00:53:15] Think about this. Right. The Jets have less. AFC championships than the Colts. And the Colts haven't been. In the AFC East since 1999. The Jets have not won the AFC East. Since 2002. The Jets have not made the playoffs. Since 2010. And they're in the middle of New York City. Probably one of the most loyal fan bases. That you could think of in sports. You know. Because their fans ride. Just like the Cleveland Browns fans. You know.

[00:53:45] If the Jets won the Super Bowl. The earth would stop spinning on its axis. You would see. And they haven't won since 1969. It would be. See. Jet fans aren't in Manhattan. They're in like Long Island. Queens. Yeah. Queens. Like. So they're like on the. So I don't think it would flood. Manhattan the way. The Knicks fans. Are currently foot mad.

[00:54:15] It would be crazy. I think you would see a lot. You would see some people. Jumping. They just got to get Wu-Tang to perform. Method Man's a Jet fan. The thing. And the thing. Because he's Staten Island. Like the islands. Staten Island. Long Island. Like they. That's. That's the Jets. The Islanders. Is like Mets. Jets. Islanders. Nets. Like that's the. That's your. Your quadrant right there. The thing with the Jets. That will make it so remarkable. Is that. It seems like.

[00:54:44] Every year. They're. Really good. At something. Like. They have really good defensive players. But they're just like. So bad. Offensively. Or they're so bad. In the coaching staff. Or they're just. So bad. At quarterback. It's like. If you could just get. Average. If they could just. The defense that they had over the last few years. If they get. Average. Play out of the quarterback. And then. Above average.

[00:55:14] Game planning. From the coaching staff. I think the young talent. They had defensively. Could have made a splash. They could have made. They could have made. Like the way Denver played in the AFC championship game. Against New England. I think. They could have made. One of those kind of runs. To where. You don't have that bad turnover. You might win that game. End up in a Super Bowl. But they just. They just keep. Having bad decision making. And then going back to Geno Smith now. It's just like. They just keep.

[00:55:44] On. They're on this merry-go-round. The misery. By themselves. Whereas everybody else. Like we talk about the NFL. Like yo. The NFL. Gives you an opportunity. To go from. Worst to first. Every year. It happens. Every year. Each. Each side of the AFC. The NFC. Or a team that goes from first. To like maybe third. It happens. It's a fluctuation. The Jets. They don't seem to be able to catch. No. If the Jets. To get up to the top. If the Jets win a Super Bowl. Get your Bibles out. Cue revelations. Because you're going to hear those horns. The horns. The trumpet.

[00:56:18] The angels. I'm going to go. I'm going to go baseball. Okay. Mike Trout's angels. Not the angels. If he's not playing for him. But like. Because people feel like Mike Trout is like. They call him the best player. But we never really see him. Because his team doesn't extend themselves. Into the playoffs. But I think a Mike Trout. Angels team. I think it would. Especially more likely. They're going to be playing the Dodgers. So I think just taking down that juggernaut. Of the Dodgers.

[00:56:48] Mike Trout. Angels. I think that would be. That would have the Richter scale. Going crazy. I don't really have any like. Details about his stats. Anything like that. I just know how. He's regarded as such a. You know. Everyone says he's the best baseball player. I've ever seen. And injuries kind of derailing it. If. For whatever reason. They can put it together. And the Mike Trout. Angels. Not just the Anaheim Angels. The Los Angeles. So the Angels. The Angels. I think that would be a big deal. For Mike Trout.

[00:57:18] In Mike Trout. Fans. In the vein. You know. Because Barry Bonds. Never won a World Series. For example. So. So it would be big. But I don't think. And I know. And I know. You're emphasizing. Well I know. You're emphasizing. The Mike Trout. It has to be Mike Trout. You know what I'm saying. But. But. I think of it as. Nobody cares about the Angels. You know what I mean. Nobody cares about the Angels. Like. They care. Like.

[00:57:48] I think the baseball community. Cares about Mike Trout. I think baseball purists. Care about Mike Trout. I don't think. But I think. That's. But that's. That's. Because he's such a genuine. I mean. It's not like he's Taylor Swift. Or something. He's like the Taylor Swift. Of baseball. Like just genuine. Nice guy. I think. They were highlighted. All year long. If. If the Angels finish a year. Fucking. 101. And 61. And they were number one seed. In the American League. And they were like. Oh. Don't jump ahead of me.

[00:58:17] Rez. That's on my list. Don't jump ahead of me. All right. So. So. I got that. Mike Trout's Angels. Like I said. It has to be Mike Trout. All right. Now this one. I've reached a little bit. You know. Because I wanted to have. Because I wanted to have. A creative conversation. I didn't want to just be like. You know. And have a chat conversation. That's what. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So. So check me out though. Check me out. So. This team.

[00:58:46] Got ripped away from their city. We've been clamoring for them to come back. Except for Mr. Logical. If the Seattle Supersonics. Come back and win a title. That would be such a folklore. Celebration. You know what I mean? The uniforms. The hats. The hats. The hats. The hats. The hats. Yeah. It's got to be the uniforms. They got to have the uniforms. Not those ones. Gary P. has to be. Not the ones that they wore against the Bulls in the finals. The green and orange.

[00:59:16] The green and yellow. Gary P. has to be your ambassador. Yeah. And you know. Because Seattle. I think was one of those teams. That. Because of their color scheme. How different their uniforms were. You know. The space needle. Sean Kemp. So Seattle was popular in a way. That a team from Seattle should not be popular. They're more popular in the 90s than probably any team that plays on the West Coast.

[00:59:45] And most of the sports. You know who it kind of reminds me of. It kind of reminds me a little bit. Not today. But in the 90s. I'm going back. It reminded. It reminds me almost of. They were like the West Coast version of the Charlotte Hornets. Back in the 90s. Like the Larry Johnson. Alonzo Hornets. Everyone wore. Everyone had a Charlotte Hornets jacket. And everyone had the Seattle suit. Yeah. And then. It came out with the purple. The Hornets came out with the purple uniforms.

[01:00:16] Oh. It lights out. Lights out. You know what I mean? The playing style. The above the rim. But then. The guy. The personalities. The 90s were just flooded with personalities anyways. But then to top it off. Right. And if this happened. People would say sports was raved. But if the Supersonics beat OKC in the Western Conference Finals. To get to the NBA title. You think OKC would try to claim it? I don't know. I don't know. I thought there was an agreement. Like the Ravens.

[01:00:45] Like the Colts and the Browns. No. Browns and the Ravens. Or the Ravens and the Colts. Like playing each other in the AFC Championship. I thought there was an agreement. I thought there was an agreement. That if the Sonics came back. That the history would go back. All the information would go back. Yeah. Yeah. It makes sense. All right. Who you got next? All right. Like you saw the Mets once. We want to elaborate on that. Same thing. Cleveland Browns.

[01:01:17] Double down if it's Shador led Cleveland. Oh, geez. Because people care. Like I don't think people really care about the Kansas City Chiefs as much. But they really, really like Pax Mahomes. I don't think people really cared about New England. But they just really loved Tom Brady. Like the New England fans did. But like there's no way you're a New England fan if you were born in Ohio. If you were born anywhere near the Mississippi River. Like there's you're never even going to go to New England. But Cleveland Browns because of the history.

[01:01:47] Jim Brown being there for the last NFL championship that wasn't a Super Bowl. But a Cleveland Browns Super Bowl just because the fan base is so just already on tilt. And if you add a Shador like a Shador as a starting quarterback when it happens. Just the media the media ferocity around it. Coupled with like the decades of passion for the Cleveland Browns. I think that that would be nuts. Is it bigger than New York? No.

[01:02:16] But I think it would have that same kind of drive. Having just the city kind of reuniting themselves. And then joining the unity in the streets. I think it would be that level of you know intensity for the city. Well you know what's funny. And popularity for the city. Yeah. What's funny is I almost brought up the Cleveland Indians. You know what I'm saying. But I didn't do it. Because they hadn't won since 1948. I almost brought them up.

[01:02:43] But what I will do is switch gears the same way that you kind of went with the World Cup. Yeah. If Nebraska wins another national title. You know what I mean. They haven't won a title since 19. No this is college football royalty. And I'm not saying it just because I'm a Nebraska student. But they haven't won the title. You have multiple college football teams right. As far as. On your list. Like on your list.

[01:03:13] Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Are they the number one or are they one of. Okay okay. No. Okay. Because by number one. I want to rank them. I want to rank them. Okay. Okay. Hold on. Hold on. I got you. I got you. So Nebraska hasn't won the title since 97. You know what I mean. They played against that Miami team. You know in 2001. In the national title game. They shouldn't have been there because they lost 62 to 36 to Colorado in the Big 12 championship game. But Mr. Logical on my list.

[01:03:44] Nebraska's number three because I got Penn State at number two. I mean Notre Dame at number one. If Notre Dame wins a national title. Especially if they beat an SEC team to do it. If Notre Dame beats Alabama in a national title game. They beat Ohio State in a national title game. They beat Georgia in a national title game. For us old school people out there. Notre Dame beats Michigan in a national title game. That will get the computers pewting.

[01:04:14] Penn State. Okay. I like your Penn State. I got Penn State, Notre Dame, Nebraska. Why Penn State ahead? Why Penn State? Because I think Penn State has a legendary figurehead that everybody knows. And Notre Dame just has a history that everybody's aware of. Like you know Notre Dame has been Notre Dame forever. Like you don't really know how many national champions they had.

[01:04:44] You might know who Lou Holtz is. Rocket Ishmael. Like you're not thinking about like was it Newt Rockne in the speech? That's not like a thing that's like locked into your head. Win one for the Gipper. Yeah. Stuff like that. But with Penn State, you have Joe Paterno. You have the scandal. You have the very plain, but at the same time iconic jersey that hasn't changed.

[01:05:12] Getting rid of a coach like James Franklin. Yeah. So you just have, you have like this, this, well, like a bit of, you have, you have a nostalgia because no matter how old you are, if you are 40 or you're 20, Joe Paterno was coaching like for a substantial part of your like life. You know, like I feel like between like 50 and 35 right now.

[01:05:42] So, you know, you associate Penn State with Joe Paterno. Subsequently, the scandal. And then, like I said, like the iconic look of the team because they've looked the same for so long and they've seemed to play the same way for so long. Black shoes, blue jerseys, white pants, white helmets, all white uniform. It's just like a very iconic look. I think that would, I think that would drive, I think that would drive the nation wild. So, so real quick before you go, I just, I just want to say this one sentence real quick.

[01:06:13] Could you imagine, so, so this is not a team for now. I'm going back in the past a little bit. Could you imagine Georgetown winning a title in the nineties? Yeah. I mean, just in general, like, like, like Georgetown, like for a long time, there were people that I've met that like legit thought Georgetown was an HBCU. Yo, literally, literally, I was thinking the same thing. I was waiting for you to stop because I was going to say it. I thought Georgetown was a black school.

[01:06:42] Yeah. Georgetown and Temple. Those were the two. I thought they were, I thought Georgetown for sure was a black school. And so on. So on. So on. It's like, that's why all the lawyers work in DC. Yeah. It's a, it's a gesture. It's a gesture with university. I was like, what? But go ahead. Who you got next? This is kind of like a layup just because I think the guy's likable. The Buffalo bills. That was one of Bill Simmons suggestions. I was like, you know, I like that.

[01:07:12] I think, I think the Buffalo bills, even though they whining at the rule change every year. I think everybody's likable. I think their team is just likable. I think people like Deion Dawkins. I don't know what's going on with your boy Keon, but he likes them. Obviously, the Mar Hamlin, him dying on the field. I don't think they get the New York stimulus from it, though. You don't think they get the, you don't think the love? Yeah. Because I guess Buffalo is kind of small.

[01:07:42] I just figured like on a, I think, I think people love that team nationally, even if you have your own team. I think Josh, if you're, if Sunday night football is Buffalo versus Cincinnati and you're a Raiders fan, I think you don't mind watching Josh Allen. Actually, you know what? That's a good one, too. I didn't have it on my list, but the Bengals would be a good one.

[01:08:02] You know, with, with Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, the struggling franchise, because they're, because they're like the Browns, but they just got some success sprinkled in every so often. You know what I'm saying? So that would be a good one. They seem to get, they seem to get the quarterback right for a while. And then the quarterback goes to the owner and says, Hey man, can we get two more hot tubs in the locker room? They're like, Nope. He was like, man, get me out of here. And side note, side note.

[01:08:32] You know, who's in first place right now? Mr. Logical. In baseball? Yeah. Knowing you is probably the Pittsburgh Pirates. The White Sox! What? The White Sox! Which brings me, which brings me to my next pick. The Bulls winning a title without a Michael Jordan.

[01:09:02] We've seen that OG tip in. I'm going to say, realistically, I've seen that OG tip in 27 times in the last two days. Uh-huh. If the Bulls are on this kind of run, can you up? Nike, first of all, is bringing back every Jordan. From all, like, all six championships.

[01:09:22] If the Bulls get to the Eastern Conference Finals and it looks like, or they look like they're going to make that run, they make the move and somehow they get Giannis and then they hit on a draft pick and it just kind of works and they're making that run. They're bringing back every single pair of Jordans that won. The year he won championships, they're all coming back. Original colorways. $500 each. It's going to be nuts. So that's going to make the streets want it even more.

[01:09:52] So yeah, I like that one. Because if I'm asking off the rip, off the bat, that's the first thing I'm saying. Could you imagine Game 7, Bulls at the Garden. Eastern Conference Finals. Michael Jordan walks in the arena. Shut it down. Shut it down. Like, bro, could you imagine? Man, my Donnie would be in the booth like this. Him and Rayquard like, yeah.

[01:10:22] Could you imagine? Like, you know what I mean? Like, even if Mike didn't show up. And then Giannis, because they made the deal to get Giannis. Just make this hypothetical. Even if Mike didn't show up. Comes out in the last shots. Even if Mike didn't show up. Imagine Patrick Ewing talking to somebody. And he turns around. And Scottie Pippen's just staring at him. Like, you know what I mean? Everybody would be there.

[01:10:52] The Knicks Bulls 2027 Eastern Conference Finals. I think that's a... You don't think Mike would show up? Why you gotta be the party pooper? I think... I think Mike would. I think he would. I think he would. I think a lot of legends would. Because I think those... Those franchises...

[01:11:22] Because we talked about the 80s with Boston and... Boston and the Lakers kind of driving the needle. I think in the 90s that Bulls... Young Shaq Orlando... Knicks popularity. I think that was huge. I think they would probably pay him. They would pay him whatever number he wanted. Just to have him show up. Just to have that moment. But yeah. I definitely would have a run. I would drop all... And if I was Nike, I'd drop them all at the same time. Boom.

[01:11:52] Hey, I told you we were gonna have fun, Rez. I told you we were gonna have fun. All right. You got any more? You got... Oh, you tapped out. I got a few more. I got the Brooklyn Nets just because it's New York. And I got the Mets. Okay. But the Mets spend so much money. The Mets is a good one. The Mets is a real good one. If they could ever get people to buy into them. That's the problem. I don't think they have the fan base to buy into them. And I just feel like the...

[01:12:19] You need a little bit more fan base dedication to make the owner want to spend money. So does Jersey still rock with the Mets? And the Mets have a really rich owner. Yo, honestly, football is such... Football is king here. Like, you see... Philly people love... Philly people love all their teams. And Philly people love all their teams. And they rock with them. Jersey, they love their football teams.

[01:12:49] And then they love the Yankees. Okay. Fair enough. So I was thinking... You know... I was going to keep it in New York again. I don't want to beat the dead horse. But... I was wondering how big it would be if St. John's won a national title. Like, if St. John's would have beat Duke in that Sweet 16 game this year...

[01:13:14] Like, how crazy would New York have gotten to get that rematch with UConn in the Elite Eight? You know? The rubber match. St. John's has never won a national title. But just because they are situated in New York City... They are viewed, in my eyes, as an iconic program. Because they were there with the Big East. When the Big East became a thing. And when it took over national media and everything. You know?

[01:13:43] So I wonder how big St. John's would be. But... Rez brought up a team that I was going to bring up earlier. And it's simple. It's chalk. So you got to have some chalk. But... And I'll give you a twofer. I'll give you a twofer. And the reason that I'll give you a twofer is because I brought up Penn State and Notre Dame. And their last national titles were a year apart.

[01:14:08] Well, you also got the Cowboys and 49ers who last Super Bowl was a year apart. So as much as we bang on the Cowboys because they haven't won since 95 or whatever it was. You know? The 49ers haven't won in that same window. But those teams have been, like, good. Well, the 49ers have been... The 49ers have been on the brink. You know? They've made a few Super Bowls. Dallas still hasn't got back.

[01:14:37] The Cowboys have... You know? It was one year. They went 8-0 at home and then lost that playoff game to Green Bay. So, like, they've been, like, a good team. They have been floundering, like, the Jets. I think that's what the Cowboys is, like, when are you going to get over the hump? Yeah. Because they have a successful history. I remember we had an argument. One of the groups talked about, like, if they had a winning culture or something like that. And then they went out and had a terrible year and kind of lost my argument.

[01:15:06] But it would be a huge deal. But I think we expect them to be there because they're always equipped as far as a talent. As far as talent, as far as ownership, as far as just the... Even the coaching staffs have always kind of fit. It's just there's this narrative that the owner is impatient. And that's the... Yeah.

[01:15:34] I think the fans would be crazy. But, like I said, I'm not sure if we have felt... We as sports fans have felt the Knicks were even going to be close to a championship, let alone 24 hours away from winning. Well, like, there's still... The Cowboys... Like, I think the Cowboys are... People pick the Cowboys every year. Like, I picked the Cowboys to play the Ravens probably last year. So, I'm saying... So, I think people believe in the Cowboys. It just doesn't...

[01:16:01] And there's still people in our age group that remember Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin, Emmitt Smith, so on and so forth. Like, nobody has seen the Knicks... Those guys are going to be all the time. Yeah. No one sees anybody from the Knicks other than Clyde Frazier. Like, we... Like, yeah. In our age group, you know what I'm saying? Like, you got to go back. Like, the last time the Knicks won a title... See... And I'll be 45 in less than two months. The last time the Knicks won a championship, my mom was 17.

[01:16:32] You know what I'm saying? My dad was 16. That's what I'm saying. Like... So, like... No, I get your point, Rez. There are way more Cowboy fans. But, you know... But... So, here's another one. This is the logical... And this is another one of those things. It's the same city as my previous reach. And I only brought this team up because I want to say what I'm about to say. The Seattle Mariners. Okay.

[01:16:57] So, the reason that I bring them up is because back in 2001, they won 116 games. You know, they broke the record that the Dodgers just recently tied for wins in a season, right? Yep. But... There was no Ken Griffey on that team. You know, there was no Alex Rodriguez on that team. But in that year, Mr. Logical, there's a guy named Ichiro.

[01:17:26] He won MVP and Rookie of the Year. He was a Silver Slugger. A Golden Glove winner. They had... They had... They had... They had... Or Adam Boone, who finished third in MVP. They had Jamie Boyer. And I forgot... I forgot the other pitcher's name. But they finished third and fourth in the Cy Young.

[01:17:53] And they didn't get to the World Series that year. The Mariners are the only team... The Mariners are the only team in Major League Baseball that have never made the World Series. That's why I bring them up. You know what I mean? But to the Knicks point, to Rez's point, I got one for you. Not this isn't another team, but... I think when the Cubs and Red Sox won, that was bigger than the Knicks.

[01:18:31] The curse was... It was so long. It's like... I don't know. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think... I don't think it turned the city crazy the way the Knicks... Well, I mean, it's New York. It's always going to be overrated. It's always going to... Just off of numbers, you know what I mean? New York is going to have an advantage from that standpoint. But I'm just talking about where it stands in the history of the sport.

[01:19:01] Chicago is divided between two established baseball teams, too. Which is weird, because I've never met a White Sox fan. Well, actually, I met one. Actually, I met one when I first moved here. But besides that, everybody's been Cubs fans. Yeah. So with the Knicks, it's like... The city's not divided between Knicks and Nets. They're divided between Giants and Jets, but that also takes into account

[01:19:31] Jersey. So a lot of Giant fans are in Jersey. So it's just... Even with the Jets having their New York, Queens, Long Island, Staten Island fans, the Giants have Jersey. So they have, like, such a large number of fans anyway. So even if they float into the city, it's a lot of fans. I think Chicago, because they're completely divided between two teams that... The Curse

[01:20:00] was one thing, but I don't know if it really resonated. Yo, can you remember... But do you remember the hysteria around Bartman? Yeah. They were going to kill him. That's what I'm saying! People were going to kill him. That's what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying? It's just one of those things where it's just like... You know? Like... Just saying. Like... The fandom, like I said, I stand behind my U.S. men's soccer team thing.

[01:20:30] It won't ever happen, but... Maybe when I'm 106 years old, it does happen. Like, see, I told you, and I pull up YouTube on my little Palm Pilot holograph phone. Yeah. So I don't know. You know what I'm saying? We'll see. But hey! Yeah. Tomorrow night! Game 6! I'm sorry, Game 5! Go Spurs! Go! You know what I mean? And then, you know, we'll be back on Tuesday, so hopefully we'll have a Game 6 because me and Mr. Logical

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