Are You In Season Or Out?

[00:00:05] [SPEAKER_02]: What's up y'all it's Friday. You know what that means it means NFL picks

[00:00:11] [SPEAKER_02]: We got the end scenes in tournament final tomorrow and oh before I forget

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[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_02]: You are now listening to the sounds of sports reports as ordered

[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I am to five

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And on the other side of that screen

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[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Logical

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I got it on good authority. I

[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't even know why I'm happy right now. I got the worst news that a sports fan could get today

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Missed that the spread came out and the buy week is favorite by 14 over the commanders

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It makes no sense

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It makes no sense, you know, but yo

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Get it all just

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_01]: start

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Right about now

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Stop drafting these quarterbacks that's sucking college. You think you can fix them in the NFL. I'm coming in hot

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm coming in hot. I'm like it just I don't know why people are ignoring

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a basic formula if I'm going to solve

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_04]: this math question

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Four times four

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Plus two I

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't need to go

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_04]: To the ends of the earth. I don't need to go over analytics. I don't need to over analyze it. No common core

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't need all this other stuff four times four

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_04]: 16 plus two

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_04]: 18

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_04]: quarterback that has

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_04]: 12 starts in college it's probably not gonna be a good NFL prospect Mark Sanchez

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Victor Trebisky

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Who'll give you another I think Andrew look has some has some good starts turned out to be a good quarterback

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Brock Purdy had a lot of starts turned out to be a good quarterback

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Tyler Bajan had a lot of starts trying to be a pretty good quarterback

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Justin Fields didn't have any starts struggling at quarterback

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Trevor Lawrence had a couple years

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Pretty good quarterback to show I'm asking is resting at a few years at a few years the way has been didn't have that means one negative

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_04]: you know so

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_04]: stop

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Cordell Jones

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Didn't have that many starts turned out not to be I think he was in like the what is that league that was on like the fan

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Voted League or something. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Michael Vic was up in there

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Mitchell Trebisky was drafted ahead of

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_04]: The shot watching and Patrick on homes

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Not in years in the same draft

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_04]: How go up from three to two to get Trebisky

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And what we'll get into our recap of the game and we'll talk about that here in a few minutes

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_04]: but

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_04]: New England plenty like eight or nine times two or three times in the fourth quarter

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_04]: when

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Pittsburgh was down three when that ball was kicked

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_04]: To the twenty

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_04]: 25 30 on the side of the field and Trebisky was marching onto the field at no point that I think

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_04]: He was gonna be able to make the plays to get them in a scoring position on the other side of the 50

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm if I'm thinking that I know for damn sure Pickens was thinking it

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I know for sure. Not your hairs was thinking it

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm pretty sure I know Mike Tomlin was thinking it

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_04]: This dude was literally throwing the ball to New England Patriot

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Defensive backs yesterday hitting them in the chest with the ball

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Multiple times just throwing it behind and it's like you've been in the league you got drafted ahead of

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_04]: The Sean Watson and Patrick Mahomes and you've done nothing you haven't improved so all that means to me is that you were never good at this job

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_04]: If you look if you look as bad as a

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_04]: He looked like a rookie or

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Second year guy that's never had a start

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_04]: That's how he looked

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_04]: He looked like Desmond Ritter

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yo, keep it a bee he looked like doesn't really he looked like Tim Boyle look like Zach Wilson

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_04]: He looked like CJ bethard he looked like

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Baker Mayfield at times with Carolina. He looked like Sam Darno

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_04]: He looked like all these guys that went top ten first right you look like Malik Willis

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_04]: He looked like give me some more. He looked like Mac Jones. He looked like Mac. You look like McCorkle Jones

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Hell he looked he looked less impressive than Bailey's happy

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't look like he didn't look like he could hold Charlie Batch's jockstrap

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_04]: not at all and it's just the the makeup and the

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_04]: dynamic of

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_04]: These quarterbacks is just appalling because it's gonna cost really really really good coaches their job

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I can't do anything with you if you've been in a league for seven years. I'm Mike Tomlin

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And I can't trust you to make a it's fourth and two

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Why are you throwing a go route in the cover to man?

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_04]: You got man

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_04]: You got press man coverage and a safety over the top and you suck you know you suck

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Why are you throwing a go route just get the two yards? He looked like Mason Rudolph who they already had

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_04]: You know so I get it yet quarterbacks don't grow on trees. They're just not everywhere

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I completely understand that

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_04]: But if you're gonna get in the game they look so ill prepared for season veterans

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_04]: He's having he's but this is third team and like I said, I literally had zero

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Expectation of him getting the ball from the 25 into field go range

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Definitely not a touchdown even when they got the turnovers

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Interception and the block punt

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_04]: That's two touchdowns you should have gotten they gave you they gave you the ball in the only place

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_04]: You were gonna be able to score

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_04]: So when they were putting the ball away like I think it was like fourth and inches fourth of one million was like that

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_04]: We're gonna put this because Bill Belichick was like

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_04]: You can't get it from here you can't get it from down there to back here

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_04]: But if we don't get this fourth down, he's already in position

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_04]: He's like just kick it over there. This dude is not moving the ball at all

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_04]: The wide receivers from Pittsburgh have quit

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_04]: They are done they've been done for weeks pickings been done done pick George and then Kenny pick it

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_04]: He's up in the booth

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Like you need to be on the sideline you have proved nothing

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_04]: You still I hear playing football with gloves on like a 12 year old like I mean just I'm just upset and a whole Mike Thomas

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Talk to a Pittsburgh fan today. He was like they got it. They got a fire Mike Tom and I was like you gonna fire got it never had a

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, you set me up. You don't set me up. When's the last time the Steelers want to play off game? Oh

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_04]: We in 2023 right now. I'm gonna say are

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_04]: 2016

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_02]: 2017

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Just close. You know, they beat the chiefs and the playoffs, you know

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_02]: But just just for a little bit more clarity, you know, it just indulged me for a minute

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Not only did they take him ahead of the Sean Watson and Patrick Mahomes

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But here's here's some more names from that first round of that draft

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So obviously Miles Gurt went number one that don't count, you know

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, number three was Solomon Thomas

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_02]: number four Leonard Furnett

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Number eight little guy you might know him Christian McCaffrey

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Number 11 March on Lattimore number 13 Hassan Reddick

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_02]: number 14 Derek Barnett

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_02]: number

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_02]: 16 Marlin Humphrey number 17 Jonathan Allen

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_02]: You know number 23, I mean you wouldn't the draft to tie it in that high but Evan Ingram

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_02]: you know

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Number 27 Trey White

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_02]: number 30 number 30

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_02]: TJ Watt

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Number 29 again, you wouldn't take a tight in that high but David and Joku

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_04]: You know like they traded up from three to two no one was trying to get your biscuit to oh

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_02]: How about this one number 28 taco Charlton? You know number 31 Ruben Foster

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So so you didn't even have to reach for him

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know like nobody else was taking Mitchell

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Trabesky and I admit I admit I

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Like Mitch Trabesky in college, you know

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_02]: He was running that offense down in North Carolina

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_02]: But you heard what I said in college the same thing that I must say about one bow

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Nick's you know who I feel is like the next Zach Wilson waiting to happen

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like this guy was no good at Auburn. You took him to the Northwest

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_02]: To Nike University put all the speed around him

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Playing in a lesser conference and now all of a sudden he's a Heisman candidate. I don't buy it

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, get it off my chest

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_02]: You know first of all

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_02]: congratulations

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_02]: To trade Taylor for winning the Thorpe Award out of the United States Air Force Academy

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, we go into the wild blue yonder. That's right

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_02]: They changed that they changed that I forgot they changed that

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_02]: You know the at a boy give her the gun or whatever it was like they changed that like because it was like are you messing with me?

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, that was like serious. I was like last year, you know

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_04]: If I go to the vent we sing an Air Force song I'm doing it

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, here it is right here, you know May 29th of 2020

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_02]: You know

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Because they wanted to show representation of everyone that has served they didn't want it to be

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Gender-specific so instead of Adam boy get him give her the gun give him the gun

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_02]: It says Adam now give him the gun negative

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't care. I ain't politically correct. I don't need to be

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So look so look Air Force, right? The the the the reigning defending

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Commander in chief

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_02]: trophy winners

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Tomorrow is the game America's game

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody talks about the iron bowl. They talk about the big game

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, they talk about Florida Florida State

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_02]: They talk about Washington, Oregon

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_02]: But no game

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Personifies the sport that I love college football

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_02]: The way that army Navy does these are just guys with pride

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Playing a kid's game

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Forget your NIL forget your transfer portal

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_02]: These are just dudes that for one are

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Dedicating their lives to defend their country

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_02]: But they are out here playing football

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Seemingly just for the love of the game

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Now neither team is going to a bowl game this year five and six

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_02]: This makes the game that much more special and

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_02]: if army wins

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_02]: They take the commander in chief trophy home for the first time since 2020 if Navy wins

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_02]: It stays at the Air Force Academy

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Because they would have all beat each other

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_02]: So there's a lot on the line here, but the main thing is respect

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Now the commander in chief trophy came along in 1972

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Rutley

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Academy which Academy has won the most commander in chief trophies

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably Naval Academy it would be the United States Air Force Academy

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, 21 times Navy 16 Army 9 I said I was thinking Roger Stalbuck

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_02]: You know well yeah, but you know so this game is America's game

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the man's man's game

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So salute to you all that's gonna take the field tomorrow

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for your service. Thank you for everything that you're doing

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Have a good game out there and made a best team win

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_04]: No army beat Navy. I'm an army brat

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_04]: So go army beat Navy now

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I want I want Navy to win because you know then the Air Force get to keep the trophy, you know plus

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_02]: You know Naval Academy Annapolis, Maryland

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I was a little dumb kid that didn't know any better and I thought Navy was just another Maryland team

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_02]: When I was growing up, you know, I was like, yo, that's the local team and they're like that's the military

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, what's the military? So you know

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Little dumb 2-5 there, you know, but but here we go. So last night

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I came on these airwaves and

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I asked if we were gonna have a nine to six game

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And I should have known better because I even said in my own preview

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_02]: That the Steelers were 29th against the pass and the run the Patriots were 23rd against the pass

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So I should have known that points could be scored and I even said I even said that I did not think

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_02]: That Zeke Elliott was washed. I just think that he wasn't the Zeke Elliott that we've known

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And then what he go do and get 140 scrimmage yards last night

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Zeke is a big body

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I think he just started running and he was taking that that bruising in Dallas

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And it was like I'm just gonna keep his weight on to get strong because I first time

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I seen him being a patriot uniform. I thought his offensive linemen

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Like they had a camera. They had the camera like eye level like he was walking from

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Like one of their buildings like to their practice. Oh, I saw him in a patriot uniform

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought he was an e-walk wearing united states colors

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Yo, I thought my man was playing tackle

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_04]: not tackle football

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so what about hold on before we get into this, you know, what about that uh

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_02]: false start call

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_02]: On the punnit near the end of the game

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to think because when I saw it, I thought to myself

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I've seen every long snapper do that like all he did was come up

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I've seen every long snapper do that. He didn't even do it abruptly. He just lifted his head up and looked

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and they called that which I thought was an offsides, you know

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Well the script the script had new england jumping off sides

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Because everybody in a booth

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Called the penalty on like tovi

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_04]: 48

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_04]: The rest called it on 46 and after they called it even the guys kurt hersey in the booth

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Was like, yeah, you know tovi made the mistake, you know, they're gonna give pittsburgh the first down and they were like, whoa

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Wait, hold on. They called it on pittsburgh. I thought it was a bad call

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, like I said, I

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna die on this hill you have plenty of time to make plays

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_04]: You can't let you can't put yourself in a position to where

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_04]: A single bad call can disrupt your opportunity to win

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't let a team that averages 12 points a game score that much on you

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Score 21 points in the first half with a

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_04]: A backup quarterback that's

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_02]: He's the best quarterback on that roster

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_04]: West Kentucky university stand up

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_04]: But

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_04]: it just

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I I remember watching because I was watching when I was out to dinner

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_04]: So I was I was out of you know, sitting at the bar eating my food

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_04]: So I was on the tv and then I left before the game ended. So I was watching the game. I was driving home. I was watching on my phone

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_04]: so

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_04]: It was one

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_04]: The the later series where

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Pittsburgh went for and I got my eyes closed because I'm thinking I'm not sleeping

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_04]: It was fourth and one

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Pittsburgh call no this this this mother thing real quick

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Stop wasting your timeouts in the second half

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And if like if you're stabs just

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Call the insides don't hand off ring. That's it. Like if you have nothing else

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't waste the time on the second half in a highly contested game

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Because you're gonna need it and they needed it and they didn't have it because they got a first down

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_04]: You get the ball reset

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_04]: You got 25 seconds

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_04]: To get

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_04]: The play in and run it and they had to call a timeout after first down

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Would be a good time for a full back

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_04]: So then they uh, but they already had the first down. I'm talking about like it happened earlier

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, I know but i'm just saying like if you're just going to try to get like three or four yards real quick

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Just just real quick. Just boom. Let's let's just get let's get three or four yards

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_04]: So we don't waste the time out now. We're in second and six

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_04]: So fourth and one there's out of the field they go for get it

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Next because like like I said, Trubisky wasn't moving the ball

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_04]: So they got the first down then they got seven yards in the next couple plays and then it was third

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_04]: and three

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like it's third and three

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Plenty of time. I'm thinking like seven or eight minutes left. If not maybe like probably like seven

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Probably around seven minutes. I could be wrong with somebody researching

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_04]: You just went forward on fourth and one

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Basically eight yards back

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_04]: So that means you're apt to go for it again

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_04]: On fourth and one if it happens again

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_04]: So on third and three

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Mike, what do you call them?

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Would have at least three plays in my mind

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_02]: so the first play is

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_02]: The little fake to the running back tight end just cut right over to the first down line

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_02]: You know depending on my running back

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I may call six to six two six three and a half

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're going to push you forward and go forward on fourth down if we need to

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_02]: That's probably the number one. That's the play call. That's the play call. And then the third play is a slang

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Wait, wait, wait, uh, Mitchell Trubisky is your quarterback. So what's your play call?

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm giving them to the running back. Yeah, I'm giving it

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_02]: But this is the problem. But this is the problem. This is the problem. This is the problem

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_02]: jail and Warren

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And Najee Harris combined

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_02]: 19 rushes 40 yards

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_04]: That's because there's eight dudes in a box. I'm good with that

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I think I can get three yards in this situation to get me the first down because all I need is a new set of downs

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_04]: New set of downs new hope. I don't have any hope and or faith and Trubisky

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Making a throw in a precious situation. I don't think we've ever seen it

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_04]: That last throw was wild

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_04]: The the fourth and one

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Because like I said, they got the ball back. It just it just was so poorly. I was like, yo, is that josh allen out there?

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_04]: It made me I was thinking like it's tomlin

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Out of touch and needs a more innovative offensive mind a young girl offensive mind

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_04]: To match his his wisdom like listen, i'm i'm the wisdom here

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_04]: But i'ma trust your

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Young like not even like just or like a norve turner kind of mind a shot and hammer kind of mind

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Like just somebody's gonna come up a shanahan kind of mind shanahan's i think shanahan is probably in his 40s

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Or like just somebody else or Pittsburgh needs to stop trying to be green bay northeast

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Where they don't sign anybody, you know, they just

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, we're gonna draft them and we're gonna develop them and we're gonna coach them up

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes you just need a playmaker

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_04]: They and that's the thing they have offensive playmakers is just for some reason those play calls

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I just I didn't have the faith in trebisky

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_04]: That the offensive play caller had last night and I don't know where it came from

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_04]: But but I feel the same way about pick. I just think they're all

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't even know if they win that game though. Like I don't even know if they win that game of picket plays

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't I don't think I don't think pick is the answer. I think it was a good

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it was a good pick

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Because in a year where they didn't have many quarter

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Highly rated quarterbacks in the drive

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_04]: To take a guy from your home team

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_04]: You know him. He's been in the building. You know his coaches. You know his work ethic or whatever

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that was a good thing. It's just something about the way that they play

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I think they always play like that. I think they just have any ball

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_04]: They have a burger just had that

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Moxie to make

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_04]: The play and then they had Antonio brown. They had guys like uh,

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_04]: What's the boys name number 17 super fast out of the out of Mississippi state?

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Mike something

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm drawing a blank. Yeah, I ain't got it. Then they had martel. They had like martel has been it. They I mean he has

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Antonio Holmes

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_04]: You know martel is bright. Yeah martel is bright. Yeah, they they had like playmakers on the edge very similar to the playmakers

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_04]: They have now

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just the schematics don't match but last night I would have gone especially in that fourth quarter

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like listen. Let's just let's just use our bravado

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Our big backs are big linemen

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I think I heard him say something along the lines that they had

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Four tight ends active for this game because they knew the quarterback can't throw it to wide receivers

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_04]: But yet they kept calling pass plays

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_04]: What he was throwing it down filled the wide receivers right the reason you brought four tight ends to this game

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_04]: No one dresses four tight ends

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_04]: The kansas city chiefs don't have four tight ends. The left side just chargers don't have four tight ends

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_04]: The buffalo bills don't don't bring four tight ends

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_04]: The reason you brought four tight ends is because you knew you need your

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_04]: elementary level quarterback to have some easy throws and they didn't play well

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Into the game either and they didn't call them until they were in the red zone going for two

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Like the little the little shovel pass like everyone know you're going to fry moose

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Everyone knows you're going to fry moose on a pass play

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Just run the inside zone run get your running back running downhill four yards five yards without a lot of scrimmage

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Let them plow through your guard center. Let them push there 600 pounds 700 pounds the most of bass

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Followed by 240 pound running back coming downhill. It's gonna get you three yards

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_04]: If they just make that block so it just like I said, it just

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's I think it was a simple fix and they didn't take him

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_04]: And now they have a bunch of questions to include

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Is tomlin the guy going forward? Unfortunately, I don't want I don't think he's doing a bad job

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I just don't think that they have a an identity

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_04]: That matches with his skill set anymore, right

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_02]: That makes sense, you know, but he can come to Atlanta

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Now to get back to your co-worker. Oh, I think come on like I'm putting out here first mike tommy to Atlanta

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_02]: To get back to your co-worker or whoever that was

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Byron mike tomlin is not the answer

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_02]: You know one he has the same mom super bowls bill cower. He has a better winning percentage than bill cower

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, um, the stillers are just in a transition where

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_02]: They might not have made the right decision at quarterback, which yeah, you know last time I checked tomlin doesn't make that decision

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, uh, they went nine and eight last year and had no reason to be nine and eight

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, they were probably worse last year. Well, they were their office was performing better

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_02]: But overall as a team, you know, they weren't forcing the type of turnovers that they're getting this year and blocking punts and

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Doing all the

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_04]: White missed a lot of games like they're with him playing was and we talked about his record

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, so yeah, um as far as the fire mike tommy thing like

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_02]: You know as uh, the odd couple would say stop it

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_02]: You know like just why are we talking about this? All right, so

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we already mentioned it in the intro, you know by week favorite by 14 over the commanders

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think this is the week that terry mclauren gets loose

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that they're gonna call some routes to get across the middle

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_02]: You know do some crosses with him and john dottson. Maybe kurtis sam yaw out of backfield

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm picking washington over the by week

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Yo

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_04]: What if somebody gets suspended in the by week does that mean the by week one?

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's exactly somebody get somebody get caught gambling

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_04]: That's exactly why we keep watching yet again, but hey this week

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Down in the mecca known as atlanta known as the compressor

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Your bucket the buccaneers are coming through first places on the line

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_02]: You guys want to hold serve?

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just picking a line. It's just some Atlanta fan. I have no reason to believe like I watched that game

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I watched the jet game grant it was outside. It was raining

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_04]: But I've seen plenty of quarterbacks play outside and ran into the ball

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Throw it deep. He's got you guys these guys are professionals. They're just throwing a ball around

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Did somebody get hurt last week? Like was it baits or uh, no, it was uh, it was just name

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_04]: It was uh the linebacker number 53

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Think it's landing

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Why did I say true font? Wow

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_01]: um, you know, but uh

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_04]: You gotta

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_04]: That that met life field

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if it's just a matter of because people are talking about met life field as a place where people get hurt a lot

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Or for just because it's you know right outside of new york and it just draws a lot of attention

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Of course, but back to back drives

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_04]: A jet player got hurt

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And then the next drive

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_04]: The land of player got hurt. I didn't check the status, but it was a non contact injury

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_04]: He was down

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Everybody was on the knee the jet player got carted off the field

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_04]: He got helped off. I think his name is landman

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_02]: It can't be any worse than fedex field. You know, I'll tell you that much

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I think the stadium probably sucks, but fedex field is still grass correct

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_04]: The met life stadium is that that artificial grass like that we were dealing with on

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_04]: We're we're at peterson with the

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Pettles and the hot that was like melting on our hands and stuff like that

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_04]: They have that

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm pretty sure it's a better version of that than what it

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Gets but it just the better version. That's still nasty

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well, you can just it's an open stadium just put grass

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Like it's if you were in a dome

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I can understand because arizona has it but arizona's on on a track and it goes out

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And they like the track takes it so the grass but it's still real grass that they put out under the sign of water or whatever

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's in arizona. So if you can manage grass in arizona, you definitely can manage

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Grass and east rutherford new jersey in an open stadium

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_04]: And if you were in a concert just build a platform

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Fiberglass platform that goes over and you put everything on top of that like I mean we have science for a reason

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Use it. You have billions of dollars

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_04]: And from this insurance company that's paying you with for their name on it

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Do it to it because like literally in the same

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Same basic region where jaylin phillips towards achilles

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Where errod just got hurt where uh, the jet player got hurt

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Say come on barkley got hurt there joy bolster got hurt there

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_04]: So I mean granted everyone isn't gonna hurt but it seems to be all too common. So

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm laughing because I'm laughing because kawaii lennart is six of eight from the field with 16 points

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_02]: and the jazz starters

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Are seven of 21 with 19 points

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and by the way, I don't know if you saw it but uh, okay, see pulled that thing out, you know

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just watching draemon cost go. Let's take that game again. Yep. Yep. Sure did. Did you see what he did?

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_04]: When he fell

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna let him shoot the three. Yeah, why would you try to file them?

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I think he was trying to get the five maybe they had a file to give

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Like you do that on the guy that's dribbling the ball not a guy

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_04]: position right

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_04]: He plays like a dude that hasn't been to six nba finals. Well, I think he's like just

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_02]: old tired and frustrated

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_02]: That's just

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I know I know, um, you know 35 degrees

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe a little windy because you know the moniker

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_02]: But the lions are going into chicago

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, did you pick tapavade? No, I picked atlanta if if if this was two or three weeks or two or three years ago

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I probably picked the bears to win this game

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_02]: solely with a quarterback

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Huh, no, what a who had quarterback

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, oh, we're going chicago

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, i'm just saying like like i'm getting to a point here like like, you know

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But detroit can run the ball now

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_02]: This season detroit can run the ball, you know, they're fourth in the league in russian

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So the weather won't affect them in the way that it would have

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Two to three years ago the bears on the other hand are third in the league in russian

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So who can establish the run at the end of the day detroit's just better

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I know chicago pulled out the win against minnesota on monday night

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_02]: You know when we saw them last or at least when I think I can't even remember their game from last week

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But point being on a buy last week. Yeah. Yeah, so the last time we saw them

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_02]: But point being i'm taking detroit chicago is still

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Still not necessarily winning these games because

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Chicago's taking the games

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_02]: They're winning the game they won that game because minnesota gave it to them

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_04]: They they are part of that same combination that we talked about

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if we talked about it on the podcast what we just talked about in the conversation where

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I think the coaches the offensive coaches

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Because the nfl likes points and people could say it's fantasy football or whatever

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Everyone likes all sorts of touchdowns and big plays

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_04]: And the best big play you can get on defense is a pick six. So they still want points, you know, like

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_04]: A good sack or a good pass defense where you were beating and then you recover

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_04]: That is a great play because you're on an island as a defensive back

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_04]: And if you get beat and recover and still deflect the ball like you literally say the touchdown

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_04]: That's exciting to the defensive

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_04]: said staff

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_04]: But not to the fan

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think a lot of these coaches

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And a lot of these offensive play callers

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Think that

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_04]: They just have it because the league wants it and it's like no what you are doing is awful as a fan

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I like to sit at home. I like to sit like I've never been a defensive coordinator

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't play any high level football. I just watched the games and I looked and I was like

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I could defend

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I could come up with a scheme to stop most of these offenses

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Like realistic like I wholeheartedly believe because

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_04]: They don't do they don't use their weapons properly. Chicago started this year with claypool

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Who runs about six four two thirty?

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_03]: He gone mooney

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, yeah mooney in the slot who is he's like your

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Him on a linebacker him on a safety is a mismatch on any kind of option route

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Any kind of deep cross around and he can even an out route even a simple out route

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, he gives them a little shimmy stab it inside and then goes cuts out

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_04]: There's no safety that could keep up with him

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_04]: And then you have dj morrow. It's another wide receiver who recorded

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_04]: A few years ago in the game against the land and he recorded the fastest like just like dk mech aflux with the fastest speed

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_04]: And touch down I think his was like 21 or 22 miles an hour himself

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_04]: So that's what you start and then you had coca met in the in the middle

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_04]: And justin fields who's a running threat and he's big six three and a half

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_04]: 230

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_04]: That's your

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_04]: All offensive core. They should be nine and four

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_04]: And they never nut none of their play calls look as if they had that kind of talent or that size

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Their play call looked like they uh, they got pittsburgh's offense

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_04]: They're their play called and looked like they were college team playing playing up

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It feels just bills them out, you know when he's not fumbling

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_04]: So

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I got the trope though

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I got the trope chic chicago

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Like they should just stop they should literally just stop winning games

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_04]: They should put

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Justin fields on ice

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Put bajan in

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_04]: See what you have in him because you're gonna you're gonna drive cali Williams number one overall

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_04]: You got you got a competent backup if you get them some reps over the last

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_04]: few games

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_04]: And then if you stay at four

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Because if you keep losing games, you'll be at four

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Three or four if you want a couple you might end up between five and seven

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_04]: So stay try to stay at one with with our carolina's pick

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And four with your own pick

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Caleb wams

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_04]: If marvin harrison jr. Declare it's for nfl drive as we all suspect

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Try to make a move to where you get him

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe if you got to put dj more in the deal

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_04]: To to move them around whatever you got to do

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Start a real rebuild get rid of your coach get rid of the defensive head coach

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not doing any good

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Get you a good offensive play caller

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Even if you have to like coach them out of college if you got a you got to fleece them from another team

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Go get i mean i know kellan warry had a good chance to really audition for a head coaching job

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_04]: But what they're doing in with in la is probably not healthy

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, but yeah, detroit definitely is gonna win this game simply because chicago

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Might be better off just losing anyway

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know like um, it's so crazy too because like i want to watch chicago like i want to like

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what i mean?

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_04]: They have they have the pieces to be entertaining. They have the pieces to be like

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know why record i predicted this year. I can check my notes

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_04]: But i was optimistic because i thought i thought they put carolina through the ringer and that's radio

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought they made a i thought they stood strong

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_04]: And like yo

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_04]: You know like a lot of say art of good business is you know being a good middleman

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's not a really it's not a good deal if one person feels like they won

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like chicago has to feel like they won that deal

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Because not only they got they got the picks they got more they got to move down and still got there

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_04]: It just i felt like unless right young turn around unless bright bright young

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Turns into pat my home's mini

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is that's how that's how the bears should feel um, you know 32 for 37

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_02]: 354 yards

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And after all that i'm still picking it i'm still picking the colts to beat the bag

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm still picking indy also. I knew I knew what you were talking about. Yeah like I just

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_02]: That was one of those games, you know, it was the game of a lifetime

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he can't replicate that

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_02]: You know gardener menshu

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_02]: As filled in and you know shane stikin

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we're seeing philadelphia now

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we've talked about that, you know how philadelphia's offense looks

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And the conductor is now in indianapolis

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So uh, so the colts have a chance to be in first place this week

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_02]: When it's all said and done because you know, of course, you know, we'll get to jacksonville in a minute

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, um houston should win. So, you know, we'll see we'll get there

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_02]: But i'm picking the colts, you know, I like what they're doing, you know

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_02]: He's my coach of the year so far

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_02]: You know unless you know the media try to sneak it for mike mccarthy, but

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_02]: You know

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_04]: But we'll see we'll see mccarthy is and that's saying boy

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I would talked about with that because like the expectations are always so high that the

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_04]: You don't really evaluate what's actually happening because the last two years not counting this year

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Michael carthy is 24 and 10

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll take that

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So, I don't know if the media is lying to me

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if people are being told certain things

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_02]: The word on the street is trevor launce is a game time decision

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And for some reason i refuse to believe that

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely. I saw it. I started happy live

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I refuse to believe that

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_04]: You know the 330 pound man stuff when you're right ankle

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_04]: With his right foot and big half way over while you were getting landed on by somebody else

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And you couldn't you couldn't do it. You couldn't get through the tunnel

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_02]: You know by yourself back your shoulder pads. Yeah, so, um

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I'ma still pick jackson vill over cleveland

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's solely because joe flacco is the quarterback of cleveland

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Now I will admit I will admit

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_02]: He did throw some good balls last week so to speak paul is all that stuff

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, he made he threw he made some good passes last week, especially for a guy that

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Was sitting on his couch the week before so, um cleveland is not dead

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_02]: You know as we stand they are seven and five

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_02]: You know the stealers are seven and six and the bangles are six and six

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So cleveland is still in line for the playoffs. So they need this win

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Jacksonville we talked, you know, I just talked about it, you know

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Houston and indianapolis both seven and five

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Only a game back. So any slip-ups for jackson bill

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And it can go awry real quick depending on how long trevor launch is out

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the irony of this season that I think is very exciting

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I think like we talked about college football. I think it's very exciting. I think the NFL's been very exciting

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_04]: But when you look at the records a lot of them are just like

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Mediocrat that's so many teams are mediocre and some of those teams are leading like I said, you know, you got a lana leading the vision

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_04]: the whole nfc south

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Nine and eight maybe eight nine might win that division

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_04]: If you look at the afc east miami is going to run away with it

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_04]: But then you're going to get a wild card. I think it might be an afc wild card. That's probably

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Could potentially be eight nine

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_04]: More than eight. Yeah, they're gonna they're going to be like a struggle nine and eight like buffalo's going to end up

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Look like a playoff team all year long, but they're gonna get in at nine eight

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_04]: So like it's it's just yeah, just looking at it right now

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Cleveland Cleveland being 75 at this point of the year should be

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_04]: it

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_04]: When you just broke down

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Jacksonville Cleveland Jacksonville quarterback while cleveland 75

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know the last time please have been 75 after 12 games. Well, look at this right now

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to pick them because

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna stop at

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll stop at the raiders

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_01]: They're about 12 right

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_02]: So here we go. No, the raiders are

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Ninth but

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_02]: But here we go. I'm gonna just go through this real quick

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So obviously you got the division leaders

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_02]: But even as the division leaders Jacksonville in

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Kansas City are both eight and four

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, so cleveland seven and five

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Indy in houston seven and five

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Pittsburgh seven and six Denver six and six since an addy six and six buffalo six and six

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Chargers five and seven raiders five and seven

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_02]: That's your afc playoff race and oh by the way just in case you were wondering

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Jetson titans of four and eight

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_02]: So they're they're still not necessarily out of it

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_02]: You know depending on how these next few weeks go

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_04]: They just don't have the elements to really right to really be a

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Chargers the chargers gave away a game of two throughout the year

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I was going to get to that we'll go we'll go out of order real quick because the chargers played Denver this week

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_02]: So, um, I know in the preseason

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I was higher on the chargers than you you were a little more higher on Denver

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, uh, but for the chargers

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_02]: This is lights out. You know if they don't win this game on sunday

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm not saying staley's gonna get fired Monday. He should have been fired probably four or five weeks ago

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_04]: But right you should have been fired to he should have been fired

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Not last season. He should have been fired when they won. He should have been fired when they beat minnesota

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Just for going for it. Yeah, he should have been fired then but uh, but yeah

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So i'm picking the chargers to win

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Just because I feel that their lives are on they playoff lives are on the line

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but I haven't seen any anything from them ever that that

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_04]: replicates

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Their play that goes commiserate with their intensity. I just don't see the intensity like I don't see any fire out of dixon herbert

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_04]: ever

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Ever have you ever seen any fire out of him? Denver doesn't do anything that resembles offense

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like it's the same thing I said about the bears if rossol wilson isn't saving them by

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Scrabbling around keeping the play alive running for the first down. They're inept so that's their offense though

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_02]: But that's the thing. I don't know how many points they're going to put up on the chargers, but think about think about

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_04]: That's the thing the

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Broncos have talent on offense

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Definitely, it's not fluid, but it exists and because of that

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Russell wilson

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_04]: is

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Among the quarterback leaders and touchdowns

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's like I think at this point might be like 20 touchdowns in four picks

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Somewhere in that and that general range 22 touchdowns four picks something something like that and it has been like that every week

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_04]: He hasn't thrown for over 200 yards

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_04]: And a few weeks if maybe last week at houston he did but

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I just don't feel like I never felt like the shan patin offense was

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_04]: 21 and seven

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_04]: 21, okay. It was 20. It was 20 and

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Four going into houston. Okay. So I think he went one touchdown three picks last week or something along those lines

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_04]: So 27

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Some I don't know how many quarterbacks have thrown this year has been really odd as far as this year has been really really

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Awkward like I wonder I wonder if that's the effect of the preseason

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Nah, I think it's more of the

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's the I think it's the playmakers that they put on defense

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I think like we talked about this a couple weeks ago

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_04]: You have a lot of hybrid guys playing linebacker a lot of guys who could be safeties

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Who could be corners like the guys probably start off at colleges a corner. Maybe why receiver corner

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Then he comes in nfl early on

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_04]: He's lined up as a safety and they're like listen man put on 50 more pounds

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_04]: And play like this hybrid safety linebacker position

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_04]: You have guys like miles garret

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_04]: you have guys like miles garret

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_04]: being uh

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_04]: And then you have other defensive ends willing to be the opposite booking

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_04]: So you have jeri smith. You got chase young and bolsa

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_04]: You have a lot of teams that you think about josh allen and and and travon

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_04]: What's the guy in

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Jacksonville, so josh allen the defensive in 40 travon walker. So you have

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Your draft like teams are drafting that to have two booking hybrid just six four six five defensive ends

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_04]: That's that's a lot of trouble and then you you keep it simple in the middle

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_02]: You just get a big big guy callous. How many how many quarterbacks do you think have 10 touchdowns?

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm sorry 20 touchdowns right now 20 passing or 20 total 20 passing

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_04]: 20 passing touchdowns how many quarterbacks

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_02]: 12

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of gave it away with my question because I slipped up but 10

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_04]: 10 oh

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I I didn't hear the slip-up. I just knew that because I was looking at it

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Because you know, I'm big on the whole MVP odds and how I don't like how it's basically a quarterback

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_04]: You know wart

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_04]: And I was when the MVP odds probably like week six or seven when they started kind of ramp up and people were moving

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like these quarterbacks that are moving

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Kirk cousins had like 18 touchdowns. I'm like three or four picks when he got an injury. I think he I think he

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Still

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he was still he still was like third or fourth, you know in the passing touchdowns

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_04]: After a couple weeks after his injury and then you have guys like tyreek hill who are out here getting

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_04]: 145 yards a week

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_04]: And you know a j brown four or five games in a row tv lamb

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_04]: 125 yards

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_04]: In and a touchdown. It was like five three or four games in a row

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_04]: It was like that was a record

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_04]: But none of these guys are moving up the mvp letter christin mccaffrey was going to touchdown every single game

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_04]: But yet rock party was moving up the ladder. So it just so I was really into that stat when so

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Like I said either is just a matter of

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_04]: The wide receivers are starting to get paid

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_04]: So you can't keep them with the you can't pair them up with a good quarterback

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_04]: That's expensive. So you have to uh in tyreek

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_04]: the two is cheap

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_04]: You have keenon allen and

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Justin herbert, but I think keenon allen is cheap

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_04]: You got garoppolo and divante adams, but garoppolo is cheap

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_03]: He ain't playing

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_04]: You should have a better

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Company, but josh allen leads the league and total touchdowns as a quarterback. He has to find digs

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's just not at the players the money the way the money's being dispersed. I just think you're not getting

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_04]: You're not gonna have

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Patrick mhomes

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_04]: and divante adams

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Divante adams getting 16 million dollars a year

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Patrick mhomes getting 35 to 38

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Like these wide receivers are getting 20

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_04]: six 27 28 30 million dollars

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's got I think it's gonna be because ultimately you could probably cover most of these other guys

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_04]: At the outside of your top 10

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Like gary wilson's a very very very good wide receiver. This is very good

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Atlanta pretty much handle him. He's not

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_04]: He's not breaking down your coverage. Justin jefferson's breaking down your coverage

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Jamar chases breaking down your coverage. Jordan adams is breaking down your coverage

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Jordan ass, but jamar chase hasn't gotten paid yet t higgins

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_04]: They're already talking about this last season before they came to this season that they weren't going to be able to keep

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_04]: joe burrow

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Jamar chase t higgins. So next year. This is the hot man out

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_04]: So next year higgins is probably gonna be gone

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And then you might need to go to chicago

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_04]: He might be up for some like he's gonna be t higgins gonna be up for some good money. Oh, yeah

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Like kansas city doesn't have a single like threat, but they're gonna have to figure out a way

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_04]: How do we what what can we pay him because I don't know if he can demand I don't know if he can demand davante adams money

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Because he doesn't have that production because joe burrow got hurt

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_04]: But he's not gonna be able to get

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Nearly the amount of money probably wants from cincinati because jamar chase is going to be like listen

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Look at my resume over the last few years

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Pay me what davante adams is getting because i'm your franchise guy. You can't keep us both

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, you're already paying joe burrow 250 260

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_04]: It's baltimore doesn't even have a franchise why receiver because they so I think that lends itself more to why

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Teams aren't scoring a lot of points because I don't have to guard anybody else. Look at la you got cooper cup

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_04]: But they can't pay anybody else

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_04]: So defensively

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_04]: They didn't trade all the time

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm surprised too, but that's that was their only

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_04]: That's the only thing they have that's the only combination they have is the pookah

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_04]: They thought pookah, you know, it was gonna be it. But i'm like, you can't replace

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_04]: What cooper cup has given you over the last three or four years and what he's given an nfl the last four or five years

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But uh, i'm not gonna spend any time at all. I'm just gonna say

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_02]: saints in texans

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it sounds like

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no the saints in uh

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, i'm just saying i'm not yeah

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh dirt car is expected to start. You know, there was some question about that. Taysom hill is questionable. Uh rashid

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_02]: She he's yeah, it's just it's hard to say because it's you knew that like your parents

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Listen, y'all knew that when y'all gave birth to that boy

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_04]: That his last name was she he you're gonna give me any other name

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_02]: At least like my man and when he was playing a mirror my man

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_02]: He's my name my man rashid name was sulaman. You know what I mean, but uh, so

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_02]: uh

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_02]: brands we talked about this the other day a lot better than we thought that

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_02]: That they were gonna be oh, yeah, man. I had my three and fourteen

[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_02]: They're gonna walk into my hometown and get a win

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna trust baltimore

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Because I think they I think they just keep it simple

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I think because as we just talked about, you know, you know, I nods him about the offense and not having weapons

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_04]: baltimore uses the weapons quote unquote that they have

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Pestibility but what they use mostly is like their culture. They just keep they just keep their culture on the field

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_03]: They just work. I eat culture

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_04]: They just get this honestly. That's what it is. I think labar even recognized like, you know what let's just go out here and win this game

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Like old elbeckums, I get an open baby's I get an open. I don't have Andrews

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_04]: That's like if I go 13 for 26, it is what it is. But let's let's get this win

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, for me, it's the rams flying cross country with baltimore coming off a bye

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, uh, that's the first thing that came to my mind when I looked at the schedule

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a one o'clock game too, right?

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_02]: No, yeah, because you gotta look at the schedule and as I was looking at the schedule

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I saw a stat, you know, just playing around on the internet

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, um hit me with the status today

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Matt Stafford is the only quarterback out of 39 who have thrown at least 100 passes

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_02]: That has not fumbled the ball

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I saw that today too that changes this weekend. Um, so I got Vikings over the Raiders

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, both teams trying to stay alive

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Minnesota probably has a better chance to get to the playoffs, but we can't deny

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_02]: That the Raiders have looked like a different team under Antonio Pierce. I'm not saying that they're good

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_02]: But they look like but they look like they give effort

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_04]: If the jet scored two touchdowns out of six red drone trips, they lose that game

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_02]: If was a fifth

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Jack Wilson stepped out of bounds on one of his touchdown runs

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_04]: He literally ran like 30 yards like I get it. It looks like a rejuvenated

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It looks like they got effort. I'm not saying that they're good. I'm not saying that they're gonna go on a run

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_04]: They just play with effort now. We use the air force a lot

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_04]: If you didn't train for your PT test, right?

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_04]: And after the in this is six laps, you know, you got your mile and a half

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what it is now. They changed it, but back in our day back in the old old head day

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_04]: So mile and a half

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Mile and a half

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_04]: So after the third lap somebody gave you a gatorade and you chucked that gatorade

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_04]: And you just you look great on that fourth lap

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_04]: But you're not prepared to run the sixth lap

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's gonna look dope because you got the little surge because somebody gave you a little limo line gatorade and a cup

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_04]: That's what people was doing

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Now I'm just saying like if you if somebody just like, you know, sometimes you get people to help you

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Your co-workers come out there because you always struggle

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_04]: That's what the radars are

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_04]: You got the little joke. Somebody gave you a little cup of gatorade. The weather's nice. Yes

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a oddly warm day in november you can run around and take this test

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_04]: But when it comes down to it when laps five and six come around that cramp hits

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just it was cute for a minute. You thought you had a chance, but you're just ill prepared

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think the radars are ill prepared. So I take it that you're taking minnesota as well

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, i'm gonna take minnesota. All right. Here we go. You know

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_02]: We all in life no matter who you are

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Even mr. Logical

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_02]: We all have some kind of weak spot

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And my weak spot

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_02]: is

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_02]: crazy football coaches

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_02]: That say the wildest shit that they could get their brains to come up with

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't even look into this because I want I wanted talking about it with you because I want I knew you were going to break it down

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, what what did he what happened?

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I gotta pull this up and get the quote man. I can't even do it justice

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, but let me continue. So so, you know, we all have our weak spots

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_02]: We all make decisions that

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_02]: We aren't necessarily proud of we come back, you know after the fact and we're like, what was I thinking?

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, and that's where I find myself right now

[00:55:09] [SPEAKER_02]: picking

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_02]: The buffalo bills to go into arrowhead

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_02]: For the second year in a row

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And beating the Kansas City chiefs

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I'm just not there with Kansas City right now

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I'm torn as well

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I haven't made my mind up yet. I think I'm gonna make it up after we had this conversation

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like I'm just I'm just that's where I am right now, you know, um

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_02]: So so basically the point that he was trying to make, um, I don't want to search forever, but basically, uh

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_02]: He was trying to make the comment of the 9 11 hijackers

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Had to come together

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Discuss me just hearing it. Yes and work

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Together so well to pull this off

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_02]: So why not us?

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Is basically kind of here at coaching a team in new york state and new york state, uh, uh, uh

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I was talking to christ out of the chris, um

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_04]: And I said to him i'm like, yo he could have used seal team six as his example

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Because catching ben london for years seemed like it was impossible. Like

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_04]: That would have been a better and more useful and more relatable teamwork

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Reference analogy and he hit me back. He was like I said the same thing to my wife. He could have just used seal team six

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Why would you use?

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So so so here's here's part of the quote. So

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_02]: He the message was we need to come together

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, so some of the sources that you know, we're in this report said that

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_02]: He cited the hijackers as a group of people that were able to get on the same page to orchestrate attacks to perfection

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_02]: One by one. He started asking the players in the room

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_02]: What tactics do you think they use to come together?

[00:57:07] Oh

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yo, I do not I do not I repeat I do not want any of whatever he was smoking that day

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Man I drink

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_04]: He must have had that and I've been in some situation. I know I've crossed the line with some of the stuff

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I've said under the influence of alcohol and i'm a bit of a uh

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I could be a bit abrasive in arguments. So I know I might have pushed the boundaries

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_04]: With my you know, I might have insulted someone's intelligence from time to time. I'm not gonna lie

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I've never said anything this dumb in my life. No, like he must have had some of that legally drinking for 23 years

[00:57:54] [SPEAKER_02]: He must have had some of that font told that uh, nars wanted from hit boy on full circle, you know

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want none of that but like

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_04]: If you're gonna associate terrorism and teamwork just use cell team six

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Or pat tilman or anything else in the history of american war

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Not the 9 11

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_02]: hijackers just use israel and everybody will clap for you. Um

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It has to be better than 9 11 attackers

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So bubbler went into arrowhead last year and won 24 to 20

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_02]: That was coming off the heels of the infamous playoff game that changed the overtime rules and the bulls haven't want to play off

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Overtime game since you know, um, this is a must win for both teams. I know Kansas City is in first place

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I know that there are two games up on demver

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_02]: But the way that they've looked the last couple of weeks, you know the drop on monday night football

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Getting manhandled by green bay last week, you know, this is they have to come out

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_04]: They got out swag by green bay. Yes, they need to come out and coach, but they get definitely got out swag

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Like they play they played with a kansas city swag

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_04]: That fast enjoying love through open the middle of field and the triple coverage and the cover three

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_04]: To dobs vintage my homes

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Vintage back foot

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_04]: He out there somewhere

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, so this is the question that I have I feel that if buffalo wants them

[00:59:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Short quick passes will be there to be had

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_02]: But will josh allen take one through them. That's the question

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the question. You know, um, no our guy our guy sports reports his ordered favorite player

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Pacheco is out

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, uh, that's gonna be tough, you know and as is, you know

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Buffalo's top five in the league 4.4 yards per carry kansas city 4.3

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, um, I think that kansas city's defense

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Is good enough to keep buffalo's offense at bay

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't know with the way that kansas city, especially in the second half they uh, they are last in the league

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_02]: In fourth quarter points per game

[01:00:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And we all remember they went scoreless in that second half against miami

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_04]: They went scoreless three weeks in a row and I think they got one there you go

[01:00:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Like last week. Yeah, they they haven't looked good. I mean

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Short of like just giving a ball to kelsie as a fullback. I don't know what else you could do

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I want to pick them just because i'm picking them because just because it's arrowhead

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Right and just because like I said, like we're gonna finish up this

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Kansas city would you pick kansas city if joe burrow was coming in there this week?

[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I

[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Probably not I probably like a healthy burrow. I would pick them

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, but i'm probably gonna after this podcast finish record. I'ma turn my chair

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Grab my xbox controller play a little madden. Oh, i'm definitely getting on the sbAA 14 even guys who play

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_04]: With buffalo on madden don't throw it short

[01:01:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Like i'm not it was it's

[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_04]: As they're like, oh he has a cannon. I just played cover three

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I play cover three I spy josh allen

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And he'll roll out and he'll try to throw it deep

[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_04]: And my spy will be like all right. He's rolling out far enough and they'll the spy come down

[01:01:27] [SPEAKER_04]: And I just lurk with the safety or defensive end out the other end

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_04]: But everybody throws it deep

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Nothing across the middle. It's just deep

[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_04]: All deep shots all game fourth and one is going deep

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's like even the fans and the people who play the game take on identity josh allen's not go throw short passes

[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_04]: uh

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Kansas city gets up 10 zero

[01:01:57] [SPEAKER_04]: They they could this can biblically completely on the sideline. I don't know how violent

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Unless they've been studying the terrorist

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I don't want to say it

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Like I don't want to get this. Oh

[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_02]: at least at least at least uh

[01:02:15] [SPEAKER_02]: charmed derma didn't tell

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Josh allen you're a weapon of mass destruction act like it

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_02]: You know like he could go with that route, you know, but anyway, we're gonna move on from that

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Cancel

[01:02:29] [SPEAKER_02]: As I as I feel myself

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_02]: As I feel myself getting sick to my stomach

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel myself getting sick to my stomach deep in my bowels

[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Because i'm picking the dallas cowboys

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm picking dallas to beat philadelphia

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_02]: It's with a sad heart that I come to you like this

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Um dallas has a 14 game home winning streak

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Including six and no at home this year

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Outscoring their opponents at home this year by an average of 41 to 16

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh philadelphia like you mentioned just combobulated

[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Jalen hers just hasn't looked right all season

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, uh, they should have lost the buffalo a couple of weeks ago

[01:03:16] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, uh, they came out last week stans. Francisco just put the herd on them and

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_04]: They could be bored

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_02]: They could be they very well could be in dallas. Dallas could wake them up

[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_04]: that

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_04]: They don't

[01:03:30] [SPEAKER_04]: They know the answers to the exam

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_04]: So they're just gonna show up seeing seeing that stark wake them up

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it could wait potentially

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_04]: But dallas hasn't beaten the team with the above 500 record all year

[01:03:46] [SPEAKER_04]: And a loss to arizona early this year to give arizona their first win which knocked me out of my survival pool

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_04]: so

[01:03:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So i'm gonna get the start that's the question for me which question is going to get off to the good start because they both

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Are league leaders like you know, i'm gonna say i'm gonna say philly

[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_04]: i'm gonna say philly

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I got philly

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I trust

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I trust there to big play wide receivers

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Not that I don't think dallas wide receivers are good. I just think that what philly does offensively

[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_04]: running the ball

[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_04]: control the line of scrimmage

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Jalen hurts doesn't get too high doesn't get too low. He stays very even killed

[01:04:31] [SPEAKER_04]: the team

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Be I want to behave the team takes on that same kind of moxie

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Whereas dallas

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_04]: You can kind of see the ebbs and flows of all the emotions you see in a jerry jones

[01:04:47] [SPEAKER_04]: If they miss the field goal

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_04]: And they pan up the jerry jones in the box

[01:04:53] [SPEAKER_04]: He has like a very like visceral reaction to it

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_04]: No matter it could be in the second quarter

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_04]: They could be up seven three and they just need to kick this field go to go up ten three

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_04]: And they'll miss it. He'll do like one of these like oh like hit the desk

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_04]: You know or like somebody on the sidelines, you know, just like that whole

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_04]: the whole

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Here we go again was me kind of reaction and I don't really see that in philly

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_04]: That's why they were able because after after after the

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_04]: After buffalo went up three

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Stephon digs was doing this to the eagle sideline like your dog is a minute and 27 seconds left

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_04]: 27 seconds left and even with that you guys had a lead of three points with 13 seconds left

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Year and a half ago. So it's just like you you have to and I think for some reason

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I think there's like a lack of maturity on

[01:05:49] [SPEAKER_04]: You know in a certain situation so whereas philly has that maturity

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_04]: The coach doesn't have it at all

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_04]: But the quarterback does and I think people rally around a quarterback, you know, it sucks to be jerry jones

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_02]: You know in that way because you know, he watched philly win a super bowl

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Some years ago. He watched philly go to the super bowl last year and his arkansas razorbacks ain't been shit since

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there you go, you know, uh

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So

[01:06:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Dolphins over the titans

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I don't need to waste a lot of time on that either. You know that goes without saying

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Then monday night monday night. I got confused

[01:06:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I thought that miami in tennessee was monday night

[01:06:34] [SPEAKER_02]: But I guess it's green bay and the giants

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even have my me and tennessee written down. What's the message? Come on. Yeah, I missed I missed the water green bay and

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_02]: the giants

[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_02]: But uh, but yes, that's the monday game. Yeah, i'm going green bay, uh, but I was tempted

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_02]: To pick the giants, but I just couldn't get there. I think jordan loves on a roll. He's hitting his groove now people here love the story

[01:07:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Time to beat a local kid. He literally grew up 10 minutes from the stadium

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Getting the start

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I think people in jersey because you know

[01:07:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Giants fans know the season is over. They knew it was over when daniel jones hurt his neck and then came back

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_04]: And then went towards acl

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I knew

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Daniel jones through his first pass of the season

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I knew it was over when they didn't get st. Juan brockley 22 million dollars is like, yeah, there's that too, you know, there's

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_04]: But local kid literally from down the street from the stadium still stays at his mom's crib

[01:07:32] [SPEAKER_04]: She cooks a towel you food or whatever the case

[01:07:35] [SPEAKER_04]: So I think the giants fans is kind of like just holding on to that

[01:07:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Green bay looked very good. Matt. LaFleur seemed to get his swag back last week with his play calling

[01:07:45] [SPEAKER_04]: um

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Not sure about christian walkins with the hamstring like I said, I've never been fast enough to pull a hamstring

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_04]: So it must be terrible for your body to betray you such a way. Yeah, those uh, what those uh, uh, uh,

[01:07:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Soft tissue. Yeah, there you go. I was waiting for it. That was that was my shot

[01:08:02] [SPEAKER_04]: phrase earlier. Yeah, so

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'll say I'll take green bay. I like the way jordan loves playing

[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sick of people keep trying to compare him to Aaron rogers to make it seem like he learned so much from Aaron rogers

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Just let him be jordan love

[01:08:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. So, you know, but those are our picks for this week

[01:08:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Let us know in the comments what you agree with what you disagree with

[01:08:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go to war. Let's talk about this. You know not really go to war. I'm not on those char mcdermot shit

[01:08:30] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm just saying

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Believe all the examples me could have used the temptations the jackson fide

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_04]: You could have used nsync. You could have used any group combination ever that was successful

[01:08:44] [SPEAKER_04]: And you know, I decided to use the dudes that literally has had us in war

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_02]: next thing you know

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Next thing, you know, uh digs going to be getting up talking about

[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody sang like stuff on digs

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, so

[01:09:00] [SPEAKER_02]: As you see it on the screen it's time to talk about the thing that

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I guess mr. Logical likes so let's talk about this in season tournament

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, this is something that I heard because you know, we don't talk about LeBron a lot in our podcast

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about LeBron because he was awesome last night and go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah. No, I'm not even talking about that

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm talking about this ridiculous question that

[01:09:25] [SPEAKER_04]: If the Lakers would have win this n season tournament

[01:09:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Where does that where does that blah blah blah blah blah for LeBron?

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Jordan never had a he never wanted

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Jordan never had a I was like, oh my god. Are we are we this is what we're doing?

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I thought about last night. I thought about you actually

[01:09:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Harry's halla burton. I hear killing the eastern ground. I'm gonna get to that

[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna get to that but I was I was thinking about you last night because you know LeBron

[01:09:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Did his magical thing, you know, he had uh 35 and five

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_02]: In 23 minutes nobody has ever done that before even though why I didn't keep mentioning stuff like that

[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know because I'm sure Yoko's had a triple double that was like in like 12 minutes or something

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Luca had a triple double the other night and didn't play the fourth quarter. Yeah, and it happens

[01:10:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So so like LeBron, um

[01:10:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder I wonder

[01:10:24] [SPEAKER_02]: To some degree and I'm not questioning him as a competitor

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_02]: But I wonder if

[01:10:30] [SPEAKER_02]: He's putting so much into this n season tournament

[01:10:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Because he know they aren't going to win the real tournament

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I honestly, I don't think that's the case. I think it's just a matter of

[01:10:42] [SPEAKER_04]: They haven't even lost the game yet. I think he really likes just being better

[01:10:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Than everybody else has been in the league this entire time. He's been in the league. I think he enjoys

[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_04]: That every night since 2003

[01:11:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I've been better than most of you

[01:11:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I was waiting for you. I was about to jump on you. I was waiting. Yeah, like I mean

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Obviously he didn't come out the gate. He wasn't better. Nicole. We first had to gate

[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_04]: He wasn't better than tim duncan first out the gate

[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_04]: But when he hit his stride it was like

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just better than all of you

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_04]: And no one can really argue that like yeah, step step has has a nice little run where you got a few rings

[01:11:28] [SPEAKER_04]: No, no, no, we're not considering him for this. You know, we're not no, I'm not going I'm not going bananas, but he just

[01:11:34] [SPEAKER_04]: He's like I'm I have the most points all time most minutes all time. I'm gonna be the only I'm only due with like

[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_04]: 20 000 points 10 000 rebounds nobody has tied their shoes on the court more than me

[01:11:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody their fingernails on the court. I mean he's in he's in year 21

[01:11:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I think he just knows and look at keep mine like

[01:11:55] [SPEAKER_04]: These young dudes keep coming at them

[01:11:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Four or five years ago guys were coming at LeBron four or five six seven years ago that aren't in the league anymore

[01:12:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Or not or definitely not

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_02]: You know who's coming at LeBron

[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_02]: E-May you doka is coming at LeBron

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And he had more points his rookie year to E-May doka had his whole career. So it was like

[01:12:19] [SPEAKER_04]: He has that so it's like crying like bitches

[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_04]: And then on top of that, you know, so I think it's just one of those things where

[01:12:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I think he just really

[01:12:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Wants to just ride this out

[01:12:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Because you know what, you know

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_04]: You we got to the end of retirement

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_04]: You got to 17 18 years

[01:12:39] [SPEAKER_04]: If we were talking about what we wanted to do after like 22 years like I want to be a first sergeant

[01:12:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I want this and just like right I keep going but

[01:12:47] [SPEAKER_04]: The Air Force is like listen, we need a 14 year master sergeant to take these jobs. You guys are 18

[01:12:55] [SPEAKER_04]: 19 years when I interviewed to be a first sergeant

[01:12:59] [SPEAKER_04]: 18 19 years. I think like that it was like they took the guy who was at 16 years

[01:13:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Because they can guarantee he's gonna return on investment more return

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_04]: He's gonna get these four years me

[01:13:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I could I could click the button

[01:13:11] [SPEAKER_04]: One year after being a shirt because there's no retainability rich requirement after I hit 20

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_04]: To do a very what?

[01:13:18] [SPEAKER_04]: So they took the guy who was at 16 years, you know, so

[01:13:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I think he's looking at like yeah, I'm at 21 years in this league

[01:13:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe he plays next year and brawny gets on a team somehow

[01:13:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I was just gonna say that shout out to brawny. He's gonna play this weekend

[01:13:34] [SPEAKER_02]: You know sunday. He'll make his debut. So I'm looking forward to that

[01:13:38] [SPEAKER_02]: You know glad to see him back, you know

[01:13:40] [SPEAKER_04]: First did they move the game so that LeBron could play in the tournament and go see the game

[01:13:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know and I don't I heard something that he was like gonna miss. Yeah, he said

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he said he would miss a game to go see that but I don't give a fuck

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about basketball right now. Fuck all that. But anyway, so

[01:13:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Talk about family. I'm leaving we're talking about basketball. You talked about family

[01:14:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah

[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Reading books to my son over zoom

[01:14:07] [SPEAKER_02]: In his whole class. So I understand family like the end season tournament. Um, but I will

[01:14:14] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I will say two things, you know, according to brian samson over at forbes

[01:14:19] [SPEAKER_02]: The friday night games

[01:14:22] [SPEAKER_02]: The ratings went up 24%

[01:14:24] [SPEAKER_02]: From last season at this time

[01:14:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So, okay

[01:14:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Second thing that's substantial. It is it's very substantial. Um second thing

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_02]: is that

[01:14:36] [SPEAKER_02]: they

[01:14:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably got as perfect

[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Of a final four as they could have without manipulating anything you got LeBron james

[01:14:47] [SPEAKER_02]: You got yannis. You got tyrese hallow Burton, you know who in this tournament is averaging 28 points

[01:14:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Five boards 13 assists, you know, two stick basically two steals his parents are going nuts and the stands last night

[01:15:03] [SPEAKER_02]: That's still shooting 51 percent from the floor, you know as a point guard, you know and

[01:15:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Zion

[01:15:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know like you got the best don't sweat on brandy ingram

[01:15:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Sleepy Adam's self you got basically almost the best final four you could have got not including like, you know

[01:15:23] [SPEAKER_02]: If you would have got the warriors against the lakers or

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you would have got the defending champion nuggets or if you had a lake imagine if we had a lake herself it's final

[01:15:34] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean? Like that would just make so much sense with the history of the game

[01:15:39] [SPEAKER_04]: They would have larry bird and magic johnson at the game

[01:15:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Do an opening tip, but I still don't like it

[01:15:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm still don't like it. You know, I don't like the courts, you know, I told you last night

[01:15:49] [SPEAKER_02]: The court

[01:15:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yo, I thought mike was I thought mike was like the only one

[01:15:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I really didn't like the court and that was that like I said I was at the bar last night

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_04]: The bar owner and another guy was like man. I hate the floor

[01:16:01] [SPEAKER_04]: There's like it's just an iso like it's like it's just it's hard to watch

[01:16:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Where there's two things there's three things at play here one it just looks amateur

[01:16:11] [SPEAKER_02]: You know two

[01:16:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Half of the time I can't even tell which teams are playing because the colors don't even

[01:16:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Involve the team skate and that's what they were saying is like it's just it's hard to watch because you don't

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Like it's like it's like it's just like it's just a hard watch

[01:16:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sad that the wizards best uniforms are their tournament uniforms

[01:16:30] [SPEAKER_02]: You know and it really is and then the third the third thing is just

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I just not that is distracting

[01:16:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But it was like when I first saw Oregon's court with the trees on it

[01:16:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't like the tree. Yeah, I was like it looked off

[01:16:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it just doesn't feel right. It doesn't feel right. You know, I like their play

[01:16:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I like the

[01:16:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Fact that they did it. I like the fact that

[01:16:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I like the fact that they did something different

[01:17:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I like this different different but I

[01:17:02] [SPEAKER_04]: The colors with other teams were kind of were a little better

[01:17:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I saw some of the other games

[01:17:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't like one court. There wasn't one court that I liked

[01:17:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, what are you gonna do? Are you gonna use them again next year? Because it seems to be

[01:17:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I've talked to three or four people about these floors in particular

[01:17:21] [SPEAKER_04]: and I'm not only when it likes

[01:17:23] [SPEAKER_04]: So if that's if that's the consensus if three out of four people don't like the floor

[01:17:29] [SPEAKER_04]: And the nc's it's n season tournament is over now. You're not going to use it for the rest of this season

[01:17:35] [SPEAKER_04]: What are you gonna? Are you gonna use it next year? I mean

[01:17:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Why would imagine that you're just going to have different floors every year

[01:17:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Like like like still like the same concepts or let's be different but just something different

[01:17:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe like I guess hopefully it's easy to edit these things and maybe repaint them or if they gotta just completely buy

[01:17:56] [SPEAKER_04]: 30 new floors out of every year

[01:17:59] [SPEAKER_02]: They come out with the every year. There's like new city uniforms and there's new. They're so ugly

[01:18:04] [SPEAKER_02]: They're so they are

[01:18:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Like the ones that I don't know how they keep signing off on it

[01:18:09] [SPEAKER_02]: The ugliest ones were the best ones which were those ones that utah had the black red

[01:18:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Orange like those things were ugly, but I love them

[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know

[01:18:19] [SPEAKER_04]: The valley the cavaliers ones are are playing

[01:18:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I sound like that the fact that they're playing

[01:18:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but you should stick to the regular jersey like we don't I don't I don't need all this other stuff

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_02]: As far as the tournament itself goes the actual play on the court

[01:18:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I've seen some players saying all the right things

[01:18:40] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I've seen some players

[01:18:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Bigging it up and saying that they're enjoying it. Dame Lillard was speaking out positively about it

[01:18:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't feel that way until

[01:18:51] [SPEAKER_02]: The pacer's bucks game last night

[01:18:54] [SPEAKER_02]: That was the first time I watched the play-in tournament and was like

[01:18:58] [SPEAKER_02]: This game is intense or you know this moment or like whatever like the fourth quarter when it started

[01:19:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Milwaukee fell apart down the stretch, but it was like hey these teams want to win this thing

[01:19:08] [SPEAKER_02]: You know and then I was like so the championship is in vegas tomorrow

[01:19:13] [SPEAKER_02]: and

[01:19:14] [SPEAKER_02]: and

[01:19:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Now all these indiana fans got to try to get to vegas, you know if they want to be there

[01:19:19] [SPEAKER_02]: You know it's gonna you know the laker fans are going to be there because you know, they got the bandwagon everywhere

[01:19:23] [SPEAKER_04]: So so the main wagon and it's only it in it's only a four hour three and a half four hour drive

[01:19:28] [SPEAKER_02]: You're good. Yeah, so so you know so it's still like basically a laker home game

[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_02]: But I was tanking around with some ideas

[01:19:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I don't never come in here without some questions for you

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So I got so I got a couple of ideas

[01:19:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So what do you think if and I'm not saying I support these things

[01:19:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying that they just came into my mind because I haven't fully thought them through

[01:19:48] [SPEAKER_02]: But uh, so soccer we talked about soccer, you know, they have or football, you know

[01:19:53] [SPEAKER_02]: They have their tournaments throughout their season, you know like the premier league

[01:19:57] [SPEAKER_02]: But they still break off for like the champions league

[01:19:59] [SPEAKER_02]: They do the europa cup all that kind of stuff like that

[01:20:02] [SPEAKER_04]: So how would you break off for the euro's like european tournaments if there's yeah

[01:20:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So how would you feel if the play-in tournament was?

[01:20:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of spread out like that versus being all at one time like that

[01:20:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I like it all at one time keeps people motivated keeps people into it you get like but to me

[01:20:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm a limited series netflix

[01:20:25] [SPEAKER_04]: prime video

[01:20:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Hbo max kind of viewer. I want eight episodes

[01:20:33] [SPEAKER_04]: I want to boom boom boom boom either you give them to me you give one day at a you know

[01:20:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Once a week or you drop all eight at once like netflix normally does prime normally does like one a week

[01:20:46] [SPEAKER_04]: HBO max they do about they'll they'll drop like two or three

[01:20:51] [SPEAKER_04]: And then give you five

[01:20:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess that throws out my second question then

[01:20:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so my second question was going to be should the championship game be

[01:21:02] [SPEAKER_02]: like the last game of christmas or

[01:21:05] [SPEAKER_02]: On new years or something along those lines now give it give it to me all now

[01:21:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I want the beginning the climax in the end. I want resolution

[01:21:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And then that way we're that way we're just done with it

[01:21:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Because you know how it is with sports when you come over this new thing they try to drag it on on and on

[01:21:22] [SPEAKER_04]: like uh

[01:21:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Like the new overtime rules for

[01:21:27] [SPEAKER_04]: That got implemented last year after buffalo bills petition

[01:21:31] [SPEAKER_04]: They talked about it every single time a game went over time

[01:21:34] [SPEAKER_04]: They talked about it all year long when we get to the playoffs is the rules going to be different

[01:21:37] [SPEAKER_04]: We get to the play and like I don't think a game went into overtime in the playoffs

[01:21:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I can recall

[01:21:44] [SPEAKER_04]: But it just kind of dragged like that conversation just dragged on on and on

[01:21:48] [SPEAKER_04]: if there was an n season tournament and today

[01:21:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Was established that

[01:21:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah

[01:21:54] [SPEAKER_04]: The Lakers are going to play indiana

[01:21:56] [SPEAKER_04]: But I gotta go 18 more days of people talking about the championship for the n season tournament

[01:22:02] [SPEAKER_04]: It would just be exhausting. What do you think about?

[01:22:06] [SPEAKER_02]: or the pool play

[01:22:09] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think if there were?

[01:22:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Sites

[01:22:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So that the pool play games were

[01:22:16] [SPEAKER_02]: neutral games versus

[01:22:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Being home and away

[01:22:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So like this pool plays in la this pool plays in like whatever the home court advantage and mba games

[01:22:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Was as prominent as the home home field advantage like a college football game

[01:22:38] [SPEAKER_04]: That I would go with that like I wouldn't have say for instance the scott's football playoff

[01:22:44] [SPEAKER_04]: If it was done in these four teams and they only played the championship at a neutral location

[01:22:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I wouldn't like that because I wouldn't want

[01:22:53] [SPEAKER_04]: You know alabama, not necessarily want it, but I think the home field advantage for

[01:22:58] [SPEAKER_04]: michigan if alabama had to go to an arbor

[01:23:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Would just be I mean granted they're a talented team

[01:23:05] [SPEAKER_04]: But they have that kind of because you're not gonna get it or or if you were like or if you were like

[01:23:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Washington and you had to go play texas in louisiana

[01:23:13] [SPEAKER_04]: You know something like that

[01:23:15] [SPEAKER_04]: The answer was like it just

[01:23:18] [SPEAKER_04]: If you're gonna have this

[01:23:20] [SPEAKER_04]: This overarching tournament

[01:23:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Either you keep it as simple as possible which is we're gonna do home and away pool play

[01:23:28] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll like it in and then the championship is going to be neutral since everybody's playing home and away and all the pools

[01:23:36] [SPEAKER_04]: And then the only neutral non like the only neutral site is the changing game

[01:23:41] [SPEAKER_04]: That works because that doesn't require additional logistics

[01:23:45] [SPEAKER_02]: So so the one thing that I did like about the in season tournament is you know going back to thai reese haliburton for a second

[01:23:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I like the exposure that the younger players got, you know, I saw

[01:23:57] [SPEAKER_02]: The rockets a little bit more than I probably would have

[01:24:00] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, um, I saw

[01:24:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And and I don't know if it's just me, but I feel like the pacers are like

[01:24:06] [SPEAKER_02]: This year's version of the kings

[01:24:09] [SPEAKER_02]: You know because they ain't gonna depend nobody

[01:24:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Perfect. That's a perfect example

[01:24:16] [SPEAKER_04]: It's 2023-24 the erin fox

[01:24:20] [SPEAKER_04]: He's definitely gonna be an all-star

[01:24:22] [SPEAKER_04]: He's coming into his own

[01:24:24] [SPEAKER_04]: But they're always in trade talks from the trade deadline. They always use their players as trade fodder

[01:24:31] [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't know if the end season tournament victory over la

[01:24:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Tomorrow

[01:24:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Helps indiana as far as like gives them confidence or does it

[01:24:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Help people leverage

[01:24:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Like a trade scenario because I haven't even thought about that because I can't really find

[01:24:49] [SPEAKER_02]: A scenario that they win

[01:24:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes it could be ncda tournament style we just you just have a guy that just

[01:24:59] [SPEAKER_04]: We talk about players getting it getting the yips

[01:25:02] [SPEAKER_04]: um, and just not being able to

[01:25:05] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, we talk about some of these young guys that got drafted or shooting like 22 from three and

[01:25:11] [SPEAKER_04]: but

[01:25:12] [SPEAKER_04]: When a guy's feeling it you see those games when those guys

[01:25:17] [SPEAKER_04]: When damien litter score 71

[01:25:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Mitchell score 70 booker

[01:25:22] [SPEAKER_04]: They can they shoot that many shots all the time. They shoot like

[01:25:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Joke is when nine for 32 yesterday. So he put up 32 shots

[01:25:31] [SPEAKER_04]: On a day if he was feeling it if he would have gone

[01:25:35] [SPEAKER_04]: 22 for 32 or 24 for 32

[01:25:39] [SPEAKER_04]: With some, you know, it's mixing some free throws a couple of threes there that could be like 55 like that's probably like

[01:25:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean like 56 57 points and it's not a crazy stat line to make 22 out of 32 shots because when those guys are hot

[01:25:52] [SPEAKER_04]: That's what it is. So if you get a guy like, you know, to his help, you know

[01:25:57] [SPEAKER_04]: hella burden

[01:25:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And he's feeling it and austin rivers can't guard them and can reddish can't guard them

[01:26:05] [SPEAKER_04]: And ad can't meet him at the rim because he's in foul trouble or whatever just because miles turner stretching it out

[01:26:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Mouser and stretching for and he just gets on one

[01:26:15] [SPEAKER_04]: And he's he's running you down for like 16 in the first like just getting up to a hot start

[01:26:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Because it's not crazy people if you think about it

[01:26:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Getting the back door cut for a layup is two points

[01:26:27] [SPEAKER_04]: You get foul. That's two points. You shoot a three two points. That's three. That's four made baskets

[01:26:34] [SPEAKER_04]: The layup two free throws and one three

[01:26:37] [SPEAKER_04]: You're ready at seven points

[01:26:40] [SPEAKER_04]: If you get a good screen and you get it open you get an open look NBA players with an open look

[01:26:45] [SPEAKER_04]: And you're under and you and you're feeling it. You're feeling it this whole week

[01:26:49] [SPEAKER_04]: You're feeling the whole vibe. You're feeling the inaugural

[01:26:53] [SPEAKER_04]: You know

[01:26:53] [SPEAKER_04]: N season tournament champions if that's like the moment you're trying to catch lay at that moment you're trying to grab

[01:27:00] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I could feel I could see a guy really going off LeBron. Like I said, he's been the finals of EP four times

[01:27:05] [SPEAKER_04]: He's been in 10 NBA finals. He's been in battles in eastern conference. He's been on some of the highest

[01:27:11] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, he's been in just another cherry to put on top

[01:27:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And or it's just another game that he might get up for

[01:27:19] [SPEAKER_04]: On like a personal level like I want to go out here and ball

[01:27:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Whereas the Pacers the young team are like, yo, we want to go out here and prove something

[01:27:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm, you know, that's that's the difference

[01:27:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Right and you know shot out to the jazz, you know only because I'm watching the game right now it popped into my head

[01:27:38] [SPEAKER_02]: But uh, you know, I love going back to the Delta Center

[01:27:41] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it should have never not been the Delta Center the vivid arena. Yeah vivid arena the there was some other stuff too

[01:27:50] [SPEAKER_02]: The Kawhi Leonard with 32 at the end of three five for six from three

[01:27:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Um jazz down by 12, you know, James well 15 now James Harden just hit a three

[01:28:00] [SPEAKER_02]: But uh, yeah, so like I saw like I said, I did love the exposure

[01:28:04] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like I said, I felt I felt like I saw the Kings a lot

[01:28:07] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, which coming off of last year makes sense

[01:28:10] [SPEAKER_02]: You know the Rockets I saw a lot. I saw Cleveland a few times

[01:28:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, so they did a good job a better job, I guess

[01:28:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Of spreading the wealth than they normally do in the

[01:28:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Regular regular season schedule because I'm sure once this end season tournament is over. That's the end of Indiana

[01:28:29] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like you might see them in February or

[01:28:32] [SPEAKER_04]: More or is it a or is it a launch pad?

[01:28:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean for next year, but they but they don't flex in the NBA

[01:28:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, so maybe next year

[01:28:39] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, you might see Indiana again in February when they go to Madison Square Garden or something or

[01:28:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Are you telling me I'm having them on tv and all of that right now?

[01:28:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Like yeah, like they're not going to get the benefit of it this season

[01:28:51] [SPEAKER_02]: It'll be next year that you may see them a little bit more, you know, but hey back in July

[01:28:58] [SPEAKER_02]: right after the finals

[01:29:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Two five came here and he said the empire is falling. The warriors are over

[01:29:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I did not expect it to look like this, you know, five and six at home

[01:29:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Five and six on the road

[01:29:14] [SPEAKER_02]: consistency at least, you know, but

[01:29:16] [SPEAKER_02]: But I did not expect golden state to struggle at home

[01:29:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Especially coming off of the road games that the road record that they had last year 11 and 30. I believe if I remember correctly

[01:29:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it was a lot of hope

[01:29:31] [SPEAKER_04]: That they wouldn't struggle but they don't really like if you think about the pieces they have

[01:29:34] [SPEAKER_04]: They don't have the pieces not to struggle

[01:29:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Like they where's your threat defensively?

[01:29:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Where's the threat?

[01:29:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Like who who do you fear? Who do you not attack when you have the ball in your hand?

[01:29:47] [SPEAKER_04]: You attack every single player on the floor all day long draemon draemon's a smart defender

[01:29:54] [SPEAKER_04]: But just play him downhill

[01:29:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Collins was doing everything he can to guard

[01:30:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, next in as fast. He had trying to guard hard and sex and if he can floor in a heartbeat

[01:30:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, yeah, so like yeah, it just

[01:30:12] [SPEAKER_04]: This is it like I say multiple times

[01:30:14] [SPEAKER_04]: You just might be my new shot, you know thing was like this is a young man's game

[01:30:19] [SPEAKER_04]: eventually

[01:30:21] [SPEAKER_04]: In a game the 15 at the gym

[01:30:25] [SPEAKER_04]: What bounce passes and cuts and screens? Yeah

[01:30:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Me you and some other, you know some 35 year olds maybe 127 year old

[01:30:33] [SPEAKER_04]: We might be able to get a couple of wins

[01:30:36] [SPEAKER_04]: But if you get some kids out there that just 19 years old and they get every rebound and just run

[01:30:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yo, that was the worst like being five foot nine

[01:30:44] [SPEAKER_02]: You know when I was in arizona and I hit like

[01:30:48] [SPEAKER_02]: 37

[01:30:49] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we would go play and they go, yo, you got him and i'm like I got the point guard

[01:30:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I got the 17 year old kids. Yeah, it's like yeah, you're the shortest one and it's like

[01:30:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Damn it. I mean it helped me stay in shape. But still yeah, I'ma stock you do

[01:31:03] [SPEAKER_04]: So I was like, yo, I got big man

[01:31:05] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I take the man and he'll he'll had a height on me

[01:31:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean he'll had a height on me, but i'm like, so

[01:31:11] [SPEAKER_04]: You're gonna get all this all of this form. See all this

[01:31:16] [SPEAKER_04]: You know that you hit the time

[01:31:18] [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, so like right now, it's a young man's game. Well, it doesn't help your old play

[01:31:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it doesn't help that clay, you know, we saw how the warriors went out against the Lakers last year

[01:31:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And clay tomson has basically continued that he's shooting

[01:31:33] [SPEAKER_02]: 39.7 from the floor not from three from the floor

[01:31:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's shooting 34.8 from three

[01:31:42] [SPEAKER_04]: So the loyal third loyalty is a gift in the curse the loyalty kept it together and they won

[01:31:50] [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of rings. I mean, I might have played a lot of big games

[01:31:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I might have kept Jordan pool and told drabon to hit the bricks

[01:31:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but if you see how Jordan pools acting out in Washington is like

[01:32:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, yeah, he's in Washington. He wouldn't act like that in golden state

[01:32:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's intrinsic

[01:32:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's who you are. I think it is

[01:32:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Some people like everybody isn't wired like

[01:32:13] [SPEAKER_02]: But when you're losing that's the shit that like you said like, you know, you what you said before you said something along the lines of

[01:32:20] [SPEAKER_02]: They say money changes you but it just makes you more of who you are who you are. Yeah, you know

[01:32:25] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what losing does when you're winning everybody's chill. Everything's good besides the fact that you got punched in the face

[01:32:31] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know

[01:32:33] [SPEAKER_02]: But for the most part but for the most part everything is good winning cures everything

[01:32:38] [SPEAKER_02]: You put these guys on these teams like the wizards that are like three and 17 or something like that right now

[01:32:44] [SPEAKER_02]: He don't know how to act like he's never been through that before

[01:32:48] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, especially when it's one thing when you get drafted

[01:32:51] [SPEAKER_02]: To a team like that you have a certain frustration that you have to get over

[01:32:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But he won a title and then

[01:32:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but I don't think I don't think it's a frustration thing. I think it's a matter of like it's an investment

[01:33:03] [SPEAKER_04]: He just I don't think yeah, I think he's immature. I think he just hasn't

[01:33:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Hasn't worked on his craft

[01:33:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I just I just feel like he is

[01:33:14] [SPEAKER_04]: He plays basketball because he's on a basketball team

[01:33:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Just because he just that's what he does. Yeah, he just can

[01:33:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Just he just happens to be able to play basketball

[01:33:25] [SPEAKER_04]: so if

[01:33:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Say for instance say watch then cut him

[01:33:31] [SPEAKER_04]: At the end of this season

[01:33:32] [SPEAKER_04]: You think he's gonna be out here trying hard working out, you know trying to prove to the next team

[01:33:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I know he he's gonna tell somebody just give me he just go and go to like somebody's training camp and say just give me the

[01:33:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Rock

[01:33:47] [SPEAKER_04]: That would just go get a reality tv show

[01:33:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yo, these in season this in season tournament is so wild, you know, like the Pacers we were talking about the Pacers

[01:33:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Made the final haven't lost the game yet

[01:34:01] [SPEAKER_02]: In the tournament

[01:34:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And their overall record is 12 and 8

[01:34:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it makes no sense

[01:34:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It makes no sense, you know, um

[01:34:12] [SPEAKER_02]: No, so the suns they get up they get up for it. You know, all the suns were complaining about

[01:34:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I called the other night. Did you see that time? I'll call it was yeah, which was bullshit. It was bullshit

[01:34:25] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, um

[01:34:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's one of those things that

[01:34:29] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a superstar call

[01:34:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it I think it falls under the file of superstar call

[01:34:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that if it was cam reddish trying to call the time out trying to call the time out

[01:34:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't think that goes down that game. We're in it. Yeah, I don't think it goes down that same way

[01:34:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I remember I was watching it

[01:34:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Because were we recording? I think we might have just finished. Yeah, I think we just finished

[01:34:52] [SPEAKER_04]: It was in the fourth quarter when we were wrapping up. Yeah, but I keep the iPad here

[01:34:58] [SPEAKER_04]: On mute. So, you know, same thing with the tv just for background ambiance. I have the live games on the iPad

[01:35:04] [SPEAKER_04]: and I seen it so after

[01:35:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh goody

[01:35:09] [SPEAKER_04]: After I after we finished the recording

[01:35:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I just left it on I was like kind of cleaning up getting settled for bed

[01:35:15] [SPEAKER_04]: And I seen it happen

[01:35:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And then I seen coach's challenge and I realized like I knew even with the with the sound off what was happening

[01:35:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Because it looked like one of situations where

[01:35:28] [SPEAKER_04]: You were expecting a timeout call that didn't happen

[01:35:34] [SPEAKER_04]: And

[01:35:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, he didn't have the ball you can't have you can't call a timeout during a loose ball

[01:35:40] [SPEAKER_04]: But then grace now and I'm maybe he would have charged the ball

[01:35:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Definitely if the whistle didn't blow because I like I said I didn't have the sound

[01:35:45] [SPEAKER_04]: It looked like when he touched the balls on the line already

[01:35:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, one thing that I didn't expect this season

[01:35:54] [SPEAKER_02]: We knew they weren't going to be good

[01:35:56] [SPEAKER_02]: We knew they weren't going to meet the playoffs

[01:35:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I did not have the spurs going through a 16 game losing streak

[01:36:05] [SPEAKER_04]: They're awful

[01:36:08] [SPEAKER_04]: And like I don't know what

[01:36:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Now that you and I are fellow hosts. I'm gonna say co-hosts like my boy we're fellow hosts

[01:36:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Did you and I

[01:36:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Didn't say anything

[01:36:26] [SPEAKER_04]: About victor and bin yama

[01:36:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Being a bust if his career ends up like kevin durant. Did you hear people say that?

[01:36:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I've heard that I've heard that

[01:36:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I've heard that he's the best prospect since lebron jeans. I've heard that I heard the same about imani baits at one point

[01:36:44] [SPEAKER_02]: But i'm like i'm looking at the games

[01:36:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, I know i'm not a scout

[01:36:50] [SPEAKER_04]: But he doesn't move

[01:36:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Like so

[01:36:56] [SPEAKER_04]: like incredible that

[01:36:59] [SPEAKER_04]: He can't be guarded

[01:37:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Like lebron looked like a man amongst boys

[01:37:05] [SPEAKER_02]: He keeps trying to shoot threes and because he has a shooter

[01:37:10] [SPEAKER_04]: He has no strength to battle through

[01:37:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Like horton tuckers probably me. He looks 40, but he's only like quite strange

[01:37:17] [SPEAKER_04]: But some of these guys just saw it like he can't fight through

[01:37:22] [SPEAKER_04]: kawaii Leonard

[01:37:24] [SPEAKER_04]: But I am happy with can't fight through he can't even fight through chelon grint

[01:37:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I am happy with uh

[01:37:32] [SPEAKER_02]: His former teammate that the wizards drafted

[01:37:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Kula bali. I am you know, I like what I see there. I see some potential

[01:37:41] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I don't know how far it can go

[01:37:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I like the team world at 17 and four

[01:37:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I definitely like that, you know, like definitely, you know, because I mean last year people forget, you know cat missed half the season

[01:37:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And so people said, you know, the experiment didn't work, you know having the two big men

[01:37:59] [SPEAKER_02]: We don't know because cat wasn't there

[01:38:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[01:38:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't know how it doesn't work because cats are three-point shooter. He literally won the three-point contest

[01:38:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's not he can stress the floor. Yeah, he's not in go bear space go bear has the whole floor to himself

[01:38:15] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, uh, okay

[01:38:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, see

[01:38:22] [SPEAKER_04]: You know the second we thought they were we thought they would be good because like we talked about before it's a young man's game

[01:38:30] [SPEAKER_02]: with the 38 tonight

[01:38:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Just putting on it was he was he was putting on

[01:38:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Golden state because it was like

[01:38:39] [SPEAKER_04]: He got to that point where he realized

[01:38:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, none of you can guard me. So he was making his moves

[01:38:45] [SPEAKER_04]: He would get just outside the paint like I said that game was on we first started the podcast

[01:38:49] [SPEAKER_04]: He'd get right outside the paint and he'd give them the

[01:38:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Like the jab step

[01:38:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Or like he the snatch back and he'd have eight feet of clearance. So he was snatched the ball back literally

[01:39:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And lined up. He's at eight feet from the hoop 10 feet from the hoop. He's like he snatched it back

[01:39:07] [SPEAKER_04]: but the defender

[01:39:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Was way up under the hoop. So he had plenty of time to just be like

[01:39:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, see it's just like, um new orleans

[01:39:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Where

[01:39:19] [SPEAKER_02]: They made they made it to the semi finals of the play in

[01:39:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And I know cj. McCallum missed some time

[01:39:27] [SPEAKER_02]: But they're 12 and 11

[01:39:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Like did you only prepare for the in season tournament and

[01:39:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Just I don't think that team. I don't think they're cohesive enough. I don't think they're I don't think they have leadership

[01:39:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I think

[01:39:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I think the players question the dudes who's supposed to be their de facto leaders

[01:39:46] [SPEAKER_04]: So if you look at cj. McCallum, he is the old head. So he's a seasoned vet

[01:39:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think he likes the work ethic of the younger players

[01:39:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, he remembered he was sending shots last year

[01:40:01] [SPEAKER_04]: At the end of last year and people thought it was like maybe at zion

[01:40:05] [SPEAKER_04]: But then I heard other reports that it was

[01:40:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Directed with brandy eagerness. Yeah, that's what I thought it wouldn't play with like

[01:40:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my wrist hurts. He wouldn't just tape it up and go play. You know zion is just the story

[01:40:18] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's the big name, you know what I mean? But yeah, I thought it was beyond the whole time

[01:40:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought it was I thought it was uh

[01:40:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Zion when I first heard it

[01:40:27] [SPEAKER_04]: but through different like little

[01:40:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Outlets that we watch between podcasts on first things first espn

[01:40:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Like they're they were getting reports that it was

[01:40:38] [SPEAKER_04]: No

[01:40:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Directed towards brandy eagerness because he just wouldn't play through little things. He wouldn't play my finger

[01:40:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Like we'll tape it to the pinky and let's just go play get on out here

[01:40:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Kobe finger wasn't even attached to the rest of his hand

[01:40:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Kobe finger got dislocated

[01:40:53] [SPEAKER_04]: On a file he goes to the bench

[01:40:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Gets it popped back into place and shoots the free throws

[01:40:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, oh

[01:40:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I met my one of my co-workers uh old co-workers

[01:41:05] [SPEAKER_02]: husbands the other day

[01:41:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And he was on that, you know what I mean? Like he was like yo like

[01:41:11] [SPEAKER_02]: You know like I just took the bench made and pulled my wisdom teeth out

[01:41:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was just like

[01:41:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Now I'm not doing that on purpose. But yeah, some people have just built like that some people just built like that, you know

[01:41:25] [SPEAKER_04]: But uh, but how about my rocket? You could be unique. You could be unique

[01:41:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't need to be unique with you

[01:41:31] [SPEAKER_02]: How about my rocket sitting at 10 and nine knocking out the nuggets out of the play in tournament

[01:41:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know and before the season started I tried to warn you mr. Logical. Did I not try to warn you?

[01:41:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I told you that Orlando was coming

[01:41:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I told you they were coming

[01:41:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm impressed they won out in a row at one point, you know beat boston

[01:41:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, obviously i'm not sitting up here trying to make the case that they're a contender or anything like that

[01:42:01] [SPEAKER_02]: But but you know, but um, I had him getting into the play in you know, they might get a you know

[01:42:06] [SPEAKER_02]: They might actually get in without the play in

[01:42:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Still early though still early still early still early, but you know, you are who you are

[01:42:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Get the bulls in a nine and 14

[01:42:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Never see the turn around like the bulls as soon as I said that billy donovan

[01:42:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Needed to be fired. I feel like the bulls won like three in a row after I said that and then

[01:42:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's thousand five in their last ten games. Yeah, zach levine is out, you know for another three to four weeks

[01:42:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I saw earlier

[01:42:35] [SPEAKER_02]: so

[01:42:35] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see what happens with that. He's not coming back to play for the bulls

[01:42:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so either. I don't think so either toronto's looked a lot better and competitive than I thought they would

[01:42:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought they were gonna have some things to figure out, you know, because scottie barns is like the de facto

[01:42:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Is about with the troy. I haven't really followed them up be honest. I know I was

[01:42:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm a you know a co-host

[01:42:57] [SPEAKER_02]: They are young they are young and to steal what you said about the pelicans

[01:43:03] [SPEAKER_02]: There just isn't a lot of cohesion there like kade cunningham has looked good

[01:43:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But he's a turnover machine

[01:43:10] [SPEAKER_02]: You know jade and ivy, you know doesn't see a shot that he doesn't want to take

[01:43:15] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, um the big men, you know don't have depth. So

[01:43:20] [SPEAKER_02]: durin is good

[01:43:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Isaiah steward is good

[01:43:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And then after that you got like baggy

[01:43:29] [SPEAKER_02]: James wise men, you know, so they don't have depth in the front court

[01:43:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Top picks. Yeah, these guys are the top three picks. Yep. And you know, uh, what was it?

[01:43:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Bagley went before luke something like that

[01:43:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Bagley went before luke and i was very young

[01:43:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah

[01:43:47] [SPEAKER_04]: So that was one of remember that callin cowherd clip that I seen you have like him 23 minutes of being wrong

[01:43:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that was one of the things

[01:43:56] [SPEAKER_04]: But uh, but yeah, it's gonna be like luke who he literally said luke who

[01:44:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think I think that kade cunningham obviously

[01:44:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Coming off the injury last year where he only played 12 games. I think he's just had a one live running. Yeah, sorry

[01:44:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I they just he

[01:44:15] [SPEAKER_02]: He's still finding himself in certain ways, you know, because in college

[01:44:19] [SPEAKER_02]: He was the point guard primarily primarrow primary ball handler

[01:44:24] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, but now at the mba level

[01:44:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Can he consistently do that, you know, because he's not overly athletic

[01:44:32] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, so like

[01:44:34] [SPEAKER_04]: How difficult really like I get that it's a tough sport for regular people to play

[01:44:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm five foot eight and a half five nine on a good day

[01:44:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Five ten in my temps

[01:44:45] [SPEAKER_04]: um

[01:44:46] [SPEAKER_04]: But for like regular like you're a six foot eight point guard

[01:44:52] [SPEAKER_04]: After a couple after a year in the league

[01:44:55] [SPEAKER_04]: You got like what are you what are you doing? How are you not adjusting la mella ball

[01:45:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Was five foot eight in high school. He blew into like, you know, group like six foot eight

[01:45:06] [SPEAKER_04]: He was playing in lip the wania

[01:45:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Australia

[01:45:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Ohio and australia and he came into the league and off the rip

[01:45:13] [SPEAKER_04]: He was killing it like either you have it or you don't

[01:45:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think it's a lot of situations where you look at a guy and you think potential

[01:45:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And I remember hearing this like potential such a dangerous word. It's like nah, like either they you got it or you don't

[01:45:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, either you're either you're a good coach or you're not

[01:45:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Either you clear you have can do what you need them to do or they can't

[01:45:38] [SPEAKER_04]: And if they can't you got to make moves to figure out like why are you here?

[01:45:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Who do I got a good in here to do the job you're supposed to do

[01:45:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I can't keep waiting on you to do

[01:45:49] [SPEAKER_04]: We all see how the game's supposed to be played

[01:45:52] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not difficult. I mean they lost by people who are on that level. They lost by 32 tonight

[01:46:00] [SPEAKER_04]: How do you lose by 32

[01:46:02] [SPEAKER_04]: This spreads most of these games are like six and a half five and a half

[01:46:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Like even the gamblers aren't suspect you to get blown out. Like, how are you getting blown out?

[01:46:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I just think uh, brooklyn, uh blew somebody out tonight

[01:46:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm looking at the scores right now

[01:46:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, brooklyn blew out my wizards by 27

[01:46:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's just

[01:46:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean the jazz are down by 18 right now, you know, uh

[01:46:33] [SPEAKER_04]: They're seven and 14. Yeah, dallas is up on how to clip was 10 and 10 like

[01:46:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Because they went and got a dude that don't fit in

[01:46:42] [SPEAKER_04]: You know just it doesn't even look cool

[01:46:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like it doesn't like as I sit back and look at it. It was like five years ago

[01:46:51] [SPEAKER_02]: We in there like you know, this is like the next dynasty

[01:46:55] [SPEAKER_04]: It looks like uh

[01:46:58] [SPEAKER_04]: because right okay paul george's brought the ball up

[01:47:01] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[01:47:03] [SPEAKER_04]: He was looking around

[01:47:05] [SPEAKER_04]: And then he just like

[01:47:06] [SPEAKER_04]: gave it to

[01:47:07] [SPEAKER_04]: James harden and james harden tried to give it to koai, you know his little file occurred

[01:47:12] [SPEAKER_04]: But it just doesn't look fluid. It looks like they're just kind of

[01:47:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Waiting

[01:47:18] [SPEAKER_04]: For james harden to make a move so they give him the ball

[01:47:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. I'm just not a I'm not a big fan of this of these stacked. I need to go look at uh

[01:47:28] [SPEAKER_02]: One of those like ladders like I wonder who the

[01:47:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Rookie of the year is right now

[01:47:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Shit

[01:47:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess it would have to be but

[01:47:40] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, uh because I was thinking about that earlier, you know brandy miller, you know of

[01:47:46] [SPEAKER_02]: You know

[01:47:47] [SPEAKER_02]: misdological

[01:47:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Shit on him fame

[01:47:51] [SPEAKER_02]: You know averaging 14 points

[01:47:54] [SPEAKER_02]: shooting 39 percent from three

[01:47:56] [SPEAKER_04]: From three. Yeah

[01:47:59] [SPEAKER_04]: 39 from 345 from the floor. I just didn't think he had passion in his face

[01:48:04] [SPEAKER_04]: It just didn't look like a person who had a lot of like

[01:48:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I think he's in the way he played the way he played in the tournament the way he played ncda tournament and how he transitioned that to just this

[01:48:16] [SPEAKER_04]: same robot like

[01:48:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Blah like he's the robot version of kevin durant like, you know durant talks about

[01:48:26] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, i'm a baller. This is what I do. This is my life brandy miller feels all of that. He just doesn't express it

[01:48:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I don't need you get kevin durant points. I need you right here in 26

[01:48:40] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the mellows hurt every year, you know, so

[01:48:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I don't like is it time for charlie to move on from him just because he can't stay helpful

[01:48:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I would just because I think you can get some pieces for him

[01:48:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think you probably you could probably get a couple pieces. I'm not saying like

[01:48:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he's a kid player years away from being like

[01:49:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Because you're gonna have to pay him a lot. He's gonna generate a lot of money. I think they already I thought they already paid him

[01:49:07] [SPEAKER_04]: No, i'm talking about like that not the rookie extension. I don't think he got the rookie extension yet

[01:49:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought he did

[01:49:13] [SPEAKER_04]: If he did it's probably close to it's close to 200 million

[01:49:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought I thought he did maybe i'm wrong. Yeah five year 260

[01:49:25] [SPEAKER_04]: So the mellow ball is a 260 million dollar contract. He definitely is

[01:49:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, that's that's crazy

[01:49:32] [SPEAKER_02]: That is guaranteed

[01:49:35] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, but I need to get my son out here to like these people that stretch your legs or whatever it is, you know, like uh

[01:49:42] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, because he's he's running a 4 3 40

[01:49:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, he touching the rim, you know, he's like the same height as me. So

[01:49:50] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we gotta get him somewhere. But you know, I think that yoga

[01:49:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that the mba to me

[01:49:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Outside like I said outside of the as we got closer to the knockout or when we got in the knockout round and all that

[01:50:04] [SPEAKER_02]: The n season tournament didn't feel any different than any other mba year to me

[01:50:09] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it just looked different because of the courts and all that other stuff. The viewership ramped up

[01:50:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the viewership ramped up because you did marketing

[01:50:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because I think it didn't look different to you because you didn't want it

[01:50:21] [SPEAKER_04]: to like

[01:50:23] [SPEAKER_02]: You didn't care for it like so so for example, for example, we talked or we didn't talk about it on here, but you know

[01:50:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Listen here, hold on real quick on the espn. It says paces lakers championship preview

[01:50:38] [SPEAKER_02]: But in real life

[01:50:40] [SPEAKER_02]: in real life

[01:50:42] [SPEAKER_02]: We talked about dallas

[01:50:44] [SPEAKER_02]: 30-oh run

[01:50:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And still lost the game

[01:50:48] [SPEAKER_02]: That would have been awesome if that was in the n season tournament

[01:50:53] [SPEAKER_02]: That would have been a moment that would have been like you always talk about

[01:50:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Where's your playoff moments or like where's your you know when you're talking about players?

[01:51:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So that would have been great on the n season tournament, you know, um because realistically

[01:51:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Like are there any moments to you that stood out in the n season tournament that you could just

[01:51:13] [SPEAKER_02]: vividly be like

[01:51:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh

[01:51:17] [SPEAKER_02]: The only thing I can think of is the timeout that we talked about

[01:51:19] [SPEAKER_04]: The timeout the floor I think the way the lakers played throughout it

[01:51:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I think you know as the bra being the you know pseudo ambassador of the league as the

[01:51:31] [SPEAKER_02]: You know the elder but that's no different than what he did last year though. Yeah, but

[01:51:36] [SPEAKER_04]: They just weren't remember the year remember the playing remember the playing year that he said he hated to play in but then

[01:51:43] [SPEAKER_04]: They played he was going to stay

[01:51:46] [SPEAKER_04]: He had hurt his eye and he was like I just shot for the middle one or whatever. Yeah

[01:51:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Those are the kind of like little moments you kind of get you're not gonna get it's not

[01:51:55] [SPEAKER_02]: All you know, he's oh, yeah, no, he was just he was just trying to sound cool. That's what that was

[01:52:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, liberal. I always try to sound cool

[01:52:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I like you know I'm saying just like these courts, you know looking like

[01:52:09] [SPEAKER_02]: A bad

[01:52:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Mad 2020

[01:52:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I think the courts are something that people kind of I think that'll make people remember because I think it's smart because right now

[01:52:19] [SPEAKER_02]: No, but I'm talking about actual on the court basketball. I ain't talking about the aesthetics and all that stuff like that. I'm talking about

[01:52:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Like actual basketball on the floor

[01:52:28] [SPEAKER_04]: But that's the thing the tournament is it's not different basketball and it's not a finality

[01:52:34] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not like the nfl playoffs where it's running run

[01:52:38] [SPEAKER_04]: And you need a moment for it to like

[01:52:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Resonate going forward. They still have the rest of the season left

[01:52:44] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's not like it's not like they can do anything other than just play regular basketball

[01:52:50] [SPEAKER_04]: That's what I'm saying for the Milwaukee, Indiana game. I think the Milwaukee, Indiana was legit

[01:52:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I think having Indiana as one of your teams because you can already market

[01:53:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Milwaukee, you can already market la you can already market the clippers you can already market

[01:53:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Dallas and all these other teams that have stars

[01:53:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Being able to highlight one of these like me. We talked about a lot of our small market conversations

[01:53:16] [SPEAKER_04]: the

[01:53:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Embracing a new format conversation and it works

[01:53:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Because the players played hard. Yes, you're not gonna you might not get the buzzer beaters

[01:53:26] [SPEAKER_04]: You're not going to get the NCAA tournament level

[01:53:30] [SPEAKER_04]: You know responses because it's not the finality their year isn't over

[01:53:35] [SPEAKER_04]: So you're not gonna get the same thing whereas pepper don playing against, you know, Texas longhorns

[01:53:42] [SPEAKER_04]: They're gonna give you everything because pepper don if they tech like Texas up. They're on to

[01:53:47] [SPEAKER_04]: The round of 32

[01:53:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, whereas here is just like you just don't get to go to vegas

[01:53:52] [SPEAKER_03]: right

[01:53:53] [SPEAKER_04]: You get that day off whereas lebron and the lakers and india

[01:53:58] [SPEAKER_04]: You know

[01:54:01] [SPEAKER_02]: It's hard for me to get excited about watching rich dudes getting more money

[01:54:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean we do it every day and that's why they get so much money because we're talking about it with biann

[01:54:11] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I know but I'm just saying with that was that must be 40 dollars and they went to some falcons player

[01:54:16] [SPEAKER_02]: With that being the prize. It's just like, okay, like uh, so what if what if the prize was like a

[01:54:26] [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of re-pick I was ready to disagree with whatever you said

[01:54:37] I

[01:54:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Was already thinking like

[01:54:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Already like yeah, I admit it. That's the flaw of mine. I'm not working on it

[01:54:46] [SPEAKER_04]: But that's the flaw that I have

[01:54:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not working on it, but I was like he gonna say something. I'll be like nope. Oh like it

[01:54:53] [SPEAKER_04]: uh

[01:54:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how you make it work

[01:54:56] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know just something to I was just something that I like I said popped into my head

[01:55:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Or if you're not in the lottery

[01:55:05] [SPEAKER_04]: You get balls in the lottery because it's the line something. Yeah teams

[01:55:10] [SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, so the only problem with that you get half of say like there's

[01:55:16] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's a hundred. It's a hundred. Uh, so it's 14 teams

[01:55:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Say the the 14 team has

[01:55:24] [SPEAKER_04]: 20 balls

[01:55:25] [SPEAKER_04]: In the lottery

[01:55:27] [SPEAKER_04]: You get 10

[01:55:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can see that because I mean like you know, I mean obviously that goes

[01:55:36] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a certain way to look at that because if the Lakers win

[01:55:39] [SPEAKER_02]: You know LeBron's not trying to get

[01:55:42] [SPEAKER_02]: You know Steph Castle or

[01:55:45] [SPEAKER_02]: You know dawn of then clinging or anybody like that out of college

[01:55:48] [SPEAKER_02]: She's just gonna trade them anyway or get them traded anyway

[01:55:50] [SPEAKER_04]: So well, if you have a lottery picked now you got trade bait. Yeah, there you go. I guess there you go

[01:55:55] [SPEAKER_04]: So that that's it. So like I said, I mean, it's not crazy because the MLB all-star game

[01:56:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Used to decide the real series were a series, you know, home field of home field advantage

[01:56:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that this in season tournament can have

[01:56:12] [SPEAKER_04]: That level of impact. Yeah

[01:56:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Because then it to make sense they can have their money, but I would like for it to have something

[01:56:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Consequential basketball wise

[01:56:24] [SPEAKER_02]: You know like some kind of basketball reward

[01:56:28] [SPEAKER_04]: If you're the last in your group, you lose your first round you lose your second round traffic

[01:56:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Something, you know, because I mean like if you play somebody think about it like if the Lakers win

[01:56:38] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like you got LeBron, ad and whoever else, you know

[01:56:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Guys like Troy Troy Vincent. Here I go guys like guys like Gabe Vincent will

[01:56:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Take that $500,000

[01:56:53] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean, but

[01:56:55] [SPEAKER_02]: LeBron Anthony Davis don't need that, you know

[01:56:57] [SPEAKER_04]: This is three years

[01:56:59] [SPEAKER_04]: 48 million dollar contract. I think it was three years 33 million

[01:57:03] [SPEAKER_04]: 39 33 something like that. Yeah, it was something like that, you know what I mean?

[01:57:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So the 500,000 will probably be like

[01:57:09] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, he would like that and max christie would like that to be 218,000

[01:57:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Lexes, you know max christie could use that money, you know, but

[01:57:20] [SPEAKER_02]: um

[01:57:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I just I just think that the money just

[01:57:24] [SPEAKER_04]: To me it just takes away from it, you know, I don't think the money incentivizes players to get

[01:57:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think that amount of money makes players want to give the NBA like a greater product

[01:57:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Right. I think I think the NBA just has to put things in place

[01:57:40] [SPEAKER_04]: to just

[01:57:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Create a situation where they present a better product

[01:57:45] [SPEAKER_04]: So if people don't like the floor

[01:57:48] [SPEAKER_04]: You get rid of the floor

[01:57:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I think people like the pool play like whatever the group play

[01:57:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I like using the floor because you could tell if it's an n-season game

[01:58:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think the obnoxiousness of the floor

[01:58:04] [SPEAKER_04]: does uh enhance

[01:58:07] [SPEAKER_04]: You know if people desire to

[01:58:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Suspectate it feels real. I can't believe dremon file

[01:58:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I know it feels real arena league to me

[01:58:20] [SPEAKER_02]: You know the courts like it just feels

[01:58:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I get it though because you know, you have to do something to stand out and

[01:58:29] [SPEAKER_02]: To differentiate it from

[01:58:31] [SPEAKER_02]: The regular season even though the basketball doesn't necessarily look different or whatever

[01:58:36] [SPEAKER_02]: You have to do something to make it feel different and feel bigger

[01:58:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Feel more important. So so, you know, like I said is from a marketing standpoint

[01:58:45] [SPEAKER_02]: It's genius

[01:58:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't knock it. It's just not for me

[01:58:49] [SPEAKER_04]: We've been talking about it for like 25 28 minutes

[01:58:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think a lot of people talk about it. I'm not talking about it as far as anybody's legacy

[01:58:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's the stretch

[01:58:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's new

[01:59:02] [SPEAKER_02]: What if like, you know, I don't know say the Pacers win right?

[01:59:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And then it's involved. No, no, no just say the Pacers win

[01:59:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And then they win the next two as well

[01:59:14] [SPEAKER_02]: They're the end season beast man. Yeah, like there's there's no legacy there's

[01:59:21] [SPEAKER_04]: It's what what it is is

[01:59:25] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a

[01:59:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Season defining moment like it could divine your season

[01:59:31] [SPEAKER_04]: This tournament and if you can't uphold a guy like Tyrese

[01:59:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Halliburton to

[01:59:39] [SPEAKER_04]: He could get in that De'Aaron Fox realm

[01:59:41] [SPEAKER_02]: He can get in that this tournament tomorrow

[01:59:44] [SPEAKER_02]: This championship game tomorrow night Jerry Rice the Sun's going to NFL draft

[01:59:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, he's not currently ranked in the top 10. Yeah, he's I mean, yeah

[01:59:59] [SPEAKER_02]: This championship championship game tomorrow

[02:00:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Has the potential to settle the goat debate once and for all

[02:00:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god, like I've heard that and it makes no sense

[02:00:11] [SPEAKER_01]: But what makes no sense

[02:00:14] [SPEAKER_02]: What makes no sense is that

[02:00:17] [SPEAKER_02]: It's 12 40 a.m up in jersey right now

[02:00:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Straight up. Hey, listen, I did my homework before I left work

[02:00:24] [SPEAKER_04]: So I had nothing to worry about master's degree almost none two classes

[02:00:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Left to go how let your boy. Yes, sir. I'll be grinding people

[02:00:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Get your schooling

[02:00:37] [SPEAKER_02]: schooling, you know working

[02:00:40] [SPEAKER_02]: parenting

[02:00:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Do it

[02:00:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm doing all of that

[02:00:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm doing all of that and you can do it too. Listen. Go out there get your education. Have a good time

[02:00:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I want to shout out a good friend of mine. We were at dinner last night and I want to give Micah's flowers

[02:01:00] [SPEAKER_04]: We were talking and she was like your podcast is really good. She literally said she was like

[02:01:06] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like Jalen and Jacoby

[02:01:09] [SPEAKER_04]: She's like at first I wasn't I wasn't sure if I was gonna listen because you know, everyone says they have it

[02:01:13] [SPEAKER_04]: She's like, I don't know how you guys do it. She's like, I could never do it

[02:01:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I could never just record myself and just put it out there and in and she's like what you guys do

[02:01:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Really well. I'm like, well, because this is how me and micah talked for years

[02:01:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's crazy because like little known fact

[02:01:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like the shyest dude in the world

[02:01:32] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like but you would never know it like I'm just you present him with a debatable topic

[02:01:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Not just sports if the topic has a pro and a con

[02:01:43] [SPEAKER_04]: presented to mic

[02:01:45] [SPEAKER_04]: at a Hooters

[02:01:47] [SPEAKER_04]: With some spicy shrimp in front of them and it's on

[02:01:51] [SPEAKER_04]: It's on the side his whole thing started so

[02:01:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, yeah, man people just go after like I said, I had to hold down tom brady amongst the sea of Peyton Manning fans

[02:02:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I cannot believe like how

[02:02:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Stunched I was in my Peyton Manning argument. I was like locked in this is like I said, this is summer 2013

[02:02:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And we were in Denver. This is when he had just gone to Denver

[02:02:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Is like I was in I was into the Peyton Manning like yeah

[02:02:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And I mean we were arguing like you know, they came over there with wings and burgers

[02:02:28] [SPEAKER_02]: That's how I got the name two five. That's how you got the name five

[02:02:32] [SPEAKER_04]: It was four of us at the table. He had a different opinion than everybody else. I'm like, all right two five

[02:02:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he just took off from there. You know, 25 percent of the table. He was like he's like the reams my coat

[02:02:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like who is this dude? Who brought

[02:02:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I

[02:02:48] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I have to admit I have to admit with the hands of the cool practice dude. I have to admit

[02:02:54] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, not that you know, we're gonna wrap this up. I ain't gonna get into a goat conversation

[02:02:59] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, I am truly shocked

[02:03:02] [SPEAKER_02]: That more people don't have magic Johnson as the goat

[02:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm truly shocked about it. You know not saying that I think he is the goat because obviously I don't but

[02:03:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just shocked that

[02:03:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe maybe he's just too far gone now, you know, like we're so we're in 2023 now

[02:03:19] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we're 30 years past his heyday. So maybe that's why but but I'm just so shocked that his name isn't

[02:03:26] [SPEAKER_02]: In that conversation more or like when we talk about quarterbacks, you know, we talk about Peyton man

[02:03:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And we talk about Tom Brady, you know, um,

[02:03:35] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, my dance outs you you

[02:03:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Like to pull out the machete and hack away at Joe Montana, you know, and I don't hack away at Joe Montana

[02:03:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I just try to keep it

[02:03:49] [SPEAKER_02]: How could the LeBron fan

[02:03:51] [SPEAKER_02]: How can the LeBron fan not appreciate John Elway?

[02:04:00] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not that I don't

[02:04:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Let me try to get this

[02:04:04] [SPEAKER_04]: because

[02:04:07] [SPEAKER_04]: There are other quarterbacks

[02:04:11] [SPEAKER_04]: that have

[02:04:15] Surpassed

[02:04:17] [SPEAKER_02]: John Elway they have but the game has changed first of all like contextually the game has changed

[02:04:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not talking about yards

[02:04:25] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, but also but also but also a lot of those quarterbacks

[02:04:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Have better

[02:04:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Accessories and things like that like Joe Montana had Jerry Rice for half now now granted

[02:04:38] [SPEAKER_02]: He did win a Super Bowl without Jerry Rice before Jerry Rice showed up. So all due respect

[02:04:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, but he had Jerry Rice, you know for

[02:04:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh

[02:04:47] [SPEAKER_04]: My Joe Montana take is always

[02:04:52] [SPEAKER_04]: literally from the ownership booth

[02:04:55] [SPEAKER_04]: To the equipment guy their hall of famers in there

[02:04:59] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm saying like

[02:05:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I think their trainer is in the hall of fame

[02:05:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I think the uh, Justin Jefferson back the owners in the hall of fame the

[02:05:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Coaches in the hall of fame the GM's in the hall of fame the wire coaches in the hall of fame

[02:05:17] [SPEAKER_04]: The coach after that's in the hall of fame the quarterback

[02:05:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Pan is in the hall of fame the wire receivers in a hall of fame

[02:05:25] [SPEAKER_04]: To's in the hall of fame

[02:05:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Like grant he didn't play with uh

[02:05:30] [SPEAKER_04]: With Joe Montana, but it's like the entire organization is just littered with hall of favors

[02:05:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so so you know it's just one. Oh, you know what we so oh we so we so I didn't even finish looking. Oh man, we messed up

[02:05:46] [SPEAKER_02]: You know so just in case y'all were wondering

[02:05:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I have the 49ers over the seahawks

[02:05:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I

[02:05:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Thought we missed one. Yeah

[02:05:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and we just got the word that geno smith is questionable, you know, so but uh, but even if geno smith

[02:06:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Please still got it. Yeah, that was that because I figured I figured the one we agreed on I had to really bring it up

[02:06:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, this is what I was thinking. I was thinking about this. Um

[02:06:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Today was it no last night same thing. I was watching golf at the bar

[02:06:16] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[02:06:17] [SPEAKER_04]: It was I think it was a seniors tour like the seniors rider cup. That's what I felt like

[02:06:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's what it was. I put like I said, it was on mute

[02:06:25] [SPEAKER_04]: at the bar

[02:06:27] [SPEAKER_04]: right and

[02:06:30] [SPEAKER_04]: What I noticed about sports fans is that

[02:06:34] [SPEAKER_04]: We don't want

[02:06:38] [SPEAKER_04]: The spectacular

[02:06:40] [SPEAKER_04]: We want the really good

[02:06:46] [SPEAKER_04]: average career

[02:06:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Because I think as a fan as a regular person you can relate to that you can relate to phil mickelson

[02:06:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Only one in a few tournaments

[02:07:01] [SPEAKER_04]: You can't relate to tiger woods winning

[02:07:06] [SPEAKER_04]: 50 14 15 majors and just being dominant for so long you got to break it down

[02:07:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I wish I wish I could relate to

[02:07:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Somebody wanting me as bad as these teams want show. Hey, oh tani

[02:07:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he's gonna get 600 million dollars if he's healthy. He's gonna get 600 million dollars where it is. He visited toronto today, but

[02:07:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Allegedly the decision is made

[02:07:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So we will probably find out sometime tomorrow

[02:07:33] [SPEAKER_02]: 600 million dollars. I just saw I just had a mystical moment

[02:07:38] [SPEAKER_02]: You know as I was watching sports center

[02:07:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, they uh showed michael pennix

[02:07:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Winning the maxwell award

[02:07:47] [SPEAKER_02]: jaden daniel is winning the daviel brian

[02:07:50] [SPEAKER_04]: So the nation's best player

[02:07:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Is the maxwell?

[02:07:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and he's a quarterback

[02:07:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And then daviel brian is the quarterback specific award as the best quarterback

[02:08:01] [SPEAKER_04]: So the maxwell is the best player

[02:08:02] [SPEAKER_04]: And the daviel brian is the best quarterback

[02:08:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so the best

[02:08:09] [SPEAKER_04]: player

[02:08:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Position is a quarterback michael pennix. He won

[02:08:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And then the best quarterback

[02:08:17] [SPEAKER_04]: award went to

[02:08:19] [SPEAKER_04]: jade daniel's

[02:08:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Yep, and we'll find out tomorrow who wins the heisman cool

[02:08:23] [SPEAKER_02]: What it makes that makes it makes a lot of sense time to split the vote because it ain't gonna be bow nicks

[02:08:28] [SPEAKER_02]: You know time to split the vote, you know, so we'll see what happens

[02:08:31] [SPEAKER_02]: But on that note y'all

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[02:09:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Bowl game predictions like eastern michigan and whoever they play is a minikey carcare bowl

[02:09:16] [SPEAKER_02]: You know saying the dukes mayo bowl where the both of the coaches are going to try to lose so they don't get dunked in mayonnaise

[02:09:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I swear that happened last year like uh

[02:09:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Well every year that's the tradition is that like, you know, instead of the water the gatorade map

[02:09:30] [SPEAKER_02]: You get the mayo so so I swear last year it was marilin against north carolina state

[02:09:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And I swear they both were just doing like peculiar things like it'd be like third and 14

[02:09:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And you need like at least

[02:09:44] [SPEAKER_02]: You know 12 yards to get into field goal range and you call a tall sweep or something like that

[02:09:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Please like her I ain't getting no mayonnaise tonight. You know, it's the only mayonnaise is on my sandwich

[02:09:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It'll say I don't even want that

[02:09:58] [SPEAKER_02]: But yo we out enjoy your weekends. Peace